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497: Lessons About Human Will and Those Who Don't Break. "Combat Leadership at Iwo".

2025/7/2
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Jocko Willink
退休美国海军海豹队官员，畅销书作者，顶级播客主持人和企业家。
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Jocko Willink: 硫磺岛战役在美国和海军陆战队的历史中占有重要地位，其规模和残酷性是难以想象的。我对海军陆战队怀有敬意，并认为约瑟夫·H·亚历山大上校的文章《硫磺岛的战斗领导力》对我们所有人来说，都有关于意志、人类意志、突破点以及那些没有崩溃而是选择领导的人的教训。硫磺岛战役是海军陆战队历史上最血腥的战役，最终的胜利是由士兵用步枪和机枪赢得的，他们也为此付出了代价，以维护我们的自由。经历过一战的指挥官们在精神上已经为硫磺岛的残酷做好了准备。参加诺曼底登陆的大多数人没有作战经验，有无作战经验之间存在巨大差距。拥有经验的士兵从长远来看会更好。施密特将军的师在为硫磺岛进行的训练中强调了小部队行动，这对随后的局部战斗是一项很好的投资。基础突击队配备了火焰喷射器、火箭筒和炸药包，每个士兵都是经过高级专业训练的步枪手，这与塔拉瓦战役形成了鲜明对比。不能只让一个人知道如何操作火焰喷射器或设置炸药包，必须让每个人都学习所有的工作。熟悉战场上的各种事物非常重要，尤其是在与坦克协同作战时。士兵们应该像NASCAR维修站的工作人员一样，随时准备好修理车辆。每个士兵都必须熟悉所有武器系统，并能够晋升到更高级的领导岗位。在训练中，我们经常模拟人员伤亡，以便让其他人做好准备。

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The brutal legacy of the Battle of Iwo Jima—America’s bloodiest Marine Corps battle. Drawing from Marine Colonel Joseph H. Alexander’s powerful article Combat Leadership at Iwo Jima, they unpack the sheer scale, strategy, and human cost of the fight. Jocko highlights the critical role of combat experience, disciplined training, and small-unit leadership in surviving such savage conditions. The conversation also explores modern SEAL training, live fire exercises, and how simulated chaos prepares warriors for real-world battlefield mistakes—especially the deadly consequences of “blue-on-blue.” This is a sobering reflection on war, preparation, and the will to lead when it matters most. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/jocko-podcast/exclusive-content)