Jocko Underground: What Should I Do With My Professional Life?
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- This is the Jonco Underground Podcast number 154, sitting here with Echo Charles, and we have some questions from the troopers at this time. Let's get into it. - All right, first one. I'm a 28-year-old married male. For a long time, I've been trying to figure out what to do with my life, career-wise. My current job is intrinsically meaningful, but I feel it's not for me. I sit at a desk all day, and a big part of me feels I should be doing something more physical, a more physical job.

I mean, I'm in great shape and would like to be in a career where I can be more active and problem solve. My dad is a retired cop and my brother is a former Marine. I've considered a career in law enforcement for a long time. The sense of duty, camaraderie, and mission are attractive to me, but each time I get ready to pursue it, I have a bunch of mental roadblocks. Fears of how the day-to-day will affect me and my eventual family, the shift work, dangers, etc. all enter my mind.

I've thought about this for years and I can't tell if I'm coming up with excuses, holding myself back, or if that particular career is really not for me. I've struggled with accepting not having a quote-unquote badass job and find myself envious of those who pursue things like military, police, fire, etc. But I wonder if that is more of a fantasy I've created or if I need to stop with excuses and get after it. Any thoughts you and Echo have would be greatly appreciated.

so one thing i want to say is like we you don't hear a lot of information about for instance police that are perfectly fine you know what i mean like ptsd look do you do police get ptsd yep they do i did some quick you know research 35 of police get ptsd

Right. Now, normally it's only 7% of the population. So there's an increased chance, but there's also a bunch of police that don't get PTSD. You know what I'm saying? There's like 10% higher levels of stress and whatever, whatever,

Problems are associated with stress mental stress and and what that does to your health So there's like a 10% higher when you're for a police officer But there's a lot of police officers that are totally freaking normal. There's a lot of police officers that are like yeah. Oh, yeah Someone got shot today. It's what my job is. I did my best to process through it We've got the person that you know, I mean like there's people that get away with it or not or get on with it there's people that have squared away family lives that are police officers a lot and

Divorce rate is 2% lower than the national average for police officers. There you go. You always hear like the police are gonna okay Just a little reality check. So the percentages of some of those are look the PTSD thing is definitely higher but also like PTSD doesn't necessarily mean you have like a ruined life It just means you got some stuff you got to work through, you know, like you might get a

you know, you get some kind of a little injury. You gotta, oh, I can't do this certain part of the exercise. I gotta work my range of motion a little bit. I gotta warm up more, whatever. It's like, you just, it doesn't ruin your life 'cause you got a bum elbow. You know, you can't lock out your bench press. Okay, can't go as heavy as you used to, but you're still doing bad. You see what I'm saying? So we have to call it like it's the worst thing in the world. We figure out, police, military learn how to work through that stuff. Now, like, so here's my point here.

Surfers, people that surf, account for 38% of all shark attacks on the West Coast. 11% are swimmers, 46% are divers, and 5% are kayakers.

Now I surf, I swim, I dive and I kayak. I do all those things. Look, do I kayak a lot? No, but I have a kayak at my house and I will go out. I try not to dive anymore, but do I go out snorkeling and yeah, with my mask and fins out? Yes, I do. Swim. Do I love, do I swim a lot? No, but do I swim? Yeah. So I do all the surf of course. So I do all the things. I do all the things.

So even though there's a risk, 36% chance or a much higher risk for all the water activities I do of getting eaten by a shark, I don't care. And I still do it. Knock on wood. Hopefully I don't. But you see what I'm saying? There's risk in anything you do. Like you could, you know, jujitsu. What are the, I should have looked this up too. Like what are the, what are the injury rates in jujitsu? There's an injury rates in jujitsu. Guess what else there's injury rates in? Pick up basketball games.

You know what's a huge injury-causing sport right now? Pickleball. Pickleball. Huge injury-causing sport right now. A sport that's designed not to injure you. Little tiny court. Can't run very much. Not much of a bunch of lateral movement. But these people that haven't exercised very much, they're freaking getting aggro with their pickleball.

And they're getting injured. So regardless of what you do, there's some kind of risk. There's always going to be some kind of like quote unquote downside. But then what are the upsides, right? You can look at that. So here's what I'd do if I were you. I would weigh the risks a little bit. And one of the ways I would take a iterative step is go become a reserve police officer or go become a volunteer firefighter or join the army reserves or join the national guard and see what you think of it. You're only 28 years old.

You had all kinds of, you know, not all kinds of time, but you have time to go, oh, let me see what it's like being an army reservist. Let me go to bootcamp this summer. Let me go to AIT. Or maybe he has a degree. Maybe you can get some kind of a reserve officer commissioning, right? So do something. Or volunteer firefighter. I was a volunteer firefighter when I was a little kid, putting on Indian tanks and walking up and fighting brush fires. You get a feel for it. You can become a reserve police officer in some states. Cool.

Go figure that out. Go do a bunch of ride-alongs. Like, go check it out. And then see what you really think. Because that's what essentially this question is. Am I being like, do I really want it or not? Well, go see what it's really like. Get closer to it and figure it out. And I think that's a good iterative step. Go learn more. And then once you learn more, you go, oh, dang, I really like that volunteer firefighter. I really like doing that. Okay, cool.

Maybe you like being a police, you try the police thing, try doing a couple ride-alongs, and you're like, "Eesh, I didn't really like that." Or you do a firefighting thing and you go out and you do a bunch of ambulance runs for morbidly obese drug addicts that are throwing up all over themselves. You're like, "Well, I didn't really like that job as much as I thought I would." Or maybe you get to put out a car fire and you're like, "Yo, that was cool." Maybe you watch these firefighters go out and get after it in a building, like they saved Victory MMA.

went out and fought that fire. So maybe you'll get fired up or maybe you'll join the army reserves and you'll go and be like, dude, I'm glad I'm only reservist 'cause I don't wanna do that for a living. Or maybe you're like, I'm ready to go active duty. So that's what I would do. I would also train jujitsu. Just saying, it doesn't sound like you train jujitsu. And the last thing is, I would say this, if you don't like what you're doing as a job, I would find an exit strategy. Like you're 20 years old, don't spend the rest of your life

eight hours a day, five days a week doing something that you don't like. To me, that doesn't sound like a good plan. You say it's intrinsically meaningful and if that's good enough, okay, cool. If it's something that like, oh, as you get older, you can pick up some hobbies on the outside and you'll still enjoy it and you still get to, you know, let's say your desk job is you're finding things

Helping raise money for kids that are sick like okay, you're doing that from a desk job But you're doing something really cool and that's great and it makes you feel like you're accomplishing something keep doing it and go figure some physical stuff on the part-time But if you actually don't like your job, don't don't keep doing it man. Don't keep doing it That's what I got doesn't sound like he has a family there's cuz it's something about future family, right? Don't have a family yet. Take some risks. Why you don't have a family? Well, you don't have a mortgage to pay and mouths to feed That's that's my

Yep. No family yet. He's married. Okay. But yeah. Do you think, because I feel like this is natural, but do you think that this and kind of it being a common thing where it's like, you know, the whole the grass is always greener kind of a thing? Oh, yeah. Grass is always greener. I'll feel like that every once in a while. Okay. We were doing a video shoot the other day. You were part of this video shoot downtown. Yep, yep.

I'm driving home from the video shoot. And remember Casey Ryan, Spider Monkey? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's a cop now, by the way. Oh, is he really? Yes. Oh, that's cool. You don't want to get rolled up. Actually, you do want to get rolled up by him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Very capable. Yeah, very capable. Physically. And a very nice guy, in my experience. So anyway, I'm driving home. I see a bunch of cops handling business. Casey Ryan's there. No kidding. He's on the thing. Yeah, I see him. Right? Yeah.

First time I seen them in uniform. So I'm like, okay, cool. You know, obviously I don't like bother or nothing, but I seen them and they're just, you know, that just that look, that whole scene, you know, it's like, bro, those are, they're handling business. I'm coming from a silly video shoot. Look, it was a great video shoot. I get it. But when you kind of compare in the moment, you start to see like, oh my gosh, they, that, that job, what Casey Ryan and all his freaking colleagues are doing is,

Is way more meaningful than my video shoot that I just did. You know, it's like you feel that in the moment. So it's like that's an example of like in the moment, the grass is always greener. Like they're doing something way more cool, way better. They're solving problems and crimes and stuff. And I'm over here pressing freaking record on a thing. You know, it's like different. But at the same time, it's like you kind of got to look at the big picture a lot of the time, you know, and I think that's

I think that this guy might be doing that only because he says it's intrinsically meaningful. And then he's looking at the badassness of something else, you know, and whatever. Yeah. But that is kind of a bummer if you don't ever get to experience that other thing. Yeah. If that, I could see that. That could be, that could end up being a bummer. I have a, when my son was like little. And when I say little, I mean between the ages of like six and 18. Sure. If there was something going on in the hood, in our neighborhood, like,

Ambulances fire trucks, whatever. Yeah, like he was getting on his bike to go check it out and I was going with him, right? Yeah, and Guess what? He's gone like he's you know, he doesn't live at home anymore Fire trucks a boots this habit. I'm on my bike go to check it out. I'm a grown man. Yeah, I'm 53 years old so that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko underground podcast so if you want to continue to listen and

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