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I'm Shannon Breen. Legal showdown. President Trump fights to keep his agenda on track after a wave of setbacks from federal judges.

We have very bad judges. These are judges that shouldn't be allowed. President Trump's standoff with the judicial branch over his moves to downsize government and to deport large groups of immigrants both with and without legal status. We break it down and how it might ultimately play out at the U.S. Supreme Court and what it means for the balance of power then.

Russia launches large-scale drone attacks on a critical Ukrainian port city, sparking new uncertainty ahead of another round of peace talks this week. U.S. Envoy Steve Witkoff previews the high-stakes negotiations and...

We need a Democratic Party that fights harder for us. This is playing into their hands. The Democrat Party's identity crisis deepens and voters are taking notice. You are not fighting. Rising star in the Democratic Party, Maryland Governor Wes Moore, joins us exclusively to talk about the growing frustration. Plus...

A string of arson attacks targeting Tesla vehicles coast to coast in protest of Doge and Elon Musk. We have charged multiple people. Get ready. More coming. Our Sunday panel on the fallout as political violence ramps up across America. All right now on Fox News Sunday.

Hello from Fox News in Washington. We began with a quick look at some of your headlines. A short time ago, Pope Francis making his first public appearance in five weeks after a life-threatening case of pneumonia. The 88-year-old Pontiff offering a Sunday blessing from the terrace of his hospital before heading home to the Vatican.

The Israeli army, releasing video it says, shows troops in northern Gaza on a mission to target Hamas infrastructure. In southern Gaza, airstrikes overnight reportedly killed a Hamas official and at least two dozen others.

and Russia launching a major drone attack on the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, killing at least three people. Now, that comes just hours before U.S.-mediated talks are set to begin in Saudi Arabia about a partial ceasefire. In a moment, we'll talk to U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, who's played a major role in getting things to this point where he says real progress is being made. But first, we turn to Lucas Tomlinson at the White House. Hello, Lucas.

Shannon, President Trump returned here to the White House last night after watching the NCAA wrestling championships where he faces legal challenges here and also legal challenges and foreign policy challenges abroad. This judge is radical left judge. He should be saying, why did Biden allow these criminals in our country? That's what he should be doing.

It's not just a handful of judges concerned about the president's use of executive actions. A new Fox News poll shows nearly seven in ten are concerned they may permanently alter the country's system of checks and balances. That's similar to how voters felt about Obama's use of executive actions in 2014. And 65 percent of those polled are concerned not enough planning has gone into the government's spending cuts.

led by Trump and Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency, better known as DOGE.

Despite a call between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Russian missile and drone strikes continue on Ukraine. Putin rejected an immediate 30-day ceasefire, something Ukraine's president said he would be willing to do. I don't see any indication that Putin's strategic objective has been altered in any way. After two months, the ceasefire in Gaza has ended after Israel launched new airstrikes this week against Hamas after talks broke down.

One American hostage remains captive, along with dozens of others. American airstrikes against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen have continued over the past week. Trump vowed they will be completely annihilated to reopen vital shipping lanes and called on Iran to end its arms shipments to the terrorist group. A second aircraft carrier has been ordered to the region.

The Houthis say they are now at war with the United States. Shannon? All right. Lucas Tomlinson at the White House, thank you very much. Joining us now, U.S. Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff. He's also been taking part in those talks between Ukraine and Russia on behalf of the White House. Welcome to Fox News Sunday.

Thank you, Shannon. Thanks for having me. So we know more talks are set to go between Ukraine and Russia and Saudi Arabia tomorrow. And yet we continue to see these attacks like we've seen in Odessa, like we've seen in Kiev, leading to death and destruction. The ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Gene Shaheen, says this. When Trump asked for the killing to stop, Putin refused. Putin does not want peace. And it is time for the president to realize that. Are you convinced he wants peace?

I feel that he wants peace. The president had two very productive calls this week or last week, I should say, one with President Zelensky, one with President Putin.

I was in I sat and listened to both of them in both conversations. It was all about a lasting peace. Lots of progress got made last week. The parties agreed to a an energy infrastructure moratorium on attacks for energy infrastructure.

I think that you're going to see in Saudi Arabia on Monday some real progress, particularly as it affects a Black Sea ceasefire on ships between both countries. And from that, you'll naturally gravitate into a full on shooting ceasefire.

OK, you have said recently you don't quote. I don't regard Putin as a bad guy. You've said you feel like you can negotiate with him. But here's how the National Review describes him. They said he's a tyrant who murders, maims and imprisons his critics, who has abolished civil society and independent media in Russia.

who has invaded a neighbor, engulfing that country in violence for the purpose of crushing and subjugating it. Goes on to say that Russian forces have committed mass kidnapping, torture, rape and murder under Putin's guidance and leadership. So where do you get to that assessment about him not being a bad guy?

You know, Shannon, I met with President Putin twice at the direction of the president because everything I do is at his direction. And they were productive meetings. We accomplished quite a bit. We opened channels of communication.

President Putin told me at the first meeting that he had had no conversation with the prior administration, in particular President Biden, for three and a half years. I'm not sure how anyone would expect an end to a conflict when you're not communicating. So we had a very, very good conversation, productive. We discussed conversations.

real ways to end this conflict. That led to a second conversation, first conversation being close to three and a half hours, second conversation being in that time, in that space as well, three and a half or four hours. That led to a green...

By the end of the second conversation, we had proposals on an energy infrastructure ceasefire and a Black Sea moratorium on firing on each other's ships. And these things had been on the shelf for several years.

I think that's commendable on the part of all of the parties. And this is President Trump's direction. His philosophy of peace through strength brings people to the table to clear up misconceptions and to get peace deals done. And that's exactly what's happening right now. Do you feel like there's a misconception, though, about the characterization of him as a tyrant or someone whose political opponents often disappear or die?

I think in my 68 years on this earth, I've never, ever seen a situation where there isn't two sides to a story. It's just never as black and white as people want to portray. So there are grievances on both sides. But our job and at the direction, again, I stress of the president,

Our job is to narrow the issues, bring the parties together, and stop the killing. That's the game plan. And that's what we're all there to do. And I think that we're doing a pretty effective job of it. And I think you'll see a lot more progress get announced after Monday. You seem convinced that he doesn't want to expand the territory beyond what he's taken now. I know there's going to be conversation about how much of that Ukraine does or doesn't get back.

But you're convinced that he's not going to go further or have aspirations towards Europe. Obviously, they're concerned about that being much closer to this geographically. But 2014, we had Crimea. That hasn't come back. Why? And he's, you know, gone far beyond that in this most recent attack on Ukraine. So why are you convinced that he won't press further if he's given some reward or some territory this time around?

Well, look, he's been at war for several years. It's in large part been about those five regions. And it's in his speeches. There is a view within the country of Russia that these are Russian territories, that there are referendums everywhere.

Within these territories that justify these actions, this is not me taking sides. I'm just identifying what the issues are. I don't I've never seen a conflict that can be resolved without level setting the facts and these and we're level setting the facts. Now, I've been asked my my opinion.

So about what what President Putin's motives are on a larger scale. And I simply have said that I just don't see that he wants to take all of Europe. This is a much different situation than it was in World War Two. In World War Two, there was no NATO.

So I just you have countries that are armed there. I just to me, it just it just I take him at his word in this sense. So and I think the Europeans are beginning to come to that belief, too. But it sort of doesn't matter. That's an academic issue. The real issue here, the agenda set forth by President Trump. He is my boss and I adhere to that fact.

The agenda is stop the killing, stop the carnage. Let's end this thing. You can't end things without communicating with both sides, understanding what each of them need, and then trying to bring them together. And that's what we're doing. Yeah, and we certainly hope that there's great progress in those talks this week getting to this point and now moving forward. But I want to make sure while we have you that we ask about the Middle East, where I know you've poured your heart into those negotiations as well.

Clearly, the ceasefire is broken there. I know that you've said Hamas has been unreasonable in trying to respond to another round of the next phase of a ceasefire. Where do we go from here? What are the odds you get them back to the table and get these hostages home?

Well, I certainly hope we get everybody back to the table and get the hostages home. I was in Doha. I met with many of the Arab leaders at the Arab summit. I thought we had a deal, an acceptable deal. I even thought we had an approval from Hamas.

Maybe that's just me getting, you know, duped. But I thought we were there, and evidently we weren't. So this is on Hamas. The United States stands with the state of Israel. There's just – that's a 100 percent commitment. And we've expressed that. Hamas had every opportunity to –

to demilitarize, to accept the bridging proposal that would have given us a 40- or 50-day ceasefire where we could have discussed demilitarization and a final truce. There were all kinds of opportunities to do that, and they elected not to.

And this becomes the alternative. And it is unfortunate. Do I think if would we be amenable to a reach out from Hamas? Of course we would be no different than in the Russian conflict. We want to end the killing.

But we need to be clear who the aggressor is here, and that is Hamas. And quickly, I want to ask you before you go about Iran. The president has sent a letter to the supreme leader there giving a timetable for negotiations over their nuke program. Two months. What happens if you get to the end of the two months without progress?

Well, this follows exactly the talking points that me and you have just gone over in Russia, Ukraine, in the Middle East, and now Iran. Again, our direction, the president made a very, very big move, in my view. It was to reach out to Iran. There are many out there who would have thought that Iran, in their position, would have reached out to us.

But we weren't waiting, and it's not a sign of weakness. It's a sign of strength. We don't need to solve everything militarily. It's not to say that if, gosh, if, God forbid, we're pushed to that point, that we're not going to use military action. We would under certain circumstances. But here we're giving where our signal to Hamas, to Iran is, let's sit down and see if we can, through dialogue, through diplomacy...

get to the right place. If we can, we're prepared to do that. And if we can't, the alternative is not a great alternative. And I need to be clear so everybody understands President Trump's position on this. Iran cannot have a bomb. We cannot allow them to proceed to weaponization and a nuclear arsenal. It cannot happen and it will not happen.

Well, you've got several difficult assignments. We know the president has great confidence in you, and we wish you all the best in making progress on these really difficult foreign policy challenges. Steve Witkoff, thank you. Thank you, Shannon. Up next, our expert panel of attorneys join us to break down the big legal challenges the president is facing. And later, Maryland Democratic Governor Wes Moore on his deeply divided party's future. And what about the people pointing to him as a solution?

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We all know that. I never did defy a court order. And you wouldn't in the future. No, you can't do that. So another week, another round of legal challenges to President Trump's busy agenda from Doge efforts to deportations. Democrats are making full use of the only leverage they really seem to have to try to slow down the president, which is the courts.

How quickly will some of these cases go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court? Well, let's bring in our legal panel. Ilya Shapiro, Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow and Director of Constitutional Studies. And Tom Dupree, former Principal Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General during the George W. Bush administration. Great to have you back with us.

Okay, so let's talk about this idea of these nationwide injunctions. You've got hundreds of federal district court judges, and any one of them right now can put all kinds of things on hold. A number of the justices have expressed concern about this. Something from Justice Thomas in a 2018 decision at concurrency said, I'm skeptical that district courts have the authority to enter universal injunctions if their popularity continues.

This court must address their legality. A 2020 concurrence from Justice Gorsuch said, by their nature, these injunctions tend to force judges into making rushed, high-stakes, low-information decisions. A single loss and the policy goes on ice, possibly for good. Ilya, will they win?

rule is it time have they gotten to this conversation now it's it's more than time for the supreme court to give guidance not just putting an end to it necessarily in certain cases you can imagine you only only want one policy for the whole government let's see a restriction on travel you can have different rules for customs in jfk airport versus lax but the the appeals have to be accelerated supreme court my need to step in at the end of the day i like the idea of having a three judge panel this wouldn't require new legislation congress

But if you're challenging a nationwide program, there should be more than one judge involved. Well, and it's not just those two justices who've spoken about it. Here's Justice Kagan back in 2022. You look at something like that and you think that can't be right. In the Trump years, people used to go to the Northern District of California. And in the Biden years, they go to Texas. And it just can't be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks.

Yeah, and she said, and leave it stopped for years that it takes to go through this normal process. It turns into this form of shopping exercise. That's exactly it, Shannon. And look, I don't say this often, but Justice Kagan is exactly right here. Tom Dupree, Justice Kagan is exactly right. I'm going on the record. She nailed it, Shannon, because here's the thing.

thing is that what we have seen and we're seeing right now is the liberal playbook is you basically want to stop a Trump policy cold. What you do is you search around to find the judicial district and possibly even the judge that you can shop for who is likeliest to issue that nationwide injunction. I don't think that's a good thing for our legal system. And that's why I do think it makes sense to at least consider possible different approaches where you would get a small group of judges, a

handle of judges to make what is a hugely momentous decision. Well, through all of this, there's been a lot of frustration and some of the president's supporters have said in the president, maybe we need to impeach some of these judges. So the chief justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, said this Monday, for more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision. The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose. Tom, he doesn't offer

and say things like this publicly. He does not. And look, that language he used, that it is not appropriate for Chief Justice, mild-mannered Chief Justice Roberts, that is like an expression of fury. That's like tweeting in all caps. It is. It is all caps version saying it's not appropriate. And look,

I think politically impeachment is just a super, super heavy lift, right? You would have to get to two thirds of the Senate. That's never going to happen in this context. I think the right approach is actually the one that President Trump himself said in that interview clip you played, is that if you don't like a judicial decision, I think it's perfectly fair to criticize the substance of that decision. Judges are fair game for criticizing their decisions. And then you appeal it to the higher courts. You go to the Court of Appeals and if necessary, to the Supreme Court of the United States. That's the best route, not impeachment.

Okay, so Sean Davis, who's the co-founder and CEO of The Federalist, said this on X in responding to Chief Justice Roberts. He said, What do you make of that, Ilya?

I think that's generally right. The Supreme Court needs to rein in some of these temporary restraining orders, TROs, which are, you talk about regular process, TROs aren't supposed to be appealable in the first place. And yet we have TROs issued about spending billions of dollars on things like this. So Roberts had the opportunity a couple of times already, some of these have gone to the court, and the court has not given further guidance to the low court judges. So whether you agree with what Roberts said or not, I think in terms of actually affecting the process...

I think if he had a firmer reign, then indeed there would be less of this kind of chaos and both sides questioning the legitimacy of the judiciary. OK, one of the hottest debates has been over the use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport people. Last weekend, there were these plane loads of Venezuelans who left. The administration said these are gang members. It was time for them to go. They went to the Salvadoran prison. But a legal filing for the attorneys for those deported Venezuelans says this.

If the president can designate any group as enemy aliens under the act and that designation is unreviewable, then there's no limit on who can be sent to a Salvadoran prison or any limit on how long they will remain there.

Well, there are, as we've learned from the Mahmoud Khalil case and other people being arrested for engaging in various protests that violate the immigration rules about who can stay, what qualifies you or disqualifies you for a visa. Same thing for gang members. If you're designated as a group that is against our national interests,

The Alien Enemies Act is an old law. It's only been used during wartime, but the law is the law, and it states plainly what's going on. So there's been a lot of skirmishing over whether the plane was already in the air, had it departed our airspace and what have you. But on the substance, I think the administration is within its powers, certainly with illegal aliens, but even with those...

on visas to pull those if there's an administrative determination. Judge Boasberg says he's going to get to the bottom of those planes and when they left and hold people accountable, that's still being ironed out. But to this issue of whether or not everybody on that plane was a gang member, because there are family members who've come forward, as they would, to say...

They've been caught up wrongfully in this whole thing. But Wall Street Journal reports this. ICE officials say they vetted each Venezuelan taking court records, interviews with suspected members, surveillance and other evidence into account. Quote, ICE did not simply rely on social media posts, photographs of the alien displaying gang hand related gestures or tattoos alone. That's from an acting immigration official.

Where do we go from here, Tom? Well, a few points, Shannon. Number one is I would say, look, there's no question that these people got more due process in the United States than they would have in probably almost any other country in the world. Second point is that I start with the text of the Constitution when you're talking about the president's powers.

And when the president is acting under his commander-in-chief authority or his power to direct the United States foreign relations, he is at the peak of his powers. Does that mean that judges have zero role to play? Maybe not. It's possible. You could say judges must review the threshold decision as to whether there's been a predatory incursion and whether he properly invoked his powers. But there's no question that the president has a strong hand to play here. He is acting within very broad authority conferred by Congress under the Alien Enemies Act. OK, so quickly, we have several questions.

rulings that deal with probationary employees or people who've been fired, bringing them back or stopping the firings. It seems to me there's some language in some of these rulings that says maybe Doge and Elon Musk can't do it, but maybe the agency heads or the president more directly can do this.

I think that's right. You can do it at some point in some way. So the only question here is whether administration lawyers have crossed the T's and dotted the I's. There's no law in the book saying once employees are hired, you can't get rid of them unless they commit some sort of malfeasance. You can have reduction in force and layoffs and all of these sorts of things. So I'm confident that sooner or later this will all get sorted out, whether it's Elon, whether it's Trump, whether it's Trump directing one of Elon's campaigns.

colleagues or what have you. Quick final word, Tom. I think ultimately the president is going to be very successful in reducing the size of the federal government. Whether or not they have to do a do-over as to particular employees that were fired and say the president has to do it, not Elon Musk, maybe. But the president is ultimately going to get where he wants to go with the reduction in force. All right. We may have to keep you two on retainer because there's going to be a lot to discuss. Thank you very much for being in here today. Thank you.

All right, Democrats facing the wrath of their constituents who think they should be getting much tougher when it comes to the president. So many Democrats feel like their party is his side. None of this feels like you're fighting for us, for Colorado, for our kids, for our grandkids. Well, Maryland Governor Wes Moore is here to react to the mounting frustration within his party. He's live with us next. Progressive.

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The Democrats divide on full display in town hall meetings across the nation as the party struggles to find a clear message. Madeline Rivera is here with the very latest on that. Hello, Madeline. Good morning, Shannon. Democrats are struggling with no clear figure to lead the party, and their troubles show no signs of abating as they receive a beating from their base.

When it comes to fighting these fights, we need you to be a little bit less polite. Democrats hoping to go on offense on the Trump administration's cuts are now on defense. Angry constituents berating them at town halls, accusing them of being too passive. We want you to show some of the backbone and strategic brilliance that Mitch McConnell would have in the minority.

It's the latest blow for a party already struggling to dig out of a hole. A Fox News poll shows only about 30 percent of voters approve of Democrats in Congress, their lowest number in more than a decade. The downturn driven partly by their base's frustration.

New York Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders say this should be the face of the resistance. The two progressive lawmakers are on a tour of Western states, promising to win back the working class by taking on billionaires. Trump handed the keys of government to Elon Musk and is selling the country for parts to the richest people on the planet. It's not just about Republicans. We need a Democratic Party that fights harder for us.

The outrage over Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's decision to help pass a GOP funding bill spilling over into these rallies. But in a sign of how divided Democrats are, Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman is criticizing AOC, saying on this ex-post, Michigan Senator Elisa Slotkin is also backing a more measured approach.

I can't do what she does because we live in a purple state and I'm a pragmatist. Some voters are warning of trouble for Democratic incumbents in 2026. The anger potentially reminiscent of 2010 when the Tea Party movement swept Washington. Shannon.

Madeline Rivera, thank you very much here in Washington. OK, joining me now also in Washington, Maryland, Democratic Governor Westmore. Good to have you back, Governor. Great to be back. Thank you. OK, so I want to play a little bit more. This woman appears to be a constituent of yours in Maryland. This is that very heated town hall that Democratic Congressman Glenn Ivey had. Here's a little bit of what she had to say. I'm going to answer this question. I'm going to answer this question.

I'm going to answer his question. You're not going to get me upset. And they have the right. They have the right. They have the right to ask. They have the right to ask questions. They have the right to ask questions. Clearly, you can hear the frustration there. Axios reports that one House Democrat called a colleague crying and saying they hate us. They hate us.

What is the message for people like this woman who I think is a constituent of yours who feels so frustrated at this point? I think people are angry and they're scared. And frankly, they're justified because I think this is the same frustration that I think people came out last November where I think people were looking for a solution.

I think people were looking for disruption. I think they've gotten destruction. And I think that's the thing that is making people so scared. I mean, we we've continued to go all around the state of Maryland. I was just up in Frederick County this past week, which is a purple area in the state of Maryland at a federal job fair.

where we were helping federal workers who have been laid off now find new jobs. And I remember speaking with one guy, a guy named Steve, who told me he voted for me and he's a Republican. And he said that he has not told his children that he's been laid off. So every single morning he still gets up and puts on his suit.

So his kids don't have to know that he's gotten laid off. People are angry. They are scared. They are frustrated. They have a reason to be. And that's why I think the answer is not about our rhetoric, not about what's the pitch that we're making our argument in. You've got to deliver results. You've got to make it easier for people right now. You've got to be able to put more money in their pockets. You have to make things more affordable. If we can do that, then I think you're actually answering the calls and the cries that people have right now.

And obviously in our area, that impact on federal workers is very pronounced because so many, I mean, hundreds of thousands of people in this area, that is their job. And yet President Trump is at the highest approval rating he's had in our Fox News polling and many other polls that are out there as well. So there are clearly a lot of people in the country who said they wanted disruption. Our Fox News voter analysis showed that clearly, but they like what they're seeing.

Well, I think people see Donald Trump that he was a vehicle for the frustration. But he is now, he's a vessel for the frustration, but he's not really a vehicle for the solution. Because I think what people are now seeing is when you're watching, for example, like what we've seen in the state of Maryland, the impacts...

of things like Elon Musk's doge, the impact of watching thousands of federal workers losing their jobs, the impact of the tariffs and the trade wars that's now making it more expensive for our farmers on the eastern shore or our restaurant owners in western Maryland or the port workers, the dock workers who are actually losing work because of these high tariffs that are now being put on some of our friends and our allies. And when they're losing hours, they're losing money. So I think that's what people are seeing and the frustration that people also continue to feel. So there's this

point about tariffs, do you give the president any credit on that front when it comes to negotiations? We've seen countries show up. We've seen leaders show up, call, go to Mar-a-Lago. They want to make a deal now. We've seen Mexico say, we're going to step up and help you with the border, where the numbers have dropped over 90 percent when it comes to illegal crossings. And we've seen others say that they're going to change their own economic progress,

practices with respect to us, too. We've seen companies say they're going to onshore and locate in the U.S. because they want to avoid those tariffs. So do you give the president some credit for the benefits that seem to come with these tariff threats? Yeah, I think tariffs are an important tool in the economic toolkit. But I think they're a tool and not an ideology. And I think the thing we have to remember with tariffs is what businesses are looking for is basic predictability.

You tell me what the situation is. I can adjust. And remember, before I came into the elected office, I was in the military and I was a businessman. And I knew that what I wanted was basic predictability. I needed to know what I was going to have to work with. The challenge was not just the arbitrary and almost politicized use of tariffs.

And also how how how whipshot the use of tariffs have been, where it's this number versus that number. It's not giving our businesses any form of predictability. And particularly when it's being done with some of our largest trade partners in the state of Maryland. We do over three billion dollars worth of trade with Canada alone in our state alone. We need to have some kind of predictability, because if not, it's not just hurting businesses. It's also hurting our workers.

Okay, well, they do seem to be causing some movements in the atmosphere. And we'll see as we're getting to this April 2nd deadline as well. I want to ask you more about the party and where you go from here. You've got these competing factions, the old guard that seems a little bit more moderate. You've got the progressives who say this is the way to go. Axios says you talk to 20 Democrats and you're going to find each one of them has a different theory of why Democrats lost the 2024 election and sent the party into a spiral. It's why it matters now.

It's hard to win if you don't know why you lost. And one of the theories that they dig into is young men. There was a swing there were voters for President Trump, almost 30 points this time around. They feel like Democrats don't see them, don't have a plan for them. And President Trump does. I think that frustration is real. You know, I remember when when when I was first running for governor, you know, I was one of these young men where I handcuffed my wrist by the time I was 11 years old.

You know, I was I joined the military when I was 17. My mother had to sign the paperwork when I first joined. And it was one of the core reasons why we in Maryland just launched a major initiative around young men and boys and understanding what's happening, because for so many young men, they feel like we're being spoken about, but we're not being spoken to.

And so we've got to put a greater focus on what is happening and the challenge that we're seeing amongst young men and boys. The data is staggering about how young men and boys continue to fall off the charts. We have to understand that if we are doing things like what we're doing in Maryland, which is focusing on things like having increased parental leave and paternity leave, making sure we're getting more men involved in education as teachers, more men in health care, making sure that we're doing things like raising wages and supporting our young boys who have been involved in the juvenile justice system to let them know that does not have to be their life.

that they can have a way to turn things around. It's not just going to help them. It's going to help the families that we're hoping that they will lead as well. I want to ask you about another thing that's particular to Maryland but has broader implications too, which was just about a year out from the Key Bridge incident in which a container vessel hit the Key Bridge. It collapsed. Six people were killed. This week, the NTSB said that there had been numerous warnings that the safety assessment on the bridge that they called for had not been done. Here's a bit of the NTSB chair.

Had they ran the calculation on the Francis Scott Key Bridge, the MDTA would have been aware that the bridge was almost 30 times greater than the risk threshold AASHTO sets for critical essential bridges. 30 times greater.

She says that the assessment had been done, that collapse could have been prevented. And she says it still hasn't been done on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, another big bridge through Maryland. Yeah, well, I mean, you're right where Wednesday is going to mark the year anniversary of one of the most tragic moments in our state's history.

And where we lost six Marylanders, where 13 percent of our economy was immediately shut down. And it was the sole fault of the Dali and the sole fault of the reckless operators. But you don't think the assessment about the bridge's capability to handle that traffic and something like that factored in? Well, no, I think if you look at the Key Bridge, the Key Bridge has passed every single federal assessment for for literally over 30 years.

And so the federal highway administration and the federal government had claimed and continue to state that the key bridge was not the issue. The issue, and I was speaking with the former transportation secretary about it, the issue was that we had a ship the size of three football fields. That when you have a ship at that size moving at that speed, and what he told me was there wasn't a bridge in the country that could have taken that impact.

And so when you look at the reckless behavior of the Dali, that's the sole reason for it. But I also know that protecting our bridges is the highest of priorities. We've put over $170 million in the past 10 years alone into protecting things like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Since the Key Bridge happened, I actually authorized an additional $160 million going into protection of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. And so that is a bridge that...

That has passed every single federal guideline for over 30 years in addition to the Key Bridge. But when you watch the reckless behavior from what we saw, the dolly and how that ship, that size, that speed slammed into the Key Bridge. That's what caused this damage and that's what caused this tragedy in our state. Okay, so this assessment that NTSB says needed to happen hasn't happened on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge either. Will that happen?

Yeah, we've been completely cooperating with the NTSB and we'll continue to continue to cooperate. And what they did mention, though, is that it wasn't just that. They were actually putting out a siren call to Congress saying there are over 60 bridges, 60 around the country that have this same type of challenge. So we will continue cooperating with the NTSB. But I think it wasn't just a statement to us. I think that statement was really to the rest of the country. All right. We know that anniversary is going to be a tough one this coming up this week. So, Governor, thank you for making time. Always good to see you. It's my pleasure. Thank you.

All right, a string of arson attacks targeting Tesla dealerships and charging stations all across the country as critics slam Democrats for their rhetoric on Elon Musk. Our Sunday panel reacts as Fox News polls show us where voters stand. That's next. If, with God's help.

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I'm truly here for very selfish reasons. Starting with on March 29th, it's my birthday. And all I want to see happen on my birthday is for Eli to be taken down. Yes.

That is Democrat Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett weighing in on efforts to push back on Elon Musk and his work with the Doge team. Now, she went on to say she's only promoting nonviolent protests, but not everyone who opposes Musk feels the same way. Let's talk about it with our panel. USA Today White House correspondent Francesca Chambers, Penny Nance, concerned Women for America president and CEO, Fox News senior political analyst Juan Williams, and Michael Allen, former Bush national security official. Great to have all of you here. All

Okay, so as this stuff is spreading across the country, at one point there was a website up a few days ago that claimed to show the names and locations of Tesla owners. The cursor, we're told, was in the shape of a Molotov cocktail. Appears that's no longer operational.

I really rattled a lot of people who are some of them being confronted driving around in their Teslas and, you know, grocery store parking lots and stuff. And Shannon, this has really reignited a debate about what constitutes domestic terrorism, because the United States does not have a federal law against domestic terrorism. And in fact,

Previous administrations and this administration, when they have called it domestic terrorism and they have prosecuted people, they've had to rely on various laws and statutes in order to be able to do that. And we heard this administration call this domestic terrorism this week. And Pam Bondi says that individuals who are charged will get five to 20 years in prison. But we don't yet know what statutes they're going to rely on for this. Well, Michael, she said they're going to go try to get behind the people who are organizing or financing this as well.

I think they've got to make a strong statement and really get out there and prosecute some of these criminals. It's ironic, by the way, that liberals who have promoted electric vehicles for so long are now turning in droves against Tesla. I noticed this weekend that a lot of people are trying to return theirs here in Washington, D.C., in the...

Value has plummeted. But I think the larger issue here is, is that Elon Musk is doing what the president wants him to do to try and simplify the government and to make it more effective. I think Elon could probably explain more. The president could maybe explain more about what we're trying to do, especially with the Department of Education. But they need a strong federal and state leadership.

arrests, series of arrests here to thwart this kind of activity. Yeah, we have some new Fox News polling that may get to some of the points that you made there about this job performance. Elon Musk with Doge, 58 percent disapproved. They're not thrilled with it. And part of that is, I think, because 65 percent of them are concerned that not enough planning has gone into the government spending cuts.

Well, absolutely. The American people are sick to death of wasting money on the federal government. I mean, I've been talking to teachers this week who are telling me stories of not having enough Clorox wipes for their classrooms, having to pay out of their own pocket. And so the fact that Elon Musk is out there fighting the good fight and trying to do the work the American people elected President Trump to do, which is rein in federal spending and help us to actually live within our means as Americans,

as the government. And so, you know, what we're seeing now that is happening against Elon Musk is outrageous. The federal government can step up to do this. They haven't always, but there's even hate crimes perhaps that they could use. But I know that, you know, as the fact that they haven't always prosecuted, you talk about, you know, the pro-life community that was harassed under the last administration.

They have to stand up and stand strong and take this in hand, I think. Well, and it sounds like the attorney general is very focused on that one. But to the point about government spending and frustration over, you know, the lack of transparency, our poll also showed us 93 percent of people that we polled think the government does some wasteful spending. Ninety three percent. Hard to get to 93 percent on anything in this country. Absolutely. And no, it's not hard to get people to say, oh, I think the government's too big, too invasive. But look.

The reality is, look, no one can support vandalism in the cases of the attacks on Teslas. But we live in an age where social media promotes a lot of anger, angry images, violent images. And Musk, with a chainsaw, saying that he's slashing budgets and the consequences, taking down federal jobs.

I think those are provocative actions by Elon Musk. And it has, I think, contributed to this notion that he is involved in polarized politics and it's damaged the Tesla brand, which was so highly esteemed. Michael made the point it was highly esteemed on the left and the right. People said, oh, this is like a fancy new car, you know, electric cars.

But he's damaged the brand to the point. But did they care about the underlying issue of the climate or not? Because now if you're lighting these things on fire or trying to get rid of them, and, you know, Senator Kelly is one who went out and bought an SUV this week or in the last few days, people question, is it just a political statement now on Tesla? And it wasn't ever about the environment. That's what I'm saying to you. I think that Musk has, by taking such a prominent role in an era of polarized politics—

he has damaged the brand. So it wasn't about the environment? I don't think it's... No, look, right now, I think it's about Musk. Nobody in our country... I don't think Republican or Democrat endorses the idea of unelected people exercising such tremendous power. We're a democracy, not an oligarchy. Why is the richest man on the planet now begging for everybody to be sympathetic and understand him? He can protect his property. Well, he is doing it for free. So at least there's that.

Penny, I know that you were involved somewhat with this repeal or attempt to repeal the Department of Education. They can't really get rid of it, but try to take some of the stuffing out of it this week. But our polling showed, too, that 65 percent of voters oppose the idea of dismantling. I mean, two thirds of Americans don't think it's a good idea to dismantle. And actually, yes.

We can't dismantle it without Congress actually taking action. But, yeah, I was there where the president was signed the executive order of school children. You know, we spend $100 billion a year on the Department of Education. And like I was saying earlier, you have teachers who it's not trickling down to their classrooms.

And there have been so much time on paperwork. One teacher was telling me a story about the elevator being broken in her building. And the kid who has an IEP, the student who can't go upstairs, they're having to run back and forth to take care of him. This is in Fairfax County, which is the wealthiest school district in our state of Virginia. And so there is a lot that has to change. It was another bad.

President Carter idea. And I truly think we can do better by shifting the money and also school choice. I want to make sure that we touch on something I talked about with Governor Moore as well. The Democrats in disarray were told by NBC News that the Bidens have stepped up, Michael, and said, we are willing to come back. We'll help you fundraise, campaign, do whatever you need. But so far, quote, Biden's overture seems to have fallen flat.

Yeah, that is the last thing the Democratic Party needs. I think they're still struggling on how to oppose President Trump. Just look at what the third way, which is the moderate Democrats said about themselves, that they have an academic sort of faculty lounge problem, that they're out of touch with the American people. They seem resentful of the American people's desire to be successful. So I think the Democratic Party's got big trouble.

Five seconds. Risk of overexposure is what I'm hearing from party insiders for Democrats who come out to earlier thinking about running for 2028 right now. But there is this desire inside the Democratic Party to find a way forward. Is it that you resist Donald Trump or is it that you come up with your own ideas?

We'll see. All right, panel, thank you very much for your ideas. All right. Army Staff Sergeant Clint Romesha earned our nation's highest military honor for his remarkable bravery during the war on terror. Now he's helping fellow vets navigate their own battlefields here at home. Okay, everyone.

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Thanks to IP. Learn more at PHRMA.org slash IP Works Wonders. U.S. Army Staff Sergeant Clint Romesha earned the Medal of Honor in 2009 following a remarkable display of heroism when his unit was outgunned by some 300 Taliban fighters in a remote valley in Afghanistan. In the years since, he's dedicated his post-military life to helping fellow soldiers who are fighting a very different kind of battle here at home. It's our Sunday special.

You're the kind of person that most of us sitting at home would say, this is a true American hero. A rocket propelled grenade exploded, sending shrapnel into his hip, his arm and his neck. But he kept fighting. But the fact is, because of what you've accomplished and what you've been recognized for, you can now shine a light for other people, which are busy doing. What's the state of the veteran community here in the United States, the health of that community? What more can we, should we be doing? You know,

we can always be doing a little more. That's the, that's a critical thing. You know, transition, like I said, is always different for each and every individual veteran. Like I said, in the case of me, I, I'd gotten out after 12 years of service. Um, I didn't know what I was doing next. I just knew I needed to continue forward in life. When you get taken away and, uh,

kind of out of that element, all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're trying to find what your next purpose is. And what we've discovered, though, is a lot of veterans want to give back. Like the overwhelming sense of service back to country again and volunteering and helping out other veterans and trying to mentor them, the ones that are struggling, the ones that do need something. Where could we actually be doing things that will make a difference for our vets? You know, it's great to see what the VA has done over the years, you know, but like I said, there's always more to be

to be done. Those that haven't served, that's what I always like to tell them, just because you didn't wear the uniform doesn't mean you're not serving. There's great organizations. I've been with America's Warrior Partnership for going on six years now. And what I really love about them is this concept of let's solve problems at the lowest level. And we have tens of thousands of U.S. veterans who are living on the streets or homeless in some definition of that word.

The stat I saw of 17 suicides a day, I know some set that number even higher. It's not just one issue or the other issue. It's a multitude of things. Suicide prevention shouldn't be a program. It should be an outcome of doing really good work.

And coming together to do really good work comes with looking at the financial strains and kind of obstacles that our veterans might come across. Relationships, access to care, family support. It's all of those pieces coming together.

that if we can build those relationships early with our veterans, build them, integrate them into our communities, identify them to be more proactive instead of reactive, then we can get ahead of this game and help kind of lower the premature deaths, the suicides.

Bottom line, what's your message to folks out there about veterans, how we should welcome them, how we can help or treat them as they return to their communities and lives or a whole different life than what they had before? You know, my biggest message for veterans is, you know, don't sell yourself short. Show up for tomorrow.

Help out your brothers to your left and right, your brothers and sisters. Know that you never did anything alone while you were in. And just because you left and went back home or found something different, you're not alone. You're not doing it alone. Well, we know the community is so important. And as you say, all of those bonds are there in some way or another to continue to help support. And I know that our viewers thank you for your service, but the way that you're now serving others as well, too. So thank you. Very welcome. Appreciate it.

And for more on how you can lend a helping hand, check out AmericasWarriorPartnership.org. Quick note, my podcast, Live in the Bream, drops today. I talk with my friend and colleague, Fox News senior correspondent Benjamin Hall about his new book, Resolute. It's not only his story of how he fought back against incredible odds, but how you can find the strength to do the same thing in your own life. Super encouraging. Resolute is out now, and Live in the Bream is available wherever you get your podcasts.

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