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I'm Shannon Breen, the FBI investigating an act of terrorism at a fertility clinic as deadly tornadoes hit several states. And as President Trump secures billions in economic deals overseas, can he reach an agreement back here at home on his big, beautiful bill?

President's agenda on the line, House Republicans work to pass his big, beautiful bill by the Memorial Day deadline. Speaker Mike Johnson joins us exclusively to talk about efforts to persuade hardline holdouts ahead of tonight's potential vote by the Budget Committee.

Then Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE all making deals with the U.S. As the president signals, it's also inching closer to a deal with Iran. You know, they have to move quickly. Something bad, something bad is going to happen. And looking for the path forward to end the war in Ukraine. Look, nothing's going to happen until Putin and I get together. OK, we're joined by Special Envoy Adam Bowler, who helped secure the release of the last American hostage in Gaza. And he's also helping to secure the release of the last American hostage in Gaza.

and Senator Tim Kaine, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee. And he knew exactly what that meant. He's calling for the assassination of the president. Former FBI Director James Comey sparks an uproar over that seashell picture. And audio of special counsel Herr's interview with then President Joe Biden is released. We'll ask our Sunday panel about the reckoning Democrats are facing over how much they knew about a president in decline. All right now on Fox News Sunday.

Hello from Fox News in Washington. In just a minute, we'll get the very latest from Speaker Mike Johnson on the uncertainties surrounding that big, beautiful bill. But first, we're following breaking stories on multiple fronts this morning. Investigators are trying to determine what led a Mexican tall ship to slam into the Brooklyn Bridge last night, killing two people on board and injuring more than a dozen others. No one on the bridge was injured, and the mayor says the iconic structure is still safe and open for foot and vehicle traffic.

At least 27 people have been killed by severe storms in several states across the Midwest and South, including 18 in Kentucky, where a tornado caused major damage. We're going to take you there for a live report in just a minute. But first, to a deadly bombing at a fertility clinic in California that the FBI says was, quote, an intentional act of terrorism. Jonathan Hunt joins us from Palm Springs with more. Hello, Jonathan.

Good morning, Shannon. The blast site is right behind me here where the investigation has continued all night and will likely go on for some time as officials try to piece together the movements and the motives of the suspect who's believed to be the only person who died in this attack.

The powerful explosion destroyed the offices of the American Reproductive Centers Facility Clinic and damaged other buildings across several blocks. The FBI is leading the investigation and says there is no doubt whatsoever that this attack is targeted.

This was an intentional act of terrorism. As our investigation will unfold, we will determine if it's an international terrorism or domestic terrorism. No matter which one...

The suspect in the attack has not yet been formally identified, although the Associated Press reports he left behind an online manifesto of sorts that was essentially anti-life, a belief that the world should not be populated. It's also believed the suspect may be from 29 Palms. That's a desert city about an hour north of Palm Springs that's also home to...

to the U.S. Marine Corps' largest base. Now, we expect another briefing from the FBI and Palm Springs police later today, Shannon. Hopefully that will bring the answers the people of Palm Springs want to hear. Although there is already, I should say, a great deal of relief here that officials are saying there is no further danger that they see at this point.

Shannon. All right, Jonathan Hunt in Palm Springs. Thank you very much, Jonathan. And now to those destructive tornadoes across the central United States. More than two dozen people confirmed dead and a path of destruction is left behind. Fox News national correspondent Garrett Tenney is in London, Kentucky, one of the hardest hit areas. It looks tough as the sun is coming up there, Garrett.

Yeah, Shannon, it really is. And you can really get a sense of the devastation this tornado left behind as it ripped through this community, including this home where a grown son came to check on his parents right as this tornado was hitting. They were here in the hallway when the son heard the roof starting to get ripped off of the home. He tackled his mother into this bathtub. You can see this bathtub is the only part of this home that has any semblance of still standing.

That likely saved their lives. The father, he was in the hallway right outside of the bathroom. He got tossed 20 yards from the home out to the road. Miraculously, he survived. And we are hearing story after story like this.

folks that survived. This home right here, that is the only part of the home still standing. The family that survived was in there. We're told it is miraculous that the death toll isn't already higher than it is, though the governor said late yesterday that death toll is expected to continue to rise from 18 people here in Kentucky as the search and rescue missions continue. Shannon? Just devastating. All right, Garrett Tenney, thank you very much.

And now here to Washington to President Trump's just completed trip to the Middle East and several major developments from that. Madeline Rivera is live at the White House. Hello, Maddie. Shannon, President Trump is back in Washington, D.C., after a trip meant to reshape U.S. policy in the Middle East. The president says the future will be marked with commerce, not chaos.

Saudi Arabia gave President Trump's Middle East trip a flying start, providing fighter jets to escort Air Force One into the kingdom. Then came a lavender carpet rollout, the moment setting the tone for a week filled with opulence. You know, they have a lot of money.

And I want them to spend the money in the United States. The White House says the president has secured billions of dollars of economic investments from the Gulf region, including $600 billion from Saudi Arabia, a historic $1.2 trillion economic commitment from Qatar that includes an agreement to buy up to 210 Boeing planes and $200 billion in commercial deals with the United Arab Emirates. We've been investing in the United States for decades.

But now we are taking it one step further. Yet some goals, particularly on the foreign policy front, remain elusive. The administration is still working on the new nuclear deal with Iran, with the U.S. handing a proposal for an agreement. And there was no meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after he skipped peace talks with Ukraine and Turkey. But now the president says he will be speaking with Putin on Monday, followed by conversations with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and some NATO members with the goal of stopping the bloodbath.

I always felt there can't be a meeting without me. There's a lot of hatred on both sides. Meantime, the president's domestic agenda is facing a key test this week. GOP hardliners in the House Budget Committee block the big, beautiful bill from advancing Friday, partly over concerns regarding Medicaid requirements and spending. The president posting on Truth Social on his way back to the U.S., Republicans must unite behind the one big, beautiful bill, stop talking, and get it done.

This isn't a grand state. We'll compromise somewhat, but we're just not giving the farm away. The House Budget Committee is meeting again tonight at 10 Eastern to vote on the plan. Shannon. All right, Madeline Rivera at the White House, thank you very much. Joining us now, Speaker Mike Johnson. Good to have you back, Speaker.

Hey, Shannon. Great to see you again. OK, so House Budget Committee, the vote failed on Friday. They're back at it at 10 p.m. tonight. You heard what Maddie said. Part of the president's posting on Friday. We don't need grandstanders in the Republican Party. Stop talking and get it done. But you got to be talking with them to turn some of those no's to yeses. How are those conversations going?

They're going well, Shannon. We're on track working around the clock to deliver this nation-shaping legislation for the American people as soon as possible. Look, all 11 of our committees have wrapped up their work and they spent less and saved more than even we projected initially. This really is once in a generation opportunity that we have here. So you heard there the update, the

The Budget Committee will reconvene this evening. They'll get that through the committee, and the plan is to move it to the Rules Committee by midweek and to the House floor by the end of the week so we meet our initial, our original Memorial Day deadline. Now, look, Shannon, it's very important for everybody to understand why we're being so aggressive on the timetable and why this really is so important. This is the vehicle through which we will deliver on the mandate that the American people gave us in the last election. You're going to have historic elections.

savings for the american people historic tax relief for american workers historic investments in border security at the same time they were restored american energy dominance and were rebuilding the uh... the defense industrial base and work ensuring that programs like medicaid and snap are strengthened for the u_s_ citizens who need and deserve them and and not being squandered away by illegal aliens in persons who are ineligible to receive them in achieving the system it looked at tax cuts look is is critical we

We're going to make the 2017 tax cuts permanent. We're going to eliminate taxes on overtime and tips, as the president promised. New tax relief for seniors on Social Security. And we're going to cut taxes on job creators. So that will help everybody across the country.

at the same time as incentivizing american-made production and manufacturing this is a big thing we cannot fail and we'll get it done for the american people ok what a great time to do this is the list of the issue of spending because you and some of your members are not buying it uh... chip roy is one of those who's called this phony math wanna play a couple of things this is from uh... ralph norman and also chip roy they don't think you're serious about cutting spending at least on this measure well i'm telling you is growing number of us

We don't like smoking mirrors. We want real cuts. That's what we agreed to. We are writing checks. We cannot cash. And our children are going to pay the price. Something needs to change or you're not going to get my support. OK, so some of these members and they were both no votes in that budget committee. They'll be back at it tonight. They think it's gimmicks. They say they're getting perks now and pain later. How do you respond?

Well, look, I appreciate Chip and Ralph. They're good friends. We've had lots of conversations. We'll have more today. What they were complaining about or mostly concerned about, I think, is, for example, work requirements in Medicaid. They wanted them to be implemented earlier rather than later. Well, so do we. The concern is what we're trying to work with is the ability of the states to retool their systems and ensure the verification process is to make sure that all the new laws and all the new

safeguards that we're placing can actually be enforced. And so we're working through all those details and we'll get it done. But I tell you what, this is the largest spending reduction in at least three decades, probably longer. It's historic. Russ Vogt is the director of the Office of Management and Budget, of course, in the Trump administration. And he's made the point this is historic absolutely.

As have nearly 500 organizations across the conservative spectrum, Shannon, fiscally responsible groups and those who believe that we've got to turn the tide in spending. We are. This is our opportunity to do it. It's a one-centered generation, as I said, and we can't squander it. Okay, so to the point about Medicaid and the work requirements and the delays on those, again, Ralph Norman speaking out on this saying, delaying work requirements for able-bodied adults on Medicaid to 2029 is,

Isn't progress, he calls it fiscally irresponsible and another sad excuse for the swamp. Why delay those requirements? And listen, you've got the whole objection from Democrats who say you're going to leave people without health care because of cuts to Medicaid. But what about this piece of the puzzle with respect to work requirements for able-bodied?

Look, Ralph and I agree, as does every Republican in Congress, House and Senate, work requirements is a no-brainer. It's like a 90 percent issue on polling. Able-bodied adults who can work should work. It's good for their own purpose and dignity. So why delay it?

Well, as I said, some of the states have – it takes them some time, we've learned in this process, to change their systems and to make sure that these stringent requirements that we will put on that to eliminate fraud, waste, and abuse can actually be implemented. So we're working with them to make sure what the earliest possible date is to put into law something that will actually be useful.

I think we've got to compromise on that. I think we'll work it out. But I can tell you, all of us agree with Ralph. I do, of course. That's why we're putting it in the legislation. But the point about the Democrats is important. Remember, we don't expect a single Democrat to vote for this package, which means that they will be on record voting.

uh... apparently supporting the largest tax increase in u_s_ history which is what will happen by default after the end of this year if we do not get this job done we have to accomplish this mission and we will and i think it's gonna be good for everybody for the american economy i think it's going to send a very important message of stability

to the stock market and the bond markets, and as I mentioned, to job creators and entrepreneurs and risk-takers who want to expand their businesses and add more jobs and increase wages. This will be the pro-growth economy that we have been waiting for and that the American people voted for. We're going to deliver on this, and we'll get everybody in line to do it.

Okay. You may in the House eventually get there. I know your goal is Memorial Day. But what about when you get to the Senate? You've got Senator Ron Johnson over there calling this the Titanic. He says it's going to sink, says he's got enough colleagues over there who believe that you should go back to pre-pandemic spending levels. How tough is the reconciliation going to be with the Senate? Look, we've been in close coordination with the Senate for decades.

Thank you very much.

The package that we send over there will be one that was very carefully negotiated and delicately balanced, and we hope that they don't make many modifications to it because that will ensure its passage quickly. Remember, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said that we need to do this by July 4th. Remember, also included in this package...

is a solution to the debt limit that is coming upon us, the cliff. We've got to get this done and get it to the president's desk by that big celebration on Independence Day. And I'm convinced that we can, Shannon. All right. Quickly, I want to ask you about Moody's on Friday. For the first time in a century, they downgraded the U.S. government's AAA rating. They say an increase in government debt and interest payment ratios, quote, that are significantly higher than similarly rated sovereigns.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says it should be a wake-up call to your party. He says you're hell-bent on a multi-trillion dollar tax cut for the ultra-wealthy. Your response? It's just utter nonsense. It's just like Chuck Schumer to create a crisis and then point fingers of blame. This is the Biden spending spree that got us in this mess. Moody's is not in

incorrect. But that's why that emphasizes the very need for the legislation we're talking about, historic spending cuts. I mean, this will help to change the trajectory for the U.S. economy and send that message of stability to our allies and even our enemies around the world. America is back.

President Trump's one big, beautiful bill will be passed, and that will be the key to turning this thing around. We have to get this done. And it just shows more of the urgency of why we're doing exactly what we're doing with the legislation. Well, a rare 10 p.m. session here for the House Budget Committee tonight. We'll watch that closely. Speaker, we always appreciate your time. Thank you.

Thanks, Shannon. All right, President Trump earning unexpected praise from across the aisle for accomplishments during his Middle East trip. We've got reaction from Senator Tim Kaine, who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee coming up and White House special hostage envoy Adam Bowler next.

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President Trump worked to broker investment deals during his historic Middle East trip this week, also lifted sanctions on Syria and met with that country's controversial leader, urging him to improve relations with Israel. In a moment, we're going to bring in Adam Bowler, special envoy for hostage response, and Virginia Senator Tim Kaine. But first, we go to Trey Yanks live in Tel Aviv, Israel. Hello, Trey.

Shannon, good morning. After President Trump's trip to the Middle East, there are new deals in the works that could see fresh peace agreements. A meeting between President Trump and Syrian leader Ahmad al-Shara marked a historic moment and shift in momentum. Just months ago, the United States had a $10 million bounty on the man who led the charge to overthrow the Assad regime. Now, with sanctions set to be lifted on Syria, President Trump is urging the country to join the Abraham Accords and normalize ties with the United States.

with Israel. The push comes amid the backdrop of Israel's ongoing war in Gaza. This weekend, Israel announced it was expanding operations against the Palestinian enclave while launching a series of airstrikes targeting areas across the strip. Ground forces have been staging along the border, waiting for orders to capture new territory. There is a parallel effort to reach an understanding about aid for Palestinian civilians who haven't seen any food or medical supplies delivered to Gaza

for more than 75 days. A new American-backed organization called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is aiming to start the flow of supplies in the days and weeks ahead to provide much-needed support to the civilian population.

Well, let me be clear. First, this isn't an imperfect plan, but it's a plan that we can operationalize immediately to begin feeding people who desperately need it. And so, you know, these four sites will be secured primarily by American private military contractors.

Last week, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, expressing his concern about the humanitarian situation inside Gaza as the Trump administration continues to work toward a deal to end the war between Israel and Hamas. Shannon. All right. Trey Yangst in Israel. Thank you very much, Trey. Joining us now, Adam Bowler, special envoy for hostage response. Good to have you back.

I want to start here. The president has got some surprising supporters of some of the things that he got done. The trip will talk about that in a little bit. But here's how Axios summed up some of the criticism, says Trump has met with the leader the U.S. officially considers a terrorist, announced he'll lift all sanctions on Syria and cut a truth with the Houthis, plus a hostage deal with Hamas.

both of which excluded Israel. So let's start with Syria's leader at this point. He remains on the U.S. terror list, in large part because of past associations with al-Qaeda and other things. Israel has concerns about him, as do many others. So why do we trust him? Should we now? Well, I think we've looked over the past number of months since he's moved in, and I think there is some reason, and that's why the president is withholding sanctions. Keep in mind, those sanctions were put on a country led by a different individual, and

And so continuing to something where you have a new leader, you've got to refresh and look at it. The other thing I'll say from an Israel perspective is just because the president isn't in person with Netanyahu doesn't mean there's not massive coordination. So the Israelis knew about the meeting in Syria. The Israelis knew they're an ally of us. So we're going back and forth all the time, even if.

The president is not in person with Netanyahu at the moment. OK, so last time you were here, we were talking about the release of the hostages. You were working in conversations with Hamas. Specifically, there was great concern over Adan Alexander as an American finally released this week. What has it been like to return him to his family?

There's nothing better in the world. It was Mother's Day when we were able to tell Yael, his mother, that he was going to come home. And I have to say, you know, my job has some real ups and downs. This was an unbelievable thing to bring a mother and a father and their kids to a son. So I was very happy. It's our 49th American that's returned home under President Trump, and we've got an A-team doing it.

Yeah, it is a work around the clock. And yet there are still hostages that are left with Hamas. It sounds like, according to wire reports coming out, the talks in Doha over those are not going well. What can you tell us about U.S. role at this point and where we go from here?

Well, I would say that I wouldn't say that they're not going well. I say that they're very fluid. I know that Steve Woodcliffe has been working very hard on this and pushing. And what we made very clear to Hamas is that things need to move forward. You see Don coming out.

In my mind, that's a sign that Hamas understands that if they want to move forward in any way possible, if they want this barrage of attacks to stop, which all Palestinians do at this point, then they need to release the hostages. And so we've continued to emphasize that point. I think our team, Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff, at the president's orders had

been very tough on that. And it's through that toughness, through that strength that we're going to see hostages released. We saw Adan released. We have four American bodies that need to be released, too. So a blessing to have Adan home. And we wish you all the best in those negotiations over those who remain not only there in Gaza, but around the world. Special Envoy Adam Buller, thank you. Thanks, Sharon. OK, joining us now, Virginia Democratic Senator Tim Kaine, member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator, welcome back.

Great, Shannon. Good to be with you. OK, so let's pick up with the president's trip. Here's how one of your Democratic colleagues over on the House side, he's the ranking member on House Intel, Jim Himes. Here's how he assessed the president's trip. Not in the habit of praising Donald Trump. I got to tell you, I think the president has in this last week or so played the Middle East pretty darn well. How do you assess the trip?

Um, Shannon, I'll go the good, the bad and the incomplete. So there is good. Um, I do think opening this new chapter with the Syrian leadership is a positive. I would have suspended sanctions for 90 days rather than lifting them to make sure there was good behavior. But I think that's a positive. Houthis are not firing at U.S. ships in the Red Sea. That's a positive.

The discussions with Iran about restoring the nuclear deal that Donald Trump foolishly tore up in Term 1, that's a positive. This hostage release is a positive. On the bad side, you have glaring, glaring corruption issues raising again and again and again with the Qataris' offer of a plane to Donald Trump, frankly, in his private capacity. Crypto deals, real estate deals benefiting Donald Trump's family. That is a horrible thing, and I urge...

especially the Qataris, turn around before you stain your reputation with the United States in a way that you won't be able to recover from. And then the incomplete is we've got to get back to the ceasefire and hostage release mode we were in when Donald Trump became president. And I know they're working very hard on it. And the release of this one American hostage was a positive thing.

But I really worry that the IDF escalation of attacks in Gaza is going to push out ceasefire and hostage release farther and farther out into the future. Nearly two thirds of Israelis don't believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing enough to prioritize hostage release and ceasefire. The U.S. should be leaning in heavier to try to help Gaza.

get us to that day. Yeah, and it sounds like we do have a voice in that mix. Those talks for Doha for now are continuing there, so we'll watch to see if that bears any fruit. To the point about the Qatari plane, the president continues to say, and by all accounts, it would belong to the United States, not to him. That's my understanding of the deal, the Defense Department. So we'll see where that goes, because there are Republicans and many of your colleagues who have publicly said they don't think it's a great idea either.

But let's go to Iran, because you mentioned that the president said on this trip we're getting closer to a deal. He says, I'm using trade to settle scores and make peace. So it sounded like there was progress there. But this morning, I'm looking at the feed of Iran's supreme leader, and it has all kinds of things that don't sound like they're inching closer. He says, you know, Trump says he wants to use power for peace. He's lying. We're going to continue to...

you know, enhance our own power, increase our own power for our country's power every single day. It's very critical. Where do you think we are on these talks?

Shannon, I think the issue that's still the stumbling block, if you watch what happened last week, it's whether the stumbling block is whether Iran can have a civilian nuclear program but strict limits to stop them from having any military use. So could they enrich for civilian purposes as long as that enrichment is limited enough

to a level that couldn't be used for military. And you've heard Vice President Vance and even President Trump suggested that some level of civilian enrichment might be acceptable. You have Senate Republicans pushing back on that idea. So I think that's probably the tough issue right now. That's my intuition, not my intelligence.

But it the fact that the dialogue is ongoing is good. Dialogue guarantees nothing. But the absence of dialogue almost always guarantees something bad. And so let's keep the dialogue going and see where we can get. You'll hear tough talk from both sides.

until there is a deal if there is a deal that's to be understood but the dialogue is ongoing that positive so i'd i like to be ramping up again tomorrow when it comes to russia and ukraine president from says he's got a call scheduled with president putin he'll then speak with uh... president zelinski who we know is meeting apparently now with vice president uh... vance and also secretary rubio over in italy so

What do you need to see from these calls? What do you think would be a measure of progress? At what point does the U.S. disengage, should we, if there's not progress? Well, we shouldn't accept a bad deal. We should disengage rather than accept a bad deal and foist it off on the Ukrainians and all of Europe.

You know, look, I have spent a lot of time in the last two months with key European allies, Ukraine, Poland, Germany and Finland. They all agree Putin is in bad faith. They do not believe Putin will enter into a ceasefire on terms that are acceptable to anyone. But they are praising us for trying. You know, if you if you don't try, you know, it's not going to work out.

The key will be an agreement that the Ukrainians who are the victims, they were not the aggressors. Vladimir Putin illegally invaded a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason is committing war crimes every day. I was in Ukraine the day after the Palm Sunday bombing in Sumy a couple of weeks ago.

The key will be, are there terms that the Ukrainians feel are acceptable and also that European nations feel are acceptable? And Shannon, the reason that's important is European nations know that they will be needed to provide security in a post ceasefire environment. And so you can't cut a deal that they don't approve of or they're not part of and then tell them that they have to provide security guarantees. They need to also look at this as a positive deal.

The Europeans are extremely skeptical about Vladimir Putin, but we got to keep trying and then let the Ukrainians and Europeans in the room essentially with us to decide whether a deal, if it comes to pass, is a good one or not. Yeah, I look forward to read out from those calls tomorrow. Meanwhile, I want to ask you about something domestically. You were a big supporter of President Biden and his reelection campaign, and we've had a lot of revelations this week.

The tapes have now come out of Robert Herr interviewing the president about handling classified documents back in October of 2023. We've got some of that later in the show. But for people who haven't heard them or had a chance to listen, Axios describes them this way. In a dry whisper voice and amid long, uncomfortable pauses, Biden struggled to recall when his son died, when he left office as vice president, what year Donald Trump was elected. And this all comes on the heels of this new book that paints a picture of what to a lot of people sounds like a cover up.

What do you say today with this information out there about what Democrats did know before the president decided to run for re-election? Was it a good idea?

What I knew, Shannon, is the Joe Biden I saw at the State of the Union in 2024 was very, very strong. Obviously, the Joe Biden at the debate in later June was not strong. And I told Virginians at that moment, look, if Joe Biden is not able to do this job, he's going to tell us and he's going to withdraw if he stays in the race. It's because he knows he can do this job. And he made the very difficult decision today.

to withdraw. I mean, I think you and I know we've dealt with with aging relatives. It's hard to convince somebody to give up their car keys. Joe Biden made the decision to give up the the office of the presidency, the most powerful office in the world.

And, you know, you can go back and try to rethink what should have happened in 2024. But my Virginians are talking to me about, can you get rid of the Trump economic chaos? Can you lift tariffs? Can you protect Medicaid and Social Security? They're not asking me to rethink what President Biden or his team did in 2024. We'll talk more about that later in the show, how Democrats are answering that question. But, Senator, we appreciate your time. Thank you always.

You bet, Shana. Thanks. All right. The Supreme Court hearing oral arguments in a case that started with the president's efforts to end birthright citizenship. Our legal eagles are up next with more on that case, how it could impact everything the president is trying to do from immigration to cutting government waste. Weather tech products are the problem is that there are 680 district court judges and they are dedicated and they are scholarly. And I'm not impugning their motives in any way. But, you know, sometimes they're wrong.

That was Justice Samuel Alito this week as the Supreme Court tackled a rare May argument over just how much power a single federal judge should have to shut down the president's policies nationwide. Just one of the many legal battles that we brought in experts to help us here tackle. Ilya Shapiro, Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow and Director of Constitutional Studies. And Tom Dupree, former Principal Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General. Okay, gentlemen, Tom, I'm going to start with you. Slate it for an hour. Went two and a half hours, and I still don't know what they're going to do. Okay.

Well, you and the rest of America, Shannon. Look, this is kind of a bonus argument for Supreme Court groupies. It was put on the calendar in May, which is very rare. And I thought the argument was absolutely fascinating. The issue, of course, is birthright citizenship. But the case really is about the propriety of nationwide injunctions.

And as Justice Alito said, there is a real problem. And liberal justices have recognized this, too, is that you have single district judges issuing orders that run nationwide. What was interesting to me was that we saw a little bit of disagreement among the conservative justices during the argument.

Justice Thomas really approached the issue through the lens of history, as he often does, whereas Justices Barrett and Kavanaugh were a bit more interested in the practical consequences of saying no more nationwide injunctions. Do you want to have thousands of lawsuits filed? Do you have class actions? So we really were getting insight into the justices wrestling with these very, very complex questions of constitutional law. Yeah, and they had to think about the realities of what happens if we say no nationwide injunction in the context of this case, because do we want a patchwork of where a baby is a legal sentence?

Not a legal citizen. National Review put it this way. The administration may live to regret choosing this case as a vehicle to decide that question. Yeah, they were they had no option, really. The government wanted to make this appeal. This these nationwide injunctions keep coming up again and again. They had to give us this this bonus nerd out with this extra May argument. But none of the justices seem satisfied with any of the options on the table because they're

Sometimes you do need nationwide injunctions. You can't have either in this case babies being born under different standards or for immigration regulations, say someone flying into JFK in New York versus LAX. Do they get admitted or not admitted depending on what part of the country? So that doesn't make sense.

And ultimately, it looks like Congress would have to step in to either set up a three-judge panel with accelerated appeals or something, because all of the options on the table, whether class action certification, whether restricting in certain ways, that's not really going to solve all of these practical issues. Yeah, so we'll see, because it does impact everything the Trump administration is trying to do, the executive branch, the president, how much power he has.

All right, let's talk about Judge Dugan. This is the judge in Wisconsin who is alleged that when ICE showed up for somebody who was in her courtroom in the country illegally, the allegation is that she helped that person to escape. ICE did chase them down and got them. There is a fundraising email out there on behalf of the Hannah Dugan Legal Defense Fund. It said this this week. They called it an unprecedented attack on the independent judiciary by the federal government. These charges. What do you make of it, Ilya? Well, the...

Anybody can be charged with impeding a federal investigation or allowing someone who's in the country to get away. The twist, of course, here is that there's a state judge involved. So she is not being charged for something that she's done in her official capacity, a state ruling or interpretation, but she...

allegedly, if the facts are true, let this person who the federal agents wanted to arrest out the back door. And if, again, what we've seen, what's been reported, seems like an open and shut case. Well, an interesting nugget. In the motion to dismiss with Judge Dugan's team trying to get rid of this, they cite to the Supreme Court's big decision on presidential immunity saying this, the government cannot prosecute Judge Dugan because she's entitled to judicial immunity for her official acts.

Immunity is an absolute bar to the prosecution at the outset, citing that big case of the Supreme Court. I am the biggest fan of creative legal arguments, but I'm not sure I see this one flying. Look, the fact is, as Ilyas said, the issue is not that the judge made a ruling that the Trump administration didn't like. What she did was something that was outside the bounds of kind of her day job, as it were. Just as if a judge robbed a bank, that judge couldn't say, oh, judicial immunity, I'm a judge.

No. Here what happened, again, as alleged, is that she obstructed and interfered with ISIS and the federal government's attempt to execute this warrant on this illegal alien. That's something that's outside the scope of her judicial duty. So even if you could say the Supreme Court's decision could be stretched to go beyond the president to encompass judges, I'm not sure I see it playing out here.

So presumed innocent. And we will follow that case with Judge Dugan. I want to ask about this case in Aurora, Colorado, where they've been dealing with illegal gang members and other immigration issues. There's a 15 year old teenager in the country illegally alleged going 90 miles an hour, slammed into a young woman, 24 year old in her car, and she was killed. The father of Caitlin Weaver says he was told by the previous D.A. There's no way we'll do a deal, a plea deal in this. And yet that's what's happened. A

Apparently just community service and some probation. Here's Caitlin's father, John Weaver. It's not about deterrence. It's not about, you know, any type of justice or other thing. When they balance this weight of my daughter versus the defendant, it really does favor the defendant. So a statement from the Arapahoe assistant DA there says, we believe the conviction to the highest charge in this case and the negotiated sentence acknowledges the seriousness of this preventable tragedy.

Tom, what do you make of this case? I'm absolutely stunned by this outcome. I don't understand it, and my heart goes out to this family. Their daughter was killed in this horrific accident. It was an act of incredible violence, criminal act, and to let the offender get off with a slap on the wrist, probation.

Makes absolutely no sense to me. What's particularly disturbing is what does appear to have happened is kind of a shift in politics in the prosecutor's office and that they went from a prosecutor who kind of took more aggressive actions against defendants in these cases to one who basically said, let's let this person off again with virtually no meaningful punishment. So it's mystifying. It's disappointing and it's frustrating. Yeah. And Ilya, us lawyer people aside, folks at home do not get this. They don't understand.

Well, I don't get it either. I mean, normally, even tragedies like this, a hit-and-run, a vehicular accident causing someone to be killed, does not make national news. And this looks like being soft on crime. I don't know whether the fact that the perpetrator is an illegal alien has anything to do with it, but it seems like bad sentencing, bad policy. All right, very quickly, the Idaho case, the four college students who were killed out there, that's Brian Koberger, is the suspect. He's accused of killing them. There's been a leak in this case because...

A bunch of information ended up on Dateline that shouldn't have been out there under a gag order. The judge is ordering a list of everybody who made about access to this information. Why is this important at this point in the case?

Well, the issue here is that you need to have an impartial jury. And this case already has gotten incredible publicity, particularly in Idaho. And when you have people, potential jurors, turning on the TV and seeing what's going to be evidence, possibly incriminating evidence that they shouldn't be seeing or at least shouldn't be seeing at this stage outside the confines of a courtroom, it does pose a risk that a court, either now or in the future, could find that this defendant wasn't given a fair trial.

If I were the judge, I would be infuriated by these leaks and I would do exactly what this judge is doing, trying to find out who did this and impose whatever consequences are appropriate. It shouldn't be happening. I hope he's more successful in finding the leaker than the Supreme Court has been. The Dobbs decision. The Dobbs decision, absolutely. But this is, yeah, prejudices the jury again, making a national issue. Anybody following the news, anybody in Idaho certainly is following these news. And so that's going to make the judge's job that much harder.

Ilya and Tom, thank you. We always appreciate your expertise. Good to see you guys. All right. Former FBI director James Comey now under investigation after a social media post that some saw as a threat to the president. Our Sunday panel weighs in. Where's my TV? Exactly what that meant. The child knows what that meant. If you're the FBI director and you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination. And it says it loud and clear.

President Trump says he's not buying former FBI Director James Comey's explanation that he was unaware of the true meaning or how some people would interpret 86. Well, Comey's now under investigation after posting this picture of seashells on the beach arranged into the numbers 8, 6, 4, 7, which some interpret as a threat.

Let's see what our Sunday group thinks. USA Today, Washington Bureau Chief Susan Page. Tiffany Smiley, founder of Endeavor PAC and former Washington State U.S. Senate candidate. Fox News senior political analyst Juan Williams and Kevin Roberts, Heritage president.

president. Okay, I want to read, welcome everybody, a little bit of what Comey said in response, a follow-up on Instagram. He said, I didn't realize some folks associate those numbers with violence. It never occurred to me, but I oppose violence of any kind, so I took the post down. Kevin, he says, I assume there was some political message, but why take the chance if you didn't know exactly what the message was of posting it? Look, I hate saying this about anybody, but James Comey is a liar.

And he's probably a traitor for what he did, not just then, but over over many years. And context is important here. Even if he earned the benefit of the doubt, which he has not. President Trump survived two assassination attempts, one by half an inch. And you mean to tell me, James Comey, as the former FBI director, that you intend to get away with this? But even worse, that the American people are so stupid that they would believe your nonsensical explanation. He deserves to be prosecuted.

Well, I don't know that that's going to happen, but he is under investigation, Susan. I mean, how do you think this is playing in Washington with people who are assessing what they make of his explanation? Look, I take him at his word. Eighty six traditionally meant just kind of getting out of the way, getting rid of somebody, not doing violence to them. But I agree. How unwise was it for him to post that? I'm sure he is full of regret that he did so. We have too much violence in American politics and American life.

Shouldn't have done it. Does he deserve prosecution? Please come on. OK, we'll leave you to a disagreement on that on that side of the table. Here's what National Review piece over there says. For my guess, what's really going on here is both simple and vulgar. James Comey has a new crime novel coming out in four days. This was his clottish attempt to drum up publicity for it. But the truth is, James Comey is no threat to anything at this point except his own dignity. Was it a PR stunt, Juan?

I think might be. I mean, I think that's what he's about. I mean, to me, he would never be indicted, much less convicted of anything for putting shells in the sand. So his crime is that he's childish and maybe a publicity hound. But it's nothing criminal here. And I think, again, the other side of what Kevin was talking about, and I'm hearing him,

The other side is, you know, President Trump. I believe that he shared a post of Biden all tied up in the back of a pickup truck at one point. There's no indictment there. I think that Trump and the Trump allies really prefer to have the conversation focused on Biden every day in every situation to take the blame and take attention away from, you know, things like this Qatari airplane.

Okay. Again, as I mentioned earlier, the president says it's going to belong to the defense department if it comes over here. He's not flying off with it, you know, four years from now. But on the issue of President Biden, he's been in the news a lot this week. We have now got the her tapes from when they were interviewing him late October 2023 about handling classified documents. This is kind of long, but we want to give you a sense of it. So here's a bit of the tapes. What happened in the meantime is that...

So

So, Tiffany, Democrats will say you had the transcripts, but this clearly is different to hear it. Oh, the tape speaks for itself. And I think it also shows why Democrats fought tooth and nail to hide and bury this transcript.

this recording because they were protecting Joe Biden and lying to the American people. I think it's also important to note that every single House Democrat voted to bury those tape, voted to stop the release of that tape. So, you know, the tape simply reveals what the American people out in the real America have known for years, that they've been gaslit and they've been lied to by the Democrat Party.

And if the Democrats want to win, they should stop doubling down on this disaster that the American people are very clear about. They clearly understand that Joe Biden was unfit. He was leading us down a very dangerous and dark path in our country. So if they want to continue to double down on this disaster, they won't just lose in 2028. They will get wiped out.

Well, and 2028 is the big question now because Politico says so many Democrats with 2028 ambitions were defending him at the time. They're now being forced to answer for what they knew and when, Susan. Yeah, well, I think I think that's true. As Senator Kaine told you, I don't think this is going to be the number one issue.

in 2028. But I do think Democrats have an obligation to try to address this in a serious way to understand what went wrong. The press had an obligation to do more. So did Democratic officials to do more to make sure that their presidential candidate and their president was up to the job and up to the job for another another four years. I don't think you can just say we're looking forward, not backward and have that suffice. What do you think, Kevin?

I think the left is lacking an aspirational vision for the American dream. And I think that you can see that in the flailing attempts they're executing right now on the reconciliation bill, which is going to happen. It's not going to make everyone 100 percent happy. But whether it's the her tapes, which they denied, whether it is Donald Trump.

With great respect to my friend Juan, the nonsense about this Qatar plane, which is going to be property of the federal government. The American people are saying to the left, come on, guys, get serious. We want the American dream to be alive. And Donald Trump and J.D. Vance and Mike Johnson and John Thune are doing it. Let's get with the program.

Juan, you're not going to get with that program, I have a feeling. No, look, I think the GOP, it's like kids in a schoolyard and one guy says, let me hold your coat while you fight. They love to see the Democrats going at each other in this way. And I think the Democrats, by the way, are really going at each other with all these books coming out about Biden because of concern that Biden was so concerned with his age and obscuring the fact that he was in decline.

that he allowed President Trump and a man who is pursuing a right-wing agenda with an autocratic approach to take office. And they think that's far worse than what was going on with Biden, but now everybody is sort of rehashing that.

But the real point here is Biden's not running in 26. He's not running in 28. Democrats may fight about this now, but the real issue is stuff like Medicare being cut. This is what Senator Kaine was saying to you earlier, Shannon. The real issue is people perceiving chaos, disruption, dysfunction in the federal government. This morning's headlines about people with experience being forced out of government and leaving key posts.

I think that's what Americans care about. Well, and on the issue of Medicaid, the president has said if there are cuts, he will veto it. So we'll see what they get through in the House in this late overnight situation that we will be tracking for you here on Fox. Panel, thank you very much. We'll see you next Sunday. All right. What Pope Leo had to say in his inaugural mass this morning to a crowd of the faithful and a number of world leaders there on hand for the big day. We'll take you quickly to Vatican City next.

Here's why you should switch. I greet all of you with a heart full of gratitude at the beginning of the ministry that has been entrusted to me. Pope Leo XIV, the first American pope in history, gave his inaugural mass in St. Peter's Square this morning in front of thousands of the faithful and emissaries from around the world, including Vice President J.D. Vance.

The 69-year-old Panev vowed to work for unity so the Catholic Church becomes a sign of peace in the world. He does, by the way, the Pope planned to meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky this afternoon.

Quick note, new episode of my podcast, Live in the Bream, drops today. This week I talked with Squire Rushnell and Louise Duarte. They're the couple behind the Godwinks books and movies about their latest collection of stories about modern day miracles. Live in the Bream, where we like to get your podcast. That is it for us today. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm Shannon Bream. Have a fantastic week. We'll see you back here for next Fox News Sunday.

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