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I'm Shannon Bream. L.A. unrest. President Trump orders 2000 California National Guard troops into America's second largest city after two days of clashes over ICE raids.

Protesters targeting ICE officers with increasing violence over their efforts to round up illegal migrants. The escalation of tensions in the streets matching the war of words between the Trump administration and California Democratic leaders. From Governor Gavin Newsom to L.A. Mayor Karen Bass, we have live team coverage with the very latest. Then President Trump and Elon Musk's breakup over the big, beautiful bill. Honestly, I've been so busy working on China, working on Russia, working on Iran, I'm not

The leader of the free world versus the world's richest man. With Speaker Mike Johnson working to bridge the gap and find a path forward. We'll ask Russ Vogt, the president's budget director, about what's at stake. While problems pile up for the bill in the Senate. We've got to cut more. We have to bend the curve on spending. Florida Senator Rick Scott joins us on what will have to change before he will vote yes. Plus.

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Kilmar Obrega-Garcia, the so-called Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador, is back in the U.S. to face criminal charges. We'll ask Michael McCaul, chairman emeritus of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, about that and whether hopes for an end to the Russia-Ukraine war are slipping away. And some inspiring words for the class of 2025. It's your job to make sure that a speed bump

Doesn't become a roadblock. All right now on Fox News Sunday. Hello from Fox News in Washington. Pushback over ICE raids making national headlines this weekend. Protesters vowing to continue showing their anger in the streets, despite the Trump administration's promise to put a lid on the clashes with a major show of force.

In a moment, we'll get to our other top stories, including the very latest on tariff negotiations and efforts to reach a deal over President Trump's big, beautiful bill in the Senate with OMB Director Russ Vogt and Florida GOP Senator Rick Scott. The first, we turn to team coverage on the L.A. unrest with Christina Coleman on the ground there and Lucas Tomlinson in Bridgewater, New Jersey, where the president's been speaking out on social media overnight. Christina, we start with you.

Hi, Shannon. Yes, rioters have been clashing with law enforcement here in the Los Angeles area as ICE carries out their operations. Take a look at this video. Some of these violent protesters, they threw rocks at law enforcement officers in their vehicles. Someone also set a fire in the middle of the road in Paramount, a city in southeast L.A. County. Tear gas was used to disperse the crowd, but some of the protesters threw the tear gas canisters back at officers.

And on Friday in downtown L.A., some protesters shoved and shouted at law enforcement and tried to stop arrests. ICE acting director Todd Lyons called the situation appalling. We were in a major U.S. city, and we have law enforcement officers trapped, surrounded by over 1,000 protesters, and the LAPD would not respond to help those officers in their time of need. Over two hours it took for them to come get there.

...to that comment saying that their personnel mobilized and acted as swiftly as conditions safely allowed. And we are waiting to confirm exactly how many arrests were made due to all of this violence. Shannon? Christina Coleman for us in California. Thank you very much, Christina. Now to Lucas Tomlinson, who's in Bridgewater, New Jersey. He is with the president. Hello, Lucas.

Shannon, President Trump has authorized the deployment of at least 2,000 California National Guard personnel without the consent of Governor Gavin Newsom, who called Trump earlier. We're going to bring National Guard in tonight. We're going to continue doing our job. Following days of unrest, L.A. Mayor Karen Bass posted early Sunday morning, just to be clear, the National Guard has not been deployed in the city of Los Angeles.

President Trump criticized Bass and Newsom, calling them incompetent. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth warned if violence continues, active

Active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized. They are on high alert. Newsom responded, the Secretary of Defense is now threatening to deploy active duty Marines on American soil against its own citizens. This is deranged behavior. Newsom called the deployment of the National Guard a spectacle.

Last night, President Trump received a standing ovation and roars as he walked out to the UFC fights in Newark. Trump arrived in New Jersey after another brawl of sorts. In an interview with NBC, Trump warned Elon Musk there would be serious consequences if he starts funding Democratic candidates. Asked if he is interested in repairing his relationship with the world's richest man, Trump says he's too busy. I'm not.

I'm really interested in the country and solving problems, including war problems in very faraway lands. Just over a week ago, Trump presented Musk with a golden key to the White House during his sendoff from the Oval Office. The vice president also had a warning for Musk. If he and the president are in some blood feud, most importantly, it's going to be bad for the country. But I think it's going to be I don't think it's going to be good for Elon either.

The president will be departing for Camp David later today to huddle with top aides as the new 12-nation travel ban goes into effect tomorrow.

Shannon, we'll have more on that later in the show. Lucas Tomlinson in Bridgewater, New Jersey. Thank you, Lucas. Joining us now, Russ Vo, director of the Office of Management and Budget. Great to have you on Fox News Sunday. Thanks for having me. So let's start with some of the assessments about what the big, beautiful bill will do. Reuters reports this. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office on Wednesday estimated the bill will add about $2.4 trillion to the $36.2 trillion U.S. debt pile.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget said on Wednesday that when taking interest payments into account, the bill's costs would rise to $3 trillion over a decade or to $5 trillion if temporary tax cuts were made permanent.

Are they wrong? They are wrong, and that's because all of the watchdogs use an artificial baseline that is part of the way that Washington, D.C. does business here, in which they assume that all spending is eternal, but tax relief in 2017 was to sunset. And as a result, when you just extend tax relief, you're in a situation where it looks like this major cost. And, of course, that's not a cost if it were not to occur. It would be a major tax increase to the American people.

And so when you adjust for that baseline, that big game, and this is putting aside the economic growth that we think that they also understate, when you adjust for that, it is $1.4 trillion in reduced deficits and debt. That's why this is such a paramount fiscally responsible bill, notwithstanding the watchdogs here in town. Okay, to the point of the watchdogs, CBO, the director there is Phil Swaggle, and this is what the Wall Street Journal reports about him. It says, what the CBO is doing is what it is supposed to do, according to Swaggle.

So...

What is the issue then with CBO? If they're using methods Congress tells them they have to use, are those methods wrong? The baseline that they have to go against does require what I just articulated. However, CBO is not precluded by putting out the most accurate analysis they want to. So they can put out a score and tell the world, look, this is the parameters for which we have to judge.

But they also, and have, can put out alternative analysis that says, look, this is current policy baseline. This is what the bill will do as a result of that. They don't have to be waited to ask to be able to do that kind of analysis. And when we look at the fact that they are often just biased.

they can't see the forest for the trees. And I'll just give you an example. Just last year, they said that the Biden border security bill was going to reduce the deficit. I mean, no one, when you think about what's happening over the course of the last few days or just in general over the last year, several years with the Biden border catastrophe, would articulate that somehow all of these individuals, the invasion that we're facing is somehow going to reduce the deficit. In fact,

All of these people are going to be on welfare programs and lead to great costs. We know that. The American people know that intuitively. And CBO often gets those kinds of things wrong.

Okay. They stand by the forecast. Would you have to request an alternative forecast if you wanted one, or is that something that they would have to do? They are not precluded from being able to put out as much information as they want to make sure the American people understand and get it right. Could you ask for a different assessment than what they've done? Sure. But it's not required. This is something that CBO, again, they have the ability to put out the most accuracy as possible to make sure the public is informed and we don't have watchdogs going off of

artificial baselines. Okay, so this is all happening against this very public breakup with Elon Musk. By the way, the New Republic called you Elon Musk's puppet master, so we can get more into that. They say that really he may be the face of this, but others say you're the brains of what's happening here with Doge and now with the bill.

Here's what Elon Musk posted on Wednesday on X. He says America is in the fast lane to debt slavery. Politico reports a senior Hill leader on Friday saying this. You don't want the world's richest guy with the biggest megaphone blanking on the bill in crunch time. You've heard some GOP voices and we may hear from one after you, Senator Scott, who've had real concerns about the spending, the trajectory of where this is going. So how much will this break up and what Elon is saying on his way out the door?

impact potentially your ability to get these Senate votes together? Shannon, we're not worried about the president's moving on. I think the president and all of these headlines are missing the fact that the president is the leader of this administration and the one that is driving the agenda. And the

People are going to come and go in an administration, and the president will be there defending the interests of the American people. And we made great progress this week. I mean, I think we were able to get the word out with regard to what this bill does for fiscal responsibility. We're having great conversations with senators on parts of their bill that they want to improve or tweak.

maintaining the realities of the vote coalition in the House. We're having great conversations. And honestly, there was a lot of reporting with regard to this week's events. But we moved forward and we made progress with the bill. And I think we're going to get the bill to the president's desk in July. OK, so you have to get through the Senate, as we've talked about, to do that. And I know you're having conversations with people trying to meet each of the concerns there without blowing up what the House has done.

So you've got this issue of the debt ceiling that is included here. We had Senator Rand Paul on. He's been very vocal about this for months. A couple of weeks he sat here and told us. And he said Congress is like a bunch of drunk teenagers. So why would you give them a bigger credit line? Not that it's going to be for more spending, but if you know that room is there.

It's got to be tempting where here in Washington people like to spend money. Well, any plan ever in history to deal with the debt limit extension going back 20, 30 years, even the ones that have been supported by conservatives have always attached meaningful reforms, which this bill does. This bill includes one point seven trillion dollars.

in mandatory savings to the debt limit extension, which is absolutely paramount to get done in July. We are at the end of the extraordinary measures that the Treasury Department can do. And the conservatives that have historically used the debt limit to sound the alarm have been pushing for the very reforms that are in this bill. So we believe that it's important to do it with Republican votes.

to not have to deal with the Senate filibuster. And we want to get it taken care of so that Chuck Schumer doesn't have this hanging over the administration and the administration's agenda for the next several years. All right. We're about to talk to our next guest about whether all of that can work for him and get him to a yes. Director Vo, great to have you. Thanks for coming in.

OK, so next up is Florida Senator Rick Scott. Senator, welcome back to the show. You've heard what the director said. Your feelings now on hearing that the CBO is wrong on this, it actually is going to be good for the long term health of the country. Are you convinced at this point? Well, first of all, I want to thank Russ Vogt. I know Russ, like President Trump, cares about the budget, cares about reducing spending. And I know Russ Vogt is going to fight really hard to make sure that happens.

Here's my concern. We've got to do we've got to get this bill passed. Now, what do we have to do? We have to stop this gigantic tax increase that Democrats are all for. We've got to secure the border. We've got to plus up our military. But we've got to figure out how to get this debt under control. Thirty seven trillion dollars worth of debt. Whatever projection, whatever projection you want to use, CBOs or anybody else's. We're running trillion dollar deficits.

year after year. We went to, after pandemic spending, we've been running $2 trillion deficits.

If we want to get interest rates down, if we want to get inflation under control, which is part of what this last election was about, we've got to balance this budget. We have to have a path to balance the budget. And that's what my focus is. How do we get the president's agenda done? How do we balance the budget? Yeah, it's a really difficult needle to thread with this package because of those predictions. So where did the cuts come from? Where can you do those in the Senate in a way that would allow this to get back through the House and stay intact?

Well, you do it what every family does. You go through your budget and say, look, that's a nice to have, but we don't make that much money.

The public has given us probably looks like five and a half trillion dollars. Hopefully, you know, I believe Trump is going to improve the economy so revenues will go up. But that's what they've given us. We have to say to ourselves, OK, how do we allocate the dollars based on the amount of money taxpayers are giving us? What I did as governor of Florida, I went through every line. There's 4000 lines of the budget in Florida. I went through every line every year. We had a written purpose and we balance a budget every year. Florida had not balanced its budget in 20 years.

The federal government's got to do the same thing. Go through the budget. Now, I believe there's I believe there's things like why are we fund to continue to fund the Green New Deal?

Why are we allowing blue state governors to basically take advantage of the federal Medicaid program rather than taking care of poor kids and people with chronic illness? They want to take care. They want to take care of illegal immigrants and adults that don't have a chronic illness. I look, I went through this as a kid. I watched my mom. I watched her face. My little brother, she found out he had a bone disease. I remember her anguish when she couldn't find a doctor to take care of him.

That was before Medicaid. Now, today, we have Medicaid. That poor child and that poor mom might be in the exact same position because these blue state governors, instead of focused on these poor kids and chronic people without money, they want to take care of illegal immigrants themselves.

And adults without a chronic illness. We have got to fix this stuff. We've got to say we have a certain amount of revenue. Don't spend more. So let's talk about that, because obviously Medicaid is at the middle of this entire debate. You have folks like Senator Josh Hawley, one of your GOP colleagues, warning that cuts to that would not only be bad for actual humans, but it would be bad for you politically for Republicans. The Kaiser Family Foundation has got a

A new poll out that says about seven in 10 people say they are worried that Medicaid spending reductions would lead to more adults and children becoming uninsured would negatively impact hospitals, nursing homes and other health care providers in their communities. You've got the House top Democrat leader, Hakeem Jeffries, saying people are actually going to die because of what's currently in this bill. Well, let's let's remember our purpose first.

Let's do what RFK says we're going to do. We're going to make our country healthy. Let's get people back to work because when people are working, they're healthier and they don't need to be on a government program. And then when we have a program like Medicaid, let's focus on the people that should be covered. Let's make sure there's the dollars in there and they're focused on these poor children. Let's focus on making sure we have safety net hospitals. Right. So let's focus. Let's focus on the right. Let's focus on the right thing. But.

What's happened is, let's take Florida, all right? New York gets paid. I have four million more people live in my state. New York gets $20 billion more for Medicaid than we get in Florida. Why? California is 65% bigger than Florida. They get three times as much money from the federal Medicaid program as we get in Florida. Why? Because blue state governors are gaming the system to take care of illegal immigrants,

And adults without chronic illness. Let's focus the program on what people need. But is there an acknowledgement that there will be people back to work? Is there an acknowledgement, though, that under the current framework of this bill, people will be, potentially millions of them, taken off of some of these programs? And I know the argument is that a lot of that is waste, fraud, and abuse. But is there an acknowledgement that there will be millions of people who will be transitioned off these programs and a question about where they'll go next?

Well, first off, the only way you're going to get off the program is if you say if you say you do not want to work. I don't believe we ought to be providing free health care, free housing, free food. The people that are able bodied can work and just say, I don't want to work.

No, get to work. This country, we've got over 50 million people working age, not working. We've got to get this country back to work. But if you don't want to work. So you're not referring to people that are physically unable or caretakers of those who are unable? No. Look, I watched what my mom's face was like when my brother, when she found out my brother had a bone disease. I want these kids to get health care. I want people with chronic illness to get health care. But I don't want people gaming the system.

I mean, this is simple. First off, we have $37 trillion worth of debt. We're running $2 trillion a year deficits.

We've got to get people back to work. We've got to get people healthy. We've got to get these programs focused on the vulnerable people we want to take care of. It's not that hard. Families do it every day. Yeah, we all have to make really difficult decisions, and we can't print money at home, although at times it may feel like we need to or want to. Really quickly before you go, this issue of SALT, which is increasing that deduction that people in high-state taxes can't –

with high taxes that they can deduct from their state and local taxes. The House said they had to have it to get passed. It seems like the Senate is much less interested in it. And there's one estimate out there that says it could save $981 billion over 10 years if you don't extend or expand that deduction. Do you think it survives in the Senate?

No, and it shouldn't survive. We should not be subsidizing blue state governors wasteful spending. That's exactly what if that's in there, then Florida will be paying for the gut for the state government in New York. And that's wrong. OK, Senator, we appreciate your time. We will watch as this vote comes together and all the work you're doing there in the Senate. Appreciate it.

We'll get there. Okay. Well, the spat between President Trump and Elon Musk continues to escalate and rattle the political world. We'll break down how the breakup could impact the president's agenda, the MAGA movement, and more. Next. Disney has been bringing happiness to families and communities for over a century and continues to be a powerful economic contributor. Since 2017, Disney has nearly doubled spending on film and television content and is spending $23 billion in fiscal year 2025.

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Well, the messy political divorce that many in Washington thought was inevitable has come to a head in a big way this week. President Trump and Elon Musk trading insults and accusations on social media after Musk came out swinging against the so-called big, beautiful bill to fund the Trump agenda. Time now to talk about with our Sunday group, Fox News radio political analyst Josh Krashauer.

Mary Catherine Hamm, Fox News contributor, Fox News senior political analyst Juan Williams, and Mark Thiessen, also a Fox News contributor. If you could have only heard during the commercial this discussion about this big breakup. The Wall Street Journal editorial board meant that Musk was trying to do something they thought was positive. They said,

Mary Catherine, we are headed into like Taylor Swift breakup song territory. No, I was thinking of like, you know, in the summer, you just got out of school, you settle in with a Baja blast and watch Jerry Springer all day. This is sort of what that felt like last week. Look, there are there are downsides for everyone involved. There are risks to Elon Musk for his business. There are risks to the American people for his expertise on things like

and the space program. There are risks to the GOP for future funding of various races because he had thrown in quite a lot here. I don't think there are as many risks to Trump who, as he has a way of doing, sort of comes out looking like the less crazy of these two options and sort of

in a weird way, was a little bit above it, at least more than Elon. And then his fortunes are not necessarily tied to these future investments in the GOP. I also don't think there's much of a change for the actual bill, which I think is Trump's number one issue here. Yeah, one, what about that? Because a lot of people are going to look at this bill as kind of a proxy vote on Elon versus Trump. Well, I don't think that the

A conservative caucus in the House or the Senate is going to go with Elon Musk over Donald Trump. I think Donald Trump is president and Donald Trump remains the power in terms of Republican politics in this country. I think he defines the Republican Party. But in terms of the argument that you raised, Shannon, when he points out the high cost of

of the bill, and you just talked about how it will drive up the deficit in this country. I think that he is able to amplify that. Remember, the distinction here of

Unlike any other previous fight with Donald Trump is that Elon Musk controls Twitter, right, or X. He has a big platform. He's richer than Trump, right, and has a bigger social media following. So if he wants to amplify the idea that, you know, I was trying to cut the deficit and the debt, and this doesn't do it, what did he call it, an abomination? Right.

I think that message has to get through to a lot of Republicans, not only Republicans on the Hill, but Republican voters. And that is a threat to the big bill. Well, I'm with him on the deficit part of the argument and wish that he had tackled entitlements or talked about something or done things in a less mercurial way, as The Wall Street Journal points out.

Well, OK, so whether this comes to a truce or all out war, Politico quotes Steve Bannon, who obviously you'll remember early on in this second Trump administration, they got into it. He and Elon Musk about H1B visas. They've had some bad blood between them. But this is the quote from Mr. Bannon, quote, We're going to blanking war and I'm going to rip your blanking face off.

Steve Bannon's called for investigation into Musk's immigration status, security clearance, drug use and supposed involvement with the Chinese Communist Party. Mark, what's the next chapter of this? Well, Steve Bannon is just like the jilted spouse who wants to get back into the game. He's not part of Trump world. But look, I have a lot of respect for Elon Musk as a guy who makes rockets land. He saves free speech with Twitter. But I also worked in the White House and it's a privilege to work in the White House. And you don't

attack the person who gave you that privilege. If you disagree with Donald Trump's policies, what you do is you go into the Oval Office and say, Mr. President, I disagree with you. And you make your case. And if you lose and you decide you can't go on, then you resign quietly and you walk away. Elon Musk has confused who's the president and who's the aide. I know it's hard for the richest man in the world to accept this, but he was a staffer.

And staffers don't go off and attack their boss. And the other thing is that the break here is apparently over this guy, Jared Isaacman, who was supposed to be the NASA administrator. Jared Isaacman gave $100,000 to the Democratic Majority PAC, tens of thousands of dollars to the Democratic Senatorial Committee and Chuck Schumer's Leadership PAC.

funded the campaigns of John Tester and Bob Casey, he was trying to stop the Senate from going Republican. He was trying to keep it in Democratic hands. There's no way that the Senate is going to confirm somebody who did that. So this whole feud is over Trump not giving an appointment to somebody who was trying to keep the Senate in Democratic hands. Josh?

Yeah, I mean, message means a lot more than money. Elon Musk is making all these threats that he's going to spend money on primary challengers. Donald Trump drives the Republican Party. He's going to win this battle. And, you know, I think actually this could help Donald Trump get the big, beautiful bill passed because, you know,

The big debate before this week was about the level of spending, the debt. Those are serious issues where I think the conservatives have a real argument, as we've heard on the show. The challenge now is that this is about a loyalty test now, whether you're with Donald Trump or whether you're with Elon Musk. And as Juan said...

Almost every Republican, even the most conservative in the House, will side with Donald Trump. Well, when it comes time for an endorsement, I think that's the one that they're going to prefer. OK, another breakup in Washington this week. Former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and the Democrat Party, apparently. Here she is talking about her new book, Independent, which, by the way, in the title of the book, says the White House was broken. Here she is.

What I have decided to do, and I really have thought long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass. And that's what I've done.

Okay, well, Rich Lowry writing at National Review says this about following the compass. For years, when it made her famous to follow the compass of the Biden conspiracy from the White House podium, she did it every day, no matter how ridiculous she had to make herself. Now that Biden is old news and there's no high-profile job available running interference for a compromised Democratic elected official, Jean-Pierre has become a fierce independent thinker willing to go her own way.

Juan, she broke up with you guys. You know, I will leave this. I don't know her that well. I mean, obviously, I've met her. But I will leave this to her colleagues in the White House. And they are damning her, Shannon. They are saying that she's dumb and a grifter and, you know, turning tail conveniently to sell a book. The question is, who would buy the book? I don't think Republicans are going to buy a Karine Jean-Pierre book. And now I don't think Democrats are going to buy that book. But I'm

But I from what I understand, the book's not out. But from what I understand, she's pro Biden. She's strongly supporter of Biden. And she's condemning the White House staff that was then pushing Biden not to run. This is. Well, wait, who was pushing him not to run? Like everybody was pushing him to run.

Well, no, apparently there were people in the white house is what Korean Jean-Pierre believes that didn't really back by didn't want fully once he had decided. So Josh, do you think we get any inside scoop in this book? No, no. I mean, look, the Korean Jean-Pierre was responsible for some of the biggest whoppers from the white house, uh, podium, uh, the, the, the deep, the, the, the, the cheap fakes, the cheap fakes after we all saw with our own eyes, uh, by Biden's problems at the, at the Los Angeles fundraiser. Uh,

The fact that she said that he was just as active as she was, energetic and energy-wise. I mean, these were things that most Americans would say that's absurd, and yet she was the one retailing these lies from the White House. I don't think there's going to be, as Juan said, much readership on either side for this book. I don't know who it is. I think she's alienated all possible biologists.

of this book, but there's a strategy in there somewhere. And if she's going to give us some scoop, we'll see. Okay, panel, do not go far because we've got a lot more to discuss. By the way, Russia and Ukraine continuing to trade strikes back and forth as hopes for a U.S.-brokered peace deal begin to fade. Congressman Michael McCaul, chair emeritus of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, joins us live with reaction to a lot of foreign policy next.

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The Trump administration tackling multiple foreign policy issues, efforts to broker peace deal between Israel and Hamas, talks over Iran's nuke program and increased attacks between Russia and Ukraine. Congressman Michael McCaul, chairman emeritus of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, will join us to unpack all those issues. But first, Chief Foreign Correspondent Trey Yangst on the ground in Tel Aviv with the very latest. Hello, Trey.

Shannon, good morning. This week we expect major updates about ceasefire negotiations across the Middle East. As the war between Israel and Hamas grinds on, President Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, is pushing for a deal that could lead to a 60-day pause in the conflict.

and some living hostages released. Witkoff is also leading indirect conversations with the Iranians, aiming to reach a deal about the country's nuclear program. A sixth round of talks is expected to be scheduled in the near future, as clearer disagreements emerge about Iran's uranium enrichment. The country's supreme leader says enrichment will continue for peaceful research purposes. President Trump disagrees. They won't be enriching. If they enrich, then we're going to have to do it the other way, and I don't

Want to do it the other way, but we're going to have to. What's your latest? There's not going to be enrichment. Shifting now to the war between Russia and Ukraine, another conflict the Trump administration is trying to end. Late last week, Russia launched 400 missiles and 40 drones into Ukraine. Similar strikes continued throughout the weekend, partially in response to a Ukrainian drone operation that destroyed multiple Russian aircraft earlier this month.

Diplomacy must work. Security guarantees must be in place. Peace must be established. And this requires initial steps, including a ceasefire. Amid talks of diplomacy, an active front line continues in Ukraine, 600 miles long, with thousands of soldiers dying every month.

Shannon. Trey Yinks reporting from Israel for us today. Thank you, Trey. Joining me now, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Emeritus Michael McCaul. Good to have you back on the show. Thanks for having me. So let's start there in Russia. These strikes continue back and forth. Ukraine pulling off this huge surprise drone attack. Russia responding as we expected they would.

There are growing questions about whether Putin wants peace. I know that you don't think that he does. Politico magazine has this assessment. They say Putin will never abandon his ambition of conquering Ukraine and convincing him to do so shouldn't be the aim of Ukraine's global supporters. You can't make Putin walk away from Ukraine. You have to put Ukraine out of his reach. Do you agree? And how do we do that? Yeah, I do. I think we have to be clear eyed as to who Mr. Putin is. He has not come to the negotiating table. He's not

called for ceasefire like Zelensky. And if you look at the targets that were hit by Ukraine, these were the bombers that carried the cruise missiles, the very targets that would kill civilians in Ukraine, as opposed to what are Putin's targets, right? Apartment complex buildings, schools, maternity hospitals and churches.

Killing civilians is an act of it's a criminal act, actually, according to the Geneva Convention. So it's a very different playing field. How do we get to the table, though? I do think we need to negotiate settlement. We cannot. We're not going to have a storm to Berlin like World War Two unconditional surrender. So you have to put pressure. How do you do that? Secondary sanctions. Lindsey Graham has a bill. He passes it.

Tomorrow, we'll pass it in the House. And secondly, keep the flow of weapons going in to Ukraine to pressure Mr. Putin to act in good faith. I have little confidence in him.

Well, what happened with those drone strikes, though, is raising a lot of questions more broadly about, you know, when an adversary gets creative, could we be worrying about the same thing here in the U.S.? It took them 18 months to plan that. The Wall Street Journal editorial board says this. Americans are accustomed to wars fought far from home by a force of volunteers, but everyone in the U.S., they predict, will be on the front lines of the next conflict.

Ukraine did the U.S. a favor by destroying bombers of a U.S. adversary and sending America a wake-up call about its own complacency. Are you worried about one of our enemies being able to pull off something similar on U.S. soil? I think what we saw take place was a mastermind counteroffensive. It was a seismic

and modern warfare technology where you can take a very inexpensive little drone and take out a very expensive big bomber that drops cruise missiles. I mean, it changes everything on its head. And we, I know the Pentagon's looking at this from the standpoint of,

How can we defend to do this? We don't have the countermeasures to block these UAVs. And we need to develop those because that will be the future of warfare. So you're worried that we are our military bases, our bombers are open to this kind of attack. I think, you know, we were seeing more and more drones in the air, you know, thousands of them now, millions.

This will be what the terrorists use. This will be what adversarial nations are going to use. And I think the Pentagon, as we pass reconciliation, the money has to go towards these more modern warfare technologies, not to these old ships that are just a remnant of World War II, kind of the dinosaurs. Sure, we need some of those, but we've got to be focused on the AI technology. Okay, so let's talk about Iran because we've got talks going on with them as well.

There have been news outlets who have said there was some level of enrichment that we offered a deal. President Trump, you saw him there saying, no way, there's not going to be any enrichment. He wants to get a deal done. He said that diplomatically numerous times. But you heard him there in Lucas reporting him saying, no.

You know, we may have to do it the other way. What is that other way? What are the other options? Well, just with Prime Minister Netanyahu in the Middle East, I had a very intense conversation with him. He has little confidence that this deal is going to get reached. And I agree with them. They always delay. Trump says zero enrichment. He's right about that, because if they have enrichment, they get a bomb. So, you know, I think you have to give the diplomats a chance. Right. And then when diplomacy breaks down, you have war.

There's no question in my mind coming out of that meeting what Mr. Netanyahu's intentions are, and that is to strike Iran when the negotiations go bad. The question is going to be what will be the United States role.

but also coordinating with the United States, our allies and partners in the region. Because remember, the retaliation from Iran will be severe. And we have a lot of troops there, U.S. citizens there. They'll hit Jordan, they'll hit Saudi Arabia, and they'll hit Israel. And we are the only country, along with Israel, that can stop all this from coming in. Israel just can't do this alone.

Well, what would our role be? And would it be something that would require congressional authorization?

Well, we have the AUMF. So the president said he can't conduct limited military actions for a certain period of time. Then the authorized use of military forces kicked in. Then it comes to the Foreign Affairs Committee where we will deliberate that. I don't think the president takes this decision lightly. That will be his decision. But I think we cannot accept Iran to have a nuclear bomb. And then therefore, you know, have we gone with the JCPOA 12 years ago?

Iran would have an atomic bomb today. And I'm so glad we stopped that when we did. But what I told Mr. Netanyahu was, you know, they sent an emissary to the president. That's his decision. But

but at least coordinate with us if you go alone to respond to the retaliation coming out of Iran. I want to make sure before you go that we ask you about one domestic issue. This has to do with Kilmer Obrego Garcia. He entered the country illegally through your state, state of Texas, was mistakenly deported to El Salvador. He's back now facing a slew of criminal charges and allegations that he was trafficking humans, drugs, weapons, you know, gang members, all that kind of stuff. Senator Chris Van Hollen,

says that he is back because of demands that the Trump administration comply with court orders that Obrega-Garcia's due process and constitutional rights were being violated. You two once served in the House together. What do you make of his assessment? Because he's calling this a victory for the rule of law. Well, the Supreme Court had its order. He was returned to the United States. But now...

Now it's time for our justice, and that is, who is this man? For 20 years, he had a smuggling operation, including smuggling MS-13 gang members, according to the indictment when he came back in. I would argue, Tim, you're probably better off in El Salvador than facing these kind of charges. And this is precisely the case that Donald Trump ran on, that got him a mandate from the American people. They're tired of seeing this. And

What I'm amazed at, and I saw it at our hearing with Secretary Noem, is seeing the Democrats hold Mr. Garcia up as if he's some golden boy, poster child that they all rally behind when he's in fact...

related to MS-13, a trafficker. He beats his wife. I mean, it's hardly a model for the Democratic Party. I think they're making a terrible mistake politically. And we saw that play out in the last election. Yeah, well, a lot of allegations against him. He now heads to trial at some point, and we will watch that case to see what his ultimate disposition is by the law. Good to see you. Thanks for coming in today. Always. Thanks, Ian.

So thousands of National Guardsmen deployed now to L.A. at least have been ordered or authorized after days of protest over ICE immigration rates. We will discuss this brewing battle between California and the federal government, the impact on the Trump immigration agenda as well. Straight ahead.

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So Borders are Tom Homan on the violent clashes between protesters and federal law enforcement in Los Angeles and frankly, other cities this weekend. We are back now with the panel. So Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth put a post up on X Saturday night in part says this. The Department of Defense is mobilizing the National Guard immediately to support federal law enforcement in Los Angeles.

And if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized. They are on high alert. Governor Newsom responding to that tweet early this morning, saying the secretary of defense is now threatening to deploy active duty Marines on American soil against its own citizens. This is deranged behavior. Mark. So two elections now. Donald Trump has beaten the Democrats positively.

powered by illegal immigration, and they still can't seem to get it right. You've got people who are literally burning cars, throwing rocks at ICE agents, and the Democrats are siding with the protesters over the administration that's trying to restore law and order. And what's got the left riled up in what's causing all this is that the Trump administration has figured out a way around sanctuary city laws.

Local officials can refuse to honor an ICE detainer, but they can't refuse to honor a federal felony warrant. And so what the Trump administration has done, they've launched something called Operation Guardian Angel, where they're charging illegal migrants who have reentered the country with felony illegal reentry. And then they're presenting the local jurisdictions with federal felony warrants, and they have to hand them over. So they've been handing over hundreds

of illegal migrants to ICE. And this has set people off, that they found a way against it to basically block the Sanctuary City policies. Well, the ACLU, not a fan, calling this unnecessary, inflammatory and an abuse of power. They go on to say by taking this action, the Trump administration is putting Angelinos in danger, creating legal and ethical jeopardy for troops and recklessly undermining our foundational democratic principle that the military should not police civilians. Mayor Catherine.

I mean, I think the question is, look, rioters are not protesters. So this is separate from a First Amendment issue. There are explosives going off at federal facilities in L.A. There are rocks and other incendiaries being thrown at.

officers or people blocking roadways. Those are not protest activities. So I think the question for the American people and the American government is, does the federal government have both the authority and a duty to come and arrest, for instance, these convicted criminals who are also illegal aliens? Our Bill Malugin has reported among just a handful, a Filipino national, three Mexican nationals, all convicted of sexual assaults or assault with a deadly weapon. OK,

Many Americans, even L.A. residents, want these folks out of the country. They have the right to go get them. Do they have the right? Should they be protected from that? And if the LAPD and Newsom and Bass are not doing that, where does the forced protection come from? This is not something that the American people object to. And in fact, when it comes to the criminal backgrounds of these folks...

They are very supportive of getting them out of the country. And if this is the legal and they have the authority way to do it, then they should do it. So this back and forth with apparently Governor Newsom and President Trump had a 40 minute phone call last night. Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that call. I would like to know more about that if either one of them wants to share.

But but what Newsom has been saying publicly is this is unnecessary because we have this situation under control. We have local and state authorities. But DHS said this Saturday, said yesterday they're referring to Friday night. They said last night over a thousand riders surrounded a federal law enforcement building and assaulted ICE law enforcement officers, slashed tires, defaced buildings and taxpayer funded property. It took the LAPD two hours to respond. One, that doesn't sound like you have it under control.

I just want to frame this a little differently for the viewers this morning, which is to say the Trump administration has not met its mark in terms of what it promised in terms of deporting. So it's now upping its tactics.

And those tactics, there's things like arresting a judge in Milwaukee. Remember that one? They said, oh, she was protecting the immigrant in the courtroom or something. Which would be against the law. It's not against the law for her in her courtroom to act. Yes, it is. But secondly, what you see now on the streets of L.A., I think you see this argument over the ICE agents wearing masks. I don't think the protesters should wear masks. I don't think anybody with...

federal authority representing the American people should be in a mass. That reeks of a, you know, Gestapo-type authority. And then finally, I am just shocked that, you know, you look at the provocative tweet by the defense secretary saying he's going to send the U.S. Marines onto American soil?

Look, the problem is that we have 12 million illegal immigrants in this country and we have to think about and deal with this effectively and not think about throwing our own troops against people who are contributing members of our society. I need to bring Josh in here because this issue about masking, what they're saying is that they're being doxed, these ICE agents and their kids. So it's the children, too.

Yeah, look, I mean, I think generally, like I'm not a fan of masking and trying to hide people's identities. I think that's a little bit tricky, but I understand why they're concerned. Politically, though, big picture. I mean, picking a fight with Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass is a winning issue for the White House. I do wonder, though, about the consequences of bringing the Marine Corps onto U.S. soil. That's where the politics might get a little bit tricky for the White House.

And I would expect there'll be legal challenges to that. Again, that hasn't happened that we know, but the Secretary of Defense saying it's possible. Okay, panel, thank you very much. We'll see you next week. Up next, students on campuses all across the country finally getting those diplomas and they're hearing from high-profile commencement speakers, including a very famous green one. Consider reaching out your hand and taking the leap side by side because life is better when we leap together.

She's got to get right out of her life.

She tracks her cash flow on a spreadsheet at night. Boring money moves make kind of lame songs, but they sound pretty sweet to your wallet. BNC Bank, brilliantly boring since 1865. So to everyone here today, don't waste your youth. Go out and fight right from the beginning, from the day you leave this incredible university. Go out and fight, fight tough, fight fair, but go out and fight.

That was President Trump speaking at the University of Alabama's commencement speech last month. So notables across the country are out there passing on their advice to the class of 2025. And yes, that even includes beloved Muppet Kermit the Frog, who actually gave the commencement at the University of Alabama, the alma mater of his creator, Jim Henson. Stay connected to your dreams, no matter how big, no matter how impossible they seem. The truth is,

Dreams are how we figure out where we want to go. And life is how we get there. The very best piece of advice I can give you is to begin your life in the fleet with a spirit of gratitude. Be thankful for all the people gathered here today and those who aren't. Because they made you who you are and they got you to where you are today.

There's one thing that I know, class, it is this. The ones who obsess over answering what will I do are often the ones who lose sight of answering the question, what did I do? The ones who stay focused on answering what did I do are the ones who will never waver in their convictions and they are the ones who will never get tired in the work.

The world doesn't need you to be perfect. It needs you to be bold. It needs you to care and to keep going even when things don't go as planned. So go out there and write your own story, only one that you can tell. Failure. Failure is essential. If I can promise you one thing for certain, you will fail. The bigger the dream, the bigger the risk. But what's the price if you don't take the risk? Failure.

When you find the thing that you want to do, I really want to highly recommend just frigging go for it. Yes!

I agree. By the way, Kirby was speaking at the University of Maryland, which is Jim Henson's alma mater. And a quick note, my podcast, Live in the Bream, drops today. This week, I sat down with pastor, author and music star Torrin Wells. We talked about his new book, Joy Bomb, and how you can have hope in life no matter your circumstances. Check out Live in the Bream wherever you like to get information.

Your podcasts and a programming note before we go. The first three episodes of season two of Art of the Surge, the Donald Trump comeback, are available now on Fox Nation. They feature exclusive access to President Trump's return to the White House. And there's some scenes like these behind the scenes during Elon Musk during the campaign. I'm cautiously, I don't want to jinx it, but I'm cautiously optimistic that, um,

that it will not be a small win in Pennsylvania. That it will be a very clear win.

Episodes four and five are to the surge season available on Fox station. See you next week. I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in their community and across the world. Listen and follow now at Fox news podcast.com. Listen to Fox news Sunday ad free on Amazon music with your prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.