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Narcissists: Are We Surrounded?

2024/12/19
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Lee Hammock: 我是一名被临床诊断为自恋型人格障碍的社交媒体影响者。八年前,我通过网络搜索了解到自恋型人格障碍,并意识到自己符合相关症状。我儿时缺乏同理心,对他人受伤漠不关心。现在,我作为一名影响者,分享关于自恋及其应对方法的经验,帮助人们更好地理解和应对自恋。我的自恋倾向源于强烈的‘感觉特殊’的驱动力,这让我渴望被记住和留下印记,对平庸感到恐惧。然而,这种驱动力并不总是带来快乐,我同时患有抑郁症和焦虑症,对批评非常敏感,难以释怀。通过心理治疗,我逐渐学会控制自己的行为,虽然仍然是自恋者,但我能够更好地管理自己的情绪和行为。 Wendy Zuckerman: 本节目探讨了自恋的科学解读与应对策略。我们采访了自恋者Lee Hammock,以及心理学教授W. Keith Campbell、Kali Trzesniewski和Craig Malkin。我们讨论了自恋流行病的说法,以及如何识别和应对生活中的自恋者。 Rose Rimler: 自恋分为病理性自恋和普通自恋两种类型。研究表明,1979年至2006年间,大学生群体中的自恋程度有所上升,但近期的研究表明,自恋程度可能在下降。对‘自恋流行’的说法存在争议,部分学者认为其可能存在确认偏差。病理性自恋的核心是强烈的‘感觉特殊’的驱动力,这会以牺牲他人为代价。自恋型人格障碍的诊断标准包括夸大自我、需要赞美和缺乏同理心。许多自恋者患有抑郁症和焦虑症。目前没有治愈自恋型人格障碍的药物,心理治疗是主要的治疗方法。与自恋者相处,应关注自身感受和关系是否健康,而非其诊断结果。 W. Keith Campbell: 2000年前后的文化转变,例如真人秀节目的兴起,可能导致了人们自恋程度的提高。 Kali Trzesniewski: 一项针对高中生的长期研究并未发现自恋程度的显著上升,对‘自恋流行’的说法持怀疑态度,认为其可能存在确认偏差。 Craig Malkin: 病理性自恋的核心是强烈的‘感觉特殊’的驱动力,这会以牺牲他人为代价。他提出了几种应对策略,例如同理心提示和捕捉善意,以及灰石策略。

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The internet tells us that narcissists are everywhere — and that the problem is only getting worse. It’s like narcissism is oozing out of our celebrities, politicians, partners, parents, maybe even ourselves?? So today, we’re taking a long look in the mirror to find out: are we all a bunch of narcissists? And what should we do if we think someone in our life is a narcissist? We find out by talking to a real narcissist, Lee Hammock of the social media platform “The Self Aware Narcissist” as well as psychologists Prof. W. Keith Campbell, Prof. Kali Trzesniewski, and Dr. Craig Malkin. 

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United States: US National Suicide Prevention Lifeline) Dial 988 (Online chat available); US Crisis Text Line) Text “HOME” to 741741

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Canada: Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention) (See link for phone numbers listed by province)

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Find our transcript here: https://bit.ly/ScienceVsNarcissism

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Lee’s Ratatouille Moment

(07:06) The Narcissism Test

(15:53) Are We In a Narcissism Epidemic?

(25:41) It Kind of Sucks to be a Narcissist 

(31:55) Narcissists in Therapy

(35:11) How to Deal With a Narcissist in Your Life

This episode was produced by Rose Rimler, with help from Wendy Zukerman, Michelle Dang, Meryl Horn, and Ekedi Fausther-Keeys. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell. Mix and sound design by Sam Bair. Fact checking by Erica Akiko Howard. Music written by Peter Leonard, Emma Munger, So Wylie, Bumi Hidaka, and Bobby Lord.Thanks to all the researchers we spoke to for this episode, including Dr. Igor Weinberg,  Dr. April Ilkmen, Dr. Jennifer Gerlach, Dr. Betsy Edershile, Prof. Brad Bushman, Prof. Brent Donnellan, Prof. Chris Barry,  Dr. Glenn Geher, and Winkie Ma. Special thanks to Rachel Humphries for editing help. And big thanks to everyone who helped us this season! Jack Weinstein, Hunter, Chris Suter, Oscar, Elise, Dylan, the Zukerman family and Joseph Lavelle Willson.

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