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666 - Satanic Movies

2024/11/26
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John August和Craig Mazin探讨了现代社会对撒旦的普遍认知,认为其形象通常是一个被逐出天堂、拥有强大力量、与上帝对抗的个体。他们分析了圣经中对撒旦描述的矛盾之处,指出撒旦最终注定失败的叙事困境。他们还讨论了现代撒旦主义的观念,包括邪教试图带来末日以及撒旦在地球上的爪牙。此外,他们还探讨了对存在性宇宙邪恶的信仰在古代神话中的普遍存在,以及这种信仰如何被用来解释不幸。他们认为,清教徒对撒旦的强烈信仰影响了美国对撒旦的现代观念,而一神教中对善恶二元论的理解导致了对撒旦作为对抗力量的观念的形成。他们还比较了旧约圣经与现代观念对撒旦的不同描述,指出旧约中撒旦更多的是指对手而非具体的邪恶实体。他们分析了启示录中对撒旦的描绘及其对现代撒旦认知的影响,并指出启示录的可靠性存疑。他们还讨论了约翰·加尔文等宗教改革家如何将撒旦人格化,使其成为一个强大的个体。此外,他们还提到了美国人比英国人更相信撒旦存在的调查结果,并分析了天主教教会在撒旦题材电影中扮演的重要角色以及对天主教的恐惧可能与撒旦的联系。他们还比较了美国新教和天主教对撒旦的不同观念,并探讨了反基督的概念及其含义。他们还分析了浮士德故事中与魔鬼交易的主题,以及这三部电影如何反映20世纪70年代美国文化中的末日焦虑和社会动荡。他们还深入分析了这三部电影的剧情、人物和主题,并探讨了这些电影对流行文化和社会的影响,包括撒旦恐慌等现象。最后,他们还讨论了现代电影中对撒旦的刻画以及电影人对其他形式宇宙恐怖的探索。 John August和Craig Mazin还探讨了惊悚片和恐怖片的区别,认为惊悚片旨在让人紧张,而恐怖片旨在让人害怕。他们还讨论了奥斯卡评委对恐怖片的偏见以及恐怖片通常不会投入大量资金进行奥斯卡宣传活动的原因。他们认为,人们对撒旦的观念并非一成不变,而是由文化和媒体塑造的,并指出其他文化也有其独特的恐怖元素。他们还分析了悲剧结局的恐怖电影中主角的成长,以及在一些恐怖电影中主角的成长和改变可能并不明显。

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Why do Americans have a stronger belief in the literal devil compared to British people?

A 2013 YouGov poll found that 57% of Americans believe in the literal devil, compared to only 18% of British people. This difference may stem from the Puritans, who were deeply religious and had a strong fear of Satan, influencing American religious culture. In contrast, Britain has a history of viewing Satan more as a comic or pathetic figure rather than a literal, powerful entity.

What are the three key satanic films discussed in the podcast?

The three films discussed are Rosemary's Baby (1968), The Exorcist (1973), and The Omen (1976). These films are considered the unholy trinity of satanic movies and have deeply influenced the modern conception of Satanism in popular culture.

Why is the Catholic Church often depicted in satanic films?

The Catholic Church is depicted in satanic films because it is seen as an ancient, powerful institution with a deep connection to religious traditions. Its use of Latin and its historical role as part of the Holy Roman Empire give it an air of mystery and authority, making it a useful tool for screenwriters to explore themes of conspiracy and hidden knowledge.

What is the common theme in Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcist, and The Omen?

The common theme in these films is the horror of parenthood. Each film explores the fear of having a child who is inherently evil or possessed by the devil, highlighting the tension between innocence and corruption.

How did the 1960s and 1970s influence the themes of satanic films?

The 1960s and 1970s were a time of social upheaval, with high crime rates, political assassinations, and a sense of moral decay. This era's anxiety and fear of the unknown made the concept of a satanic conspiracy feel plausible and relevant to audiences, contributing to the popularity of satanic horror films.

What is the significance of the number 666 in The Omen?

The number 666 is significant in The Omen because it is associated with the Antichrist in the Book of Revelation. The film explains this connection, making it a key element of the story as the child Damien is revealed to be the Antichrist.

Why is Rosemary's Baby considered a groundbreaking film?

Rosemary's Baby is considered groundbreaking because it masterfully uses gaslighting and limited perspective to create paranoia. The film's mundanity and the normalcy of the characters involved in the satanic conspiracy make the horror more effective, as the evil is hidden in plain sight.

What makes The Exorcist particularly shocking for its time?

The Exorcist is shocking for its graphic and explicit scenes, such as the child vomiting pea soup, masturbating with a crucifix, and using foul language. These elements were highly controversial and pushed the boundaries of what was acceptable in film at the time.

How does The Omen compare to Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist?

The Omen feels like a blend of Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist, combining elements of conspiracy and possession. However, it lacks the depth of character development and emotional impact of the other two films, making it feel more formulaic and less impactful.

Why did the satanic panic of the 1980s occur?

The satanic panic of the 1980s occurred because the popular culture, influenced by films like Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcist, and The Omen, presented the idea of a conspiracy to bring Satan into the world. This led to widespread fear and accusations of satanic rituals, similar to the Salem Witch Trials.

Chapters
This chapter explores the modern image of Satan, tracing its evolution from biblical adversary to the powerful, fallen angel of popular culture. It also discusses different portrayals of Satan in various media and the narrative challenges posed by his predetermined defeat in the end times.
  • Modern conception of Satan: individual, fallen angel, nemesis of God
  • Narrative challenge: Satan's preordained loss in Armageddon
  • Various portrayals: individual, sad lonely figure, manipulator, absentee landlord

Shownotes Transcript

John and Craig take a deep dive with the Devil, exploring the unholy trinity of satanic films: Rosemary’s Baby, The Exorcist and The Omen. They look at how these three horror classics work, where our modern conception of Satan comes from, and the future of the Devil on screen.

We also answer listener questions on character arcs in horror, what separates horror movies from thrillers, and why the spooky stuff rarely gets awards attention.

In our bonus segment for premium members, John and Craig offer their nominations for the antichrist of our times.

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