464: Default Aggressive. Combat Ready Leadership From Antonia. With Estonian Spec Ops Soldier, Remo Ojaste
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This is jaco podcast and for sixty four with echo Charles and me, joo willing, good evening. I even so we do an event at seven in front. It's called the ftc fuel training exercise, and it's simulated combat event.

In what we do is we take a bunch of people from very a wide variety of backgrounds from like the finance world, the energy world, does any type of business. We also will have usually some long enforcement, will have some military, but then it'll be sales people, in construction people, whatever. And we give them some like rudimental rudimentary tactical training.

And then we put them into missions, like I said, similarly combat, usually in urban combat. So there's houses and buildings that need to be cleared and people that need to be communicated with the hostages that need to be rescued. And the missions are chaotic.

We'll him out with some task. And then we've got role players. The role players are you know former seals or former marines are former army guys.

And so they'll be really good. They'll get hostel and there's smoke and there's gone fire under screaming in their yelling and confusion. And what watch this group and is the training is not for the tactics of the training, is for leadership.

It's to see how people respond in these chaotic c situations. And it's what these people get to experience. And what they get to experience is a massive amount pressure.

Their emotions are running high, they get like tunnel vision, they get a dangling over low, they panic, they yell and scream. And what we get to see, and what they get to see is like a comprehensive breakdown in other team. And they get to learn from that and each individual will feel that and everyone's going to struggle .

just .

about everyone. We will go to some kind of brain lock at some point, like where they just freeze up. Some people just go full meltdown at some point. And it's is hard. And there's been some, some, some of the initial runs that we do. Some of the initial iterations can be so chaotic and the people can perform so poorly that a few times i've been, I i'll catch myself wondering, is this too much like are we doing things that no human can actually handle? And sometimes of me thinking that, and what is that?

One of these events, one of these fuels ing exercises, the national else, what is the two gentlemen, these two guys, and they're just unphased and there's chaos and there's maham and there's people freezing out and yelling and screaming and not know what to do. And during the headlights home, my yards and these two dudes are just calm, cool and collected, but also engaged. They're making things happen there, not just to do, and they are signed jobs that they're picking up there.

They're taking security, their reading little teams. And i'd actually never seen anyone perform like this at one of our F T. xi. And here's these two guys, and I knew something was going on.

So I walk over the jp because jp, you know, he's running the whole F, T, X program, and they have BIOS on everyone. I was like, K, J, P, what's up of these frequent two guys over here that are like holding security cover, moving, make things happen. And he's he, he smiles.

He's like this, the estonian special Operations soldiers, and they deploy to afghanistan ones and after of the other ones. And guy, they actually follow the principles that we teach. And we talked him about IT looks at these guys like this should do.

And that right there was the beginning of a relationship that we now have with these two men and their company. Their company is called combat ready. And combat ready is a company in estonia, and they represent asia on front, and they partner with asia on front.

In europe, they teach the same principles that we teach, and they help leaders in every realm, in every different type of business, lead and win. And it's an honor to have one of those men. Rao, oh, yesterday, actually.

Raymon, oh yeah, here with us tonight to share his experiences and lessons learned. Rao, thanks for join us. Oh, yesterday I gotta write the second time.

Yeah.

almost here for real.

Rao.

so you have to roll the.

Rao, yeah, some some people just say anymore, I don't .

really care style points when they are. All right, let's let's talk about estonia or quick, give us the basic. The basics on estonia is located on the belt. You got, uh, what sweden to the west lot via to the south public is pretty small population here, one point three million, one point three million .

feeling to the north. Big bear to the e yeah.

And a big bear to the. So you you got russia as well, and you've had to contend with russia for your whole existence um to be flat place like what's the highest peak? Six, several hundred .

hundred and three hundred eighty meters is a hill.

a hill budget lakes and islands.

Yeah, we have over two thousand islands. Last vision have zero. So we.

Want people speak estonian, that's the language there. You've had a bunch of wars there, and you've been occupied and reoccupied multiple times. Uh, you fought the history war of independence against the soviets and and the baltic german forces.

He had teen or one thousand nine hundred eight and nine, nine hundred twenty in nineteen forty, there were soviet occupation. In one thousand nine forty one, two, one thousand hundred and forty four, there was german occupation. Some germans fought, are sorry, some estonians, many estonians fought for the germans against the soviets.

Of course, there were people that fought against both the nazis and the russians. In one thousand nine hundred and forty four, estonia was absorbed in the soviet union and then spent many years as part of the soviet union. And then one thousand nine hundred eighty eight, two thousand eight ninety one you aggressively had what's known as the singing .

revolution yeah people saying themselves free how that .

work well I mean.

IT was a good set up, I would say and then they just was a matter of people starting singing like there was a politic chain um from one side of asteria until lithuanian so many hundred kilometers, people were just holding hands and just showing that we want to be free and then there was a single square and people went and sank. So I would say it's like more over like a symbol when things started to go in the right direction.

But that was one of the times when we were able to start singing astorians songs, people went crazy. In that sense, we gather like a hundred thousand people. So and IT.

luckily at the time, I mean, the soviet union was phone apart. So was kind of really good timing and then showing that that the only people want to be free. And that's really interesting, that the songs were suppressed, these old songs were suppressed. And so then they came back and called the spirit, now you were born in the soviet, yeah in the soviet union, I guess, eight, nine in ninety, eighty nine. And so what was what your parents do?

So um they pretty much worked. Uh so mother was like like most of the time, like in soviet area, everyone had to go to some sort of skill school. My mother went, I think, learn some gardening, gardening.

So they were like from the countryside. My father, i've actually have no idea what he learned, but eventually he was a builder. So he did all of that stuff initially during the soviet times.

Have my parents did some illegal stuff as everyone in the nineties. So I remember that the we were selling vodka are like illegal of vodka. Uh, cigarettes, uh, guess so we were like living next to A A russian airfield, like there was a military base there.

And I, as you understand, like a that time everyone was cropped. So I don't know how my mother figured out or my father figured out that day we could actually get the gas with a good Price from the soldiers. Then I know that they hold IT in a like a small, like a small building, and then they sold get out of IT to people.

So like everyone was doing IT pretty much and we were able to kind of gather a lot of resources. Um but that was what everyone was doing. Everyone was stealing. Everyone was trying to get by. So everyone very much good got after IT.

And so so that was in the nineties.

I was after the of, okay.

so I was like freedom. And we were trying to figure out what to do with .

all this freedom. yeah. So because as I remember, so IT was more maybe in the middle of the night was eight in the when we got independent like everyone like just try to figure out what to do because now we have this freedom and there was a lot of opportunity that sense to do a different type of things.

And people just started doing whatever was in front of them, and they just made the thing up. And my my mother SHE also, like, like, I don't know he was a scammer in the best way. Like, h SHE had some like later friends. So you are sending like postcard.

H, yeah, we call that a pen pal.

Yeah, pen pelly, exactly. So SHE, for whatever reason, had a pen piles in germany. I don't know how that ever happened. But and then as they didn't have much money, uh because like we we did all of that the illegal stuff and get money.

But my father would like gambling, so he go went out and take like destroyed all the fortune, so to say so IT. And then eventually my mother like there was like, uh, whatever, like there was no money. So there was there was a lot of like this might know, piece of paper you go there and you get the race of.

So and he figured out that day i'm going to collect german Marks like german money. And SHE wrote to the bpl a pen. And hey, I I don't have this type of money in my collection and then those pen pals started send her money and obviously SHE didn't collect them so you just made those into money. And um that's how we get to bye during a hard time. So yeah you will have to innovate a lot.

So and then what about was any military history in your family that you knew about?

Yes, not in. Like I didn't like see anyone. There was like one uncle who who went to the military. And but my both grandfathers are great grandfathers, actually a day both stayed in the second world war.

One fault on the both sides like we were really proud that they killed soviet guys and we were proud that they killed that is so um nobody really knows what happened. It's just legends about them. But the fact is that they stayed there and all the grandparents, they live through the second war, they live through the deportation or yeah departing them, sending to siberia.

So they they were like super hard people, like like my grandfather, he eventually, like I think he lived, lived until like seventy, and he was like a farming or treating animals. And like when he was like seventy, he got the stroke during while, he was like farming. Then what he did is just SAT down for five minutes and then continue. And that was, they like attitudes of those studes, like just hard people doing hard things, living through a tough time. So so .

your uncle, so he must have been an in the soviet army.

Ah yes, there was uncle who went to show with army. He like, yeah, so how like every man had to, during every time every man had to serve, serve IT army in the two years in the in the army, or three years in the navy. And usually the people were sent very far away from their home.

And in the case of my uncle, so there was in in the, in the city where I live, there was like a restaurant, my father at the birthday, and as there was no possibility to think any astonia songs, because pretty much like you had local people, and some of them were on a common site, so they were like looking, okay, who is here? Who are like this system? And then they're rats.

yeah and that's the way that these communist system works, is that there's rats that amongst people exactly.

And then there was a birthday. Obviously they are like drinking. So they started drinking. And then at some point my uncle started singing estonian like songs and about freedom, about our land, about our sea and then just want you didn't like IT and then whoever the red was he said, uh I know where you will going, you will be going to afghanistan and that's that's where we we where he went what he specifically did there I have no idea um because every time when we had conversation with him he kind of talked like he was part of every every legend that there was out there he he was there he was the one who survived everyone else in the tone was like cut the throat were cut he was the one who survived and there was snipper shooting he survived again like he had all of those stories and once there was like a really funny thing, we went to my countryside with one of my friends who wasn't in the military and we were doing some stuff over there and then they went into the barn and obviously he liked what? Ka, so they started drinking there and I was just doing something else. And eventually I went back, what what the hell are they doing? I went title, they were crying like, okay, what's going on?

And then I friends .

s are now .

crying, but they were talking to .

uncle actually like, and there was trying, like, cool. Are you guys trying about like, what the fuck? And they're like, yeah, I was in the situation where everyone was killed.

I was survived. Then I saw dead babies. And like, there was like this tremendous stories, which you can see its total portrait, but this guy didn't understand.

So he believed IT. So he was a great tourist teller. And he was like, just talking all the legends.

And this guy was crying of, look, okay, let him enjoy IT. And next day I told them today, hey, all of what you heard this poor. So yeah, that was the connection with the military.

Yeah, that that is kind of crazy. And then you think about, I mean, it's a little fast forward, but your uncle, at least in some aspect, fought against the jihadist over in afghanistan who were at the time supported by america, absolutely. And then fast ford, how many years you were over there fighting against the jade's who are no longer supported by american and a manufact you are support.

you are fighting with the americans. So, so have couple, couple of guys actually vote te on the soviet time, and then they were still in eternity. And then now they fought on the other side.

So we have those two as well. And those are like, really tough guys, like the like. Everyone went to the army and IT was heart like because there was like a lot of beating up. There is a lot of figuring out how to survive. So all of the people who went through IT, they either broke or break and or they came out really tough.

So ah yeah the russian army is for lack of that what is just straight like tyrannical abuse of the soldiers um as you're grown up, I know you were telling me that you have like grandparents in the countryside and grandparents in the city. So you've got a little .

bit of both worlds yeah so yeah I had like awesome childhood that way that like on the countryside there was like nine children. So like if you go there, like there is no rules because there was grandparents. You the life the central as command as you say, like everyone has to get by by themselves.

So I went there. There are no rules. You can do whatever one you can go out taking. You can go wherever you go to other stupid things.

Now, when you go to city, you have to be at told by eight like morning, you had to wake up at certain time. So they like two opposite words. One was like super discipline, otherwise like total freedom. So I saw that. I got me there a lot and uh but IT was both good sides.

My grandfather who was on the city site, like he was the, he was the man like a he was really someone to look up to because he when he was reported to save area, then obviously like key, took ownership. But everything he didn't blame, like he went there. Ah IT sucks.

So what do we do now? We started building life here, so they started building houses, will take a leave. And eventually he started doing sports.

And then there was like, this story were like, at least based on what his friends, uh, like we're saying during on his funeral, let like we were walking in siberia and then we are just hearing someone cursing in asteria in a garage summer, like what the help that someone is cursing in astoria here and then they went there and there was one due towards fixing his bike and just going at the edit, really with curses. And this is what body doing here. Now i'm just taking my bike here.

I want to like, I am going to the competition. So like, okay, we we have actual club here. Maybe you can join here.

Okay, let's s do IT together. You are still ian. No problem. And eventually what happens that the he became the far cyberia champion in uh in bike riding like h he had full like box full of gold medals.

Then he when he returned to esta after there was a possibility to go home back home, uh at some point, like when a video time, and then he became skin champion of service ia then someone gave him a gun and then he was skiing and shooting. He became a champion of that. So whatever he did, he became a champion. And then eventually when he retired, uh, he were four years in the factory driving a fourth lift. And that's kind of like that bizarre world worked like people did the amazing things and then they game in and just do this one .

thing that's the standard, the kind of a hold over from the soviet, where that's your job, that's your life, is what you're .

going yeah absolutely. And they like they have lot of money, but there's nothing to do with money like is nothing you can you can buy. There's nothing to buy.

But do you have a lot of rubles? Like, awesome. What do we do with that? nothing.

And then for you going, so where are you live in when you are actually like the rest of the year? It's not summer time, you're just going to school you with your parents. What was where?

Yes, living in in the age of the city. And and like, we had a studio apartment, one room, one kitchen, like everyone was living in one room. So I only I didn't have any brother, sister.

So we made IT happen in that sense but dad was a tiny place um because government was giving apartments to people and that's what we got together. And then um so yeah from there on, like my parents kind of put me or my mother wanted me to learn english. So he he put me to a school where IT subtly was harder.

Like, I have always say that i'm not special at all, but apparently there were some tests and forever reason, I passed some of them. And then I got into the class where, like the language was the main thing, we have to learn english in the second rate, in the fourth rate. German, I don't know, uh, russian in the sixth. And then they like, like a high school, you get to get the friends or french. I knew any, none of those languages.

The only thing.

yeah.

only IT picks up what I understand .

some IT but if you don't practice IT you like close IT but yeah I can handle IT but that I couldn't have like real conversation like we we couldn't do this.

Not that what about about sports .

so yeah my I like sports. So my father, my my grandfather was a sportsman. My father was a sportsman like obviously he was also doing some sports and he was pretty successful on a like A C D level.

But uh, I guess he found drinking at some point and crime, uh, so that was his way out from the sports. Uh, so but he put me to play basketball. H soccer.

So I started always like with the team sports. And I really enjoyed IT because I know for the whatever reason, I always laughed when there was all of people and we can compete with each other. And when we do something together, we win.

So but the the, the the problem with that was always that every summer I was sent to the countryside, so there was no access to anything. So I kind of like missed every year, three months from the training. Uh, I still kind of a did okay, but still there was no consistency of that.

So ah I like the sports I did what's the cold? Like like running, running. Uh, not marathon's, but hundred meters, sixty meters.

Like, yeah all of those things we had to compete. So I was I was like doing that. I was all like always in the top five or whatever. Um so yeah that was what I did with sports. Eventually became like a Stephen champion in basketball call.

Yeah like thirteen.

fourteen. I mean like not no big. Then in soccer, we became forth, or something like that. So every team when I like, I was able to be, I was something in the middle of grey mass.

And and what about like educationally in school? Is there is there you know, in in the eighties and nineties in america, IT was like everyone who's pushing go to college, go to college, I guess they maybe still are our push. Like everyone has go to college, they shouldn't be. But at the time when I was grown up as like everyone need to go to college, everyone needs to go to college.

was there that push for you guys? Yeah, I was always pushed from my parents because they didn't go to university. So the man was like that.

The only way to, I don't know, smart, I guess. So whatever, even though that they were like getting after IT on an entrepreneur level during crime and other stuff. So that was the success. But I mean, yeah, IT was always like that the like.

So they just maintain like a low, low level crime where .

they avoided .

there was different, the mob, and they must have mob. Yeah, you have organized crime there.

So my my father definitely had something to deal with them, uh, because at some point, my father went on the work in russia. So they were like bringing over, I don't know, stuff that we don't have here. They were selling those things. I know that there was some things about truck, but those are like drunken story, so i'm not haven't confirmed they were like like they were doing all the things, whatever the things would.

Somehow they gave you the impression that that's not the .

best path to beyond. No, not really.

They didn't give you that a problem. No.

no is, hey, no one was in the next door neighbors.

They were also doing their scam and their deals. And we have been living at the time exactly.

That was the, that was the word that was like our trees, neural ship.

So so when you're going to school, are you trying hard? You trying to get .

in to college? That whole thing? No, no, no, no. So I mean, until like the night create my I was doing good, uh, because of my father, they like to drink and like to party them, was some message home all the time. Then I kind of like felt like, okay, i'm not to a drinking at all or whatever. So my first drink was in the night grade and when I tasted that next year, I never went .

back just like you decided after watching your dad drink too much, you like, i'm not drinking yeah until you are fourteen and then you're like, oh.

absolutely I was straight when to worka uh, people had to like track me to the toilet. I was the first experience. But I mean, we would like.

And then everything started. I started to learn what IT feels like, or whatever. And then I became cool. But my parents never figured IT out, because I always kept IT. I would like always sneaking in some way.

Or they they never figured out that .

you were drinking ability. I think my mother figured out that when I was like nineteen like you're drinking like yeah for ten years。 So yeah so and that that's kind of how to introduced me to that.

And then eventually, like yeah, I kind of ended up in in in places where I hanged around with older juice. So they were cool. They're drinking. And yeah, that's what I learned. I learned from their example.

And are you still going to school but you now you're hanging out and drinking and just kind of be in juvenile delink is what we .

would call that amErica yes so of drinking and then um like I still get to the uh high school. Uh so gyi um it's not the like a school where you can get a like profession because there is like two ways like you can get the profession. Um I don't know you learn to chef or you're kind of prepared to go to university.

So we got to be go to the school, which was like preparing to go to university. So zero skills teached. And during that time, I kind of we were so bored that the, we were started playing card, and we had this one game.

Well, as as as I like at the countryside, what did what did? What did people do at the soviet side? And they just pay cards. And then I kind of had the neck to IT, or I don't know, for whatever reason, again, IT kind of work out for me.

And then we started playing like, okay, who gets the most wins in this? In wins in this game gets, say, box of beer。 嗯嗯， so we played one like quarter, and I got like eighty winds. Second place had like thirty six, like, okay, okay, I have the beer.

So what game are you point?

Uh, it's good lessons. Point .

exactly.

Have no idea what is in english. I don't know if most likely there is like I maybe states or something like that I don't know, but it's it's a skill game like you can read cards um you can have a strategy. So if you play with the person who I understands the rules, you can not beat them like there is certain amount of understanding like how to beat other person.

But it's it's not like a lucky game. But eventually, like next quarter, we feel dark. Lets wait again, but everyone understand what the results will be.

So IT became boring. So then I I thought, okay, what could be the new game? And then I went out home and feel that hate to be poker.

And then I brought in papers with poker rules. And then we celebrating poker in, like tenth grade at school, which is like legit throw. And then we like had this like coins, which everyone brought. And then we start playing IT everywhere.

Then eventually we bought a cheap um uh case, then we kind of started putting in, okay, you put twenty five clues you can put like it's a life ten bx and we never take off. And then I figured the day, what if I cheat IT? Then I went into at that time, like you can remember, like the internet was like really slow.

So but there were a lot of access to like illegal stuff in like um yeah stuff that is not available. So they would like access that. Then you don't load a video of how to cheat in poker.

And IT took like a week to download, maybe I know ten make a bites or something. But eventually when I got IT and I started looking at IT, and I started playing around IT, I really, whatever reason, like IT. So I became pretty good at slight of hand and then I went to those spoker er nights.

And then I guess what I saw, you're winning. Nobody understood why I was winning, but there I was cheating. That was the reason.

But then eventually, like we end up those dudes to we went to a bar, and then we saw that that there were other dudes playing cards, and they were already like university high, like sixteen, seventeen. And then there was all the dudes who had done IT like, like twenty one plus. And these are playing.

And obviously I thought, okay, I would jump into that table and then we are plane. And then for the next four months, every day, I went to play pool, or at least that was I told to my parents. And in really that I was playing poker in the back room without some of the balls, continued doing cheating. I was successful in IT know we understood IT, but then I realize also that is a skill game and you can make money and eventually like uh, one thing let another eventually like cashed out like now in the next two years while I was in high school about fifty thousand years. And at that time I was very like an apartment.

So yeah, I made more money than my parents and everything like that just because I like card game and and eventually like, as my father had that gambling issue, I never wanted to raise that today i'm making money with poker because I thought that they would never believe me but eventually going to like I had never ask any pocket money and look okay. So most likely they were start thinking the time like selling drugs or something. I'm doing the business that they did so eventually like I showed them the evidence that takes monthly coming in in a like right way.

So there is no like and all the other guys are bank. They are university like educated, so they're smart, make sense. Go on. And then I just pretty moved out and uh but that that was pretty much what I did in the high school.

I just eventually, because I like making so much money, I went to school on tuesday and I pretty much start at my weekend on tuesday. And as the weekend went so long on sunday, I never get to school on monday. So I was pretty much my school.

I really didn't go there, but I still past all of my grades. IT didn't take much to you to get the like. Bees and C S.

So then what came after that going to college?

Yeah, because I was I was forced, like my my mothers today you have to have an education. So said, okay, so what do you want me to learn? Like this is okay. Let's go and learn economics or business finance leadership or something like that, like a finance management. So I get get in there.

And obviously what I did, I just played poker and and more poker and then was like sitting around like I had one like like school sister um from the school SHE was my like a neighbor and there was like bunch of other girls around me who were studying hard everything and I was like playing poker, getting my season bees without much of effort and they were like mad all the time because they get same. Great I I got but I just ran through IT and what kind of entity to me was that? I forgot to sign a paper which kind of gives your extension that you don't.

You can like postpone your conscription with andante military service after you've done your studies. So by that time, initially, as a Young, Young, I really like actually before I enter the boker, like actually liked military stuff for whatever reason. Now, as I got so much money as like for that minute, I don't anymore.

And but then I was like, okay, I had no choice. So I decided, okay, I will go and try IT after the first year because otherwise I will be harder to finish IT, uh, after I do a break after the second year. So as I forgot to sign the paper, I just had to go and .

everyone's on that everybody .

yeah solution. So they must .

have a pretty down to a pretty good system of bringing how long is, how long is, like the boot camp .

inductions and all that. So you can have two choices, like if if you up in a leadership position like a school leader or platoon leader, then it's eleven months, if you like, especially like machine gunner or a driver and actually if your machine and or just they shouted, then it's nine months so for whatever reason, uh again, I was sent to eleven uh which means that I want a course or either getting driver's license or becoming this quality leader. So so but the boot boot camp is pretty same. H it's like three months of south.

That's what is how much how much is leftover from the soviet military? Or did they weed that output?

IT was like in the beginning of two thousand. And but I two thousand or two thousand eight and nine so sorry, two thousand, nine and ten by that time there is nothing but the previous years like two thousand. And like guus IT was stupid, like they were like doing backflips and breaking um whatever, breaking wood with their hands, jumping out from the cars that are moving, breaking their legs, uh, screaming each other, beating each other. So that was the army initially .

so but so is that did that kind to start to disappear as the only started .

to work with the western is yes yeah so he is .

to be unique for, like the first americans or brits that showed up with these, where we get borderline russian dude that hit each other in the head with blocks and stuff like this.

Like like the transition was that the people who wear in so with the union or in in the army take kind of became only people who knew anything about army. So who do you take? So you put those guys in the army, but they come with the wrong mindset. And the that's a, that's a disaster.

So you had a bunch of money. Now you go on the army and it's a sock fast but for some reason you like .

IT yeah I mean, um actually I was also like overweight like I would like maybe like there is like a under the A V. baLance.

So this is voda and a good .

lifestyle ah eating pizza pizza .

and vod laying poker.

So that's not a great but at the same time I went to my training, I did some jud to um and stuff like that. But that really last at the only four year. And then I had to go to the army.

So in that I was the guy who you see in the movie, who is always left behind, like in the back. And then some people have to come and push you. That was my first month.

What do they do? Like, let's say, you you got a person that just doesn't want to be in the army and he doesn't care. He's a conscript, doesn't want to serve his one, two years, much less one year, doesn't want to be there for one month. So he's just gonna not try.

What do they do with that guy? They would just make them do IT pretty much. They like there are ways, ways out.

I mean, they will figure out the fake injury like kind of stuff, but in reality, like they have no choice. They just go through IT. They just have to suck IT up pretty much and there .

so then what your first job wants you get done with your training and what you say your training was to be a squad .

leader yeah initially just put cup. There's no profession. You just go through the basics. You get to learn how to shoot.

Maybe you should at that time, you should like, I don't know, friday shots in three months, so you get to know on how the shot for sure. So then you do those like long hikes. So you just basic soldiers skills, that's what IT is all about.

But during that time you get to the regime, you start waking up barely, you go bad early. So you get eight hours later every day. But that is like night.

This is so it's like a maham. And so by the end of the three months, I lost all my weight and I was in cheap. So now was on top of IT.

I was on top five. And I started to enjoy IT for whatever reason, because, like you'd do certain things, and things started to happen. So what kind of make sense? And then all of my previous memory, from the childhood when I was going to the forest playing america's army, I was like.

what's america's army? Uh.

america's army had the game. I guess it's for recruiting purposes. And that was just like shooting game.

like all of video cos confirm no idea.

but he was made .

by the american .

government.

And and you recruit year as.

yeah so I played two thousand hours of that yeah. And then I switched that to playing poker.

嗯， okay.

because I I already had a good attitude, discipline, playing or sitting behind the computer but yeah then pretty much uh I kind of forever reason like that remind that what I felt when I was Young and I was like, okay, fuck that the university staff this is for me now and then the same due that we um that we establish cover today with he was already officer.

He was a company like tip, like two I see in the company and he was like legit guy, tall, strong and he apparently had just passed this selection to the special forces but as he was such a new thing, like nobody wanted to um let go of the good guys okay yeah so they like try to like hold the people down. They not let let them go but he I know going to give a give a brief the day there is this unit, cool american pictures, people with night vision, the day these are the best of the best um we are, they will pay you a lot of money. That was a lie of and just the recruitment stuff.

And then I went to his office and a clear I want to try, even though I kind of never thought that I would pass, but I was still like, I had a huge 机构 that at least told me the day I will try。 So yeah, that was kind of like setting me like go on a way where OK, if I get there, I may be even want to be part of the army. So that's where I understood that I like IT.

Then I was eventually sent to the S O. So the first three months is basic soldiers skills. Then the next two months it's squad, little training. And that's like an extensive really good training.

And I was fortunate because at that time we were already been in afghanistan for I know four, five years and we like we have a scouts spatting, which is like one of the only um like batteries that actually is deploy like professional. My, and so as I wasn't an engineering patent, they were like two dudes who came back from afghanistan, and they were put to be the leaders of the n co. Are the a junior s so they came in and they started teaching a street shit. So the level of training, what we got was like super rie .

level and the N. C. O. solution.

So they were like signage, the two, two, two patterns full of, but like in sales. And and they were as like the commanders or responsible for each fortune. And they were like religious.

They knew what they were saying because and at the same time, two guys just got held in afghanistan, obviously be with their their friends. And now we obviously got all the good stuff from those guys because they were met about the situation. And when we did stupid things, they remind us this is for real. And that that kind of provided me the foundation for everything. And that was really, really high level, good training.

And that was regular army. Yeah N C.

of course, construction.

And then so let's talk about the the the soft estonian soft. There was like they originally try to form a soft element years ago under the military intelligence ata. And I didn't work out in nineteen nineteen ninety nine, they created another sock force, apparently a member of the of the new special Operations group attempted an armed armed robbery with his sag weapons. And they just spend the whole unit yes.

So yeah, that was like we have like a national guards of our defenses overall, built in two ways. So we have the reserve, my and then we have like volunteer army. And the the defense league is like national guard.

And the the first try on that was they put together people what they did pretty much. They just did cool stuff. So and whatever reason they got out of hand, they thought that they are awesome. Like as as a as you remember, everyone was doing crime.

They thought that they will go and steal money from a dude like to do IT was like, they said that there either, I don't know which way IT was, but they like, they wanted to sell the tractor. And then the dude were supposed to come there with, I know, fifty thousand, and they thought that they will ambush them ment like, take the money. But at that time, those do is play with guns as well, because they know that the like doesn't make any sense.

We moving, and then one guy got shot. So they were not really special in that sense. So they they lost than all of that was dismantled two thousand.

Two, they make another attempt to form another spec ops unit. I guess that was. And then by two thousand and five, they had like a human element, which is human intelligence.

They went to afghanistan in two thousand and five. Their mission ended up in two thousand and seven and two thousand eight special Operations task group is formed and this is where they start getting trained by U. S.

Special Operations forces uh by the guides over in a soccer special Operations command europe. And then by two thousand and ten, the you guys in estonia are actually running your own selection course. And is that when you went through?

Yeah so I went through IT into thousand ten.

And what where you're instance was your course in esta? yes. And where you're instructors estonia instructors yeah.

Was there any other? Who is there? americans? Was there brits? Was there any? So it's it's .

just like a selection like just two weeks in hell. Okay, that kind of think.

okay. So you get done with that and then what comes after that.

So then like first of all, you get through IT, you pass IT. So we had like sixteen guys starting uh three of us best so it's usually was wrong .

with the other three, fourteen and those whatever .

they just want you to quit. But it's like the groups of people are really small .

like with sixteen nudes and three .

past yeah well well you you get incremental attention yeah .

yeah weather .

um I know seven eight like two .

instructions or where due at the .

end so yeah the the there was one.

How do they torture you?

Same way as here .

have cold water for you. So a lot of lakes, every thousand lakes.

everything like you, with everything like goods, all all kind of torture that you you get um no sleep like yeah there are pinch of interesting ideas, what they have, what we run eventually I was able to run those things myself. But yeah so we have like this, like when you fall a sleep um and you get caught, then there's like this small toy um from russian area, like when you screw IT up IT started in talk talk talk talk talk talk to and then IT throws down and stops now for each time you close your eyes, you get one hour you sit in behind the table and you have to turn IT on and you will let .

you go and IT goes .

for like ten seconds the day again and there is a camera in front of you was like watching video so you do that so when people get ten hours of that so while other people are sleeping you go there and you do do do do that talk talk turning its a small duck so when then there we have like this dude called toy va who is just a like manian like if you get two metres further from your battle body, you get that you on your back everywhere so that like some fun things. What we do with people uh but it's pretty much like uh degree spray um selection is just we don't tell much people in terms of the participants. I think the lowest one was eight people came to the selection and one instance there were twenty one starting, only one past.

He was a hard man.

yeah. So the treating rate is really high. Uh but they used to get who get through are prety .

good um and then what's so what do you do after that?

So after that is like q courses.

like the is where you I just .

like the preparation course. Then we were sent to ungry hungry. Um yeah we did three months there, just basic stuff. I mean it's suck really.

And the main reason why is sucked because sadly, too was really bad quality because like our conscriptions, especially mine, was like really good. And the deals that we went there, like most of them were like already some of them had to already deployed. They had gone through real invention, basic training.

They were winning afghanistan. They knew how to do things. Now you end up in a place where they are going to do you another basic soldiers skills. And sadly, they didn't speak really good english. So and their teaching methods wasn't really up to speed.

So IT was just four hours of sleep for two months and that if you low rise like this morning and the surface starting again, and all of this is not like it's just it's not physically hard, but it's IT just mentally so hard because you're looking at just just doing stupid things for so long. We did that part. So I made us, like strong in your head, at least. So we did that.

And then super node.

So we did that part of that suck to relief. And eventually, like there were some some issue with americans and the hang arians, I know whatever that was uh, some sort of dispute because there should be now next step phases, M O S. So learning your whatever and then eventually should happen like a team trading.

But the americans didn't show up the reason and then our command decided that this is not like logical anymore, because this will continue the same way as IT has been. And then we were sent back. Unfortunate for us.

And you like S. T. So small untactful camp started because now we, there was, but no, nowhere to send us.

Because our main idea behind the robot, all situation, was that we need to get, need to qualified, and we need to go in native course to get the paper. So all of what we did for papers, so we need to. Then eventually there was no people to come in estonian to train us.

So what do we do? We do. We sent to school. So then they sent us to the senior rentier school. But before we had like three months of free time.

And what you do, you will take those due to the forest. And you just do tactics and cover, move all that kind of stuff. So pretty much half a year straight we did only the sock fest stuff.

Then you go to the N C. O. school. And guess what? That starts with same, same stuff again. So there was a one year of like nine months of training and you get good that's that's a good part about IT .

and that was all while you are basically waiting to go to some kind of nato qualified .

yeah q course of some kind yeah .

and so where do you end up doing that?

So eventually, like that took like the about nine months, I think, in toddle so study in two thousand and ten coming back march from angry than in August going to the school. So I think five months in that goal. Then there's a moist.

Then I started learning again engineering. So I got the new M. S. And then eventually you have, you can do the practice parts in your own battle on. And then we were set back.

And then by that time we had, like, old school american, as of guys who were like, like, body builder, two meters tall, like, like, super awesome dude. And they kind of stated to do as the same stuff again, because then we started, again, another S U T, another M O S training, another team build up. So that's what we started again doing. But in that time, like we were the only team. So again, raised you guys .

or something, said something .

like that, let's put IT like that. That's like a small number. And then what what what happened is that, like each M O S, like me, another guy, we got one instructor, and that instructor was, uh, I remember chap was his name, and, uh, he had twenty five years of stop. He was from ranger battle. An, he had been in every conflict from whatever time until today.

from world war two.

Yeah.

pretty much is the hard Green berry dude.

absolutely. And then they started teaching how to do explosives, how to do stuff. And then eventually we had the team training, and then we supposedly was ready to kind of get qualified. And then we had qualifications. Then we went together a team, and then we quite supposed to be ready to go deployed.

And your qualification ended up an engineer. You and what did the other guys get?

Normal the same same thing that we get like like eighteen provo, like eighteen charly, eighteen echoes and all all the time of stuff. So yeah, pretty much same. Like you get different radio men machine on the tactics.

same stuff. So now you show up, are you guys are is is estonian soft already deployed to afghanistan when you .

show up there? So yeah, so pretty much when when we got back, I think the first unit went in two thousand twelve, so marketing again. And he was the first in afghanis.

An um he was sent there to pretty much set up and figure out to where we could be sent. So he had a half a year deployment to let okay go to afghani istan and figure out where we can go. And he went there, and then he started pulling shrink, started to building relationships. And eventually we had the province where we could actually go together with the ten group, I think. And then the first team monitored.

And then when did you end up going?

So I ended up going in two thousand fourteen so we would like changing them out. And yeah IT was like a log mon province pretty much similar situation like um there was not a lot of freedom monument uh whatever freedom to menu yeah yeah exactly so and the which was in the like in the mountains, IT was just one valley to why we were somewhere in the middle. And the local guys obviously wasn't able to accomplish much.

But the first team then they didn't start doing any D A. They didn't any fancy stuff. They just did what was needed, what they said the day we need to push the bubble to create possibility to start moving, they started, they utilizing the local A, N, A, and started putting checkpoints cki.

And then they started trading the local special forces. And actually in that province, the the people that we were able to utilize were pretty good. Like, like it's hard to tell that you usually like you say, it's pretty good, it's not good, but they were pretty good and they had their E O, D teams and they were like successful ate in terms of finding you.

Like I D was ninety seven percent. So like when we went out that IT was pretty good. That's a very obviously every day or plan on once a week, someone brew up still.

But I don't know for what the reason there could. Half of the times they just blew up because they did something stupid rather than dry one a. So they were able to actually establish a really good, uh, system.

They were able to pass the bubble. And now there was a freedom of freedom to move when we got there. We pretty much now had the ability to go start getting goal of the dirt acks.

So we had one due to name of child. And yeah, so we started to kind of an established with locals like the local unit. Initially, we we kind of started training together to learn each other so that we don't shoot each other.

So and then we when you go to the first Operation, maybe one one thing, maybe one and half months, like here is the back, put all of your cellphones here, you take all of the cell phones, and then you tell them where we're going, and then you go out in the night and in a random belly. We do SHE oks. And they will start killing the pad guys pretty much.

It's interesting you guys where you were training for like, four years of legit infinity and special Operations training, you must have been very gratified when you finally got on a try and fill out, go kill bad guys.

And I was interesting, like I was the guy sitting on the h and then flying in in the total darkness, we have left two APP atchity covering cross to seok. We are going in both of them, like, and fifty people. And then i'm sitting on the back.

We are starting to get closer. And then I just watch out from there and the sea like tracers flying like, okay, now i'm going stand. I am then i'm when we learned, like I didn't take any of my what is that? They like the gog's that you hide.

I went there. All of my eyes were full of sand. So and then I hear like the patches are singing already. They are sending some health fires to .

the mountains or whatever, like a bunches of afghans. Ah we was then how many .

you guys IT was? Like, think IT was seven estonians and five americans and then about, I don't know, eighty locals nights in the middle over. And IT was funny. Like we initially were supposed to get the like the special forces helicopter guys.

they they are, yes.

obviously was a higher per this somewhere. So we didn't get that. And then eventually we got the regular, I guess, army guys, and they put us one click away in the middle valley.

And then what we had to start doing, keep getting closer to the target area, wherever they sure I was. And that was fun because we there was like, the mountain was on that side, and there was like this rich lines, or like, yeah, this rich is coming down. So we went over the first one and I was like, okay, that's fucking sucks. And you look at the locals like they they have their dress on.

They're just feeling.

yeah, whatever you get on the bottom m of that. And you look at the next one reduction shit, you go up there, you go down and you will like next one. Then you are on top of the first one.

So this is your first APP and you've you're down three.

Yeah, yeah. exactly. And then then by the time I was was on on the, on the on, down on the first one, my legs were so full of blood that they just didn't like, no, no steps up.

So what we did is that we did the chain and we just pulled each other up because that's how fucking back the legs were. Obviously, we had all the six plates in IT. All the ammonium wasn't me.

I had like five kilograms of explosives, but I had everything. Only thing what they didn't have was water. Uh, so we get on top of the fourth one and like, okay, we can't go further anymore because we are all that like .

everyone .

yeah everyone's dressed. And then like, uh, one of as was the last guy of estonia to like other studies are already down there. Go to link up with them.

I say, okay, let's go. Like I just go down random place down the hill and then I link up in a random corner and say, okay, other stones here, at least very good. Now we start moving.

So our idea was like, there was like maham going on. And then we had to go and confirm if we get the chowder writ. We had a dude with a like a mask gone. We didn't know who he was and he was supposed to beat the guy who was actually confirmed the dude. And then we had, like, I don't know, maybe half of the afghans with us and then afghan at some points the day we don't want to go first, many more our our our zu who was for our sou like team sugen. He was .

a del .

yeah. He was in charge of the like, the like the lead element like the officers to stayed on on top and now we were all all and say, was just going in there just to confirm and then other guy said, okay, so we go first then because we need to move, we we are not going to stay here because I guess the afghan sta didn't like to use the night region or whatever whatever the region was, they didn't want to go first.

So the first kind of street or first kind of world is like just two, like fifty eight walls, no doors, no nothing, just a corridor. Like, yeah, that's a great place to go from so yeah, we just do a lip of fate started going, nothing happened, then went more on and on and on, eventually gets to a place where they allege IT bodies were because like, I think the APP atch is they already like that. You like eleven and we just went there to pretty confirm.

So I was put in one position um to pull color, then people pass to the right and then our dues, they found the body and know how do you get the picture? You will take out your camera and taking a picture. Now what happens? There is a flash.

Now, as the flash, the flash goes off, there is like a machine gun fire coming from a random direction. And if so, then the maybe started. Like bullets are flying over my head.

I have no fucking clue what's happening. Like first time in a contact, like okay, that's that's interesting. That's an interesting feeling.

So now I heard like that they say that they're in contacts contact now there's like shots fired, but then the officers or the H Q who stayed on top of the mountain, they don't understand or they don't hear anything. So I like, okay, so should I be? Should I become a really now, or what should I do?

So I just say contact, contact, contact into my rock radio as well. So now they got IT. Then the next thing in five minutes, is that, okay?

Now we have one wounded in action. So I want wounded. So now I have that information to rely. I will continue that. Now they are in panic on the hedge q there because it's for first really up.

And then, uh, then next thing is like, okay, a paci, we have only like six seven minutes left at a time. So I think you would like to start shooting someone. But as the only ones who have the blinkers are the ions and one american, then we didn't know where to shoot because there a lot of afan.

And where they are, we have no idea. So then I started like having a conversation through radio with those student to figure out they, are they in line and are they in right place? Now, at the same time, I had this amazing equipment.

So we had this notification goggles were in in front. You can put the terminal site, but if the terminal science battery goes out, black is black, nothing. So so at the same time, all of that is going on.

And i'm like doing my job and figuring out then obviously black then is like, oh, this is getting only Better than I kind of whatever I ask again next to me to take over in terms of this position. I change my battery. I coordinate that.

Yes, all of the dudes around from the way I real ted information. And then on top of me, I patches started singing towards whatever compound. After that, everything was silent.

And now our team are not understanding. That day we just clip over four mountains. We have been now, I don't know, two clicks into the city in a random place where we have no idea where we are, surface Operation.

And then he decides the day, okay, that's just fall back. Uh, so pretty my uga wonder. That was one of the turbo. These like fingers were shot off for something. And then we just started .

going back to get joe dirt.

No, I should have nothing, nothing. And then we started going back and due to products there, he came to me. He was just there in the like, I have no idea where the fuck are.

Can you lead us back to the beginning? I said, um I saw how fucked up he was. I said, yes, no problem.

I had no idea where we are, just started going in one direction and figuring out today. So I started to be appointment. So I point you us back to the till we venture somehow got to the place where we came from. We climbed up to the mountain and then we like.

So yeah, I wonder, do we now have to climb back over all of those mountains and then get, uh, the helicopter to break us up like we would rather stay here and full fight for whatever amount of days because we are not capable of doing that. And obviously, then magic happened like till he looks came, they were hovering and we were running into the chaos. And then we got back.

And I guess we had like free people captured and know who they were. I have no idea what we did because I was my first time, I had no fucking understanding what's going on. But all of those things happened and which was like, really fun. Like when i've like talked about those experiences that like all the all the laws of comment were just utilized on the first Operation. And why I was able to do all of those things because of our training, like that nine months of, like a training paid off, because, like, I was all cover more, but was skeeters ing things simple understanding what the hell do become a radio man, which I have never been, relying information like understanding where we have to navigate back, prioritizing, execute the central command, like all of those things, sharing bottles of water, like everything. And yeah, that was the first thing was he was interesting.

How was the debrief on the Operation?

So debrief was pretty fine. And if you feel like.

did you feel like a we got some shit to fix?

No.

I did. You feel like you did a decent job?

Did we did IT like a decent job in general? Like because when we get there, like we were high fives, like we got home yeah we we when we got to the base like base yeah we got to back to base is I I can't even remember deeply like I can't remember yeah I guess I was I know rushing there, but I know first thing what I did is like I opened up my coke puddle and Frank, that and we were sitting with three judge, and then the team decision came in.

What the fuck are you doing here? Why is your gare off? Hey, maybe we have to go out now. So Better go and get prepared. So he just pretty much vanished.

Our dreams of relaxing here we will like a laying back, starting to like the brief how we went and like, but he came in and he was like a hard thing, like he was a true team size from ranger school. Yes, that kind of videos. So so yeah, head teaches me and he he made me a human. Let's really like that.

So so that was your first stop that you went on. And then what was your option to like after that first stop?

Now IT wasn't IT wasn't really like, hi, I mean, because mainly what we wanted to achieve, we wanted to achieve like our intent to us to make they are safer and pretty much all of our i'd like help the locals start doing stuff, push them out, don't go and break doors before them. So that was the kind of idea.

So I think we did overall, like, I don't know, six, seven like huge Operations and some of them were like, we go out with thousand people. Nobody wants to mess video, like nobody. So there wasn't not know, like extensive firefight.

Thousand people being like locals, like almost all locals, like eight hundred locals and nine .

hundred locals. Yeah.

exactly. Were you involved in the training of those locals, these guys and ready for Operations and exactly.

And the relationships and pretty much help them with whatever they needed. So as we had like we our guys were able to speak question like we were. We have the common enemy because they had for taking.

So its IT was much deep, like it's much easier to like bond if you have a common history. So and our guys were like able to speak question with them. Our command is like things are good. So and as the previous like unit, they did a really great job of building everything up. IT was like pretty easy for us.

And you're saying that the your forces, your afghan forces were .

actually pretty squared away. Yeah I mean, the special forces or the police, the P, R C, or whatever they were called, but the A, N, A, they were like random. Like every time you like our camp cut, attacked here should every direction. So, so they were still like.

everyone did you. So did you live on a camp with them?

So where we lived in a camp where we had a pretty village of having A, I think, like we had a patent of americans who were pulling security for us, and we were in the middle in hour, small, small camper, we were able to do whatever we want to pretty much. So we were privileged. We didn't have to pull any security. We didn't have to do much. We just only think what we have to do is figure out how to make this .

area of saver and how how much did you feel the vision open up as you started doing more Operations and now you're more aware of what's happening and maybe paying attention like, oh, let's make sure that the helicopter puts us down on the right spot, which is always a big one, is a crazy thing. I could.

So if you I are going to get dropped off by helicopter, like thirty seconds in a helicopter means we have to walk in extra six hours like it's that it's that crazy and so you you can be looking at your map for reference like there's that ridge line cool to put my map away as always there. And two minutes later you off, like so far off. And that's why we always would have, if we could, he also would drop us off and then they would maintain on station, like somewhere in the vicinity.

So if we were five kilometres away or something, we come back and say, hey, wrong sort, but in afghanistan is different. And because if you call back in now, you just made a huge signature. So sometimes like are you just going have to deal what you got?

So from there on, I mean, we kind of went in in the night, then we did some like twenty four our Operations where we go in the night. We kind of like, I don't know, two, three, sixty to the village, which is like huge village like this was funny that we were preparing for colour in esta like and when we train IT, there's like one building in the middle.

We gathered the rounds, we and we go there like, yeah, it's a city who who are we going to call 我 you？ So we really had we prepared for wrong things. So but eventually, like, like, eventually, like some of the Operations were like, I got to sign seven locals and IT was me.

And those were fun, fun once. What's Operation? IT was like, you have to, you have to pull security on the outside with with those student, and you have to be real, because other videos will.

Now, locals, we go in there week again, again, uh, following a childer, or however we want to capture. So we try to pull security. Now, we put together in one place. Then you navigate to a random number area.

You set up an O P or covering position, and then you stay there pretty much and wait for others to do their Operations in the middle where so but those who are the first ones like like h you go there. You have zero ways of communicating with those students, just hand in hand signals. And but and then in the first five minutes, when you're there, like we go in dark, we have no idea where the heck I am and all the other guys are going away.

So everyone is separate now, me with the seven dudes. And like, okay, I have no idea where we are, but I know that soon in one hour there will be little bit of light, so I will covering position. And then we just say there then on the first, as the first light comes up, three of those student just go away randomly.

They leave.

They just leave. They go into the city like, that's awesome. Now they come back in like forty five minutes. They come back with some food. So then we talk or eat.

I don't want to eat stuff because I know that then I have zero platter control and then in in, in the worst place. So you can't put your eyes close. You can't close your eyes.

You're just there are looking for enemy at same time, my peaches are coming. There is some action going on. So those kind of Operation started to happen. And eventually, as our likely build up for that was like, I think three months, we were not able to be at home. So and we didn't have next team to be prepared to like switch us out.

So initially, we had to be like eight months and I think only like six months, like we've lucky you can you can come home because we have nobody to send you. Uh, so we started pulling out from there because pretty much our overall intent was to show case and get the qualification that, hey, we have work together with americans. We have to like guys going there.

We are not good in terms of books. We have done something. Now it's good.

Nobody got killed. Nobody got injured. Let's get the fuck out of there and let's concentrate on the staff. What we have to do at home now, because now we have because done our job in terms of that now the next tude who came out or like in the in the in the very last moment when we tell was like this one or some Operation that .

was planned for .

you guys while you yeah so I didn't get the Green light. IT was too crazy. Like there was like a taliban.

like training center. Nice, obviously.

Like numbers are always wild, but like a hundred taliban or whatever. And we will go over there in the long night and let's start doing things right. But that never got Green light from the higher so we got the other unit came in from slovak, I think um and then I met like ten years later, the partners in esta in random bar just walking in the water and think, hey, I know you.

We were here in afghanistan together like they were to provide the estonian and then like, okay, how did your deployment go after that? And um they they were like two slaves again got killed. So most likely they went and did that kind of thought stuff. So they were like low Operations, but a lot of, as you know, like unlucky and crazy and wild ideas because if you don't get the moment to mean like if you're doing one Operation in a month, if you're doing one Operation in two weeks, you don't get this muscle memory .

yeah repetition. And basically, it's nice to be able to do yes, we're gone. I remember when I was my first employment at to iraq and I was in bad dad and my my boss, my commenting officers.

Okay, how much time do you need to be able to launch on a mission? And I was like, fifteen minutes he was kind like, no seriously like and I got no seriously if you give me a target location and you give me the frequency of the conventional forces that don't, that battles place and location of where there camp that I said fifteen minutes, we can be wheels up. And we actually launch a couple times on very short notice, like fifteen, twenty minutes couple times. One time we did that, guys were like, in, not in uniforms. And I was kind of a jacked up.

I was like, hebrew you couldn't put on a uniform in one minute like you yet fifteen minutes to go but I look up like we're roll out and I look at the turn on ahead of me and he's wearing like just random american clothing just yeah like literally genes because know he was just sitting around watching a movie and tanto something so wearing like old shirts or shirts and A T shirt or something and this know and it's my fall obviously because I didn't say, hey, here's the standard when we when we roll, get your freak on uniform on so I was, no, I had to tight up but yeah, we would we could roll out pretty quick. And but the thing is, the reason we could roll out quick as we were doing raps, like we were doing so many, so many hits that IT was just like everyone knew their job, everyone knew what to do and we could do is we could do in a whole Operation only with standard Operating procedures, with no brief what's ever like breach. Team one, you got IT, you'll figure that out as all team, you know what to do. Actual security, you're good and vehicles, you'll get square away when you .

check out the train. If if you wanted to get that part, should one like like if you go to scouts by alien, they were like ten years in pretty machine in hell month. They like they had constant firefights every day, all the day, like like in six months, I don't know, three hundred four unit like contacts.

Um there was one like a estonian company number eight, which was the bloodiest one like they take at a really there was a one squad like kind of twelve people and uh there was only one person who hasn't cut injured. They lost few people and they got like he's really harder. But for us, everyone was nothing like Operational.

Temple was this was like perfect first mission. That's what IT was, perfect first deployment. Yeah.

I actually feel that way about my first supplement. Two, because IT was like the enemy. Wasn't that settled in yet? I S were kind of just starting.

Um the the ambushes were honest. Sy, like not that good. This is two thousand three, two thousand four. So and we were we kind of had the upper hand when we roll out.

And then by the time two thousand six world around IT was like, okay, I you know had more awareness of what was going on. yes. And and we like, you know it's funny to talk about heroes like do hello ops.

I never did never I never to follow up in combat because we just took vehicles everywhere and and even like in romantic heroes won't even they wouldn't you couldn't do missions. You couldn't do a mission in remote with the hello. If you had a wounder guy, you couldn't get him out on a hello, you had to get him back to base, on to a secure part of the base, and then a halo could come.

But there was no, like going out on an Operation in a hero for us, and we did IT zero times. So the um which is you know of of interesting because what what's interesting about IT is when I was a kid in the teams, we would do training missions and they would call, we would use vehicles. We would use like big six, five trucks, you know, like big five, ten trucks, and they would call them in the brief, they would call them a halo truck, as if to say, hey, this was real.

This would be a helicopter. And so my whole career I was like, of course, you know, if war happens, we'll have all these helicopters. And then, as IT turns out, the way the war went in, in iraq anyways, I know is different in afghanistan, in iraq.

And look, there was definitely people that use telecoms in iraq. I wasn't one like we just we had our own vehicles. We were gonna to the target.

We able to do fast in bedad. He was just, we we use heels one time in back, dad, but I was, we had capture a high value target, and they they took him. So they like medals and talking, which was kind of cool.

But other than that, didn't do IT and then in remote couldn't like there's no heroes in the city. Even the even the approaches which are like flying tanks, they would barely roll in the romantic because I was like just massive when they did roll in IT was scary. You d just hear frequent the whole city lighting up, like try to shoot them down. So the hallow truck thing, we actually did a bunch. I mean, we had did so many Operations in five ten trucks, you got a crazy.

We have a gun gun on one of the truck. IT was like, like usual, like the same thing. What happened with the dudes who later went to africa? They got like british trucks, which looked like that you don't want to mess with IT. And like, like all the people who got ambush was like in front of the the french because they had, uh like like weak looking vehicles. So and like h they don't want the vikings to come here because if wakings content IT sucks.

Yeah so yeah we have that too. Like a on that first. Actually we didn't have armored vehicles.

Our home, these were just humvees, like with cough doors. So we took the closed doors completely off. We turned to the seats so that the seats were facing out.

And then the guy sitting in the heavy, obviously, driver was driving, but everyone else was facing out with their weapon out. And then in the back we had heavy weapons, including these articulating arms. And so this, these things looked like we called them pocket pines, because I was, obviously, we had the turk gun.

And so they just look like, if you mess with this, and there be, whatever, four, five, six hum bees that were all just look like porcupines and IT was a very good determinant. We got to ambush a few times, but IT was we? We drove a lot. And to have had that little amount of only get ambushed a few times and have been on the road .

for .

countless hours, you know, hundreds of missions like that's pretty good, that kind told me like the enemies is looking at us gone and let's wait for the next one void to roll by. And that seems like a good idea. They don't like same thing. They don't want the vikings.

Yeah they don't want, they don't want to get in gun starting to shoot. That would be bad one. And there was like was random times like where we're just driving back from somewhere once of the once was like like the over the checked input that was established.

They also did their test fires towards our vehicles. Uh, once there was like a american dude was on the on behind the fifty call and they were like this one, like the hinge was up and obviously the bullets were in there. So they like the random places where people could get killed, but nothing really like happened. So we were lucky, that sense. But the next team.

they were not so lucky. Yeah, estonians, I mean, they deployed to iraq since two thousand, three in afghanistan, I think also in two thousand, three, like constant yeah on the ground presence for our in estonia yeah and suffered some pretty significant casualties like in afghanistan I think is nine killed in, ninety wounded in and then in iraq, eighteen wounded and two killed. So for considering how smaller population yeah .

we were second sadly mean comparison .

of population yeah in .

terms of lost, I think the first one was dance. They were also wild people. So yeah um but that that was the Price so that we had to pay to get advancement in our army because that changed everything.

Equipment got Better, the knowledge got Better. We now know what to teach to our conscripts. Otherwise, before that, I mean, we were breaking.

right, know.

bricks with your break, with your hands. So that kind of changed.

How was IT when you got home from this stayed?

So first thing, what we did, we went to drink, obviously. Um so there were some like the first thing like that was hard to kind of get back to the Normal life. I mean, there was like a lot of stress.

Like every we we had more problems when we didn't go out because if you stayed, our team agency like to find us jobs to do. So we had a lot of meanings. We had lot of stuff.

So we had internal, I would say, stress rather than outside stress. Uh, when we got back like a, the brain was little bit stressed out. Uh, you couldn't like you read read the newspaper.

The biggest news is someone got the huge s and that's the biggest problem. So he couldn't comprehend what what this world is here. But that went on pretty fast because we didn't get much time to rest. We just went to started to doing chasez going, uh, doing some h training with sees, going to georgia, uh, going to state so we went on the roof and yeah and are you thinking that this is going .

to be your career? Are you thinking you're going to do how many years you have to do retire there?

Um so in reality, like uh I had like five year contract, but you can get out from the contract whether you want. Yeah so there is no rules there. Like some some people like saying that we have to change the rules because people can get out pretty much whenever they want.

So yeah, pretty much is not system like in over here. So you have to like you have to do the conscription, which one here? And then first I got like this trial time for one year. And then you get the uh you get the security like top security clearance for three years and pretty much IT will be three years than five years.

So but want you get like i'm talking about you personally, what were you think and really like, look, I just I done all the training. I want to have to stand. I had an awesome of appointment.

We're doing j sets. What's next? Like were you thinking you're going to be a career soldier at this point?

So I I never going wanted to have a career like I wanted to get experience like but that time I kind of like was there I did really good to in terms of like I liked IT I that was the first time I started learning uh, with intention of wanting to learn. So IT was fun for me because the. Developed and also was our pale all the time. Then when we came back like then there was a problem of not having enough work because there is like not too many terrorists born in stoia. So in a war .

without a war has its problems.

Yeah pretty much like that. And then we were like, we also will building our unit. So they were like a lot of things that we had to do internally, uh, to spread the knowledge and stuff like that.

Eventually we there were opportunities to go to syria. There was a lot of like other places, but none of the politicians just I wanted to send us anywhere. And until until then, I think IT took like six years when or seven years to get again to the area where there could be some comment.

So there was a pretty long period, but that time I I kind of like we went to now in a training mode. So ukranian was started in two thousand and forty, right? And then we feel about that there is a way how to support them.

So we started doing some stuff over there, uh, helping the ukrainian forces are together with americans litta, ian, polish latrines. And during that time, I kind of have a daughter born that he was one week gold, and I had to go away for a half a year, rogan. And that was, the time was like, okay, I don't see any action coming and I made a checklist, pros and cons and I was like fourteen zero to go out.

So there was not much of decision. And yeah so then I just play my set to my team that day. I'm thinking about other stuff and I would like twenty seven.

I think that I will try something else because now it's the moment, uh, otherwise I will kind of stay here. Uh, so and yeah then h IT was time to let the other team know. And then pretty much choice started looking out .

towards what insight can you give us on the ukrainian military.

So they were really bad at that time. So when we went there, yeah, they not like civilians sent to the front line, not with my training at that time. So when we actually like we have like this huge exercise, spring storm, one hour, like the whole country in nato, like sometimes is like ten thousand soldiers comes together.

And we have an exercise which all is played out during one month. So we one month there is like month in all good stuff. Everyone gets the train and it's like life like this, like huge F T X.

And then we ask, like ukrainians, like do you have also similar exercises? They say, yes um we have IT so but they work differently IT IT works like this, like for one month you train uh and it's like theater like because you know that in one month generals are coming to look how we are doing and by by that time that is like trails and then you go there and you fall at some place. The tanks are coming.

So it's all your rates. There's nothing really there. And that was kind of the trading, the adopted from the from the russian army, that was the style of training. So they based excuse for pretty bad.

And we were able to kind of help them to share the understanding of what we knew, what I would say to what they are on a really good level is like all like explosives, building puppy traps, building ideas. That's where they are on really, really high level. And they started to incrementally, like water will teach them yeah like eventually. And that I would say that at the moment, they are pretty good on a pretty good level.

And they obviously have the will because it's there this .

home yeah they have no what no like yeah. I mean, from two thousand and forth until now when the war started. And I think that if I am not messing up numbers, they had sent through the front line like three hundred thousand men.

And I think that they had like four hundred thousand or eleven thousand casualties during the ten ten years. So they were in war and all of the time. So they they learn some hard lessons.

And from our point of view, we were able to learn in terms of our intelligence, were able to set gathering information. I think I though I was at one point, like one of the centres in terms of the accurate information that is coming from eastern side. So we we our human and the over some of our um services started to get the really, really good information. And ah they got really good like trading for all of that.

Meanwhile, after that, uh, you decide you're going to get out and then what's your plan when you get out? So I going to earn a living.

So yeah, I had A, I had a um I had an apartment. So I thought I would say that. And then I got like, I know, forty thousand years on a bank account, which I figured that the for half of that I can pay your rent or something, and then another other, I would invest in poker.

So I figured I left off with poker. I was pretty good at that, so I figured I would start that again. And then I started playing poker. And actually the the problem was the double doing too good.

Uh, and now as you're doing good, do you think that that's something which will last? And in reality, what what lasted was that I was winning money. I never like, lost in terms of, I like, I always made money, but my expenses, for whatever reason, just going higher and higher and higher.

And I didn't like, check the baLance. I guess I don't know the fuck I was doing. So eventually I ended up in situation where I was minus thirty thousand in like one and half years later. I to win more .

yeah .

absolutely. Because if if you want to like earn like I don't know, three, four thousand and a months, you have to have about the back roll of, I don't know, hundred thousand because the highs and lows are so crazy, so there's so much variance.

you have to .

have a banana backing.

There is no stability .

like you can't h get stable because you can't get the money out because you need IT to work. So so eventually there is no story there. And I was like putting in hours, so for me now all the time.

So I got together with the mother of the child, like just before deployed. And then we were together, like six years somewhere in the me. My brother was like born and then I kind of like try to figure out things. And then when we move to that to and and when I was from then, the rent went even higher because I started renting in house now. So and you're .

literally the only income .

you have is worker. absolutely. And then like things start to like don't work. But i'm never like looking at the red flags.

I'm thinking, okay, if I do that, I was kind of like contingency planning all the time. So what kind of like prepare? I knew that I can, whatever happens, I can dig myself out from IT.

So I always took like leap of pid. Okay, maybe this works, maybe that nothing works. And then eventually, like I put in hours. So when I came back off, okay, how do I schedule my day? Because I had no idea how to like corporate outside from someone telling me what to do.

And the only thing what I knew is that, okay, in the military, we had schedules like this, is how you day starts this so tense. And then I just made the schedule I planned every hour. And then I had the schedule like a saturday was a rest day, and every day I played poker. So now for me, I was always home. But for my family I was working .

was IT online poker.

most online and most online. So I eventually played like six thousand hours in total. Uh, so I was sitting there like like, I think two thousand, five hundred dollars a year or maybe more. Ah, so ten, fifteen, sixteen hour days sitting behind the computer, just draining, riding and grinding.

And is is IT fun for you .

or you just working. H IT is IT is fun. Um it's fun and it's working like IT.

Eventually IT becomes work there. It's a be able game with just a skill game, I would say. Um IT IT requires the same thing with every other thing we have to learn.

You have to be discipline. You have to manage your bank role in right, right level. You can't go and play if you have one thousand errors. You can't play a turnabout in one thousand buying. You have to play one euro buying because then you can play thousand tournaments.

So so but yeah I actually able to make some money but the IT just I I know I was some something in channel because of my ego and everyone outside or thinking, oh, really is doing so good. He's living in the right apartment. He is living large. Uh, but the interesting everything turned into the ship. So we obviously I put so many hours I was not able to build relationship with the with the mother or of my child.

And then eventually, like SHE came in at some point where everything was already shed anyways and then he said the tea founded more or some dude than I, which I kind of agreed, because to me that was like a way out. I actually pushed forward a hard conversation. I already saw a long time I go that this is not working, but I just postponed IT, then postpone IT, postpone IT. And that gave me a way out. And then when I got the way out, and that was the moment when I kind stumble upon on your book, and then on the first page, like first, I thought, obviously, where did my all of my trouble start? IT was my .

mentor who let .

me into this hole. IT was my like mother of my child who sucked. thanks. IT was nothing to do with me.

And then I pretty much cheer, took that book and read the first chapter, didn't take much more to figure out that they I had to look into the matter and then I just started running for the first two two weeks pretty much I was I had five hundred years uh I had a rent to pay which was like fifteen hundred um so I knew that we ready to split. I, I have no place to live. They don't have any place to live.

So I called few my bodies. I said, okay, I need four thousand years another loan. And then I figured out the place where they could live.

And then there was my friend who was the same due to talk with my uncle and tried that, hey, I need something to do. He was like going to his friend's farm. And then I just went there for two months in the summer.

And what I did, I just uh destroyed buildings like there was something ah ah something like that with whatever and just thinking about life and now was like car i'm like I know thirty or twenty nine. I'm like in the biggest toll of my life I may retired to have soft guy and i'm actually like nothing I have nothing. So I was in that spot, and then I started asking, okay, what should I do? And then someone recommended me the time.

Maybe as you have a military background, we have we starting to have a defense industry now. So maybe IT would make sense that you start asking them because that and then I went to the defense industry page. That's like, I don't know, hundred companies in the story and I just lasted about seven of them because first one was like they were doing like empty shells that you can fill in with explosives or asic exclusives so you can head those under your bed and they are not considered as weapons.

But if you add, uh see four into IT, it's a actual uh it's an actually like important it's like ah it's cay more but also like this directional charge. Uh E F P, E F P, exactly. yeah.

So as we were testing those things when I was in that, I thought, okay, maybe they would like to utilize my knowledge as a idea. You can contact us in half year. Okay, cool. Then the next, next place was million. And then I sent my C V O there, uh, just in for mail, hey, maybe you want me into your .

team and .

then what this yeah the company. And then there was one dude who replied to me and he was a, he was a one of the commanders um in my previous unit and he said, of course, coming in on monday and I went in on monday and then there was a work interview no nice. I was sitting there and I saw the town.

There was two other dudes from the soft and there is other do so there was only four military guys in front of me, and they just told me what I will start doing. I had no option. And then they asked me, so how much do you want to get paid? I said, I need one thousand years old.

I don't care about anything, is I need that then they all start the lavie. Like, that's how how low bowling you are. Like that such a small number, so you will get like two thousand straight away.

And like, okay, so you want to tell me that I have no skills and you are going to pay me, like, for learning two thousand month. That's good for me. I only wanted one thousand to get back.

And then I pretty much figured I just read a book outlier before that. And then there was a section like, there is sometimes things is happened, which shouldn't happen with you, and now most of the people miss them, missed those opportunities. And I figured out to get that, the opportunity that I shouldn't have. And then what I started doing, I just started IT.

You mean that the opportunity that you shouldn't have, like.

IT didn't like if I just if my friends were not there.

I wouldn't get in got IT .

like you don't .

deserve IT yeah like you don't deserve IT so .

you should really get after .

IT yeah so I mean, or is IT like you .

shouldn't do IT because in times if you look at my cv, I would never get that position yes. So so you were .

lucky to get that job solution. And you felt that, yeah, and you like to work card going on.

I'm just gonna everything I can to make this happen. And I look at all other people and said, okay, I would out work all of you. And I was first person in the office, last person out from the office. And that just pretty much good after IT. And when you have that attitude and you have back against the world, I mean, nothing is stopped.

You and then how long will you doing that for?

So what are you doing that the for three years? Um so I started from being a project or program manager, which would like I can know you get the one army and you pretty much start building relationships in of a business development sales job and is you say .

one army in an army from some other country yeah with this army from this country, weapons.

As a first customer, like on the first month, they came mean to esta that they were interested in our robots. And what we did, we there was four military duties sitting on one side of table. On our side of table, there are other four military guys.

And what we did, we just just talked. Then we went drinking and we had good time. And that's how we started to build relationships.

And he took me then, like one and a half year of billing relationship eventually, as week got deals, like I was like, okay, so what are doing this week? We have this amazing update. We'd d like to know more about IT.

So that was kind of the stuff what we started doing. And eventually, like IT was like a total start up word where we didn't have the product ready. And we were like, yeah, our machines are helpful of doing terminator stuff, but in ready to know.

And then I remember I had to go to give a presentation in italy. And the way how IT worked was that there was a huge tender. We were competing against all the huge my companies, right matter, little outdoor and all the european and big ones.

And then I had to go there and provide a presentation. So the product that was presenting was invented day before in a slide show. And the name of that was I S I A two or something like that.

They really complicate the name. And then I got a brief, and then I had to go and presented to fifty, fifty cornels. And I was like him.

And then I went there, just folk, something in twenty minutes. I have no idea what I said. and then the head of the overall thing i like what you said you know why because you'd only minute you guy here you had the structure you were like simply clearing consist like right right that i have no idea what i just said but if you say so i'm good and i was able to like built CUDA with them and eventually uh we got to understanding of water through the tender terms uh as i had a good relationship with them then we were able to get our team together we we wrote a lot of poetry into the tender documents and eventually we won i was like genuinely believing that we are able we are the best like partners for them and then eventually we want the deal against all the big ones nobody believed in IT and that was one of the bigger deal at that time in the company so when i was ahead of that and then eventually we started delivering at that so and then remember that was one of the best lessons i learned that when we went there and we already decide them new that there was a little poetry and when you go there and you are sit down and then they started asking questions about saying that do you know that you don't have right in in the right order and then we call IT that like like i know how to say IT but like we went there to get on the knees yeah and.

that's what.

we did like that was really awesome experience of understanding how that works but eventually we were able to start delivering them we were able to cooperate with them and we will eventually help them so but that that was the world and that was like in in in europe eventually as i was successful in all of those things eventually got the designed to the middle and then i started that going to the middle st now what i did and only think what i did IT is was building relationships making connections to everyone and then obviously who do you like how how that word worked for me same same time when i went to italy there was one guy from flier like and black cornet driver he was from norwegian and you just if you speak with them you know the day you you have this language that you can not start picking in off and then that's OK actually i'm like my main area of responsibility is in meat at least now he said there and there as well so okay next time when you come there let me know so next time i go there and let me know he he tells me that hey we are drinking come join i go there he puts me and the he puts me on on behind the table next to me is like a president of the company in front of me there is another owner of the company they just the one like a seven the midland deal of drones or something they're just celebrating and now i'm there what would you joke military stuff we joke nothing about our products we just drink have a good time next day they remember that day we had a good time so what are you your selling oh we have these robots come and check IT out take come to uh this is really high tech stuff yeah of course yes IT is and then you take like three months from there and they pretty much bought one without ever seeing a demonstration or nothing so it's all relationships and then you start working on so what i always say is that i built network which started so i always gave i have the less presidial experience so i'm cover moving relationships we understand their intense and then eventually i let them do the job because i have no idea how to do anything like i i really don't know so the only way i have is to let them do IT what they know and as they have a good track record they start connecting people and eventually are running in all the countries and you have agents on people's there so only thing what you have to do is just manage them provide them information and that how that will works pretty much.

so then at what point did you recognize that there was another opportunity in the world in terms of teaching what you learned to the military to other people.

so i i kind of like recognize that in the very beginning when i try the company because obviously that point i thought that the only thing what i know is to how to shoot and blow things up because that was my profession but then i started to realizing that day that experiences what we had because we were growing as a soft unit rate then the military was exactly like that there was people especially there was military people and they were actually had the same attitude as they were like as there so i just started pretty much understanding that first of all the book that was a really easy guide for me what to do and eventually like sad understanding the takes the exact the same you just have to have the right attitude so i understood that i have to have the same mentality how i got through selection so one step the time not giving up being a team player building relationships trying to support all the kind of stuff and then eventually started understanding today there is something there i started the listening more of your broadcasters and stuff like that and that point i started putting together some powerpoint randomly like i you put to you put together powerpoint you think that IT could be a course then i think i went to whatever page i i really didn't get far further than making account on some page i never apply anything i did nothing i was just i had a lot of power points in my p c then i contacted to other juice martina and to another judge and the pitch them hey let's do something our own but they were already like a going to university doing some other stuff so nobody wanted to do anything so i postponed IT until one day i don't know maybe was two years in martin called me and he said that i went to speak with in in one company but military decision making so m d m p and if they really seem to like IT uh i held them solve a problem or something and that's okay and there was like one person who had transition to another company and SHE wanted him to come and speak about that again and then the problem statement what was in the me mail was like my people are not taking ownership like this is not a military decision making me problem this is like a ownership problem that they need something else and so what i would do is that uh because i had already observed all of stuff so much uh that's okay we should like just talk about what's written in the book or give them a book right don't know do something about IT uh because they don't definitely need that so because he he can 才 是 um but i know let's let's try and put IT together than together i said um okay and then next day we found combat today i went to know i looked OK what is what is the nasal on front all right so what could be our companies is name and so he took some military vocabulary just started scanning so what could be our name so randomly combat and ready so everyone is facing some battles or combat in their life so they have to be ready for that so i know IT makes sense whatever like IT and then we established that because in stone is old digital like you can do like ninety nine percent of stuff you can do digital everything in government like we are like e s in like one of our like no.

take the pride of your country exactly that's actually something to be proud because here in america these polls you want to get them done america you gotta fill that should out try and then you're going to get some other form you have got to fill out and then you're gotta fill out the same form like here's filled up the same information over over and over again it's ridiculous so a good job e stony.

so yeah everything banking everything is online like signing things online everything is online and then what so in a town that takes fifteen minutes the stash the company nice you go there you fill out some forms i know you know that's what we do whatever as he was an officer he knew thinks what the.

right he's filling out the forms.

yeah he's filling out the forms i have no idea what to do with those forms so that's what we be made clear in the way of beginning you are a form guy you do our finances you do our a housekeep ing on that site i want to do nothing with that and i don't know how.

was to do IT either jack so then how was the first gig what was kind of company was IT.

so IT was a like an insurance company uh started up as well and we went there again seven we went looking at us and we are talking something about exchange we also put in the military decision making we also talk about things that we knew um and then the first reaction from them is at all make sense like all right we got something i remember that when we were walking away from that place to we were highly ving like car that felt good so we actually do.

something i when i talk to a effort my first civilian company i walked out of their going and is actually when the person asked like i went through the brief the combat leadership brief it's the same thing that we give i have done IT then i started answering question is the first question when i answered IT i was like oh this this applies to everything and i i knew like we got something here so.

that's how you vote yeah i already knew IT implementing those because i was so obvious that this works i even bought everyone i even bought everyone this book in my t because i saw that they like they had they complained about we don't have a time we don't have enough time yeah i know you come in nine you live at four so i'm coming in at five and living in seven and i have plenty of things to do and everything gets done so you like i understood that they were in compose already they have egos like military guys still so they were not paying attention now i gave them the book and then eventually one one guy read IT and he calls me like one month hey awesome book i really like that now i understand who was for two days that the everything should the c e o like IT of course now you understand that really so yeah so i going to give up on that but ah i i really understood because things started to go in right direction like everything started to children around in my life.

And then so you start to turn around your own life. Now you get an opportunity. You go talk to seven women.

They're kind of high. five.

What year was that remember? And that was two .

thousand twenty two o relatively twenty twenty one OK. Because commenter is three years old, so OK yeah to anyone.

So two thousand twenty one, you do this first event. Now, what's interesting to me is a lot of people would have said, okay, extreme ownership, cover, move, simple, prioritize, X, Q, desensitized command, I get IT. How about we go? Total responsibility, how? How about we go fire in maneuver, keep IT simple, stupid, uh, analyze and prioritize and then empower your people.

You see, i'm saying, like you could have easily just said, I see what they did. I get IT. I'm from a different country. I could you could translate the exact same words and just be like in estonian I would never know IT you are stand up human that was like actually no, we got them from this book let's let's let's give credit where credit is do um but you know for me, like from a humility perspective, like that's pretty awesome you know for I mean everyone's competitive and oh, those know where the seals they're just doing the basic military stuff or we we know stuff too. So where that .

come from? I think I think IT IT came from one just because we did one like one month long training in norway with seals seating free. sure. IT was .

seventeen three ah it's really where most of the time they don't go to europe at all.

They were like responsible for europe.

So IT was either team to or there has been some .

funky deploy TTS .

we might be yeah so were .

cil team three or I was .

sill team two, cielito three, ciel team seven .

and civil team one OK. So um but asking IT to us what closer .

was killing three?

Okay so so IT was sill to O K, yeah so because IT wasn't the same number OK, so yeah IT to and we were doing things over there together with them. We we, we form the one task force. And I really just liked what they were doing.

I mean, devil junior guys who were totally junior and they were designated initially drivers to us and then we were driving uh, them to the Operation is not like that. I know they were the first unit two kind of didn't throw other branches of army under the bus. So they have a different attitude.

The training all the time through boxing, we are living in same anger. So I mean, they were kind of legit. And there was like, really huge wins at that one day when they had to go out there, wind, wind, yeah, like really strong winds.

And between the forts and then they have to go Operation. And in the middle night, we, I take them to the port. There are local people dying down boats because they have a storm, which even had a name. I I can't remember what the name was. So I already see that .

the name is certain place.

something like that. And then they went out even though they knew that there will be no so reach or they will never reach to the place where they had to go. But they had to go out because it's a good training, right? That's yes.

And then taken back, they were so fuck up totally, I totally like done. And then I kind of get respect on that. And also like the same time they they got a call in, there was one I know oil tank taken over by someone somewhere, and they started switching their locks out.

The F, T, X locks are, is defect. Know what? Where is like blue ones, which you can insert in your own weapon? So they took those things out.

I'm like, okay, what are these guys doing? They are actually put in actual stuff together. So and then we can tell you, okay, fine. And the next day we read from newspaper that, uh, sales went and I know rescue the ship or on board date and took IT down. Then there was a lot of celebration, the hate you staying there.

Uh, we continue our Operations, but that kind of parents eventually like we had respect because they were kind of rigid, obvious um and it's good that don't have to like think IT IT was really the first you need that kind of impressed in that sense that they don't throw anyone under the bus. And sadly, I I going to let the Green race day through seals and everyone else under the bus constantly. So anyways.

is this strange thing because he doesn't seem like IT. But when you talk to mac about other people, IT doesn't really, doesn't really sound that good. Know if if when eco walks out you know to go grab a drink and I like, you know, that was not really that great judge to like what who does that I mean, like that's just such a .

and I would say also like probably like ten O D or something like that in total. And they were like, they were like O D S, which were like, total legit. This is nothing.

And then they were like, some of them were like, one do. Two dudes were like A U G gos. And take kind of shit on all of them .

yeah and do don't get me wrong. I mean, the every unit has some two in IT with that I know .

we have them .

losers and the big city OS ever. And broadly speaking, most dudes like are good mugs. You go to O D, A T, you a rater, pta or troop is in the sea opportune? Like the dudes are good dudes and there's of course, there's some loud mouth and there or someone that's disgruntled or someone that has you insecure. And so they're going to talk. Mac, but most dudes, and of course, you know, like when you're in the dudes, are you mean you're like .

most of the time. So yeah, think that experience of me that I wanted to share respect and continue. And then when we saw those principles and actually like key, let's build the relationship with those two speaker, we have no idea how to do any of this.

And they have been doing IT for ten years. So why not let's let's I know, let's partner up because we would have to invent a bicycle like and there's no point of doing that. Yes, we can write our own book like extreme responsibility.

Uh, we could, maybe we smother and say responsibly lic. Three, I don't know, but that's not the worth IT. So yeah, we started, wanted to start from the right foot. And after the training, we decided after high five, that lets right to you guys. We figured out, I don't know, I I think we were not able to find your .

emails and we act .

page T I like we did our was IT. So we we had a pretty good training in terms of intelligence, uh, how how that word works. So we went back, I don't know, five years to do your first page, and then we got all of your mails, and then we just added you guys there in A C, C.

Line or whatever, and then started sending the first mail. Leaf, uh, was the one responded back, thank you for your service, two guys from eastern euro and go to the academic and and see what's up. And then we went to that to me.

So the adem is our online training programs, and that's awesome. Thank you service.

Go check out the academy of partnership.

which which props the if you know if he responded yeah I so like I was joke late this way I sure than I am absolutely he's like when we go meet people, he's talking to someone for nine minutes no, I was done in thirty seconds. I'm not a bad person but like, hey, you don't is good to meet you too and lives like so we from and he just like he's is nicer than me and you know he gets email is like, hey, thank your service .

you know then we got .

that to and he's .

doing that great. We were so happy that we got A E mail back like, okay, we have something. And then what we decided to do is that, okay, let's start and providing value because like, what can we deo? There's nothing what we can do out here.

Let's start grinding through the academy. We saw that. Okay, IT IT seems not to be digitally perfect because there was some IT was like very first time when you even went online with that.

So we started in seeing things and then we started writing feedbacks. That's a trick. Great way. How to build a relationship if you start telling what they are doing wrong, especially from the point where we were, we know nothing. So that was the formal value.

What we thought that they like less to that they should like, uh, they are talking in all of their posts that they appreciate feed fact can not like that. So we can go much wrong. So I started in doing that, that three didn't work out. We were really sending a lot of emails. I think eventually we didn't get much replies anymore because .

I don't know.

Yeah, absolutely. And then eventually, like we thought the day, so this is not working.

And where you still did, you still are you still bringing on clients at this time and you are working? No, no, no. You're still trying to figure out how to get this thing .

long for real because we both have the the read jobs. I was still like flying to saudi, I and stuff like that, doing the other, other stuff. So that was like a hobby.

Let's see what we can make out from that. And then then we told the day, so what options do we have? So they have, in F, T, X, somewhere.

Most likely we should be able to showcase that. We know what we can do, because IT seems to be a military training type of stuff. And then we OK four thousand, whatever IT was, right?

So marketing told me the day, let, let's, let's go there. So, yeah, so where do we get the money? Like, huh, I had like a credit line.

Like, I don't know, with fifty or twenty percent interests I took alone like, oh, now we have tickets. I already bought them. Oh, so now we're going, yeah, we're going.

So now we gonna hit in April. So we, I prepared the home beach. Really good one. Of course, we had zero pictures of us in civilian clothing, I would say, because the first time I even bought adult clothing was when I joined children.

Until then, I just had t shirts, and then I had to wear a pattern of, sure, and that like that, that was the first time I had a little clothing. And then, first of all, we have any pictures. We only had pictures from military clothing.

And then everywhere, what we decided to take, we want, we don't want to do anything behind your bags. We want to do IT the right way. So I created the home page, uh, with chuck here, chock a there, live there, every mothership pears.

So that's what we do. And then eventually, we we started that. We had a vacation for two weeks, and then we flew fu to states.

And our plan was the day, mean, let's go there. We have already provided so much value to them by providing them a lot of feedback. So let's go there and let's see what happens.

And then we eventually, right then um we had the first time meet up or whatever and then I had a APP I don't know week or whatever IT was and then I started getting like hit that someone is watching our home page from dallas ten ten hits which means is okay now I now I knew that they know who we are, what we do, what we can want to achieve. At least they have a porter understanding and then we said, okay, now we will never initiate any conversations with them ourselves because then we will look needed. So we will not be needed.

So now only thing what we have to do is just just go there and before. And then the next came in, next day came in. And then first exercise started. Yeah.

I was, honestly, I was so lujan to watch. I wish I, I wish I had firm of IT because IT was like, I would say, like, I was like, dude, two black bet against White belts. And how much put its different? Because judge to in its, in its nature look sloppy. You understand i'm saying just in its nature there's a move .

yeah you can .

see IT before whatever. This was like a different thing. It's like watching someone do a different like a like a sport, like the hurdles or something, like do each like a the cafe on and everything they're just like smooth and just yeah and and yet and you're literally watching people i've never done a poll, val before.

Imagine to do that's never done a before and he's running down the track here in a poll for the povl like this is a disaster, yes. And in the midst of a guy doing that, a guy thrown a jewel in backwards, you know, like a guy like dropping a discuss three feet from the circle, a guy jumping on the on the long jump like three feet and then falling on his face. That's what are watching.

And then there's two guys that are just like, mechanically just slaying. And I remember what I was to jp, was probably jp that checked your website. I look, jp, like, who are these two do right here? And he, like, do there are african's soft? Like, I go.

So there there only in soft deploy to afghanistan. I was like, chuck, I this is going to be awesome. yeah.

So IT was that that was a freaking great move. That was a great move that you guys executed. And you, I would say you had me at hold.

Do you got move forward? Like, what are those things was watching? Is like, okay, what these guys are in the game? You know.

that was the thing. Like then I think we did like two runs. And then just like, okay, sitting down, hey, we would like to do the same thing in the dona and, uh, you said, OK, now you got my attention and there is okay now, Martin, we like mentally high five each other already.

Let's not fuck IT up anymore. Let's just keep the cool and let's continue. We continue that.

And then we got the Green light from you. And we we brought the flag with the message a day. We gave australian flag with the message.

I remember that this will, when you have a hat, q, this will be first flag that you pull there in front of your H, Q. And yeah, I mean, that that was the planted seat. Then we got back, uh, we saw that, uh, this safety acting works because we had no idea how how to conduct the natives.

And then we went back. We gathered up a group of friends like I don't know fifteen and then we run our first trial. So we rehearsed and obviously got a really good feedback.

Then we next h Martina was working in I know governmental company and said, okay, we have this new training idea um maybe let's run all the departments through that. Obviously, we did IT for whatever, nothing. And then that started to build like, yeah like we we we had content.

Then I made another amazing video. We sucked, of course. And then we look okay.

We have no idea how to market anything. So the first person we came in, like h was one lady. Okay, we need marketing.

And SHE initially thought that who are this military guys? You're selling some military stuff. SHE didn't understand anything. But eventually we we got her own board, and he started made, made me, made us a new homepage. And then we started doing facebook content.

And we that was also awesome because so far, eighty years while I was in the military, we didn't have any facebook. Nothing, zero, zero social media. now. you guys tell me that i have to start making videos and speak things like to other people about how to i don't live their life like that's fucking me stupid who does those things and then i had like i made like videos i need a thirty second clip i like the may be before the takes and then i said like okay i i can't do IT anymore and look at this okay it's perfect no no IT sucks but okay give IT a shot so in the beginning marking did all the videos because i just didn't want to do IT because i felt so fucking weird you will speak some things to other people and teach them whatever i mean IT make any sense and then eventually like we had i think four five f t x i did like two our key no of introduction in in my company and we had the same idea like okay we have to kind of like in the defense industries like if you go to the customer and the first ask does your own army use your equipment and if you have no then you're very much nobody wanted why so you want to sell IT to us but your own government doesn't wanted so we figured that okay if you are able to like help power own companies to improve then we have like care we did IT over there already IT works so we started we don't companies and then we started going around we got our first customer or something like that and by the end of the deal we had there was i think like a conference whatever the conference was we kind of got a classroom and obviously when we went to see with with the classroom was IT was on the third door in the thirtieth diner and we thought okay nobody will think is first well nobody will find IT and then um when we started to talking about IT then act for for whatever reason there was one of 了 and nobody looked there was not enough room for people to get into the room and that i think that that day i was like had been drinking until four because that was the way how you build relationship in uh defense industry so that was my geek like i went there on a conference and every day until whatever and then i had two hours of sleep and we i gave first english keynote which was perfect just perfect right i couldn't have done IT most likely any other condition so IT went really well and now is okay now we have again new information out there and then i saw started the thinking okay how do we make IT every time when we go there we'd have to do something bigger and something more bigger and by that by that year and of that year i think we maybe had run and i don't know five training something like that so nothing much and then as we didn't have any understanding of how to do the classroom training we just figured out some things we was like we talked about so many stuff but you can't imagine we talk about everything indirect method ego like all the things that you could possibly talk about but they still the feedback was really good because nobody has previously ever talked about IT so IT doesn't matter if the content is so good like they say good and then eventually like a martin had to go away so now the company was pretty much on me because he left to europe to run some huge projects which meant that he now was our of finances because he got a good salary and we were just doing i don't know zero money zero nothing so we not make much money but at least we had our jobs so we were able to leave on that but we were making no money and then we had to start bringing in new instructions res sorry i'm actually speeding up for so the first year after we did those first give for whatever reason me and one other deal with like talking hey so like in estonia like the you can get there like a a a mark if you are best leadership or training company like instructed whatever like how do you get that like and i was talking with one do than that we would like okay this is most likely a corruption anyway it's like just point this piece of thing and then in one week someone called me hey you have one and what we went there all of that news went to h r so everyone start to understand that there is a company who is doing things differently they are from max military guys so IT was like a new thing so and they especially like the water was just started so we were in right timing so everybody we got everyone's attention and from there on we just continued on growing and growing growing started to implement.

the same stuff so left your day job at this point.

uh so i ended up my i left my day job by the end of two thousand twenty two so one year in i think the two thousand twenty two we end up with like seventy thousand as our overall revenue so because we were able to end like half of like fifty thousand of that two teen after september or something because it's like continuous they started that going really really high and then he had to go away and now i needed you guys because i were not able to do IT hello anymore then there are some dues coming to meet hey hey i want to do the same stuff so what do you want to do i want to be instructor okay so these are the terms these are the we we can't pay any money but you can do a lot of work if you want uh there is a little opportunity here we have seen jo andrew life so we were like some like we were already like interesting to other people in the military so and then we started doing that and eventually what happened is that second year we had already like we had like four hundred and fifty thousand as a revenue so and we never focused on any numbers we just doing the right thing for the right reason and the second time i went to the same conference where we had the classroom so how are you going to got us to the main stage because we didn't know anyone and i went to the i gave an interview because there was like an interview of some of the speakers from the last year they ask me to come to the office and i said okay so now actually what we would like to do is that we would like to get on the main stage like okay so who is your like who is the decision maker here and SHE let me down the station showed the dude sitting in a corner who was doing something with next so i okay so i will go there and the champion take just one step in and said hey we need to get on the main stage can i sit next year for a minute so uh okay so i kind of like when they are nuked IT like just everything went out right away then i set down there and he started saying like he actually know what you guys are doing military stuff we actually have here like we want to talk about peace and stuff like that we don't want really bring any minute stuff in there was that and they were like looking for prime minister to come and speak contain main stage and like what does the prime minister know about leadership so but i can see that is this the schedule yes so i can see that here is an opens place so could you just lead your mouth there and just write home about there and that you just lead his mouth to that place and road combatted and that's how we got to the main stage just the foot declasse ve going there saying what we need and we got IT so and that's how we kind of ended up doing everything just going there and asking or telling i don't know i don't know what how we did but just uh pretty much the for aggressive has been always to.

think is obviously d photograms sive go there make things happen and look can you youtube default gressier yes you can it's called to getting kicked out of buildings it's called you to hey security yeah but if you have a good attitude in europe like being professional with people the the guy probably saw something yeah when you were talking to him and there you go.

so next year in in in business the new guys had been recruit i started going there together with them half year i kind of show them how i do do IT so i gave them piece by piece just talk to laws now talk free laws now talk for laws and that's how we get them going and by the end of the one of the dudes he got awarded as a next training of the year so we have been able to do that two years ago and just everything started to go now what was one of the things is that we still didn't have any contract video guys so we were just still we had no powerpoint ines who know nothing no actual information so everything what to be actually teach was like what to be so from internet and then so pretty much what we did is like kind of like like we got your word but it's kind of like illegal in a way but we were saying that we got IT from there but i mean we just invented things and then we just took a leap of fate and then i decided the day okay this doesn't seem to go anywhere and i just started treating you guys as a management port or board of the directors ever and then so okay every quarter i will start sending you see trips which you didn't ask so just started setting those ones forwards sending sending sending and at some point in the end of ten two dozen twenty three i think lindy or someone like yeah i like knocked over or something like that like hey now you have reached like you have you have become into our prior list over here and we would like to now make IT like official and it's like yes eventually like two years we are there now we had a really really hard in terms of contract because everyone seems like it's really difficult to have contract with americans a lot of legal stuff lot of the different terms and our our agreement was very simple like lindy was saying what the was expected for us like these are the numbers we said no we can't do IT we can do IT with these numbers SHE said yes okay then um there was like some other similar stuff i said no we can't do IT we can do this okay and then in one week sign where do we sign here and there was that and then next year again we were in the classroom we were on the main stage and now in january The same we went happened. That was the start updates like a huge conference.

And then we got your video of explaining the day come our new certified instructor or or whatever. And that was on the main stage. Now everyone knew he was like killing the newspaper and stuff .

like that that yeah.

yeah. And that's really like everything, like winter, like we just used to like, like we were like thing you want. And like, what do we have to do? We just have to do what's written in the book. And if you do things is was threatened in the book, you can go go wrong and eventually we do the right things for the right reason, things will start happen. And that's how we got here.

Yeah I like when you tell me yesterday, I think you were saying, like, listen, you and Martin were saying, listen, we need to do what he says the book, and if they do what they say they do in the book, we're gonna good to go, yeah, and share enough. We're going to go. Uh, i'd learned something. Echo Charles in hollywood.

是 hollywood。 Tell you.

what I learned in hollywood deals is when the principles want a deal to happen, it's gonna a happen. And the rest is just like people, you know, there's gonna make IT. But here.

And so that's part one. Part two. One of my favorite things to do in as a combat leader is, I would just say, do IT so like on the radio, like live would go up and be like joke.

And we get another building into two blocks down. We saw some scarves coming out of that. We want to go.

We want to go hit that thing, do IT and we just like that. That was like such. It's it's just like a little bit Better than excute excute execute ex.

You say like at the beginning of an Operation, it's cool. Look is IT cool. It's cool.

But to have like some other branch plan be coming in with some explanation behind IT and to have the decentralized command where it's like, hey, we need to bump across, you know, a great day. We get to across. do IT you know just like so good yes so like when these contracts is like i get a long email like hey with the thing to this and of that and the response do IT.

ah yeah i've experienced many time ah yeah yeah i do IT and i get i gathered the same thing like i see what you do doing is pretty quickly now so i get IT and respective yes what we are doing.

we are doing.

yeah doing IT but really honestly the the sea uga zed in the deck the capone on the battlefield the f t x battle field was like i i was so freak pumps that you guys were so squared away because part of IT was like i said in the opening sometimes i would want and i be like do is is too like am i crazy am i is this too hard for people to actually be able to do like these people are going insane like if you been you have.

been after.

OK OK yeah okay you see people going crazy like and by the way like no one's going to add or like you totally freaking out and these guys were just like robots determinate robots and i like who these guys and it's like oh there is stone a special operations forces they deploy to afghanis and i was like roger that and i think actually jp u s like they use our principles i e something like i don't know if that was what he gathered from the web page or whatever but you know jp he's always like doing his research and stuff so uh yes so you combine all those things together which each one of those things was like doing the right thing to the reasons um and also i i i think one of the conversations i had with my team i was like hey they could be teaching um you know total responsibility and that and and they are not they're like cool and let's like these the kind of people we want to work with there's no did you guys did you guys want did you guys want me to go to estonia.

yeah think so i mean we we he said like k can we like we have those kind of ambitions of course but we realized on the very first in.

the inning that that i mean at some point will make IT have like a full european.

we going to.

go be start and end in the stony what up now yeah back in the day you when i was a seal team to get some a deploying the europe and guys were deployed in estonia like everyone loved estonia they thought i was like they weren't happen and so bet i never went there unfortunately so at some point we go to stones we rock and roll so how many structures do you.

have now so we have about the seventh structures.

and then what's their qualification process look like you guy guess.

you what you went through IT you so so yeah i mean we kind of change IT so we have now bet system white bet problem now everyone.

we by the way we we have that idea has been a thing at at this long front IT is not a thing but he has been IT was on was discussed yeah you know i think i was probably the guy that was like well the studio too i don't know but we didn't do IT but.

that's and we defined all of the beds what they mean and that we change this like a month ago that's what we did because we wanted to have a very specific way how we can actually like understand who is where what is your way of moving forward so at the moment um other than one person everyone's white built and it's it's not easy to get the next belt so IT takes years and IT takes certain like more jewels that you can have i mean um most of them they really because we had our own own stuff right we were not like doing specifically as you have been doing and now as we have like trying together we have no better understanding of how you actually teach those tools so now we just reorganizing all of those things and now we are able to actually teach things specifically the way you do IT and we are much more precise it's more much more useful because so far i mean hour average court because after every training how we got there like we have feedback from customers and like the average core like insteps of numbers is like nine hundred ten so it's a good stuff but IT wasn't as practical as we wanted or IT wasn't IT does didn't the fine tuning now now we are fine tuned in and now we have kind of like a blue print and IT takes only like my one or two for them to get to the blue belt IT takes another month to get to the brown belt i know will anyone ever get to the black belt but definitely summer in the middle so because we we are able to effect because we have like a lot of people however previous coaching experience and working with companies and we have run like long term programs already but we just didn't have a system so now we just established the standard that we establish the system which we can just internally understand so most of them are still able to go in the execute with every customer but the h just internally something to measure.

and you just came out and went through our our first in front of first train the train program where IT was a nine months program that you went through that most of the nine months was virtual so you guys we're doing calls and zoom calls and giving briefs learning briefs and then had then i think there was a total ten people showed up here in sandy ago to get certified and yeah was pretty weak because i was like give your brief and get really good feedback and everyone had already kind of built the brief where everyone gave a great brief like a everyone today is the giving a brief is not an easy thing and giving a brief with specific content is is challenging and then to give a brief with a lot of pressure where you know you're going to get pick apart that breaks people ah and and everyone everyone from a bunch different industries came and stepped up and and delivered an awesome job and then we do like a hard core q n a murder board do you you guys say the term murder.

board yeah we had IT in the already in the n c l school we had that for two.

weeks two weeks.

yeah if you want to be an instructor like every n c o every senior n c s and every one who wants to be a senior n c o during that school which you have here you will have two weeks where you have to instruct i know here is got a good stuff.

teach IT.

and uh then you get the specific template which is like time you can spend five minutes on this you have to say these three words you have to provide intent you have to have an instruction in the end of the course you have to have a practical session like it's very much laid out and now you have like you get like free topics which you have no idea about and then you have to precisely give IT based on that template and they have to be timed and now is the difference is that the if i like the murder board is full of the same dudes so you get the one squad each one gets free lessons and now for two weeks you're just cringing and you if you're murdering that guy they will murder you and most of the time like the people for the weakest they get murdered the most of course because people start asking so stupid questions and then like that guy freezes and that now that's not the past anymore so that's how we like role but that gives you like a really good like baseline and i think that's where kind of the instructor skills came from and as i was also explosives i had to conduct and that i trained uh other like people to be able to blow things up so i had that experience from there so dealing with safety and being i had all the papers in terms of being learned how to do ideas i learned how to do like what the world zero yeah defuse them fuse yeah what will the kind of stuff so and now if you start teaching those things you i mean it's very basic in terms of but we had so much like repetition view and.

and that's the thing is that makes you competent as structure that was the goal of the of this training program is training training program that's not now most of the people are people that are coming from their company and the purpose of this is to be able to be an internal training in your company the only people that we took from that's going to go and do this training outside is just you and luis yeah and luis a character so because here you are estonians off and louis is well first of all he is in estonia but he's not estonian he's from australia ah three from australia and he his background he was a comedian here and he was a comedian and then he ran like he brought i guess there was no such thing to stand up comedy in and so he started stand up comedy in estonia and then you talk to him and it's like all the way that he got that going and made IT work was extreme mothership and the principles of combat leering teach which is such a great like you know no man i'm like oh we we work with all these different companies you know this oil company construction company finance company insurance company now want to be like stand up comedy company you know like let's go full range of motion on this gig yeah.

and there he he like as as he is building IT like yes these principles also were conceived y people so they everywhere does a matter where you are so that's why we are able to actually we have been able to influence so many companies already our government we are able to be working with ministries we are working with kindergarden were working with schools we are working with defense league we are working with military again like i mean startups hundreds of companies have gone through the training and i mean this principal.

chess work is a pretty awesome speaking of kids you guys is just well now you guys have your own publishing company yeah right and you bought the right right for a kids book called away the war your kid that one eccho chance and you guys just released the way the war your kid book one.

yeah it's it's going to be released on november and nobody on before christmas OK.

actually speaking of which i think this might have happened i think you just mailed me little while gone hey where we are.

modifying.

we can we modify the way the war your kid so that Estonian kids aren't trying to memorize american presidents and the gettysburg dress because that doesn't make sense in the story. And I I believe I have to check. I believe that I replied, do IT pretty sure i'm going .

to check IT was not like two words or but IT was those lines yes yeah.

If it's do IT, I would be pretty .

pumped yeah. And that's how we make that happen. Like when we saw that, I like, like we have appropriate you have created a blow print.

That's how this that's how simply is just do those things, what you've been doing here, do that in your country, do that in europe forever. And then I love the story of how china publishing, publishing, like how the company came to life. That's a good story.

And then watch this yes.

yeah. When then we like like initially like we wanted to start giving out that book, like I don't know, we actually asked a another publishing companies, a who has uh came out with these books. And hey, there is also a kids book that maybe we would like to like that would be useful for kids.

And then they were kind of looking into IT. But then I am mean like two thousand five hundred, I think, to fee. And then there was like eight percent, but they wanted to have like IT was ten percent free, but they want to eight percent.

So they were, we were not be able to make money. So, okay, I get them what? And then we took, like, another half year.

And then I heard that they are going making a movie. yeah. And there's .

like that thegns ally.

we have to do IT now. And that's what we did yeah and I .

was a good move. The movie is gonna um you know we the movie is wrapped. Echo Charles, you heard before there's a hollywood thing. yes. So I got to to say hollywood words for echo Charles to make sure that he knows that i'm aware that I said a hollywood thing because if I if I was just now just be like, yeah, you know, we rap filming on that project power, but that is kind of a big deal to rap.

And i'll tell you why, because until you have IT filmed, anything go wrong, like there can be a strike, someone can get hurt, there can be like some crazy loss IT. Like you just don't know what can happen. And, and, and it's like the difference between having IT wrapped and not having IT wrapped is like the difference between graduating from seal training and being somewhere in the pipeline in which there is no freaking guarantee that, that's happening. So that's pretty good to be wrapped, and it's a smart move that you form. Drone publishing company bought the rights and now when that movie comes out, you're onna sell about ooks.

Absolutely, that's the point. And the most importantly, we we are able to impact some some of the youth and actually like we have like the u organizations under the defense league, like no scouts, boy scouts and girls and subject that they were are one of the first customers in terms of who we went and practice. Because like, okay, like we get like hundred years and we have whole weekend to test out these principles, how we should teach IT.

That's what we did constantly. We spread the information to the youth. So we got the repetition in and then, okay, this works.

This doesn't work at all. So we tested IT on kids and kids loved IT. So definitely, we have been able to impact a one and we have also being able to go to volkers.

Uh, initially, we thought the tokay because there was a company in a steria who had subsidy companies outside and from esta, and we did one geek with them and they said, okay, we have four subsidy companies in the balkans. We want them to do IT again, they do the same thing. So we went to the first company.

We thought, okay, now it's estonians coming to poll guns like there's a cultural al difference most likely or stuff like that. So we did for straining IT was much Better than ecstasy. Ans are like stone people.

They have zero emotions. They don't ask any questions. They like, yeah not like not the very social people. I'm like not i'm not Normal, I say anymore. So we went there and now the first month was the best revenue ever like after experiment now the hate you, everyone, let's go. That's that's the story that's .

been repeated over over the best on front. Like some random person in one of the departments of the companies. Scroggs is together some money that, that he saved from some other project that they were doing brings in ashland on front.

And like the growth is there in the next thing you were working with the whole company, and that's that's just happen over and over and over again. So the fact that you're out there in europe be able to make this happen. And and again, you know it's like if we we say in the book extreme ownership, these are not new random like these are not principles that we created from dust.

These are things that we learned that were passed down to us, and they have been, so they've been tested over and over and over and over again. So IT really isn't that big of a surprise when a company here's the principles, takes the principles, implements of principles and they have their best their best profit, their best uh, engagement with their teams like the whole thing. So it's pretty awesome .

to say and that's just the thing what what we say that um if you like, we try to be an example because in in our opinion, like the best way how to like change our culture in estonia is to be a good citizen and do a great b and being a demonstrate that of those principles now i've always said like if we will fail all of what we have teached you doesn't work and that's why we initially, with Martin, like oka, every business book says that they should be like fifty one, forty nine IT ouldn't be fifty, fifty because there will be dispute and there we were problem.

And we will like, if we are not able to figure out the problem, then we are not supposed to do IT anyways. So let's posit in a situation where we have to do IT in the right, if not, then doesn't matter what we speak, IT doesn't work anyway. So don't listen to us.

Just look what we are doing. And we are moving in the right direction. We are doing the right things, and things happen.

And what's the ultimate goal?

Well, the ultimate goal is, first of all, to change the stone and culture and help people help you because I mean we are dealing with symptoms, which is the adults um we have to help the root course. I mean, there so much if I would have while I was in this school, if there was someone who actually would have given me and teach me some of those principles, I would be, would have been way Better of prepared for life.

So what do you want to do? We want to strengthen and our own culture. We want to have a nice place where we can live. And also we have to help about our neighbors or so we want to just, we want to make europe great.

I like IT.

man. Yeah so that's what we do.

And yeah that to speed yeah.

I think so.

So for people to find you um you guys are A W W W dot combat ready that E E uh on instagram, facebook linked in youtube, all those at combat ready you got your personal instagram which you are very apparently proud of ramoo so it's ramoo or yes a yes i'm going to i'm .

going to just say yes, yes and .

that so that spelled R E M O O J A S T E. That's where people can find you.

I think you is wanted to me to say that the way page should be europe dot combat really dot e because we are right of creating IT. Okay, but you can find IT from both places.

So what's Lewis's gram?

People want to check out this is a .

lw zaran at Lewis around. Yeah and does he do funny stuff on there to do leaders stuff on there?

Yeah, he's always funny.

I you always learning stuff, right? Yeah, like we teach these classes. You know you're always learning stuff I had I learned from you about, you know, decentralized command and the expansion of simplicity and the expansion of relationships and what which is which is something that i've talked about before.

But you were like a you know what desensitize gives you? IT is a culmination ation of, with all these things, time, very good, excEllent. So I learned that from you was an excEllent to learn. And in from Lewis, what I learned is echo Charles Louis, comedian sent over in the corner right now.

And he was given his brief and he said, hey, when there, there's a technique called the read back, if I want to make sure that echo Charles, hey, we need to show up tomorrow at seven o'clock in the morning. We need to be prep to record a pocket for people. Can you just make sure you, I made that clear.

Can you give me a read back and you ready for people? cool. So what lose pointed out was that you can use the read, like comedians use read backs, because IT gives you a second to think so if a hackler calls out, no.

And this is what I did. All okay, guys, this is a technic that he used a day. Burk is there, you know, IT. And so I said, like dave, like, you know, hackle me and Davis, like, you know, he's kind of like, what nice to do that like, say, you know something negative, what he goes like, who cut your hair? And I go and so I was, oh, read back because I got to think of a comeback.

Who cut your hair? And I said, who cut my hair? Your mother when you left my apartment boy but it's true like those little that's a little technique and it's it's technique that you use as a comedian. IT could be a technique that you use as a leader not just to make sure that you've confirmed someone's uh, comprehension of your information, but you if you do something I don't expect I can actually give you a read back to give me some time to think and to clarify that I understand what you're talking about, by the way and is actually he gave a whole like note about IT where you can like the read back itself, can be funny. No, I can miss read back your things.

I actually noticed that when comedian's do what we call crowd work, right, they do the read back. And how they use that is, they'll read IT back. By the way, they do IT to make IT sound funny.

Theyll just adjust their time here. And i'll be like one time might be like a way that sounded funny, but IT wasn't funny. That's when I noticed IT.

He was like, he will be like, a is like, what's your name? Oh, john, right in the crowding he'll be like what you do. He's like, you know, a manager at a tech company, a manager at any that company won't really saying, but I saw you. I know what he's doing is buying time. So you can think of this .

with the low. And read back is a form .

of dettingen.

That and also is a form of paradise ation. Because if you give me hundred words and I give you back ten words, what is that? I'm giving you the priority words .

that you received. yes. And are they correct? Yeah, there are all good points.

Learn all the time. Yeah, so yeah, that's what's the new website. Take one more time. Europe.

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Yeah i'm 是 是 uh， echo child's uni questions.

Yeah one question. What's the most everyone in a single poker game?

Um I want like fifteen thousand. Eo.

what's the euros? Two dollars million o .

IT like two hundred thousand crimes.

Did you walk away?

Um so what I did did was that that was like in I was I know eighteen and that's .

what .

they want and what I did we that money, of course nothing useful.

Think I think I I think I won like twenty seven hundred bucks in tahu and walked away like a boss and have like a kick last weekend I was twenty two years old leg, lets go I mean much money that was like a month worth pay a lot back in the day and I was like, I walk away like a boss. You don't want to play one more. No, i'm out. funny.

Funniest way how I want IT was like a like usually like he should be like, super concentrate traded, right? So what I was doing is that I had won a satellite ticket now for ten bugs, the buying hundred or something. So I was like thousand people tournament.

So I had to set up um on laptop. I had two and half men running the deep series on this train. IT was america's army.

I was playing that game. And then in this corner I had a poker uh like table open. So IT was actually like doing fourteen at the same time and I drink Jamie at same time.

So in the end of like I know five hours like cocky. Now there's only twenty five people left. I recognize that.

So then I said, okay, now sorry, sorry of my economic friends uh, I now have to go and concentrates, uh, on winning some money and they like, what what do you mean? Yeah I have been playing poke at the same time so i'm here like I already have one one thousand and I have a possibility to win like twenty five but the eventually will got second place and they were like, what and they're like, yeah so yeah, you can download that up into your computer. And as we are already having communication, I can start commenting you what i'm doing on that poker table.

And I think that was the only thing was, said me, because I had drank a lot already. So now I had to pretty much go every move and teach them, which made me cautious discipline. And eventually I got second place, I got some money, and I continued the poor lifestyle.

Anything else I have .

any question is really good stuff.

Remember any final thoughts?

yeah. I mean, just yeah. Thank you for writing those things. Thank you for leaving those principles.

Because if you didn't like, none of this would have worked. So thank you for telling me what to do in your book. So yeah, I mean, they were also right.

Um and we gna continue doing that. We would leave or we would, yeah, i'm just thirty, thirty five. So for the next thirty years we will career.

That's what I like to hear, man. Free and outstanding. Well, thanks for joining us.

Thanks for sharing your lessons on to obviously thank you your service and and thanks to your county men for their service supporting our light tubes in finding one side us and thanks what you're doing today you know, taking these principles, you know, you are a push job and you took a risk, and you are now making this happen. You're going to help kids. You are going to help parents.

You're gna help adults. You're going to help estonia. You're going to help europe. I'll standing keep again after a man. And with that, rao has left the building good to have some estonian special Operations forces in the building.

Mug there. There is a quick segment where he was talking about. He gave a brief before before they started come back convert.

He d gave a brief and he was like, he's OK that was the guy who maybe the line, the I who was giving the brief four, he was like that I was really good and he was like, I don't know what I said, but cool, you know, remember that? Yeah, yes. Yeah, there's what I think.

Here's what I suspect. I think he he knew what he said. He's been funny and and kind of humble. I think he knew what he said. I think he was just surprised that he was just like A I just said what I thought I knew, you know, which is nothing. You know, when you compared to like you know, when the real experts roll up and they're using jargon, they're doing the whole thing, the attracts and the big word and the cool stuff.

right?

And IT sounds good, but I think we all got get used to that after a while, right? Where IT sounds good, but it's like, man, I don't know, man, I should have took more notes. Maybe I don't know, you know, kind of a thing, but cool.

IT sounded good. And then when you get someone who just delivers IT, super simple and subsequently easy to understand here, like prd else, if king, great, like i'm the room of everything you said and we so ground breaking because IT all landed on my brain. no.

And another component there is he's give IT. IT was his first keynote in english. So what does that make you do? simple.

Fy, you so could do, yes, a short, brief. But everything's really simple, clear and concise. Don't landing, not using any big words, but using the good words that actually work. And the thing that he mentioned quite a few times, which awesome is like what the content is, it's the truth you know, as I said in that a thing the other day, like oh, why is the book extreme ownership popular? It's because of the truth yeah people read then they go yell, you know they are like it's kind of industry tiful yeah and it's written a way that people understand to go yeah I can understand .

this is so true because let's face IT, there are in there's a lot of books and just speeches and he noted and um you know experts with opinion to instead of just cheer like undisputed able truth they'll say like world inflaming things that have some level of truth but this is just a lot more to but they like to say really flaming ory for the attention you know that front end the front and attention kind of the thing but then at at times IT doesn't last or you build a reputation for just in inflaming things that have like many levels and areas or areas of dispute will say doesn't tend to last.

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i've never really can walk down that road before. You bet. I know that people do do that, but I have not done that. I have had one belt per rank.

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but not more. Somehow I don't have them anymore. My blue bell was awesome because I had IT for so long and I had done like old rigger types stuff for IT with the sole machine. I sold the black stripe on there, and like, I sold on myself, and I was like, magerful infinity quality. But if you need a bell or U A D joke.

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but this time, I mean, in, and you've have never .

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would IT be weird to like a person like me to wear those socks?

No, in fact, I and I designed and created those socks with you in my mind, because you have those lambing tricking socks that you wear. So if I give you these to actually can't warn from working out for working out, it's you good if you want, but be waste.

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Also, we have an an online training academy, which we received amazing feedback from rao, unsolicited feedback, just to tighten things up, you know, just pour into us with value. He felt bad about that. He he brought IT up a few times I on as he never saw and i'm sure that was good. Feedback probably got implemented yeah like probably someone on the front which was I call will make different .

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were saying but yeah fully but you're any but you're the thing in which I think he is kind of eluding kind hard core. It's kind of way you say where is like, right? You can remember that one.

I think it's up. So i'm pretty sure is one eighty four, maybe one sixty. Either way, we're talking about how like the information feedback um a plan or what when you can turn to convey message, you can just be have IT on the throw. You would be like a quote back remember my friend, my order by friend tim Carry where he was perfect. Is I like that you just jam IT to show her one how frequently he and fast he can throw is getting your fingers and everything tim Carried love he don't love IT love and he puts IT perfectly .

wherever you are. That's where he is.

He getting packed off because he's still a little bit more gentle part delivery now when to be seems saying but anyway.

I think that's what be a little ID like I got be it's like .

A D ah it's what .

you caught yourself you like being or through but you can like we're trying to may have fAllen out of parts of let's say um IT would be more .

like like a funny clown scenario let's say the the receiver ran the wrong out and you beam right and you throw IT to like you have an to and he in the looks too late and IT hits up in the head whatever it's like, yeah it's like I been big time but gunning IT means like I freak incipit IT as hard as I can sometimes it's appropriate but something I can just be gun in freking criticism for the academy seems saying I think that he felt you might have been doing that like after the fact no.

That's what I think yeah I feel like .

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