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I'm Shannon Bream, a critical first step toward resolving a global trade war as the president prepares for a high-stakes trip overseas. We have to make a great deal for America. Oil, investments, and nuclear ambitions topping the agenda for President Trump, headed to the Gulf in search of deals, aiming to keep the momentum going after a trade breakthrough with the UK. This is going to boost trade between and across our countries. It's going to
not only protect jobs, but create jobs. As U.S. representatives meet with their Chinese counterparts for the first time since the president's aggressive tariff strategy began. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick joins us with updates on which other trade deals may be nearing the finish line. Plus...
Some U.S. manufacturers see an uptick in business as President Trump's tariffs spur more customers to buy made-in-America products. We'll get reaction from Congressman Jared Moskowitz, member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Then...
We think that there is a deal here. The next round of nuclear talks with Iran taking center stage this weekend. Senate Intelligence Chair Tom Cotton, who's taking a hard line on Tehran, joins us exclusively on his call for complete dismantlement and... We went to work and we got it done. Former President Joe Biden hits the airwaves with an interesting spin on his party's loss as Democrats search for a new party leader. All right now on Fox News Sunday. ♪
Hello from Fox News in Washington and happy Mother's Day. We begin with a quick look at some of your headlines. Pope Leo XIV giving his first Sunday blessing and address to the faithful in St. Peter's Square today. The first American pope ever will be formally inaugurated in mass next Sunday. We're going to take you live to Rome a little bit later in the show for more on what we're learning about what kind of pope that Leo may be.
And Vladimir Putin has rejected an unconditional 30-day ceasefire in Russia's war with Ukraine, brokered by European leaders and backed by the U.S. Instead, the Russian leader wants direct talks starting Thursday, he says, in Turkey. President Zelensky calling it, quote, a positive sign, but says the very first step in truly ending the war is a ceasefire.
And talks between China and the U.S. over tariffs resumed today in Switzerland. President Trump says there's been, quote, great progress made towards a total reset, he says, on tariffs in U.S. and Chinese goods. Both countries have been locked in a tit-for-tat, raising those tariffs that have begun to slow imports and exports. In a moment, we'll get the very latest from Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. But first, we turn to Lucas Tomlinson on the ground in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, ahead of President Trump's trip to that region. Hello, Lucas.
Shannon, President Trump's first official overseas trip since returning to the White House begins here in Saudi Arabia, just like it did during his first term with a host of foreign policy challenges, including Iran. We're trying to work on Iran to get that solved without having to get into any
Any bombing, as we say, big bombing, I don't want to do that. Ahead of President Trump's arrival, Iran's foreign minister landed in Saudi Arabia yesterday, a month after Saudi's defense minister visited Iran, the highest level of visit in decades.
a sign of warming relations between longtime adversaries. Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff plans to meet Iranian officials today for another round of nuclear talks in neighboring Oman in the hopes of a deal being reached while Trump is in the region. The White House is also weighing lifting sanctions on Syria to keep Iran out of the country.
President Trump and European leaders hope Ukraine and Russia will agree to a 30-day ceasefire beginning Monday. In a hastily arranged press conference early this morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin refused to accept the 30-day ceasefire proposed by the U.S. and European allies. Instead, he requests talks with Ukraine this week in Istanbul. President Trump responding, quote, a potentially great day for Russia and Ukraine. Followed
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The Israel Hamas war looms large over Trump's visit, which many Democrats say can't be ignored. This is a consequential trip. If instead he fully embraces further occupation of Gaza and no humanitarian aid, I think he'll find his meetings in Saudi Arabia difficult. Before leaving for the Middle East, Trump announced a new trade deal with the U.K., the first for a country since Trump levied tariffs on countries around the world.
The deal lowers tariffs on British steel, aluminum and cars. Other negotiations taking place overseas. Trump's Treasury Secretary Scott Besson meeting with Chinese officials in Geneva for the first time in an attempt to lower the temperature in the ongoing trade war. Trump says he's willing to lower tariffs on China. I put out a number today, 80 percent, so we'll see how that all works out.
Tariffs are expected to be part of the discussions here in Saudi Arabia, as well as expected announcements on new investments in artificial intelligence and arms sales. Shannon. Lucas Tomlinson in Saudi Arabia. Thank you very much, Lucas. Joining us now, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. Welcome to Fox News Sunday.
Welcome and happy Mother's Day to everybody watching and a special happy Mother's Day to my my beautiful wife. Yes. Appropriate way to start. Now, let's dig into the business of the day, which is the talks in Switzerland with us and China. You have said, listen, this is going to take potentially dozens of talks. What can you tell us about managing expectations on a timeline when something could come together?
Well, Secretary Besant has made it clear one of his objectives is to de-escalate, you know, 145 percent and 125 percent are really those are kind of tariffs where you're not trading with each other. So he's there to see if we can reset the conversation. And he's at it right now. So I'm going to leave it to him of how he deals with it. But that's the objective to de-escalate.
Well, the Wall Street Journal has said, too, that in our talks with other countries, and I know you're involved in many of getting these deals, trying to get them together, that part of it has been about pressuring these other countries when it comes to China. Here's what the Wall Street Journal reported. The idea is to extract commitments from U.S. trading partners to isolate China's economy in exchange for...
for reductions in trade and tariff barriers imposed by the White House. The idea being not to let China flood these other countries with their products or to relocate things to these areas where they would avoid U.S. tariffs. Are those part of your conversations, those themes?
No, no. You know, that's again, that's fake news. I mean, we are focused on Americans, right? President Trump's idea is to bring the golden age back to America, to reshore manufacturing, to build here, to have those people who build here not pay any tariffs. And if you want to build overseas, OK, you'll pay tariffs and you'll be less competitive in America. So build here.
here I mean that's the idea open your markets if you want to continue to uh you know to not bring things home to America open your markets let our exporters sell to you finally get some fair trade and let's bring lots of manufacturing back to America but we are not under any circumstances focused on China when we're talking to other countries when we're talking to China
Of course, our trade team is focused on China. But when we talk to other countries, there was no conversation in the U.K. or India or Japan or any of these other countries about China. Leave China alone. We are trying to grow America. OK, so you mentioned the U.K. deal, a big feather in the cap of the administration. You were right there with the president as he's making this announcement. And it begs the question now about that 10 percent tariff. Is that going to be the baseline? Here's what the president said Friday.
But basically, you have a baseline of a minimum of 10 percent and some of them will be much higher, 40 percent, 50 percent, 60 percent, as they've been doing to us over the years. So those numbers may sound really good to China if you're talking about 145 or 80 percent. But how are those numbers landing with the other folks you're negotiating with?
So you saw on Liberation Day that the president put out a whole series of tariff rates. And then the objective is to bring manufacturing back to America and also lower those rates. So those countries, each of those countries can open their markets, make...
A more fair trading deal with America, allow Americans to export to their country. Finally, in a way, you saw in the UK, we opened their market, $5 billion of exports. Many of these countries will be, because they have bigger economies, even bigger. And our idea is have the Americans be able to export to those countries, grow America, right? Ranchers, produce, vegetables, machinery, ethanol, things like that.
sell to those countries, lower their tariff rate, and then bring manufacturing back to America. So I think we're very, very focused on America's golden age coming. We're going to make trade more fair, and it's going to work brilliantly for Americans, both if you make it here, there's no tariff,
And we can sell much, much more fairly everywhere in the world. So Americans are watching and hoping for those long-term benefits, but our polling shows they're pretty skeptical at this point. 72% tell us they think tariffs are going to make the things they pay for right now more expensive. And a majority of them think that tariffs are actually hurting our economy. I mean, how do you work against that perception with messaging while people wait in the interim for something to happen?
You just do trade deals, right? Like, look at the UK deal, right? Just look at that deal. It opens the UK market for the first time to $5 billion of exports. I mean, go talk to a beef rancher right now or a corn farmer right now. They are ecstatic. They've never been allowed into the UK market, and now they'll be allowed. So each of these countries, we're going to break over.
open their non-tariff trading barriers, get our people the ability to export there. That's going to be great. We're going to have huge jobs in manufacturing. You've heard the president talk about trillions and trillions of factories being built in America. Those are construction jobs starting now, and then those products will not have tariffs on them. So I just completely disagree. What you're going to see is prices are going to stay stable forever.
Once this policy is done, you've got to give the president a chance to run it. But over the next three months, this policy is going to show trade deal after trade deal, opening markets, reshoring manufacturing, and no tariff charge if you make it in America.
Okay, so let's talk about in the interim because we've got reports out on the West Coast that there are hundreds of dock workers now out of work as those ships are not coming in, the ripple effect there, hitting the trucking industry and others as well. One union official out there says it's beginning to manifest itself as real loss of jobs and income from our members. So what do you say to those American workers?
I say to those American workers, Scott Besant is in Geneva right now talking to his counterparties in China. Remember, this is just a China problem right now. We have 145% tariff. They have 125% tariff. Those tariffs are too high to do business. But that's why they're talking right now. The rest of the world is 10%. So don't overdo it. The rest of the world is 10%.
They're sending their goods here, as the president has said time and time again. We are the consumer of the world. Everybody wants to sell their goods here, so they need to do business with America. And we're using the power of our economy to open their economy to our exporters. So that is happening right now. Yes, Scott Besson is in Geneva talking to his counterparties right now. And...
Let's see what happens. But the president said last night he was very optimistic and very positive. So you should be very optimistic and positive because the president truth it out. And I rely on the president. OK, well, no surprise to you. I don't think that The Washington Post is not among your biggest fans. Here's what they say. Letnick's economically incoherent and contradictory commentary. They say economists agree the tariffs.
are paid by importers such as U.S. companies, which in turn pass on most or all of the cost to consumers or producers. Here's how Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer puts it. President Trump's trade war is economic arson on our main streets. And these folks are getting scorched. He didn't vote for you. I don't think you guys are probably besties. Is there any room, though, to work with Democrats on some of these issues?
I don't think so. I mean, I remember Chuck Schumer holding a can of Corona when the tariffs came out. I mean, imagine doing that and not holding a can of American made Coors. I mean, why? Why would you hold up a Mexican can and say we support Mexican production?
First, it's America first. How about we support American production first? Let's bring production to America. Let's employ Americans. That's sort of a key thing. Let's employ Americans. Let's build an America. No tariffs on American goods. And then if you want to sell to America, okay, you pay a tariff. That makes the American goods more competitive. But we know from experience, from Trump's first term,
that the consumers don't pay for the tariffs. They need the products coming in. They need to compete in America. So they've got to cut their price. They've got to cut their margins. And they've got to compete here. So this concept that just prices go up, you'll buy American goods. And to be competitive, the foreigners will have to cut their price. You saw it with the Asians. They've already announced they're not raising their prices anymore.
on their cars that are coming in, even though there's a tariff. It proves the point. Don't buy into these economists who are just not in the real world. Right. Look at the UK deal. It is working. Well, the proof will be in the pudding. American workers and consumers are watching closely. Secretary Letnick, we wish you the best. Thank you.
Thank you. Happy Mother's Day, everybody. All right. So coming up, the GOP House aiming to pass the, quote, big, beautiful reconciliation bill by Memorial Day. Our Sunday panel is here to debate the odds of that actually happening. And President Biden returns to public life, as some Democrats say, it's not helpful. President Trump's golden dough. You may get a little excited when you shop at Burlington. What a low price! Did you see that? They have my favorite!
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I'm saving so much! Burlington saves you up to 60% off other retailers' prices every day. Will it be the low prices or the great brands? Burlington. Deals. Brands. Wow! I told you so. Styles and selections vary by store. A very big factor is going to be the tax bill that we have right now. The one big beautiful bill, as we call it, which is all-encompassing. Biggest tax cuts ever in history. Bigger than even the first time.
So President Trump striking an optimistic tone about the country's economic future as he pushes for Congress to approve major tax cuts, but maybe not for everyone. It is time now for our Sunday group. USA Today White House correspondent Francesca Chambers. Martisa, Fox News contributor. Fox News senior political analyst Juan Williams. And Josh Krasar, Fox News radio political analyst. All right, welcome, everyone. The big, beautiful bill. Here's what Punchbowl said about it Friday.
So much about this reconciliation package is still undecided, even though the GOP leadership says they've been working on it for more than six months. Mark, I mean, SALT, Medicaid, you know, upper tax cuts, you know, brackets getting lost. I don't know. There's a lot to get done by Memorial Day. Yeah, it's too big to fail.
It's got to be. It's got to happen. The Republicans have complete control of government. They have the House, the Senate and the White House. They've got to get it done. The Trump presidency is on the line. And this whole talk about having a tax increase on the top, you know, Trump tweeted out that, well, George H.W. Bush did it and he broke his read my lips, no new taxes pledge when he did that.
That was to get Democratic votes because the Democrats controlled the House and Senate. The idea that the Republican Party would have a tax increase in an all Republican bill. You're not even doing it to get to to get Democrats on board is insanity. Well, here's what he said about that, about the possibility that that tax bracket, the cut for the tax bracket, top bracket will expire. Here's what he says. So it's really a redistribution.
And I'm willing to do it if they want. I would love to be able to give people in a lower bracket a big break by giving up some of what I have.
Josh, I don't know that Republicans want to be about redistribution or to be seen as voting for any kind of tax increase, although these are the upper earners we're talking about. Yeah, look, this is not the same Republican Party, though, that Trump had in the first term. They're a lot more dependent on working class votes. And I think Trump is looking to figure out a way to get some of the revenue that's really hard to come by. Look, I think Republicans...
In the end, they usually are united. Trump has immense loyalty with the rank and file members of his own party. But boy, this is exposing some real divisions within a Republican Party that is very fractured ideologically. You've got, you know, we talk about the blue state Republicans who may want assault deductions, local tax deductions.
Medicaid cuts from the conservatives. Trump is now, you know, as Mark was saying, calling for these tax hikes. That doesn't fit together easily. So I think ultimately Republicans are going to play team ball and get together, but it may pass the deadline that they're looking to get things done by Memorial Day. I don't know if they can get it done in that short amount of time. Well, so what
the president's biggest allies, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's one of the ones out there saying if you let this top bracket expire, she says it's going to raise it's going to raise taxes on small business owners, Francesca. So she says that's one of the things that you have to be honest about. So as you were saying, the major sticking point, this salt cap.
New York Republicans, this is the hill they say that they are willing to die on. The next two days are going to be very critical for this bill. I'm told that tomorrow morning that there's going to be a meeting about this and the rest of the issues in the House Ways and Means Bill because they want to be able to release this full text. They've only done partial text for this.
by Tuesday. You also have two other committees that have to get through all these things. And my sources are telling me that they still feel very optimistic about this timeline. But Shannon, as you know, the last 10 yards in these bills are always the most difficult.
And they're feeling a lot of pressure on Capitol Hill right now because now that they have this X date for the debt limit to expire, they've got to get this done by August at the absolute latest. Well, as we are watching that all play out on the scene, back on the scene this week is a man who's probably happy he's not dealing with this nightmare of a legislative nightmare is President Biden. Here he is on The View talking about whether he would have beaten President Trump if he'd stayed in the race.
Knowing what you know now, do you think you would have beat him? Yeah, he still got 7 million fewer votes. Yes. A lot of people didn't show up. Number one, number one. Number two, they're very close in those toss-up states. It wasn't a slam dunk. Juan, is it helpful to have President Biden back on the scene for your party?
No. If you wanted a one word answer, you know, look, he's not running. He's not going to help the party with the midterms or these off year elections. And he's not running for 28 for president, obviously. So I think this is about rewriting history, because I think a lot of Democrats, including Biden, Democrats,
Say, you know, we wouldn't have Trump to deal with if Biden had dealt with this differently. Some people said he should have quit earlier, gotten out of the race earlier, or that he should have set a different set of parameters for Kamala Harris to allow her to distance herself from him when she was in the race.
And there are now books coming out to talk about his mental decline and age and it all being a big cover up. So he's out there trying to change that narrative in a big way. I can understand it. But when you have the debate performance and, you know, sometimes there are pictures of him stumbling up Air Force One, it hurts. You can't argue with those images and his performance in that debate.
I will say this, that right now, if you think about it, going back to Biden's term, Biden was younger at this point than Trump is now. And I think the one guy that we can say in politics is undefeated is Father Time. You got to wonder what's going on.
Well, his last physical had flying colors and high marks from the official physician. So we wish President Trump a long, healthy life. Guys, stick around. Don't go far. Coming up, the world on edge as a delicate ceasefire between nuclear-armed neighbors India and Pakistan appears to be shaky this morning.
from the region with all the latest and we'll get reaction from both sides of the aisle. Republican Tom Cotton, chair of the Senate Intel Committee and Democrat Jared Moskowitz, who sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. They're next. Hey, what's up, guys? It's Chris Pratt here.
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India and Pakistan accusing each other of violating a ceasefire just hours after it began. Fox News correspondent Steve Harrigan is live in India with more. Hello, Steve. Shannon, the world really has been on edge watching these two nuclear powers go toe-to-toe for the past four days. Right now there is a ceasefire in place that's been confirmed by officials both in India and Pakistan. President Trump announcing that ceasefire after U.S. mediation on Truth Social.
Mr. Trump posting, I'm very proud of the strong and unwaveringly powerful leadership of India and Pakistan for having the strength, wisdom, and fortitude to fully know and understand that it was time to stop the current aggression that could have led to the death and destruction of so many and so much. Even though there's a ceasefire in place, there still has been sporadic fighting back and forth. India has blamed Pakistani-backed terror attacks for the problems.
We are truly, truly thankful to President Trump. I think the best would be if our partners in the U.S. would tell the Pakistanis to stop supporting these terrorists.
The spark that set this current fighting off occurred last month in the disputed territory of Kashmir. It was there 26 Indian tourists were executed by terrorists. Pakistan says they had no connection to that terror attack, but they do warn there could be more trouble ahead. We deserve the right to respond also at the time of our own choosing and the place of our own choosing.
There have been four wars fought over Kashmir in the past 50 years. The world waiting and watching now to see if this ceasefire holds. Shannon, back to you. Steve Harrigan in India. Thank you very much, Steve. Joining us now, Senator Tom Cotton, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee. Welcome back. Thank you, Shannon. It's good to be here. First off, let me say happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there, especially my mom and Anna, the wife of my wife and the
mother of our two boys, Gabriel and Daniel. They're very fortunate to have her as a mom, and I'm lucky to have her as a wife. They are. She's a very special woman. So our wishes to her as well. So let's start where Steve left off, which is India, Pakistan. We heard the ceasefire. Then we heard reports last night of explosions, of drone attacks. Where do we go from here?
Well, India and Pakistan have had many conflicts in their nearly 80-year modern history. And those conflicts have been magnified in the last 30 years since both of them acquired nuclear weapons. What you saw over the last few days is an example of strong American leadership under President Trump.
No country in the world has the kind of relationships and intelligence abilities that we do to give assurances to both India and Pakistan to help them walk back the conflict and get a ceasefire and try to work through their differences. Obviously, there's a lot still to be mediated, especially Pakistan's support or at least toleration for terrorist groups on its territory. But I commend President Trump for once again showing what strong American leadership looks like.
Well, there's a lot of talking going on as well with regard to Ukraine and Russia this weekend. So you have these European leaders get together. Apparently, French President Macron put President Trump on the phone. They were talking with Zelensky about getting this 30-day ceasefire starting tomorrow. Now, Russia has responded that they want to start talks directly starting on Thursday, not agreeing to the ceasefire starting tomorrow. Zelensky says unless there's a ceasefire, there's no starting the talking. So where does that go?
Well, it's hard to have direct talks about any kind of final settlement in the Ukraine war when Russia is still attacking Ukrainian troops in the forward line of troops and shooting missiles and drones at residential apartment buildings and hospitals. That's why President Trump has said he wants to see a ceasefire so you can move directly to talks. Ukraine is ready to implement that ceasefire.
European leaders have called upon Vladimir Putin to do the same. What President Trump wants, and I think what America should ask, is for European leaders to be prepared to step up and do exactly what they're asking the United States to do, to impose sanctions on Russia, to stop taking Russian gas.
to freeze and ultimately use the hundreds of billions of dollars of Russian assets in their banks to help support Ukraine and ultimately help rebuild Ukraine. So President Trump is prepared to lead, as he has been, on getting a kind of ceasefire or amnesties in the Ukraine war, but we need to make sure that Europe is doing at least as much
but on their own part that they asked the United States to do. So on this topic of those negotiations and our role in them, NBC is reporting this weekend that Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, during three high-level meetings with Putin, didn't use his own interpreter, instead using an interpreter from the Kremlin. Michael McFaul, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, told them this. He said using the Kremlin's interpreter was, quote, a very bad idea that put Witkoff at a real disadvantage.
McFaul went on to say, I speak Russian and have listened to Kremlin interpreters and U.S. interpreters at the same meeting, and the language is never the same.
If that reporting is accurate, why would we agree to that? Well, first, I don't necessarily credit that reporting. But second, Steve Witkoff is a very skilled and capable negotiator. He has the president's total trust, and he's 100 percent loyal to the president. He's doing what the president has asked to try to get Vladimir Putin to the table with Vladimir Zelensky to get to a ceasefire. So I have confident confidence.
His confidence that that's what he's doing on the Ukraine dispute, just like I have confidence in what he's doing right now in Oman negotiating with Iran over its nuclear program. And I do want to get to Ron, but quickly, one question on China, because obviously while we watch to see what happens with Russia, President Xi there spending time in Moscow this week, and reporters reported that, Reuters reported it this way. They say Chinese President Xi Jinping told Russia's Vladimir Putin on Thursday their two countries should be, quote, friends of steel.
as they pledged to raise cooperation to a new level and, quote, decisively counter the influence of the United States. Your response? Well, this goes back years. It started the Ukraine war. Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin declared an all-weather friendship. And China has been covertly supporting Russia's war in Ukraine through the use of dual-use technology. You have Chinese nationals now fighting, at least with the tacit acquiescence.
of communist China. We shouldn't be surprised to see two anti-American dictators working against American interests. President Trump is clear-eyed about both of them, though.
So let's get to Iran. As you mentioned, we're having talks this weekend led by Mr. Wyckoff. Here's what Breitbart here's what he told Breitbart. He said, we've stated our position. The Iranians cannot have a bomb. They have stated back to us that they don't want one. So we're going to, for the purposes of this discussion, take them at their word that that's actually how they feel. Do you take them at their word?
Well, I think we can go back to Ronald Reagan's dictum of trust but verify. I had a good conversation last week with Steve before he left Romine. We're going to talk this week once he's back. He's been very clear what President Trump's position is. Iran cannot have the ability to enrich uranium. That's really the critical path to getting a nuclear weapon.
So they can't have centrifuges. They can't enrich uranium at all. Because if you enrich to any level, you can ultimately enrich to weapons-grade levels. That's the unified position of the American government. That's been our position for many years. And again, that's the example of what strong American leadership looked like. That would be a good, strong deal.
Barack Obama's deal allowed them to have centrifuges and a vast nuclear infrastructure to enrich uranium. What you see here is the difference between, on the one hand, President Trump's America first approach, which recognizes the mortal threat that a nuclear Iran poses to the United States, and what you might call the blame America first mindset,
which blames America for the tensions we have with Iran, says that, well, a bad deal is better than going to war and that's our only other choice is. That's what Barack Obama used to say. President Trump rejects that mindset. He believes it's possible to get a deal with Iran because of the pressure we've put on them, because of the economic pressure we've put on them, and because, frankly, the Ayatollahs are scared to death of Donald Trump, and they have been for eight years. That's why they tried to kill him last year on the campaign trail.
So we'll see what they say to Steve today and whether or not they're willing to change their tune. But President Trump has been very clear. I mean, he couldn't put it more plainly. He has said Iran can make a good deal and they can live happily without death. Otherwise, there will be bombing. Will you push for it to be put to a vote in the Senate, like a treaty? If President Trump wants that, I
I think you could get the votes for it because the reason that we rejected on a bipartisan basis the Obama deal, even Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, voted against Barack Obama's deal, is that it was a bad, controversial deal. If President Trump wants to put it forward, I'm confident it would be a strong deal that is fully verifiable and enforceable that prevents Iran from ever getting a path to a nuclear weapon. All right, Senator Codd, thank you very much. Always great to have you with us. Thank you.
All right, joining me now, Florida Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz, who sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Congressman, welcome back. Let's pick it up there. What would you like to see from these talks with Iran? Well, thanks, Shannon, and happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Well, look, what I would like to see actually is a little tougher language coming out of the Trump administration. I'm to the right of this issue to the J.D. Vance Witkoff approach, and I agree, quite frankly, more with Senator Lindsey Graham and probably Senator
Tom Cotton, Iran is the weakest they've been in a period of time. Now is not the time to appease them. Now is the time to put maximum pressure on them and make sure that we dismantle the nuclear program. I'm not saying we should start bombing the facility, but I'm saying all options should be on the table, right? That is the Trump language.
And so I just believe we have to make sure that there's a dismantling of the nuclear facility one way or another. Listen, we like on Fox News Sunday that we're bringing together bipartisan agreement. Jared Moskowitz, Tom Cotton. Listen, if you have some moment of agreement, we're happy to facilitate that. But let's stay there. You said all options on the table. What are your concerns with if Israel decides to move forward with a strike, what the U.S. role should or shouldn't be? Talking about all those facilities within Iran.
Well, look, you know, I don't know if Israel will move without the United States. But that being said, look, we have precedent over the last couple of years that, you know, if Israel makes an offensive action, the United States pledges to defend Israel. And so if that if that's what the Trump doctrine is on that, I think that would be satisfactory that if Israel decides to go make a strike, that the United States will pledge to defend Israel from any Iranian response.
But look, I want to see if we can do this peacefully, right? President Trump has the capability, we've seen it many times before, right now to put maximum pressure on Iran, use that tough language and see if we can get the dismantling of those nuclear facilities. If not, I'd like to see President Trump say that he will dismantle it one way or another.
Let the Iranians know, again, all options are on the table. Okay. As you said, he says he wants diplomacy, but again, everything is on the table. I want to ask you about something else that's got your party in the headlines this weekend, which is the incident at the ICE facility in New Jersey on Friday. DHS says that they've got body cam footage they've shared with us. They say several people, including elected officials, broke into a federal facility that's operating lawfully.
Here's their side of the story. They say members of Congress storming into a detention facility goes beyond a bizarre political stunt and puts the safety of our law enforcement agents and detainees at risk. Members of Congress are not above the law and cannot illegally break into detention facilities. DHS says the worst of the worst, according to them, are housed there. Murderers, rapists, child predators, gang members. Is this a good look for your party?
Well, let me say this. That statement is not true, not accurate. What happened is that every member of Congress has the ability to go and tour a nice facility. And in fact, they went on the tour. They were allowed in. They toured the whole facility. That's why you saw statements of them saying, actually, the facility was in good shape. The folks there seemed to be doing okay. So they were allowed in. They got a tour. And then somebody made a decision.
on the way out. Someone in Homeland made a decision on the way out to do this. First of all, one of these members is 80 years old. So this language, this January 6th language that was specifically used by Homeland, they stormed the facility. That's
That's a lie. They were invited in to tour the facility. And then on the way out, something happened where they decided to go and arrest the mayor of Newark. By the way, they did this with people who were not badged, who covered their face as if they were on some sort of ice raid with criminals. Not the mayor and not three congressmen. So I got to be honest, I think someone at Homeland decided to set them up
as they were exiting the facility. With the deep state, remember, that still exists, right? - Okay, well, what DHS is saying is that there was a bus of detainees coming in through a gate. Again, this is DHS's account of it, and that some of these folks forced their way into that bus
where the bus was coming in through the fencing and they got to a security checkpoint. As for the mayor, who is running for governor, by the way, he apparently had been out there protesting for days. At one point, it showed up with a bulldozer. So clearly there are a lot of conflicting conversations, optics, accounts of what happened there. This is the acting ICE director, Todd Lyons. He says his personnel was put in danger because of this. Here's his take.
So what was this about? Well, look...
For me personally, I've been very tough on the criminals that are here illegally, right? They should be removed from the country. So I don't disagree with what Mr. Lyons is saying when it comes to criminals who are here illegally.
But he is diverting attention from what happened at that ICE facility. To be clear, one of those members is 80 years old. It is a lie that they stormed the facility. That language was used specifically, and it's not true. They actually toured the whole facility. You can't storm a facility that ICE said, come in and look around. Do your oversight, which they're federally allowed to do.
And then why would you need 15 masked people to go and deal with the mayor of Newark and three congressmen? So this doesn't look right. I think it looks bad, quite frankly, for homeland. There's a lot of questionable things going on at homeland recently, including the firing of the FEMA administrator right before hurricane season. And so, look, you know, this is unfortunate. And if this continues to happen, where members of Congress are going to be attacked—
physically attacked by the administration. This is going to have reverberations on whether the House can function. Okay, well, everyone is presumed innocent with the charges that they may be facing or that are coming, and so we'll track it and try to get more of that story. I think it's interesting that we have such conflicting...
of exactly what went down. Let me ask you about this. You, back home in Florida, my home state, you have been taking some heat from the more progressive wing of your party, most recently for not showing up for this town hall that they had put together. One of the organizers said this, we worked hard to get him elected and now he's not answering questions.
They say the crowd then booed, then somebody yelled primary him, then there was applause. Are you, like many of your party, kind of caught in the middle between the old and the new guard, the progressive wings? Do you feel like the party has coalesced about who's leading it and how you move forward?
Yeah. So first on that town hall, it wasn't my town hall. It was a town hall the special interest group put on and they invited all three Congress people from the area and none of them came. So it wasn't that I just didn't show up. No one showed up from from Congress. You know, that being said, my district is a D plus two district. It's a moderate district. I'm a moderate. I'm not a progressive. I've never said I was a progressive.
I have Democratic values. I've been a Democrat my whole life. I have fought for those values, and I will continue to do so in Congress. But Democrats have to, like, get one thing straight. We need to win. This purity thing that we want to go through, that's great if we want to continue to be in the minority. But if we want to win, we got to put people in seats that can win those seats. We got Democrats in Trump seats. You can't run progressives there. We'll lose those seats.
And so, look, we have a big tent. There's room for all of these ideas in our party. But if we're going to make Hakeem Jeffries the speaker, it's going to run through districts like mine and 20 others where moderate Dems have to win. Progressives can't win there. Well, 20, 2016 already in full campaign mode. That is always fair to say. And thank you for your time. We appreciate it, Congressman, always. Thanks, Shannon.
Well, at least 80 pro-Palestinian demonstrators arrested after taking over Columbia University's library. We discuss the Trump administration's newest efforts to crack down with the panel next. You'll love this. She's made up her mind.
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That was a scene on Columbia University's campus this week as dozens of people wearing masks, many of them carrying Palestinian flags, vandalized the on-campus library. Now, Columbia has been under pressure from the Trump administration to change the way it handles these kinds of demonstrations. So has it?
We are back now with our panel. I want to read something from The Wall Street Journal. Their assessment says the school's response to the protests contrasted with its approach last year when chaotic and sometimes violent pro-Palestinian protests and encampments led the school to move classes online.
and cancel its main graduation ceremony. So Josh, how'd they do this time around? - Well look, a little pressure from the government apparently goes a long way. It's an interesting contrast. Harvard is fighting the Trump White House, trying to make reforms to some of its procedures. Columbia has been more willing to play ball, and Claire Shipman, who's the new president, called the NYPD in. That's something that the previous administration did not do right away.
should they arrested these masked protesters. They found that a lot of them have extremist rhetoric, extremist ties. So this is a sign that the government pressure is having benefits.
in terms of trying to restore some peace and normalcy on Columbia's campus. That said, like a lot of the challenges are very deeply rooted. It's the faculty. It's the fact that they've brought in students who are very radical and activist types instead of the more high-achieving students that Columbia was known for in the past. So I think it goes, they have a lot more to do, but it is, I think, encouraging that you see the difference between last year at this time and more recently.
more aggressive approach this time. Well, Francesca, the White House is still in negotiations with a lot of these universities, and there's a lawsuit from Harvard as a result of it.
And we saw over this past week that at Columbia, they had to lay off 180 staff members, which they say is essentially 20 percent of those who were working on the grants that are now caught up in this battle between the White House and the Trump administration, as well as the university. And a senior official told me that they're feeling good about where things are. They said that everyone's capitulating. But to your point, Harvard has continued to fight this. So not not everyone. But
But with respect to what's going to happen there, you saw the education secretary also respond favorably over this past week. But when it comes to the Republican Party, this has been very popular for Trump's base. In an AP poll this past week, eight in 10 Republicans said that they liked the way that he was handling colleges and universities. I do want to note, though, that when it comes to cutting their research funding, though, only about half of Republicans wanted to see that.
Well, so and to this point, too, of how the administration's handling all of this here is borders are Tom Holman talking about if you're a student, if you're not, if you're here on some kind of special visa and you're taking part. Here's his warning.
If they want to come here and support our enemies, our terrorist organization, they want to take over college campuses, they want to assault security guards, they want to damage college property, they're going to be deported. Juan, is that something you can support? No. You know, to me, we need as a country to confront anti-Semitism where it's real.
But I think the Trump administration is using anti-Semitism and the difficulties that we all face in understanding what's happening in the Middle East to go after elite institutions, elite educational institutions that have educated, you know, low income kids. And I can think of some at this table who benefited from great schools like Columbia, Harvard, the Ivy Leagues and the like.
Tom Cotton was just sitting here, a guy from Arkansas. So you have to understand, when you think about cancer research, when you think about high tech, when you think about that young woman from Tufts who was sent down to a detention facility in Louisiana from Massachusetts, you understand that
that no one elected this president to be the dean of America's colleges. No, that's just not what it is. Maybe he should spend time on the economy and stop all this talk about recession as a result of his tariffs. But I just think that what you have here is a president who is pursuing, apparently, what you heard Francesca say, popular with his base. It's a culture wars effort to go after our greatest intellectual asset, our our
Our colleges and universities. This whole weaponizing anti-Semitism line, there would be nothing to weaponize if these institutions weren't rife with anti-Semitism. I mean, you just look at the experience of Jewish students on these campuses. It is a violation of federal law to not protect Jewish students on these campuses, and they've been harassed, they've been prevented from getting their access to an education, and the
fact that it takes that they didn't do anything until the Trump administration threatened their funding. And the faculty who said that all of a sudden the faculty got outraged when their funding was upset because they why were they not outraged that Jewish students in their midst were being were being harassed and treated? I don't think I don't think anybody should be harassed, Mark. But I think that we have a First Amendment protection for legitimate debate.
You do not have a First Amendment right to go into a library and take over and do what they did in that video. Look, we can go back to Dr. King. They have a right to protest if they are willing to pay the price, which was incarceration. But they have a right to state their views. There's no right to do what they did in that video. There's no First Amendment right to that. That's not about anti-Semitism. We can agree that stating views and harassing people are two different things, and the price may be deportation. So we will watch those cases and see. Panel, thank you very much. We'll see you next Sunday.
By the way, newly elected Pope Leo XIV gave his first blessing in St. Peter's Square since being tapped as the next pontiff. We're going live to Rome for new details about how he spent his first days and what it tells us about what kind of pope he may be. Liberty. Liberty.
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Newly elected Pope Leo XIV settling into his new role as the leader of the world's 1.4 billion Catholics after being elected Thursday. Chief religion correspondent Lauren Green is live on the ground in Rome. And Lauren, we got to hear from him his first official remarks there for a Sunday gathering.
Absolutely. Well, you know, time will tell to see how he will do. Of course, there's a lot of excitement about, you know, the new and the shiny. But I think if you look at his resume, if you look at even the last three days, we can kind of get glimpses of the kind of Pope that he will be. Of course, the Angelus this morning, the first time a Pope has given the Angelus in person because, you know, Pope Francis was very, very sick and was not able to do it himself. So Pope Leo was the first time in weeks, if not months.
of a pope to give the Angelus in person. He talked about getting peace in the Ukraine, peace in the Middle East, and calling for peace. What's interesting about this pope is that he seems to be a conglomeration of the last three papacies. He's got the passion and the person of
John Paul II. He's got the intellect of Benedict XVI. He's a doctorate in canon law. And he's got the missionary and ministry mind of a Pope Francis. So he's got a conglomeration of all three of these. And I think people are really very excited about seeing how he moves forward as he takes this ministry that the cardinals have given him. Shannon? And Lauren, explain to us his Augustinian background, what that may tell us about who he is.
Well, the Augustine background is going to be so important. I think a lot of people will be opening up the books of confession with Augustine Rodeo, who's a 4th century bishop. And he talked about this conglomeration of faith and reason, that you really can't have faith without reason, that you have an intellectual approach to faith and understanding human relationships and everything that you've gone through. And that...
You know, the things of the earth, the things of material wealth, they ultimately will not satisfy. And, you know, of course, Augustine wrote that incredible line, you have made us for ourselves, Lord, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in you. And I think a lot of people were going back to Augustine and really looking at who he was. And that will tell you a lot about who Pope Leo XIV is and how he will run his papacy.
Well, we know you've been working around the clock there on a very, very exciting week. And Lauren, we thank you very much for your reporting your insights and we wish you the safest travels home as well.
Thank you so much, Shannon. Pleasure. God bless you. OK, just a quick note. My podcast Live in the Bream drops today. And this week I talked with author Lane Lawson Craft about how Mother's Day can be a difficult time, especially if you're in the midst of serious parenting challenges. Her latest book, Warfare Parenting, walks you through how to pray for your prodigal. That is this week's Live in the Bream, wherever you like to get your podcasts.
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