407: Becoming a Health Detective to Navigate Midlife Holistically | Natalie Jill
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Hello, friends. Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast. We're East Meets West. I'm your host, Dr. Chris Motley, and we have Natalie Jill here with us today, who has an amazing midlife podcast, and it's called Midlife Conversations. And I have been really checking out your information, Natalie. And first of all, thank you so much for joining us here on the podcast. I can't wait to chat. I'm excited. Yeah.

First of all, when we come to the ancient health podcast, you know, we always try to figure out what are some of the most simplistic and basic ways that we can help people on their journey of health, because that's ancient. Like we don't have all the technology that we have today. But the thing I really appreciate about your page is.

is that you can take some intense information and focus it down to really palpable information. Somebody out there can take it and use it really quickly. First of all, we want to know about you, though. And I read your story and

And you have an amazing story, a very powerful story. Can you tell us about your journey, what brought you into making this podcast and your whole page and your whole platform? Sure. So my journey really started, gosh, 17 years ago. And I wasn't doing anything with health or fitness, nutrition, none of that. I mean, it was always an interest of mine. But my original story, which I won't focus too much on because that's not really what created the new podcast. But my original story was I was...

Just like everybody else, I said I was a woman just doing life and I was working in corporate America. And I sort of lost my way back in 2007. What had happened was I had my daughter and it was –

The first time in my life where I didn't feel I had control of my body anymore, it was the first time in my life where I experienced a lot of weight gain. And it wasn't just from having pregnancy. That was definitely obviously part of it. I made a whole human. But what had happened was things were changing. I was 35 at the time and I had gained a lot of weight and I

wasn't feeling like myself. So I had postpartum depression, which a lot of women can relate to, but I definitely had that. But it was also back in 2007 when the economy was collapsing and I found myself not just getting a divorce and dealing with postpartum depression, but I also found myself losing my house and losing my identity, for lack of a better word. I was the first time...

financially stressed. I was stressed in my body. I was stressed in my personal life. I was stressed in all areas. And it was an experience of depression that I had never recognized before. I had not experienced that before. And it was a very dark time in my life. And when that had happened...

I really spiraled for about four months. And the only thing that really kept me going was that I was a mom and I had this baby to take care of. It was my daughter. And I had really lost my sense of self. And it was in this moment that I had this dialogue with myself that I wonder if there's something else. I wonder if there's another possibility. And it was my first experience with, and I didn't know at the time that would have been personal development, but it was my first

experience, realizing that what my mind believed or what I thought about could change my whole life. And I recognize this pattern at that time that if I could just make a new decision and decide I wasn't going to feel this way anymore and decide I was going to focus on a different outcome and a different possibility that I could maybe take actions from that spot and change my life. And it was just this, you know, it's just this thought that some people think about all the time, but you

Most of us dismiss it, right? You think, oh, that's stupid. You can't decide away a depression or you can't decide away an injury. But it was this first thought of, well, why not? I'm at rock bottom. What would it hurt to try that? What would it hurt to do that? Yeah.

Yes.

what actions would I have to take? And my answer to that question at the time was, well, I'd have to eat different. I'd have to learn more about food. I'd have to move my body. I'd have to get up despite feeling this way. I'd have to let more positive and good into my world versus focusing on the problem. I'd have to focus on possibility versus problem. And I'd have to focus on opportunity versus obstacle. So my life started to change and, um,

As that was happening, I shared at the time on Facebook. That was the social media platform of choice then. We all used Facebook at some point. It was kind of wild. I was very authentic, just sharing where I was at. Like, hey, this is where I'm at. This is what I'm going to focus on. This is what I'm sharing for accountability. Everything started to change for me. My body started to change. My health started to change. My mood changed.

Everything. So this is, gosh, 15, 17 years ago, but my life started to change and I became this known fitness expert. But it was really because of my own spiral and my own

and correcting and that was relatable to women at the time. So at that time, that's how initially my business started. Wow. So initially you started off and then that sort of steamrolling and steamrolling and sort of got bigger and bigger. Yeah. So it became, it was funny because I started, people would say, you're one of the top fitness experts or fitness influencers. And I thought that was so funny. I thought I'm just everybody else, but I just happened to figure something out.

So I was really in the fitness space for many, many years. But what happened, and I'm 53 at the time of talking to you right now, what happened was as I was approaching 50, things started to change. So even though I had built this whole

you know, showing abs and doing these crazy fitness tricks. And, you know, this is, that's what I was doing. I was, I was teaching like extreme fitness and how to get ripped and how to get abs. And that's what I was doing. But as I started to change approaching 50, I started having new questions. So, um, I started, um,

noticing what a lot of your listeners do, especially as they get into midlife and beyond where you start getting this midlife thickening. Like you're like, what's going on here? Or your sleep starts getting disturbed or what was typically working for you, what was working for me nutrition wise or workout wise stopped working for me. And I started having these new

limiting beliefs that I'll call false assumed truths about aging and gosh, aging has to suck and what's going on with my hormones and my blood sugar. And I started having a lot of questions about that. So when that was happening, I really pulled back and I thought, I don't want to lead people in fitness and getting a six pack anymore. That's not what I want to do. And I thought that because it just didn't feel real, real to me anymore. I was like, something else is changing in my body.

So I went on my own quest and typically as I do things, um, which is, which is really interesting when people ask me how to, how to grow online or how to build their brand. I'm going to say the same thing I'm going to tell you right now. The more you just authentically share what you're walking through and what you're figuring out, the more you're going to attract and relate to people. So I shared and I pivoted at the time my podcast, um, I changed it to call it be called midlife conversations. Um,

And I changed everything to be that because I was really curious and I wanted to know what's happening in midlife. What is going on here? What's happening with our hormones? What's happening with our mood? Why is my sleep affected? Why am I getting sick in the middle? What's going on with my gut health? I wanted to understand that.

So I moved into this phase and I'll call it, you know, sort of being a health detective that there's not a one way. This is the only way it's, you truly have to be as we age a health detective and say, okay, this is what I used to know to be true, but, but what, what else is there? And what am I not looking at? And what am I not believing yet? And what do I need to learn? So as I started diving into that, um,

that is what started to grow my podcast because other women were really interested in those topics as well. So I really pivoted my whole focus. And I, even though I do still very much help women with fat loss in midlife, that is my expertise. Um,

My approach around it is very different now. It's not just let's eat stricter and let's work out harder. It's not that at all. It's truly let's go back to these basics with what we need to believe to be true. And let's become a health detective and really look at everything going on in our body to figure out what is that key for us. I love how you became an investigator, like you shifted. And I think it's really important with health care. And we see it in our clients today is that

There's no one size fits all. And that's what I appreciate about how you approach it, because that you're saying, hey, there are different ways that you need to look into your health. What I always found interesting was I do a lot of genetic testing at the office and you're totally on point because you're

It is amazing how our bodies shift from when we're in our 30s to get into our 40s. And our bodies need different nutrients in different amounts as we get older. And I think that's why they're like, well, why can't I keep this weight off? Why can't I literally be able to eat what I used to and I don't get the little pudge around the midsection? Kudos to you. This is amazing. So when you started your podcast…

What were some of the main questions that you got? Like what were some of the highlights? Because, you know, people listening are going to be like, I've got questions for her. Like what are some of the main highlights? Yeah. So let me back up for a minute here. So when people say, what do you do? I say kill fat for a living. And when I say fat for a living, it's not just the fat on our bodies. I call that false assumed truths.

So a false assumed truth is a belief that we're holding onto that is not serving us anymore. So let me just give you some examples. And this is very common. I'm sure your listeners can relate to some of these beliefs. Like as we age, we gain weight or as we age, our metabolism slows down or we lose muscle as we age or our sleep starts getting disturbed or our hormones decline and make us miserable or my genetics or my family history.

my parents had this or my grandparents had that, therefore I will. Or the more common one is my doctor told me that my lab says this and therefore that means that. So we start...

being, having these beliefs about what's going to happen to us as we age. And those beliefs start to manifest on our bodies. So we, when you, when you believe, like if everyone in your family has type two diabetes, you're going to start noticing your blood sugar is changing. Like it's just, it's this, so it's not that it's not real. It's not that those things aren't happening, but we have these, and I call them false assumed truths because it's,

If anyone else in the world has that same diagnosis or lab or whatever, but they had a different result, then it doesn't mean it's fact.

So, for instance, like a woman has a hysterectomy. So they have a medical emergency. They have a hysterectomy and their doctor puts them into surgical menopause really early. So per example, 40-year-old woman listening right now maybe, your doctor says, "We have to give you a hysterectomy. This is going to be better for you. You will likely go into menopause. You're going to start having hot flashes and you're going to gain 20 pounds." This is a real scenario.

So what happens is woman has a hysterectomy. They start having the hot flashes. They gain 20 pounds and they say, well, I was put into early menopause. That's why. Well, I say that's a false assumed truth. Not because it's not true. It did happen. You did have that. But as your doctor said, I'm going to put you into surgical menopause. There's going to be many things we can do to help you with your hormones.

And you can be a success story here. You can thrive. You can get stronger. You could be healthier. You could be leaner than you've ever been. That's a different set of truth, right? So now you're operating under that. And is there anyone on this planet that that's happened to? Yes. That's the first question. Even if it's one. Yes. Okay, great. That should be your belief set, not the other thing.

So this is not a woo-woo thing. It's not a like just, you know, I'm told, but it's what we're focusing on we're going to create because we're going to take actions to support that. So when you say, what do women ask? Typically what women come to me with is the long story of why they're where they are.

And what I'm going to ask them and interrupt is I understand that's your circumstance. I understand that's your situation. I understand that's the belief set. Got it. That's where we are right now. However, my question is not how did we get here? My question is what do we want to create? Like what do we want? What's our new reality? And let's get you there because as a coach and as a leader here, I'm going to coach people into the possibility, not from the broken place. That is amazing because I,

I love the assumed truths, the false assumed truths. Because when you look back in their history and they're telling you their story, it's

Um, are you able to pick out, okay, this is like the false identification of like a program that you're telling yourself and that's where you would start. Like everybody listening out there is like, you really have to go back and look at those points. Yes. Every it's, I do that all the time. So in my, my program, so my, my signature program is called total body thrive for midlife women. And, um,

the first two weeks of that program, we focus on this. Now, some women automatically love it. They're like, this is amazing. I've never experienced this. Other women, they fight me. They're like, no, just tell me I need to be stricter on my food. No, I need to work out hard. They're, they're mad. They're like fight. And I say, we're going to get there. I promise you. But until

I'm helping you with this foundation. I can't help you there. And the reason is if someone comes to you, you know this, and they say, nothing will work for me. Prove it. Like nothing. You're right away like, great. Like, oh, I don't, I'm not gonna, I don't want to battle that. So it's kind of like building your dream house on sand.

If you dream, build your dream house on sand, it's going to collapse. It's not going to work. We got to build the foundation first. And the foundation is, do you believe it's possible? Like, are you willing to let go of all of these things you've been holding onto that are not serving you to believe a new possibility? And just like, let me kind of tell you this. So I'm 53 now. So when I was approaching 50, I started having a lot of things go wrong with my body. Like I, I mean a lot, uh, I was getting thick in the middle. My hormones were all over the place. Um,

I, uh, I tore my bicep. I ruptured a disc in my lower back. I had my blood sugar started. I had like all as a fitness expert, I had a lot of things going wrong.

And I had to look in the mirror at myself and realize that I was also living in a lot of false assumed truth. So I went down this same path that I'm talking about right now and said, okay, what's my new decision? What do I want to focus on? How do I want to operate? Now let me become a health detective. Let me clean up my gut. Let me look at what's going on there. Let me clean up. Let me start looking at what are all these things. And it was not just diet and exercise. It was, it was all these questions and,

And I went down a path of a lot of different actions, which I'm happy to get into. But for me, I'm now 17 pounds released.

At 53, I'm in the best shape I've ever been in, like best shape. And it had nothing to do with getting stricter on my diet or working out harder. It had to do with this stuff I'm talking about. So when I walked through that again, I now was able to come back stronger with women and say, wait a minute, I know what you're feeling right now. I got it. And we're going to do things different this time because you absolutely can thrive in midlife. You can absolutely be in your best shape.

But you have to follow these things first. It's not about just getting stricter on what you've once believed. Wow. So what would be some of the basic points that you went through? When you got to 50, you started to go down this path. What were some of those things that you did? So the very first thing is I had to go back to what I was basically preaching before and say, what's my new decision? Even though I didn't feel like it. What's your new decision? Okay. Yes, you feel like a puffball right now. Yes, you feel like your hormones are all over the place. Yes, you feel...

like a fraud almost. I'm not living the part of what people expect me to be. So I had to first make a decision that I was going to figure it out and I was going to thrive no matter what. I was going to figure it out. I had to get clear on what I wanted. A lot of women tell you what they don't want. Like, I don't want to be overweight. I don't want to be this. And I had to interrupt that and say, what do I actually want? So those listening, you can do that same thing. What do you want? Like, well, I want to be fit, but why do you want to be fit? Well, I want to be fit so I can

I can keep up with my husband or my kids or my grandkids. You have to get clear. What do I want? What does that look like? What does that feel like? And for me, what I wanted was I wanted to figure it out so I could have energy and focus and enjoy my life again and feel confident. And so I could still help other women. And so I was clear on that. So I said, okay, if I'm that person, what do I need to know? What do I need to fix?

And I knew that I can know all the things about food and workouts, but it's not helping me right now. So I said, okay, what's going on? Like what's going on? And I look at things as an order of operations. So yes, hormones are important, but like what's going on with our gut health? Like,

our gut is our second brain. And if your gut is not operating in its ideal capacity, there's nothing you can add or do. Like you can't just take hormone replacement and have that fix everything. If we don't have a healthy gut, we can't just, you can't just eat a variety of foods. If you don't, there's a lot of things we had to look at. So it was cleaning up my gut health and going, okay, let me, let me really look at that.

And then even deeper than cleaning up my gut health, what was feeding the gut health problem? So where are toxins coming in? And toxins come in from all different places. For me, it was getting really real. I had had breast implants for 33 years. I had had five sets in 33 years.

33 years. Five sets. Yeah. Yeah. So Dom. Yeah. But when I walked through, yeah, but I, I, I took, I removed them. I learned I had a rupture. I removed them that they're not in anymore. I removed amalgams in my, in my teeth. I just, I looked at like any, what could be contributing. So it was going through that. Then it was, then it was dialing in hormones and going, okay, let me, let me look at hormones now. Now then it's looking at, um, what's going on with, um,

with everything, like, like really like head to toe, what's going on with thyroid, what's going, really looking at all that. And once that became clear and I started opening up detox pathways and learning, um, about what I'm letting in. And when I say letting in, it's not just your environment, it's what you're listening to, what you're believing, what you're surrounding yourself with. In addition to what are you eating? What are you experiencing? What are you around? And

that's when things started just to go back to normal. And then that's when your nutrition and your workouts will make sense and do play a role. So it's,

So for everybody listening, it would be that you really investigated the things you knew were toxic to your life. Like this is not like these are the things that are toxic. So let's remove the things first. Because do you find this though, Natalie, that when patients, clients come in, you're right. I always try to find out what are some of the simple things we can move out of the system instead of like here's taking a whole bunch of more supplements or herbs. Agreed. So it's removing the things out of there. And that's not just –

It's like, you know, amalgams and breast implants, but it's like your toxic thoughts too. Yeah. It's everything. And then here's the thing. When I say this, it's interesting because what happens is women then want to skip the initial stuff I said. They say, oh, maybe it's just my breast implants. Oh, wait, maybe it's just my feelings. Wait, maybe it's just my thyroid. It's never a just. It's never just the one thing. And I want people to hear this. It's not you just fix one thing.

thing and everything goes back to amazing. That's not the way that it works. And that's the problem. When we are a quick fix society and we think it's just hormone replacement or it's just I'm going to clean up my gut or it's just I'm going to go get acupuncture one time, whatever. It's not a just. It's not a that. We are a whole person. We're a whole human being. When your car is not running right, we don't just go change the oil. We got to go, what's going on here? What

what's how old is the car? What's happening? Like, have we done maintenance? Like there's a lot of things like it's, it's really wild how, if any of you, if anyone listening, if I were to give you a racehorse, like a million dollar racehorse, and I said, you have a million dollar racehorse here and it has the ability to really like earn you a lot of money and be your retirement and all this stuff. Like, what are you going to feed that racehorse? Who are you? How are you going to let it sleep at night? How are you going to take care of it? What are you going to, we put,

But we won't do that with our own body. Our body is more than a million-dollar racehorse. So it's not a just. It's not a I'm just going to give up fruit or I'm just going to eat carnivore or I'm just going to take this one supplement I saw an ad for or I'm just going to do HRT. It's never a just. It's a whole picture approach. And it's starting with what am I believing? What do I want for myself?

then it's, yes, obviously we have to clean up our diet. You've got to be eating an unprocessed natural food diet. That's like number one. You have to do that. We have to move our body. But after that, it's the detective work. Am I looking at every area and going, am I on point here? That's amazing because when you hit the nail on the head when you talk about trying to find out different levels and like I want, I'm not moving away from this part, but

One thing I really love is that when we talk about how our belief systems do literally change our

our physiology and that's the one thing I love about in you know, Eastern medicine is that there's always this belief and knowledge that if you have a program running that that program is affecting an organ to Express itself in a particular way and what you believe will make the organs act differently and that will show as you get older and I think it's really hard for people as we get older this is what I think is really hard and

is that your belief systems are totally different from when you're a kid, you know, early 20s to when now where you're at. You go, no, I do not want to go hang out late at night. I do not want to, you know, that's so your body would respond differently and say, hey, no, this gland is not going to produce this much hormone because that's not for you. That life's not for you anymore. And then they show, I love it that, you know, you can start seeing it in people's faces and their hands and such. And I think that's when you're talking about being the investigator,

and seeing the changes like just in your hormones,

And one of the things I get asked, and I'm going to ask you now, it's like when you were doing the investigating, what was one of the biggest, that belief system, you know, it changes. What's one of the biggest hormonal shifts you had, like you found on your blood work? Like you got to that point and you're like, I found this, this was huge. So, okay. So I had massive estrogen decline, which is totally normal, like as we age. And you're told by Western medicine doctors, like, well, that's just your age. It's fine. It's normal. But for me, I was having incredible amount of hot flashes. So for me, I,

My initial thought was, oh, I'll just go do hormone replacement. And look, I am totally not against hormone replacement at all. In fact, I am a fan of hormone replacement for me. I'm a fan of it. However, there's still an order of operations. So to me, what I didn't understand is the gut connection with hormones and how your body will process estrogen if your gut is not healthy.

So to me, like a first step was cleaning up my gut and making sure I've got the right balance there because you're going to feel things and express things different. And if you just jumped to hormone replacement without doing that, your body is not going to metabolize it the same. So you could quickly, even though you're low on estrogen, start being estrogen dominant because you're not metabolizing things correctly. So

So I think one of the biggest shifts for me was changing my beliefs that around gut health first. And I'll say like with gut, I always thought, well, I don't have bloating. I don't have, I don't have digestion problems. I don't have a gut health problem. I didn't understand that that's necessarily, you don't necessarily have those signs, you

your gut, if you ever took antibiotics in your life, you probably have something going on in your gut. Like there's, there's a, we all get to clean up our gut. Like that's a thing that we're not realizing like that just taking one round of antibiotics can do that to your gut. So, so, and I had many of them growing up in the seventies. Like I, so it's, it's,

That was one belief for us. Now, I'm a big fan of, I personally am a fan of hormone replacement as far as bioidentical for me. And I know everyone's on their own journey and decides that. I'm of the belief set that there's no need to suffer. So yes, estrogen does absolutely decline. We can't stop your estrogen from declining. You can't stop going into menopause.

Like eventually you're going to have menopause, whether you're 45 or 55 or 60, like it's going to happen. So you can't stop that. So it's then how do you optimize? And that's your choice, how you want to do that. I choose to do small levels of hormone replacement to replenish back up, not to be at 30 year old levels, but to bring me to the point where I'm not suffering and having, you know, hot flashes all day, that type of thing.

Yeah. Do you like with estrogen or progesterone? I have a lot of patients on that too. Do you like the liquid form? Do you like the topical application or like what kind of forms do you like? I like the transdermal. So it's not, you're not ingesting it. So for me, I do a bioidentical estradiol patch. That's what I do. I do a small dose of that. That's a patch that you wear. And then I do a bioidentical progesterone oral that I take that at night, which changes, can change your sleep.

after you've looked at other areas affecting your sleep. And then I do, and then for testosterone, I look at that as different levels if people want to do that. But I'm not a fan of like the pellet, which you really can't control. So I would be a fan more of the bioidentical cream or injection at small levels. So you can, there's different trains of thought on hormone replacement. I'm all for it. Some people teach that they want you to get to optimal levels to be like at a level you were at age 30, for example. That's not my preference. My preference is to do

a little bit do enough that I'm not having the symptoms that are making me crazy, but not so much. I'm not trying to be a 30 year old again. So it's, that's a personal preference and another reason to be a detective around it and to really learn like what is hormone replacement? Is that something I want to experience? And then really understanding the difference between bioidentical and synthetic, which are totally different things.

And when people are considering that, Natalie, like they are saying like synthetic and bioidentical, because I have some patients that come in and ask that. They're like, oh, I, you know, doc, you know, I don't know. I'm trying to not do this. No, I'm totally with you, Natalie. I am saying don't suffer.

I don't want anybody feeling bad, but I'm saying with bioidentical, what is the difference if they went out to look for something like you say between the synthetic and the bioidentical? So I, I, I'm not, I don't want to like go too far down a rabbit hole here. There's a lot of different ways to look at it, but synthetic basically think like birth control pills, you're taking a birth control pills or you're taking like progestins, which is, those are the ones that are linked to cancers and things like that. So when you, when you look at the studies around, um,

bioidentical is mimicking your body's natural. And those were flawed studies years ago in the early 2000s where there is no... Replacing estradiol when you do bioidentical is not what's linked to cancer. What is linked to cancer is using the synthetic estrogens and doing them...

that way when you're using synthetic ones. So like birth control pills, past menopause are not the way to do this. So you might temporarily get out of symptoms, but it's not doing anything. When you do bioidentical, it's mimicking your body's own natural production. So it's just, it's helping with that. So

I'm a huge fan of it. I think they're pretty life-changing for women suffering. When people say, "I want to be natural," what's your definition of natural? Because it's really not natural to have hot flashes all day long. And that's not healthy for your body either. So when you look at what's natural, I think that's kind of a funny thing. It's natural for you to have hormones.

It's natural for your body to do that. So I don't look at it as a badge of honor when someone says, well, I'm not doing them. I'm not doing that because that to me, it's not a badge of honor. You're walking through some suffering. And if you don't have it now, you will experience brain fog and bone loss and things later by not looking at that and taking it seriously. So I'm a huge fan of looking at that. There's more studies showing the benefits of having estrogen than there are about adding it.

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About, about the decline of the negatives of adding it. Yeah. That's like with that, um, when you have patients or clients and people out there listening, like if you did it in nice small sections, you can monitor it. What would be the timeframes you would say, okay, we're going to do this. You need to do this. I recommend it. And how many months, like we'll check in two or three months. Like what should be the routine, like for a lady, like

So I think that it's definitely a conversation for your doctor because I'm definitely not a doctor. So I don't want to mislead anyone there. So these are just my opinions based on what I've walked through and done. So these are Natalie's opinions. So you all do what you want. And this is something on my podcast, by the way. I've had so many different doctors on talking about hormones and different theories. So I do that on Midlife Conversations. I've brought in so many different opinions.

opinions about hormones and how to look at it there. So these are my opinions based on what I've interviewed and what I've learned. In my preference, we would start in perimenopause, some level, just to get... There's no such thing as balancing hormones, by the way. When we say balance hormones in the...

A woman's hormones are never balanced. In fact, in natural, before your perimenopause and menopause, you're not balanced then either because as your cycle comes, you're up and down. You're not the same level all month long. So it's kind of a funny word when people say I'm going to balance hormones. Like that's...

because you're naturally up and down. So in hindsight, I think during perimenopause would be a great time to start to avoid some of the decline. And then honestly, everyone's got their own opinion. I will probably be on them until the day I die. Like I will be on them until I'm 90 because I don't, why?

I don't want to have hot flashes and have all of that. So if there's the benefits of a small level of doing estrogen and progesterone, I'm going to stay on them. That's me personally. But it's a personal opinion with you and your doctor. I will tell you, there's a lot of women that come through my programs that they were on HRT feeling amazing. And then their doctor yanked them off it thinking that they are not supposed to be on it post-menopause, whatever reason. And then they're miserable and they get depressed.

And they have other issues. So that's a personal preference and decision. I personally think I'll be on them forever. Well, it's truly like there are some patients, I think, when they come in that the way that their life is going, not in a negative way, they just live a very impactful, fast life.

And I'm not saying that's only for people with fast lives. But you're right. There are some individuals who say, well, how long, doc, should I be on this? I said, well, I can't put you on or off hormone therapy. But I would say some individuals do need to be on it for their life. But it's like thyroid. If you have a low thyroid and you're on T3 or you're on a thyroid, you're not on it part-time. If you need insulin for diabetes, you're not on it part-time. So it's hard.

It's a hormone. It's like it's if you it's up to you. But I don't see a reason that it's not a it's not a start stop point. You truly and when people men and women go through this, like they're they will experience like emotional up and downs. And are there I know like depression is depression. One of the biggest things that people start noticing that would lead you to indicate like you need to get your hormones checked or what emotions in general. So I think.

There's a lot of things, but what happens when we don't feel like ourselves anymore, it can absolutely lead to depression because when you've known yourself to be one way and all of a sudden you don't feel that you have that control, whether that's your weight gain or your mood or your focus or your energy, there's a lot of reasons that that in itself can lead to depression because you're like, I don't feel like myself. And then there's shame around it. Like what's wrong with me? And why am I, and it's,

You know, I've had depression twice in my life. Once in 2007, when after I had my daughter and I had postpartum depression, like that was real there. And I started to recognize it again in my early 50s when I didn't understand what was going on. And I was on hormone replacement. So I wouldn't blame that just on hormones at then. I think there's a lot that starts to change. And this is why it gets really critical to become that health detective and not just take

a quick answer or a quick five minute doctor's visit as your, as your answer. And to really go, no, we what's actually going on here. And for me, I would say the root of mine was toxins and then creating a gut health issue and then having to get that streamlined first. And once that was dialed in, then no hormone replacement, then my nutrition, then all that was able to work well again. And then I can get through my day and feel amazing and do that.

it's a lot harder. It's, it's one thing to read. I should do 10,000 steps a day. I should eat healthy. I should avoid alcohol. It's one thing to like read all that. But when you feel like crap, when you feel terrible and you're depressed, like it's a lot harder to follow that than people think. So then there's shame, like what's wrong with me? So anything that's going to get us to feel normal again and to feel like ourselves is, um, is going to help us

get healthy because if you feel capable and empowered and strong and you're not depressed, like you're going to take better lifestyle care of yourself. Oh, that's, it's true. I, I've always seen with patients and myself included, um,

um, whenever I feel down, um, my mom has hyperthyroid. My dad has had low level. You could tell by his, you know, levels. And I've had the, like with my indicators and my tests, like my thyroid can get a little jostled. So I have to make sure it takes detox and you're correct. Cause I had a lot of strep throat issues when I was a kid and I had a lot of viral issues.

And I want to talk on that for just a second because you're right. Like with the gut biome, I find that with individuals, when they are full of microbes that should not be there, it is hard for them to absorb even their nutrients. So they could take their vitamins and their minerals. They could do the hormone replacement. I'm like, but your body is in a fight or flight kind of situation because you're fighting infections.

What were like with the gut health? Is there any tests that you recommended to go get their gut health? Because that's a very big issue as a micro. Yeah. So I'm hesitant to say a test name and I'll tell you why. I would say in general, you need to do a stool test because that's how we can find out what's going on.

It's a little bit more than just a test name. It's who's interpreting the test. So because you could take the same gut biome test and depending on who's looking at it, they're going to say different things or see different things. And just because, for example, let's just say someone has parasites, which more people have parasites than are aware of. People roll their eyes at that. But

like 50% of people have some type of parasite in them. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not showing, it doesn't always show up on your test. There's so many different strands and types. And so, so it's, you kind of need someone that knows really how to interpret that. So I, but I, it would be a stool test that you would want to do for overall gut health. But to me, it's,

There's a lot of different things that we're testing, especially in midlife. We want to look at our guts. You want to look at stool tests. I'm a huge fan of just regular serum tests. You're going to do blood tests. And then for hormones, different doctors will tell you different things. But some people are as simple as they're going to do muscle testing. Some people are going to say we need to do urine testing, more like a Dutch test. Some people want to do saliva testing.

I don't know that I have like a preference or this is the way to do it. That's something definitely to work with your doctor on, but the, the it's, it's testing, but it's also intuitively listening to yourself and knowing, you know, deep down what's causing things. And let me tell you what I mean by that. Like I,

did not want to believe that my breast implants, for example, could be creating havoc in my life. I wanted to believe they're safe. They're, um, you know, it's just my age. It's what's that I like didn't, but I think intuitively deep down, I knew it's a foreign thing in my body that my body probably doesn't want it. So like you all listening, you might be in denial around some things, but I really believe we're smarter than that. And I think all of us deep down probably

probably know what is going on. All of us know deep down if we're addicted to our phone. All of us know deep down if we're drinking too much alcohol. All of us know deep down if we're not

you know, if we're, if we're self soothing with something we shouldn't be, we know deep down, if we've got toxins that we're not eliminating, we know deep down about the diet Coke habit. Like there's, so I don't want to oversimplify, but I think some of us are looking for this quick test to tell us something. And I think if we really go within, we know deep down what might be creating some health issues for us.

That's a great point. And you're right. It is coming to terms. I remember I had Lyme disease really badly. And, you know, you get to a point where you could be a bit afraid to go find out what's going on because of the information you find out. But Natalie, do you as I get older, I look at life and I go, you know.

I could either shy away from something, but I could lean into it. And I want to lean into my health. Like I want to lean into it. Like I would want to know if like my thyroid's off or something. I'm like, that gives me an explanation of why this is happening. And, and like when, when people say knowledge is power, like it's a strength. I'm like, that is really, you know, a big factor in our lives. So,

You found these out and people out there, hopefully they're encouraged. Like go get some testing done. Be an investigator. Find out. You went out and investigated. You found out. Now you're cleaning things out. Found that the breast implants, amalgams,

When you got rid of this, then you started to notice changes. What was the first changes that you started to notice? Because some people would be like, they'll go, I don't know, Natalie. I don't know if I really feel anything. But you know. What are some of the things they should know? Yeah. Okay. So I'll rewind my story a little bit. So the first indicate, well, when I was approaching 15, I started getting injured and I started getting thicker in the middle. My first thought was I felt incongruent.

is I thought, here I'm teaching fitness and fat loss, and I don't know what's going on with my own body. So that was my first thought. I felt incongruent. So every single one of you listening, that I believe is the first sign. You start feeling incongruent, whether that's with your career or with what you believe that you knew for yourself. So you believed you were healthy, and all of a sudden you're like, wait, I don't feel congruent. So number one sign is you start feeling incongruent. Number two is...

But most of us do. Oh, I'm just gonna get stricter on my diet. I'm gonna work out harder. Okay. So that's how, that's how we all start approaching things. Like I'm going to get stricter on my diet. I'm going to work out harder. And then what happens when we don't have the energy to do that or it's not working, then we go into self beat up. Cause like, what's wrong with me?

Why does this not work for me? And that's when you start hearing nothing works for me. I've tried everything. No, what happened is what used to work for you is no longer working for you. And instead of getting uncomfortable and going, what is the bigger, deeper reason we're in self beat up now. Okay. So that's kind of like step two. So phase one is you feel incongruent. Step two is you're going to self beat up because you're trying and it's not working anymore. Okay. So next level is now we got to be a student again.

So next levels, I've gotta be a student. So for me, my first indication was my blood sugar started being really dysregulated. Now I am a nutrition expert. I have two bestselling books on nutrition. My blood sugar was not working and I'm like, what? Like I would have berries and my blood sugar would shoot up over 200. Like that's not normal. So I knew something was wrong. So then still ego, you know, not willing to be a student again. I'm like, oh, I'll go strict keto. I'll watch every carb. I will make sure. And it wasn't working.

So this is when I had to start being a detective and ask for help. So one of my friends, my friend Laura, happens to be a gut health expert. She mentioned to me, you know, Natalie, parasites, gut health could be a problem with your blood sugar. I thought she was crazy. I'm like, what is she talking about? She's crazy. But I had to get past that and go, well, what I'm doing is not working. Let me look. So then for me, it was let me look at what's going on with my gut health.

Let me, let me, because any doctor I went to was saying, oh, it's just your age. You know, it's perimenopause. It's just, you know, this is, this is what happens. But I said, okay, let me look at this. So I listened to her. I did a gut test. I started a protocol to work on my gut health. And right away, my blood sugar started to regulate and I released like five pounds. That was the first indicator.

But I wasn't done there. And she said, Natalie, something's feeding your bad gut. Like you don't just get bad gut health. It's not just, you did an, you know, antibiotics had bad gut and we fixed it. Like something's feeding it. So that's when I started looking at, okay, that's the next level toxins. Like what else is happening? Like,

Now, look, we cannot avoid all toxins. And I personally don't avoid all. Like, I color my hair and I still will. Like, I'm not perfect with the toxins and I don't expect anyone to be. But we start going, where should we reduce toxic load? Now, if you're listening, you're 20 or 30, your body might be doing great with toxins. Like,

you have a liver, you have like everything is working fine. What happens is we get older, we get the toxic load. So now things are compounding. And over time, the more the stuff you're exposed to toxin wise, it starts to compound and we're not effectively releasing things. So,

So then I started looking at that and that wasn't just cleaning up my products. It was like, I got to get real. I still had amalgams in my mouth. I still had breast implants. Like what do I need to be looking at? So it was releasing that stuff. Then after that it was, okay, now let's look at hormones. Let's look at thyroid. Let's start optimizing things. So

It was going through the process and everyone's process might be a little bit different, but I will tell you now I am back to the weight and the leanness and the energy that I was before any of that. And it wasn't one thing. It was literally being a detective and going through the process there. That is amazing. It's an amazing story because it gives people hope because you and I both had these types of clients and patients before.

that when they can't drop weight they'll ask like i can't get around to this these few pounds and some people like no it's 17 pounds this is 20 pounds and which is me and i'm not yeah i'm not patting myself on the back with working with them but you know i work with a lot of yeast and mold and parasites yeah and you you have to like when you become an investigator there's also that that part of your psyche that has to be has fortitude that when you do release some of those infections that

that you're not necessarily want to go to a Herx detox reaction. I try to work very softly with patients like, no, let's get a gym. And they want it done quickly. I'm like, you got to be careful if you go that quick, because you'll feel like horrible. You'll get sick. And like you said, I think that one of the best things that I, one of my mentors was telling me a long time ago,

he told me, he said, whenever you start to modify your gut health and clean it up with parasites, he goes, remember, some parasites have been known to have like plastics and metals within them. Like they actually consume it and the body will keep them around sometimes. That's right. It cleans up other problems. Other problems. Like it's a symbiotic relationship. Then the virus can get into them and you pop them open and then they can come out into your bloodstream and then you start getting sick. And people are like,

You mean they're that smart? I'm like, yes, they're that smart. And your body's that innately intelligent to like, Hey, I got to help. And that's why I believe my, why I had them is I had, I had a ruptured implant. I didn't know I had the amount, I had a lot of things happening. So those were cleaning that up. So they live within your body to clean that up. So when those came out, that's why Laura was smart and said, you know, okay, you clean them out, but what's feeding them. Cause they'll keep coming back with your body. We'll do that.

So, you know, it's interesting because, look, as a marketer, like I guess technically I would be a marketer because I'm online. You know, I have products online. As a marketer, it would be smart for me to say, y'all, it's just one thing. It's just one thing. Just buy this test. Buy this. But I can't ethically say that because I don't believe that. I believe we are…

a lot grander than that. And there's a lot of components to us. And do I believe that mindset, nutrition, and workout could help 80% of people? Absolutely. 80% of us, you do those things. You clean up your diet. You're gold. I'm going to help you release weight easily. There's another 20% of us. We got to go deeper. We got to go deeper. And you don't settle. That's the key. You have to decide you're not settling for it. It's just not possible for me.

If you, soon as you say, it's just not possible for me, you've given up and you will stay stuck there. That is a great point because you and I have seen people done 20% and our grace goes out to these individuals because the 80% that can do the workouts and do these things, what we all have to realize is that those individuals may have a genetic,

tree that's a little bit stronger in certain areas than ours. They have an environment they grew up that was not as toxic as ours. So that's where that self-shame and self-beat up comes into. And I'm like, you're the 20. I am. I have a double homozygous recessive on a lot of my MTHFR genes. And I was always wondering like, how can my brother eat horrible chicken wings and all this stuff up into it towards his fifties and not hardly get sick. And I was like, and I have to like, you know, when I had Lyme and all this stuff, I had to change what I ate, stop drinking coffee for like two or three years doing all these things. I was like, cause I got my genes red.

And it was a process. But you and I can say this, thankfully, and not in arrogance, say we don't hardly get sick. But when we do get sick, we're so in touch. Like you just said, it was beautiful. You're so in touch with yourself. You'll go, oh, my throat is feeling this way. And then you'll go, I wonder if it was because I used to get sick when I was a kid all those years and I had something in my throat like this.

That's where the investigation comes in. I love that too, like whenever you know your body. It's so wild too because most of us in this space, and I call it the age optimization space. So people can call it biohacking or whatever, age optimization. Most of us in this space have a big story like you do too. Because we had to figure it out and that's why we help others. Now, what's really wild is when people look at – like if someone goes to my Instagram and they see that I'm fit or they see that I've got –

abs or whatever it is, their instant thought is it must be your genetics. And what I want to share is if you saw my genetics, it's like, like my DNA report is wild. Like, like I should be so unhealthy based on my DNA. Um, I have like hugely dysfunctional mitochondria, like, like just crazy on my DNA. Then you look at like my dad died at age 49 of a heart attack. My mom has type two diabetes. My sister's type one diabetic cancer in my family. Like, so my genetics are,

There's nothing good in my genetics. So, and obesity, all of it. So when people say genetics, I'm like, okay, let me, I should show you my genetics. So are there some people that their genetics play a role? Abso-fricking-lutely. Like that is, that is key. But I'll tell you more often than not, people that you see that are healthy and fit, they're

It's because they had to figure it out because they worked their butts off. And I don't just mean working their butts off at a workout and their nutrition. That's not what I'm talking about. It's being a detective. They had to learn the reason so many people in this space and this health space are

are really good at what they do is they had to walk through it themselves. Now, where I can tell the frauds or the not, the people that are highly opinionated and say that it's one thing. So when I see somebody that's super fit, like shaming people for doing a GLP, for example, or shaming people for not working out harder or not eating better, they're

Those are the people that I'm like, you were the genetic anomaly and you don't get it. You think it's one thing and that's an arrogant thing. So how do you know who to work with, who to trust? It's not those people because those people, if they think it's literally one thing, they have the arrogance problem. That's their gene. Oh, you hit the nail on the head. There is times when, do you find this that like when you're working with individuals, you had to investigate so much in your life and this is encouraging to everybody out there that's listening.

It is tough and it's trials, but you're right. When somebody just says, well, it's only this. And then they'll bring something to the office. Well, they said, if I took this, it would solve everything. And I said, I understand what they're maybe coming from, but you're totally right. It's like, it can't be just one thing. And one thing is you and I had to become, when we help people, I say Jack of all trades, it's because we've had to experience some things in our lives. It was like, man, I had huge amounts of mercury and I had a huge amount. I was like,

By the first year, I was like, am I going to have to keep doing this? But then internally, it was like, no, I made like you just said, I made a choice. I'm going to go through it. I've already gotten this far, you know? Right. And then I think, too, like you just said, when individuals are out there, remember, stay strong. Like, don't give up. You'll get there.

And that's one thing I love about your Instagram page. It's like you're always showing that, you know, we're going to keep moving forward. And so we did talk about foods. We talked about hormones, what you are doing. And what do you now see as your platform moving towards? I know you're encouraging, you're saying it's midlife. Where do you see it expanding to? It's like, is it just around, not just, I'm saying, is it around the food, metabolic hormones, or is there other things you can listen to?

listen to? So everything that I teach is about age optimization. I want people to age well. Now, I am not, it's funny, my second book is called Aging in Reverse and I hate that title. I wish I never called it Aging in Reverse because I don't believe in aging in reverse. I believe in optimizing or aging. We're lucky if we get to age, right? But aging and declining as we age doesn't have to be as scary as people are

afraid of. Like we can age well. Like I'm 53 and I feel like I'm just getting started. I have many friends in their 50s, 60s and beyond aging really well. And that's what I want. I want to be here as long as I can age well and be productive and feel focused and energetic and move my body. That's what I want. So I teach how do we do that?

Now, fat loss is a huge component of that. Like we cannot be metabolically healthy if we are overweight. We just cannot be. So, you know, I want to be really clear. So when people I'm all for the self-love and the body positivity in some ways, but I also want you to be healthy so you can thrive and not have a cognitive decline.

client and not have your body break down. So I'm going to teach all things related to that. So how do we age optimally? So yeah, I do that on my podcast is where I get very curious. It's, I do some solo episodes, but honestly, it's mostly me getting curious and asking, learning about hormones and learning about gadgets and just learning like, well, how can we best optimize our health on my Instagram and social media, which you can find on Natalie Jill fit.com.

I will always share what I'm walking through, what I'm learning and help. I like to help women feel empowered, like how that you can feel empowered and take back control and grow and be amazing. I am not about making people feel bad about their choices. I think there's too much of that. I mean, I am open-minded to any and all things that help us age well. Truly. And I know there's so much I want to talk to you. I mean, like I could keep going, but like one thing though, I know I want everybody out there.

to follow you and to go into your, to your podcast and to listen, because it is great information. You have really good conversations. I'm going to say like, and you're very good at like how you ask questions. And I'm so grateful when I hear that because it helps inspire me to be a person, hopefully to ask good questions. Hey, no joke. Like, I think it's great because like people love real and authentic. Like people would say, Motley, do you, do you like, you know, I have some friends like don't ever drink coffee. Don't ever. I was like, Hey,

I've had gene reports that say that I have certain genes that may not process caffeine, but I take my mental vitamins to dial me to drink coffee. So I'm going to enjoy that. Like I want to age well, like, so I'm thankful.

And the realistic part is like, that's what people love you about. It's like, I love how you take your information and everybody out there listening is like, you're even in the gym and showing individuals doing exercises that are not going to injure themselves. Like, you know, if there are certain ages, like these are very productive exercises at this age of life. And I'm just truly grateful for it. And that's when they told me you're going to be on the podcast. Like, let's go. Let's let's ask some good questions.

You know, and one of the things I really want to add, these are fun questions. Yeah. But these are not like crazy questions. Yeah, absolutely. So I have two questions. So I want you, everybody check her out. And then what are some things that you like to do that nobody would kind of know about you? Like, is there a hobby or something that, you know, nothing crazy. I'm not trying to get like in your deep secrets or nothing, but.

Let's see. Okay. The first part is what nobody would know about me. I am an open book. Like I overshare. I share. Maybe that's my ADHD. I overshare everything. So there's nothing that I hide or don't talk about. So I feel like if someone follows me on social media, they pretty much know my whole life. But I'll just tell you a couple of interesting things. I am –

I would say I'm a social introvert. So meaning people think I'm very extroverted because they see me online. I love real conversations. I hate small talk and I don't like big crowds. So if I'm speaking to a big crowd, that's great. Fine. If I'm just mingling in a big crowd, I get very uncomfortable. I don't love that. I'm not a small talk person. Nothing drives me more bonkers than you're checking out at the grocery store and they're like, do you have any plans for the weekend? I'm thinking, why do they care what I'm doing for the weekend? Like, they

I know they're just being friendly, but I get, so I'm not good with small talk. I don't love, like you get your nails done and they're like, are you working today? I'm like, why are they asking me that? So, so I don't like small talk. I would say that I'm, I'm weird like that. I also love to go to bed early. If I'm at home and it's eight o'clock, I'm excited to go to sleep. So that's, I get, and I tell my husband, I think I love to sleep early.

because my brain is always going, you know, 100 miles an hour. And that's my time that it just, there's nothing. It just shuts down. So I actually love to sleep. As far as hobbies and everything, I love anything active. I love exploring. I love traveling. I love experiencing new things. I love doing all that. And I probably share it all on social media as I do it. Oh, I love it. I love it. What's your favorite music?

My favorite music is my daughter's, Penelope Grace. She's on Spotify. Penelope Grace? Yeah, my daughter's a music artist, so I'm obsessed with her. That's my biggest passion. So I would say my favorite music is her. Other than that, I would probably say I'd go back to 90s music, which is really funny because she's inspired by 90s musics.

So that's kind of her thing. Yeah, me too. Like when people say like, well, like man, a lot of nineties music in my life. Yeah. Okay. And then if you had to be on an Island and you, for a few months to just rest, not like you're in a shipwreck, that is totally morbid. But I'm saying, but what would you like a book you would like to read that you think is a good book that everybody should read? Oh my gosh. Um,

Let's see. Okay. There's, if I was on an island with nothing to do and I was like, like bored out of your mind, bored out of my, I can't say that there's one book, I guess in that case, I would have to probably say the Bible, not because I like love reading the Bible, but because that I would want answers. Like, why am I here? Why am I stuck here? What am I going to do? I would say that would need to be my assignment then.

Okay. And one more last question. I know it's a lot, but I love these questions. Like if you said somebody to start in their midlife, this is the one thing I want to ask, like what would be like maybe just common like supplements that you like though? Like what would you think that people would say? Like a little small list, nothing crazy. Okay. Well,

So my – okay, so this is going to be a hard one. But I will say if you go to – I don't know if I can say a link, but ageoptimizer.com, I update all the time with whatever I'm currently using, taking, whatever, just because I change this all the time. So it's just if you go to ageoptimizer.com, I always have an updated list. And the reason I say that is there's not –

I get so hesitant on the supplement question. Here's why I love supplements and I love minerals and I love things like that. The reason I'm hesitant is I'm always changing and tweaking based on what I'm learning and what I'm navigating. So currently there is one supplement. They're not paying me to say this. Like I absolutely love them, even though they have sponsored my podcast is being minerals. Like I, I can actually feel their minerals. So I'm, that is a supplement I think I'll be on for the rest of my life. Like I absolutely love,

I love that. Yeah. So that would be one of them. Let's see. Another thing that I would say, I'm just trying to think what I'm currently, you know, it's really, when it comes to things like mitochondrial health, I've always felt the importance of it. I'm not going to say it's just one magic pill supplement, but I think it's important to be looking at, are we taking like CoQ10 and polyphenols like as a basic level, I could recommend like, this is the supplement, the next level. But I would say just at a basic, are we taking those?

Like antioxidants. Are we doing those types of things? And then let's see. I'm not going to say magnesium. I think magnesium is a key thing for all of us, especially at night. Oh, that's beautiful. I'm with you. I go to this, my friend down in Dallas, and she does all my like kinesiology muscle testing. People say, what are you taking? I'm like, there are a few basic things that I love.

Realistically, it's like sometimes I need a lot more QQ10 and the next time I don't need as much. And then sometimes I need more fish oil. Sometimes my gallbladder says don't take much because I'm trying to heal. That's exactly right. We're both like in that boat where everybody is in the same boat. So, you know, when they have like powders or drinks, when they say everything's in this one thing and I can drink it every day and I'll take care of everything. I'm like, it's...

It could, but be careful. You know what I did forget? Okay. I forgot to say enzymes, digestive enzymes. And I'll tell you why I like digestive enzymes. We produce less in our stomach as we age. So after 35, you're going to produce less enzymes. And I am a big believer in getting enough protein to maintain muscle and not lose. So I want you to digest and process your protein. So I would think digestive enzymes are another thing I would probably always take.

Oh, this has been such a good combo. Truly. I'm not kidding. Like everybody out there and we'll put it in the show notes too. We can put everything, you know, that you want us to put in the show notes and the captions and,

and everybody could follow. And I love the fact that you put your supplement regimen as it changes. I do, because that's like the big question. But I just want to give a warning on that again. I know I said it a few times, but it's not one pill. So when someone's like, I just give me your supplement list, like there's so much more to that. But I do keep that list because it's like my biggest question. And I am constantly experiencing and experimenting and changing and learning and replacing. So I update it every 90 days.

Oh, I'm with you. I love bean minerals. I've talked to Caroline. I know you've talked to her. I love them. She's so smart about it. And I take it every morning. I put a lecture-like shot in my regular – right after my coffee, I chug it down. And I'm like, I know it feeds my body. I can feel it. My brain is more clear. So everybody out there, shout out to bean minerals. I mean, they're such a great company. I use their top – I don't know if you use their topical too. I'll spray their topical every morning, night. When they first –

like when I first started talking with them and they were telling me, you know, as always, like if you have an ad sponsor, like I only put sponsors on my podcast if I actually use a product first and foremost. But I always ask them like, what would you love me to say? And then I'll put it in my own words. And when I was reading their initial copy, I was like, what? But it's accurate. Like I spray it and I feel it. So I do. I really do love their company.

That's exactly – same here. Same here, Natalie. I literally will – I use what I use I put out there. And so like I've been using like Timeline and using their mitochondria replenisher. And I'm like –

I mean, I believe it. I believe what urolithin does, but I would be like, my muscles feel thicker and my hips feel good and stable. I'm just like, man, I'm using that all the time. Okay. So I have been using it, but not as long as you probably. So that'll be interesting to see if I feel it. Watch it after a while. What I have found is it's not like weight. I just felt like my muscles started to feel firmer. Oh, that's awesome. Because without changing workouts or anything.

or anything without changing it. I was like, literally, I want to be like this. I was like, I'm a thin dude. Like I'm not like big. And I was like, Oh my word. Okay. So shout out the timeline. Um, anyway, um, okay. So this has been such a great experience and I'm excited. I hope, I mean, hopefully in the future we can jump on another podcast again. You just, you get a nice bubbly energy and I'm so thankful for you. Um, so everybody out there, please visit her Instagram page, her website, um,

And if you're in the midlife, like I am, we got to stay healthy. So Natalie, thanks again for joining us today. Thank you so much. Thank you. Guys, from all of us here at the Agent Health Podcast, thank you so much for joining us today. If you like this kind of information, give us a comment and like and subscribe. And if you know anybody that needs Natalie's info, please forward this over to them and then tell them to go listen to her podcast. All right. Thanks, everybody. See you.

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