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I'm Shannon Bream. The tariff battle keeps Wall Street and Main Street on edge. Is there any resolution in sight?
We're going to make a deal with China. We're going to make a deal with everybody. I would think over the next three or four weeks, I think maybe the whole thing can be concluded. All this comes as some of America's top tech companies pressure the White House to make a deal and avoid China cutting off the supply of rare earth minerals critical to everything from computers to cars to smartphones. We'll get reaction from Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, who joins us exclusively. And then...
An immigration judge ruled he was a member of MS-13. An appellate judge ruled he was a member of MS-13. Hard stop. He should not be in our country. The Trump administration digging in over the fate of an El Salvadoran migrant living in Maryland mistakenly deported amid accusations he is an MS-13 gang member. The Trump administration...
is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country
in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process. Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen, just back from meeting with Obrega Garcia, joins us live. Our legal panel weighs in on that. Plus, the Supreme Court temporarily halts deportations of Venezuelan migrants under the obscure 1798 law used by the Trump administration. And this, astronaut Butch Wilmore on how his faith kept him grounded while stuck in space for nine months. Being connected with all
of God's people is vital to my well-being. All right now on Fox News Sunday. Hello from Fox News in Washington and happy Easter to all who are celebrating today. That includes tens of thousands of worshipers who packed into St. Peter's Square at the Vatican for Easter Mass. Pope Francis greeted the crowd but delegated delivery of the mass to a top cardinal as the 88-year-old pontiff continues to recover from double pneumonia.
Ukraine's president this morning accusing Russia of continuing military actions in some parts of the country, despite Vladimir Putin's claim of an Easter truce. Vladimir Zelensky says Russia has conducted 59 shelling attacks, along with dozens of drone attacks and five assaults by units in areas along the front lines.
And a Chinese company that processes rare earth minerals from the only U.S. domestic mine says the suspension of shipments due to China's 125 percent tariff on U.S. imports will not significantly impact production due to its diversified supply chain. In just a minute, we're going to talk with Interior Secretary Doug Burgum about those minerals and much more.
We turn to Madeline Rivera at the White House with the very latest on President Trump's tariff war. Hello, Maddie. Good morning, Shannon. President Trump says he expects some trade deals will get done in the coming weeks. Whether that includes China is an open question. I would say they have reached out.
a number of times. President Trump says top Chinese officials are contacting his administration, but he's not saying whether he's actually spoken to Chinese President Xi Jinping, even as he appears optimistic. I think we're going to make a deal with China. We're going to make a deal with everybody. A Japanese delegation and Italian Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney both traveled to the White House to negotiate. Vice President J.D. Vance continuing the conversations with Maloney in Italy.
Politico reports administration officials hope the outreach from other countries will ramp up pressure on China to come to the table. I got a readout from Jameson Greer yesterday, and it looks like we're north of 15 now of legitimate, serious offers on the table. TikTok may be one of the bargaining chips.
The president indicates he's open to an agreement that would include trade concessions and a sale of TikTok U.S. assets. We have a deal for TikTok, but it'll be subject to China, so we'll just delay the deal until this thing works out. Also on pause, the Trump administration's efforts to deport more Venezuelan migrants accused of being gang members under the Alien Enemies Act.
The Supreme Court ruled 7-2 early Saturday morning to block the removals for now, despite ruling earlier this month that the administration could continue deportations if the detainees are given due process. We can't slide into a situation where this administration can choose who goes to El Salvador and who doesn't.
The government has filed its opposition to the SCOTUS decision, saying it gave detainees advance notice of their removals. Shannon. All right, Madeline Rivera reporting from the White House. Thank you very much. And now my earlier conversation with Interior Secretary Doug Burgum.
So you've said you have confidence in the president's tariff strategy. Obviously, China is one of the big sticking points here. And this idea of rare earth minerals, we get most of ours from them. And I know we have deposits here, but I was surprised to read that even some of what we mine here, we send to them for processing and then it comes back to us. What can we do domestically to cut China out of that equation?
Well, Shannon, you've got it just right because there's both the material and then the processing. And this began back, you go back to Obama-Biden administration. We've basically been a war on mining in this country for anything, not just rare earth minerals, critical minerals, but...
base minerals that we would have. And so under President Trump, it's not just drill, baby, drill. It's going to be map, baby, map, which is we've got these materials in our country, but then also mine, baby, mine. And what President Trump is getting done right now, and there's one project which is going to be announced, a resolution copper mine.
This has been a 30 year saga in terms of getting permitting. And in three months, President Trump has got this rolling again. And of course, copper is key for electronics. It's key for military uses. And we've also there's a special under the powers of the emergency authorities, the energy emergency have, which includes the critical minerals that President Trump wisely put in place on day one.
There had been only two mining projects ever that had been put under an authority called FAST-41, which is an accelerated permitting. President Trump added 10 more mining projects to that this week. And all of these things are going to help us in the competition against China, who's really cornered the world market around many of these important minerals. Yeah, and it makes it tough for us, obviously, in these negotiations when they even hint at a threat of us not having access to them. You've called China the biggest threat to this country. So...
where do we go in this terrified how difficult do you think it is going to be to get to an agreement on things that will actually settle this well i have a lot of confidence in president trump to be able to negotiate uh deals we've got one of the best negotiators uh you know probably the best negotiating he's the only president we've ever had who literally wrote a book on negotiating so i have a lot of confidence in him but we've also have a lot of cards in our favor because china is imports
11.5 million barrels of oil a day. They import about 25% of the calories they consume every day. And so when we think about the U.S. and us as being a superpower, we're an energy superpower, we're a food superpower, and China is highly dependent. So we've allowed ourselves to become dependent.
on their supply chains for critical minerals. That's the one piece that we've got to undo. And of course, with the actions of the National Energy Dominance Council, which President Trump created, coordinating across the whole of government, whether it's Chris Wright in energy,
Brook Mullins in agriculture, Lee Zeldin, Howard Letting, everybody's working together. He gives the assignment. We all work together and we're all getting it done to make sure that we've got not only energy dominance, but we've got energy security, including with critical minerals. Well, and one of the things you guys are working on, too, is this issue of AI. The president's
pressed really hard on that. And it's not just the technology, because we're doing that by leaps and bounds here, but it's the energy production. You've raised the worry that we have with this. China far outpaces us on that production. They use a lot of coal, which we haven't done as much here. It was really dialed back. President Trump is ramping it up again.
The Natural Resources Defense Council, not surprisingly, is against that. They say it's dirty and it's dangerous. And they say it flies in the face of common sense and benefits only the fossil fuel barons who backed President Trump's election. It will harm everyone else by increasing already expensive electricity bills and dangerous pollution. They say when it comes to renewable and clean energy, it's more reliable, it's more cost effective than it's ever been, and that coal is from the past. We shouldn't go back.
Well, I'm smiling because it's like everything in that statement is actually the opposite of that, because we have in America the cleanest coal production in the world. If there's a coal plant that has survived the war on coal for the last 20 years, as President Trump likes to say, beautiful, clean coal. If there's a coal plant operating today, it is.
among the cleanest plants in the whole world. And of course, what you get when you have coal, two things. Thermal coal produces electricity. Metallurgical coal includes the metals that we need for steelmaking, the coke that goes into steel. There's also many other critical minerals that are located in coal that we can use as part of that process. But coal is persistent. It's
24 hours a day, 365 days a year. When we're talking about renewables, we're talking about things that are weather dependent. On the day that President Trump, as we look out on the Capitol here, on the day that President Trump was sworn in on January 20th, that was the highest peak load for the grid in this area from D.C. to New York. On that day, 70% of the electricity was coming from fossil fuels and 22% electric. How much was coming from
from renewables, zero from solar because the peak moment was 5 a.m. It was dark out. I mean, this is solar has a catastrophic failure every day, every 24 hours. The solar system of electricity has a catastrophic failure because it doesn't produce electricity at night. And then the wind wasn't blowing that day. So 2%
of all the electricity from DC to New York was coming from renewables. And people are saying, we're getting, we got to switch to that. It's, it's not in anyone's lifetime that we're going to get away from baseload thing. And now China, which you mentioned at the top of this, China, uh, opened, uh, enough coal plants last year to power all of California and all of New York, 94 gigawatts, one gigawatts, Denver, 94 gigawatts of coal. Uh,
They've also got 30 nuclear plants. They've got a bunch of hydro. And this AI arms race, which is the existential threat, we cannot lose to China in an AI arms race. We're leading in tech, but they're leading in the electricity. And electricity has never been worth more. You can take a kilowatt of electricity and in an AI data center, you manufacture intelligence. And that intelligence can be used by everyone. So when they say this is only helping a select few, when we've got a
powerful, strong 27 by 24 hour electric grid, that's going to lower the price for consumers. That's going to make sure that we've got affordability and reliability in our system. President Trump is actually doing the thing where he cares about the economy, he cares about people, he cares about affordability in this country. He's doing that.
The path that we were on was destabilizing our grid, raising prices and helping our adversaries. So it's a triple win for Americans with President Trump's energy policy. I know that some of these organizations have vowed to file lawsuits. Many of them have been either against you, the Interior Department or the administration as a whole to try to stop some of these things because of their concerns. We're going to track those. But I know that that is a real drag on trying to get things done when you've got maybe three and a half years to implement at this point.
ask you about Doge as well, because you signed an order this week that's about streamlining functions at Interior. And people, listen, our polling shows that they believe there's a lot of government waste and they want it taken care of, but they're very concerned, a majority of them, about what they see as kind of a flash and burn strategy with some of this. Here's reaction from one conservation group to your order this week. She says this, Jennifer Recala of the Center for Western Priorities. If Doug
What's your answer to that?
Well, again, I have to smile because, you know, having been in the private sector for my whole life until being a governor and then working in a state where we had to balance the budget, which is different. I mean, the federal government is if the federal government is like a
A ranch that were they threw everything in the barn for 100 years and great grandpa and grampy never threw anything away and it's accumulated everything and you never had to clean it out. That would be that's what the federal government is. And typically the federal government send in a committee of 25 people. You pick up one object spending two weeks talking about should we get rid of it? What a great grandpa use this for? Maybe we should save it might be historic.
I mean, what we're doing right now is emptying out the barn and deciding what should go back in and what should go back in is the stuff that actually serves American the American people. That's what. And and so we take national parks for an example. We there is so much overhead of people that work for the park system that don't work in a park.
We can actually increase the number of people. Like this summer, we'll have more people working in Yellowstone than we had in 2020. More people working, but we could end up with fewer people across the whole park system. Because guess what? We may not need that many people in IT. We may not need that many people in HR.
There's things that we can do to streamline. And if we've got people that want, that are in this business because they care about the environment and they care about our lands, we've got customer-facing, land-facing jobs available. We have 5,000 jobs posted to go work in the parks. But we don't need wildfire fighters, people that are for summer help, come work for us, but work in a job where we're serving the public as opposed to
you know, in D.C. or in a regional location where you're just doing overhead. That's never that's part of the barn that's never been cleaned out. Well, those parks are treasures and we wish you all the best in stewarding them. Secretary, thank you for being with us on this Easter Sunday. Thank you, Shannon.
Up next, our legal panel takes a closer look at the Supreme Court's late-night decision to pause President Trump's deportation of another group of Venezuelans in the U.S. illegally under that centuries-old law. And later, our Out of This World Easter special this Sunday with astronaut Butch Wilmore, how his deep faith kept him strong during months of being stuck in space.
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Certified statements that we get is a very violent person. And they want this man to be brought back into our country where he can be free. It's also important that people understand this case is not just about one man. It's about protecting the constitutional rights of everybody who resides in the United States of America. Yes!
Okay, two very different takes on the Kilmar Obrega-Garcia case. The man the Department of Justice has admitted was wrongly deported to El Salvador. Let's bring in our legal panel. George Washington, university law professor and Fox News contributor Jonathan Turley. And Tom Dupree, former principal deputy assistant attorney general. Great to have both of you here with us.
We've got a lot to break down. So let's start with that Garcia case. Okay, so the Supreme Court, there's this big argument about what they said in their order about getting him back. They deferred to the district court saying, all right, there's language there, facilitate and effectuate getting him back. But they said this.
The intended scope of the term effectuate in the district court's order is unclear, may exceed the district court's authority. The district court should clarify its directive with due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. Jonathan, the Trump administration is saying...
That means essentially we don't have to do everything in our power to try to get him back. Right. The Trump administration is adopting a pretty artificially narrow interpretation. They're saying that if they bring him to our doorstep, we have to open the door. The district court clearly disagrees and basically said, I feel unfacilitated. Well, this is the problem with what the Supreme Court did. You can get an you can get a unanimous decision if no one can agree what you said. And they said you have to facilitate. But they didn't define what that means.
And at the same time, the deference accord that the judge has shown to the executive branch has not been robust. And the Trump administration is saying, look, they clearly said that we have a foreign policy prerogative here. And you cannot force us to bring a an El Salvadoran who's in an El Salvadoran prison back to the United States unless El Salvador agrees. And they don't.
So the district court has said, listen, I want to know in accounting exactly what you're doing. The Supreme Court has told you you have to work on getting this guy back. They then, the Trump administration, appealed to the Fourth Circuit, which is not known as a super left-wing crazy court. And this is what the Fourth Circuit said. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process.
That is the foundation of our constitutional order. It should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear. Again, they were using the word resident, not citizen, because this person does not have legal protections. That's true. And the words that you just quoted were from one of the more conservative judges on the Fourth Circuit, Judge Jay Wilkinson, who's well known, very respected. And what was interesting in his opinion is he said that, look,
The Supreme Court, yes, it did tell the district judge that you have to be respectful of the executive's prerogatives, the executive's right to conduct foreign affairs and supervise immigration. But at the same time, the executive branch needs to be respectful of court orders and respectful of the judiciary. And I thought, actually, he kind of hit the soaring prose level of his opinion, where he basically said we all need to get along to make our system work, that all sides, all branches of the government need to respect one another and work together to get this right.
Not really working together on a whole lot at the moment. To say the least.
They all say they're about to be deported, so ACLU goes and files to stop it. The Supreme Court very early Saturday morning said this. The government is directed not to remove any member of the putative class of detainees from the U.S. until further order of this court. But, Tom, that follows a decision in which they said you can use the Alien Enemies Act to get rid of folks that you think are here illegally.
But you've got to give them some due process. That's right. And there are so many extraordinary things about what the Supreme Court did, not least the fact that it issued a ruling a little after midnight, which it very rarely does. But what's interesting here is, to your point, the Supreme Court did not say the administration is prohibited from using the Alien Enemies Act to remove these individuals. What they did say is that there needs to be a pause in it.
There needs to be a modicum of due process. We need to make sure, as we said before, that individuals that the administration is preparing to remove have the opportunity for a notice and a hearing. So it was not a substantive merits ruling in the sense that they limited what the Trump administration can do. They just made sure that the procedural checks that the court itself put in place are being followed here.
Yeah, and the Trump administration did subsequently file a response to that, saying we did give them notice and these people have had an opportunity, so they're going to hash that out. In the meantime, Justice Alito dissented from that Friday, well, it was Saturday morning decision. Justice Thomas joined him. He says this, in sum, literally in the middle of the night, the court issued unprecedented and legally questionable relief without giving the lower courts a chance to rule, without hearing from the opposing party. Within eight hours of receiving the application with dubious factual support for its order,
and without providing any explanation for its order. So he thinks the court got it wrong. Yeah, what Justice Alito is objecting to is that this is becoming increasingly improvisational. I mean, you've covered the Supreme Court for years, as I have, and
We rarely see this level of our number of emergency cases going in front of the Supreme Court. And a lot of them are half-baked in the sense that they simply don't have the normal details, the record that you have. And the justices are expressing their frustration. Previously, they expressed frustration for the district courts. You know, in the case of Judge Bosberg, they said, what's this doing in your court? This is a hapiest case that belongs down south.
And I think that they're showing some of that frustration. I think all parties should take heed of that. I think going to the Fourth Circuit decision, the Trump administration should not be alienating Chief Justice Roberts and others. They need to tone down this language a bit. But in the same way, a lot of these challengers are bringing these cases fast and furious to the court. And what Alito is saying is, what are we basing our decision on? These things are coming to us with virtually no record.
And so that sits where it sits now on a pause. Also, Judge Boasberg this week said, I'm potentially going to hold you guys in contempt, the Trump administration, because of the way you've handled me telling you not to send people on flights out of the country. Were they already on those flights and the flights after that? They're still fighting about all the factual stuff. But he said this. The Constitution does not tolerate willful disobedience of judicial orders, especially by officials of a coordinate branch who have sworn an oath to uphold it.
That showdown is still going on. But by the way, the Trump administration appealed that and the D.C. Circuit said that's now on pause. The potential contempt finding.
Yeah, first of all, I'm skeptical about the contempt issue. The question is, where are you going to go down the road on this? I mean, first of all, of course, the president can pardon people who are charged with crimes. But before you get there, if the Justice Department does not prosecute this case, the judge would be in a position of trying to appoint a private lawyer to act as a prosecutor. You're going to trip every wire there is between Article 1 to Article 3.
And these types of criminal consent matters have a very bad record on appeal. This one would be even twice as difficult if he goes down that road. So the question is why Judge Bosberg is not trying to find, Bosberg is trying to find a way to sort of de-escalate. Instead, he appears to be escalating.
A lot of this appears to be escalating. So now a lot of this stems from the fact that these district court judges, that first level, six to seven hundred of them at any time, can issue a nationwide injunction and shut down anything that the president, this one or another one, is trying to do. So now, May 15th, the Supreme Court has added an argument to the calendar and it keeps it keep it's in the context of this birthright citizenship case.
I don't know if you guys think I don't think they're going to get to the merits of that question. I think this is going to be solely about these injunctions. The acting solicitor general in filing with the Supreme Court about this question says these universal injunctions have reached epidemic proportions since the start of the current administration. She said it stops the executive branch from performing its constitutional functions before any courts fully examine the merits of those actions and threatens to swamp this court's emergency docket, which we've all.
you know, belly ached about. This court should declare that enough is enough. So what happens in May? It is going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. And I agree with you. I think it is unlikely they dive into the merits of birthright citizenship. You never know. But on the injunction point, that is one of the few things that actually seems to have brought
all Americans from all political stripes together is that the system needs to be fixed a little bit. Because to your point, you have a system in which a single district judge can affect nationwide policy, stop the administration in its tracks. And so I think we are going to see some very hard questioning from the court during that argument about the legitimacy of these nationwide injunctions.
And at the same time, Congress now is getting into the act, too. They, too, are looking at ways that we might be able to reform the system. So I suspect we may come out with an answer to the nationwide injunction problem. I'm less confident we're going to come out with an answer to birthright citizenship. So stay tuned on that. OK, by the way, I feel like after this discussion, everyone should get CLE credits, which you get when you have to keep up your law license. Thank you for the free legal advice. Absolutely. Good to see both of you.
All right, coming up, we're going to get a first person accounts from Senator Chris Van Hollen about his meeting with Obrega Garcia in El Salvador. The senator joins us live next.
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Joining us now, Maryland Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen. Thank you for coming in to speak with us today about this. Shannon, good to be with you. Okay, so I know that I watched your remarks at Dulles Airport after you landed, and you said it's time for this administration to put up or shut up. So I want to talk about the evidence they've put together that they say shows an MS-13 connection for Mr. Garcia.
They point to this Prince George's County Police Department gang report from March of 2019. They said he was observed wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the president's meaning of the clothing within gangs is to represent see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil. They say officers also contacted a past police
proven and reliable source of information who advised that Abrego Garcia is an active member, this was at the time, of MS-13 with the Westerns clique. He is the rank of Chiqueo with the moniker of Chele. So that's what they've put out there. One law enforcement source I talked to said, if you don't want to be associated with the gang, you're not going to wear the indicative clothing. You're not going to hang out with them. This is the report of the police department from 2019.
So, Shannon, they need to put up or shut up in court. Let me read you, and I brought it with me. I want to read you what Judge Zinnis of the Federal District Court just found on April 16th.
She said that they had presented, quote, no evidence linking Abrego Garcia to MS-13 or to any other terrorist activity, unquote. If they've got evidence, you put it before the court. Don't spread it over all over social media if you don't think it can stand the test.
of court scrutiny. They're trying to change the subject. The subject, as you said, was they are disobeying the court order and they admitted themselves in court that he'd been wrongfully, wrongfully abducted and taken to El Salvador. Instead of fixing the problem, they fired the lawyer. Well, he's on suspension. And we I did ask the attorney general about that. They abraded him. OK, so this this finding, though, was accepted by an immigration judge.
which determined in April of 2019 says the determination that the respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record. And then from there, there was in December of 2019 on appeal. The Board of Immigration Appeals also said the immigration judge appropriately considered allegations of gang affiliation against the respondent in determining that he has not demonstrated that he is not a danger to property or persons.
And in that proceeding, legal proceeding, the burden is on him to prove that. And the judge, the appeal both say he didn't do it and they believe the evidence they saw from police. As you say, and you just indicated that they never affirmatively found that he was a member of MS-13. They never, of course, charged him with any crime. And what the judge ultimately did in the immigration case was,
was say that his life would be at risk from other gangs, from gangs, if he was returned to El Salvador, which is why he got a work permit, which is why the members of his union, the sheet metal workers, are demanding his return. You know you don't get a work permit
if you are not legally in the country at the time. He wasn't legally here. We agree to that. He's never legally been here. He came at age 16 with his family, and no one's contested the fact that he fled El Salvador because they were afraid of gang violence. And then he came to the United States, and in 2019, the courts found that to send him back to El Salvador would put his life at risk. And the Trump administration did not appeal to him.
did not appeal that decision, which is why he got a work permit and why he's working to raise his three kids. So let's be really clear that the fundamental issue right now is the fact that the Trump administration is ignoring court orders. And if you deny one person their constitutional rights, you threaten the constitutional rights of everybody. I can't understand why conservatives or certainly libertarians
would accept the idea that someone can be deprived of their liberty without due process. Did you ask him if he has any association with MS-13? I did not ask him directly because he's answered that question repeatedly as his lawyers have. My purpose in going there was to, number one, see if he was alive, see if he was healthy, take his story. As I said, they have litigated this case on MS-13, and it was the judge in the most recent case
who says, put up or shut up. So that's what I say to President Trump and others, put up or shut up. Hearing these reports from Prince George's County Police and from the immigration judge and the appeals court in the immigration setting, do you worry, though, that you are sticking your neck out for somebody who maybe down the line is proven to be connected to MS-13? I want to be very clear. I'm not vouching for the man. I'm vouching for the man's rights, right?
his constitutional rights to due process. And the proper place to litigate that is in the courts. And the most recent federal district court judge that looked at this, Judge Zinnis, said that the administration had presented no evidence of his connection to MS-13 or, by the way, to any other criminal gang or terrorist activity. So, again, all the issues you raised are
Why aren't they presenting those to the courts? So again, put up or shut up in court, which is where we litigate these things. Okay, so you know that there's been a lot of attention on two Maryland women who are angel moms in the sense that no connection to Mr. Garcia at all, but in two separate cases involving people who were in the U.S. and in Maryland illegally, violently raped and killed their daughters. This is Patty Morin, the mother of Rachel Morin, one of your constituents. And to have a senator from Maryland...
who didn't even acknowledge or barely acknowledged my daughter and the brutal death that she endured, leaving her five children without a mother and now a grandbaby without a grandmother, so that he can use my taxpayer money to fly to El Salvador to bring back someone that's not even an American citizen. So a lot of questions there. First of all, who did pay for this trip?
This was an officially cleared congressional trip. So taxpayer dollars. Yes, like every other trip. Like the trip Kristi Noem took with her fashion show before Seacott. Like the trip that five Republican members of the House took the day before when they went into Seacott. I can tell you. So that's, yes, it was an official trip. Okay, so your response to her. And you understand her frustration and feeling like,
her daughter was a constituent of yours met a horrible end that family didn't hear from you and and understand their frustration and that they see you extending so much time and energy over the garcia case so what happened to the warren family was awful and unacceptable i cannot imagine losing a child like they lost rachel and i said at the time that my heart goes out to the moran family and i'm glad
that the killer of Rachel Warren has been convicted in a court of law. That's how we hold guilty people accountable, in a court of law. Courts of law are also where people get their due justice.
rights respected. As you indicated, there is zero connection between the horrible murder of Rachel Warren and the situation with Abrego Garcia. And I don't know if the Trump administration seems to be arguing that because of the awful thing that happened to Rachel Warren, that Abrego Garcia's
right should be neglected. And that's that's not the question. I think it's about the mother being unable to understand why you would spend so much time energy for this person who was not in your state or in the country legally, at which time she felt like you didn't have the same concern about her daughter and her family. I did have concern. I have concern. My heart goes out to every Maryland family that is the victim of violence, regardless of the perpetrator.
And that is why I am very glad and said so, that a court of law has convicted her killer. That is where we litigate these issues. That is where the Trump administration admitted that they had wrongfully detained and deported Abrego Garcia.
My whole point here is if you deprive one man of his constitutional rights, you threaten the constitutional rights of everybody. I would hope that all of us would understand that principle. You're a lawyer. I'm not vouching for the individual.
I'm vouching for his rights under the Constitution. Just quickly, then, if he is brought back, if the administration finally says, OK, we got a duty, let's get him back here and he's given due process, then they're deported again. You're OK with that process. I support the rule of law. That's exactly my point here. And if you threaten the rule of law for one person, you threaten it for everybody in America. Well, we know it's been a whirlwind. So we thank you for taking time to come in. We appreciate it. Always good to see you, Senator. You too.
All right, Secretary of State Marco Rubio signaling a potential major shift on Ukraine-Russia ceasefire talks as Ukraine accuses Russia of breaking an Easter so-called truce. Our Sunday panel on America's role in those talks as negotiations with Iran heat up this weekend as well. They're next.
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We need to figure out here now within a matter of days whether this is doable in the short term. Because if it's not, then I think we're just going to move on from our perspective. The president feels very strongly about that. Secretary of State Marco Rubio telling reporters that the U.S. is prepared to move on, we think it means from efforts to negotiate the ceasefire, is if significant progress isn't made in the coming days. Time now for our Sunday group. They'll iron it out for us. USA Today White House correspondent Francesca Chambers.
Katie Pavlich, TownHall.com editor and Fox News contributor, former Biden deputy cabinet secretary Dan Coe, and Horace Cooper, Project 21 chairman. Great to have all of you here this morning. Okay, so on that statement, the New York Times said this. It's not entirely clear from Mr. Rubio's remarks whether he meant that the U.S. would merely abandon its effort to reach that ceasefire deal or President Trump's immediate focus or abandon Washington's commitments to Ukraine altogether. Horace, how did you hear that?
Well, I think we're headed towards a complete walk away. First thing, though, let me say happy Easter to everyone and how grateful I am for that sacrifice. The president is presenting the world with these three options. One is that Russia and Ukraine come to terms and resolve this. If they can't, then we are left with.
Whether or not the rest of the world is going to join in this battle. World War I cost us 16 million lives. World War II cost us 60 to 75 million lives. And we're being asked if we will ease into number two, World War III.
And I think the president is saying there's no way that we're going to do this again. Europe has tricked us twice. We're not going to do it again. And that means walking away. Well, here is what he had to say. Sounded a little frustrated in the Oval Office on Friday.
Now, if for some reason one of the two parties makes it very difficult, we're just going to say you're foolish, you're fools, you're horrible people, and we're going to just take a pass. But hopefully we won't have to do that.
Francesco, you've deeply reported a piece talking about how frustrated the president is and how that's been growing. Yes, Shannon, and sources familiar with his thinking tell me that he does mean to potentially abandon peace talks altogether because he's grown increasingly frustrated that there has been no meaningful progress towards a deal. Now, on the move away and walk away from talks, that's
Experts outside are saying that they do not know what that means. Does it mean that the United States would no longer provide weapons to Ukraine? That Ukraine wouldn't be allowed to buy weapons for the United States? Does it mean increased sanctions on Russia? But it's clear that it's decision time for President Trump, or at least nearing decision time for him. As Rubio said, as he gets closer to his first 100 days in office, the administration has spent a significant amount of time on foreign policy so far.
And at some point, a White House official tells me Trump may decide that he has domestic agenda priorities that he wants to get to that aren't getting done here. But I'm told, Shannon, only he knows when that is. He's negotiating by instinct here. Yeah, only he has all the cards and makes these decisions about where the focus is going to be. But also this weekend, there are talks with Iran. Axios reports this.
They took place with a debate still raging within the Trump administration and between the U.S. and Israel over whether diplomacy or military strikes are more likely to prevent Tehran from obtaining a bomb. For now, Trump is holding back the hawks, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and focusing on getting a deal. So, Dan, he has said again and again, I want this to be diplomacy, but...
as part of the negotiations, we're not taking anything off the table. Look, I think the challenge here is that at times like this to seal the deal, you need your allies. And I think right now with we've seen with the tariffs, with so much uncertainty happening in Ukraine, so many of the allies that would normally come to the table in a situation like this are taking a step back. And that's a concern. The second thing that I think a lot of people don't realize is that in these negotiations, you have career people who help determine what kind of sanctions we should put on our
Right now, it's unclear who those people are. And not to mention the fact that the war that this administration has had on career employees means that morale is just so incredibly low. So I think those compounding challenges are just making all of this so much harder. Katie, what do you say? Okay.
When it comes to allies, the most important ally in this situation is Israel, of course. And the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been to the White House twice since President Trump has taken back over. I was actually in a meeting with him two weeks ago with a few reporters, and he talked about that Israel's position is that Iran cannot have any ability to make a nuclear weapon, and they are willing to go the route of...
of dismantling the program, albeit like Libya in the early 2000s, if they were going to move forward with some kind of deal that was appropriate for them. Now, in terms of what the White House is saying, their objectives are to dismantle the nuclear program. There's some talk about allowing Iran to continue their enrichment of uranium. But Iran is in the most vulnerable position it has been in decades. Israel's taken out all of their proxies. Hezbollah, their strongest proxy, has been completely dismantled. Hamas is
dismantled in the Gaza Strip. And so they are the most vulnerable when it comes to an actual military strike. And you've seen the president say that he thinks that Iran may be tapping them along and that they have little patience for any kind of lying or negotiating in bad faith. So the objective is to dismantle the nuclear program. The question at
It's going to be whether the Iranians are allowed to continue having some kind of nuclear program and whether they can be believed that it wouldn't be in pursuit of a nuclear weapon, which, of course, would be bad for the Middle East, bad for Israel, and, of course, bad for the United States of America. And that's where our interest lies. All right. I want to get a little bit...
Quick comment from everybody on this other battle that's going on inside the Democrat Party. And this one is the old guard of the new guard. Partially David Hogg, 25 years old, vice chair of the DNC, has said this. Everyone in our party says they want to start winning again, and they do. But that simply will not be possible with our current set of leaders.
too many of which are asleep at the wheel, out of touch and ineffective. James Carville from the old guard had this to say. This was the most insane thing I've ever heard. I can't do it in his voice. But he says, why are you going to spend $20 million running against other Democrats? Aren't we supposed to be running against the Republic?
Look, out of 435 House seats, only 35 are competitive. I think that's where we need to have our focus. Having said that, a little competition is not a bad thing. So I think people, no one's entitled to their seats, and I think people should have the opportunity to defend their record. Katie?
It just seems like the far left of the party continues to hold the Democratic Party hostage. The entire country shifted to the right after the 2024 elections, and yet you have this faction that continues to push the Democrats further to the left and out of touch with basic common sense of the American people, not Republicans, but those people in the middle that you need to win elections. What do you make of it?
The issue that's facing the DNC right now is that he's the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee, and they don't play in primaries. And I'm told that they're trying to make a decision right now about how to move forward, Shannon, because the thing is, he is the elected vice chair. He has a lot of followers. They need young people in the party right now. And so they're trying to come up with a compromise solution.
Horace, final word to you. This is going to be the latest version of a movie called Dumb and Dumber. And this will lead to greater destruction. The Democrats are the world's oldest political party. But this is how it disintegrates when you do things like this. Or, Dan says...
Competition makes it better. We'll see. Okay, panel, thank you very much. We'll see you next Sunday. Coming up, a remarkable story of faith and resilience this Easter Sunday. Astronaut Butch Wilmore tells us how his church, his family, and his relationship with God kept him going when he was stuck in space. That Easter Sunday special is next. I realize there's millions of people around the globe that would love to be sitting in that spot. And my Lord, he put me there. Looking out and seeing the Earth go by at that speed, like, wow.
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For billions of Christians around the world, Easter Sunday means salvation and hope. But for astronaut Butch Wilmore, it also marks a return to normalcy. His first holiday back with his family and his church after nine unexpected months in space. We travel to Houston to sit down with him for this week's Easter Sunday special.
Time and again, times that I think things aren't good, every single time it's like, wow, Lord, you had the best in mind. Making the best out of a chaotic Boeing Starliner test flight, an eight-day mission turned into 286.
And hopes of heading home dashed over and over again. Failure is not an option. That's why we are staying here now. For many, that would spark a crisis of faith. But for veteran astronaut Butch Wilmore, the harrowing ordeal only strengthened it. I can go and give so many examples from Scripture of how the Lord worked providentially in situations that looked really bad. I not only see that in Scripture...
But I see it in experience, in my life. And I can only see that and understand it because it gives me the ability to. Wilmore, along with fellow astronaut Sonny Williams, inspired the nation with their remarkable story of resilience. Millions watched last month when they splashed down to Earth after a 17-hour journey in a SpaceX capsule.
Splashdown, Crew 9, back on Earth. Back home, Butch credits his survival to staying connected to his faith and to his church. Well, goodness, the word of God continually infilling me. I need it. My pastors are the finest pastors on or off, in this case, the planet.
At Providence Baptist Church, Butch inspires not only through his many career accomplishments as an astronaut and top Navy test pilot, but through his unwavering devotion to family, faith, and ministering to his church's flock as an elder. God's word is true.
And we are here to love. Even hundreds of miles above the Earth. Danny, what's it like to get a call and realize where it's coming from? You see the space station on the TV and you think it's so far up, but it's 254 miles. And you just can't imagine.
to be receiving that from somebody from your church, much less anywhere else. You're thinking you're going to be gone for a matter of days. It turns into month after month after month. But you didn't let that stop the ministry and the relationships that you have here. Technology is wonderful. I mean, I could, there's a camera up there. I tie it into every service every Sunday morning. When he first got up there, he called me. He'd been up there four days, and I'd had a little heart trouble. So his wife told him, so he called me.
And then at a conversation I said, well, Barry, it took you four or five years to get that thing where you get up there. We hope it don't take that long to get back. Well, it had to come back to hold him. What did you think when month after month went by and he was still there? Knowing him, I knew he'd get through. I don't know anybody that puts his whole life in God's hand anymore than he does.
According to Providence Church patriarch, Mr. Billy, it's not only Butch that puts his life in God's hands, but sometimes the passengers in Butch's car. You said here on Earth, he's driven you around and he drives like an astronaut. What does that mean?
You better hold on. Even more bittersweet than providing spiritual guidance from space, parenting teenagers, which was forced to miss much of his youngest daughter's senior year of high school, but remained a constant presence in both his kids' lives. I said,
I still have to be a dad from afar. I still have to be a husband from afar. And doing my dad thing is a huge responsibility. I didn't shirk my responsibilities just because I wasn't there. The church elder even finding time to put the fear of God into his daughter's boyfriend. I shared some
some thoughts with him because that's what dads of daughters do. Butch prefers, however, not to dwell on time lost, but to look forward to the joys of days ahead, especially this Sunday. You will be home for Easter this year here in your church. What does that mean to you? Well, Easter is the culmination of the biblical narrative, right? The resurrection, to be here and share that with my home church, there's nothing better.
What is it like, though, in the context of your faith to look around and see creation from a different viewpoint, to get a glimpse out into the universe and feel the goodness or the greatness of God? I will say this. I did not need to go to space to learn about my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to be saved.
That experience to draw me with that in mind, looking at the grandeur of this earth that Isaiah says that the Lord designed and made and created to be inhabited and looking at it from that vantage point gives me such an appreciation because I can close my eyes like I am now. And in my mind's eye, I can see it as if I'm there. And oh, my, it just magnifies my Lord.
We are so glad that Butch and the crew are safely home and honored that he shared his remarkable story with us this Easter. And our thanks, by the way, to everyone at Providence Baptist Church for welcoming our team. That is it for today. Thank you for joining us. I'm Shannon Bream. We leave you with images of the Easter sunrise service at the Lincoln Memorial here in Washington. Have a blessed week. We'll see you back here for the next Fox News Sunday.
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