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The Future of Aging with Aubrey de Grey

2025/4/15
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Aubrey de Grey: 我致力于通过损伤修复方法逆转衰老,这比减缓衰老更容易。我的研究团队正在进行一项包含一千只老鼠的实验,旨在通过结合四种不同的损伤修复干预措施,将中年老鼠的寿命延长整整一年,这在老鼠身上相当于人类的30年,远超通常能达到的四个月。这项研究采用先进的细胞和基因疗法,同时靶向多种与年龄相关的损伤。我预测,在12到15年内,我们有50%的几率达到“寿命逃逸速度”,这将使我们能够使60岁的人返老还童,并在接下来的20年里保持年轻状态,在此期间,进一步的进步将使我们能够进行额外的返老还童周期,这可能会为今天许多活着的人创造无限的健康寿命。 在投资方面,沙特王室对HEvolution的巨额投资是一个巨大的惊喜,尽管其成果尚未完全显现。Calico的运作方式非常糟糕,缺乏将已验证的概念转化为产品的途径,因此它几乎没有成功的可能。我对Altos Labs抱有更高的期望,尽管其运作方式有些奇怪,但他们聘请了该领域的许多顶尖人才。Retro Biosciences可能是这些公司中最有希望的一家,因为它拥有合适的资金和领导者。 在监管方面,蒙大拿州扩展“尝试权”立法,允许任何人获得通过FDA安全试验的治疗方法,这将加速进步。Prospera等特别经济区为生物医学创新创造了一个有利的监管环境,它允许在更短的时间内进行更安全的医疗干预测试。这些发展将促使传统司法管辖区现代化其监管结构,以保持竞争力。 关于公众对预防性医学的怀疑,将衰老定义为一种疾病,这可能有助于克服公众对预防性医学的怀疑,并促进对衰老相关疾病的治疗。目前,最重要的是加快尚未存在但能延长寿命的技术的研发进程。 Robert Lufkin: 作为主持人,我主要负责引导话题,并就Aubrey de Grey博士提出的观点进行提问和探讨,例如关于HEvolution、Altos Labs、Calico和Retro Biosciences等公司在寿命研究领域的差异,以及蒙大拿州的“尝试权”立法和Prospera特别经济区对生物医学创新的影响等。

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Dr. Aubrey de Grey reveals why reversing aging may be easier than slowing it down in this mind-expanding conversation that challenges conventional wisdom about human longevity. The renowned biomedical gerontologist outlines his damage repair approach that's gaining mainstream scientific acceptance after initial skepticism.The financial landscape of longevity research has dramatically transformed, with billions flowing into the space. Dr. de Grey provides an insider's assessment of major players including HEvolution (Saudi-backed), Altos Labs (Bezos-funded), Calico (Google-funded) and Retro Biosciences (Sam Altman's venture), offering candid insights about which approaches show the most promise and why Google's Calico has struggled despite substantial resources.Regulatory innovation emerges as a crucial accelerator for progress. Montana's groundbreaking expansion of Right to Try legislation now allows anyone to access treatments that have passed FDA safety trials, while special economic zones like Prospera in Honduras are creating regulatory environments specifically designed for biomedical innovation. These developments could create the competitive pressure needed to modernize traditional regulatory structures worldwide.At the LEV Foundation, Dr. de Grey is conducting a thousand-mouse study combining four different damage repair interventions in middle-aged mice, aiming for a full year of life extension—far beyond the four months typically achieved. Unlike conventional approaches that rely on dietary modifications, this ambitious project incorporates advanced cell and gene therapies that target multiple forms of age-related damage simultaneously.Looking forward, Dr. de Grey offers his characteristic probabilistic prediction: a 50-50 chance of reaching "longevity escape velocity" within 12-15 years. This would enable taking 60-year-olds and rejuvenating them enough that they wouldn't be biologically 60 again for another 20 years, during which time further advances would enable additional rejuvenation cycles—potentially creating open-ended healthy lifespans for many alive today.

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