615: A Mildly Brisk Walk
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Here in the show document that we use, no, just internally, we have a section for pressure. And IT says in here, all john's apes gone. I don't know what that means, but i'm assuming you've had a real bad like nf t related loss or something like that.

You know what that means, then you got IT. But what are you serious? All my apps gone. I'm not nf, but it's it's close.

Did you at any time have any nfs?

I never had any. I still don't. It's a funny meme.

I'm not sure I ever even new like where you even if I wanted to buy, which I never did, I don't even know how to buy anything. Like where do you go out?

Anybody .

probably? I am being scandal lot probably.

but they know your means link. And I think it's like some person who are tweed about losing all their a benefits. All my gone. Oh.

look at that. H, I did Better than I expected. Look at me.

Go as usual. Mark a.

isn't IT anyway. All my ibs are gone. All my apps gone.

Not all gone. So what does this me you lost all of your zero nfs that you had.

yes. So i've never done nfs and i've never to clipped the currency because it's just not been my thing. And there is many bad things about IT.

But about a decade ago, there was some crypto currency thing that was like a sign up for our website will give you ten imaginary crypto coin. Thanks, whatever. And I signed up and I got ten imaginary cyp to coin things. IT.

i'm sorry, IT isn't a bouncin ary crypto isn't that .

were done whatever like this? I I, I didn't even know if it's a was a proof stake, our proof, uh, work one and I have been a proof of stake one or something or might not even cropped. I even understand IT is like someone just said, hey, sine for this thing, it's free, you get free, whatever.

And I did and I got free whatevers and they were worthless and and I ignored them. Uh and then around uh, twenty twenty one coin base was popular and there's all these like websites that are like come here and manager crept to currency and I was like, I should get rid of this stuff. Can I just like sell IT and get whatever meager amount of money is worth? There's something.

So I transferred all of my uh you know crypto, whatever stuff to coin base and IT was just so worthless and the transaction fees were high enough. And I like, who care? I don't want to deal this ignored to him. Um and then in twenty twenty two, I think like the people who ran coin base for like under investigation for crimes or something.

i'm sure.

And I was like, I don't know if I want my, should I? I should just get my stuff out of coin base because who knows what's going on with them. So anyway, I just I transferred IT back out of coin base and back onto where very came from originally and then ignored IT IT some more.

You're probably committing some kind of tax fraud here. Like when you got your free, whatever did you report their value of nothing to the areas?

And in fact, I did. IT was so small, I really, I told that to my account, and it's been accounted for and that is, you know, worth so little that IT doesn't matter. But yes, in fact, I did.

That's why I thought this was my fault is because last I heard using the same tax account that I I am and and I thought maybe I was because of her that you had to like divest and IT created all sort of problems, but sounds like .

it's a no SHE just wanted to know what I had and I gave her all the accounting of the the worthless stuff. But I think like, you know and having i've been doing this moving IT around, like no things will happen, right um and so with the with the upcoming change in presidential administration in our country, the crypto folks are all going on while I like will be no laws, we can do anything we want uh and so all egypt currencies going up and value my car so this is a good time. I really just need to get rid of this like I know what's annoying and taxi to do anything with that and maybe but just like I just wanted not have IT anymore so let me just get IT and cash out whatever amount is worth just I don't have to keep like reporting IT or whatever um and so I went to do that and it's all gone what and I was .

like I did I lose track of where .

I put because I hadn't looked at IT like maybe I just don't know was IT in coin base now pretty sure removed coin base should be back and thing and looked at and of course the good thing but block chain is that records all the transactions uh and yeah no. It's all gone and analysts, that all gone. IT was all gone two years ago.

Wait, so where did you go?

How do you stop? Two years? Two years ago, someone still at all notice for two years that special.

How did they steal IT? I mean, i'm pressure. You don't know the specific.

So how did they steal? Most likely like what you're supposed to actually do with this stuff is like having in some place like coin place or have IT and like a hard wear while you have authentication and all that other stuff. And I never wanted to have like a cyp to hardware wallet. And when I was in coin base, I IT was probably the safe place that he has ever been, because at least there they have a multi factor log in and everything 啊。 But where originally came from, the only thing there was was the republic icy address, which is a big long string of crap and your super secret key that used to tell nobody, or just a big longing of crap.

And their website was like, hey, do you want to see what your baLances? Uh, you you should really pipe your money in one of these wallets are these things are whatever, but if you don't have IT any these walls, you can just look at your bounce play, putting in a super secret string in here. And there is always scary warnings like you should never actually do this, never taste your secret key into a web page.

This is bad, you should use a wallet. And for the past ten years have been like as fine, been testing my supermarket t text field on web pages. And at some point in the past ten years, I must posted that secret key into the wrong web page at the wrong time, or one of these websites was compromised or something.

And then someone just harvested that thing and call my money two years ago, and I didn't. Oh my god. now. So yeah, that ends my crypto currency adventure.

Ten years of owning a bunch of worthless coins that I was hoping to cash out for, you know, maybe a hundred dollars or something. And uh, turns out I can do. The only good thing is that the person cashed out two years ago when I was worth even less than in, is so they got nothing for me.

But they did the account, they got stuff, stole money from, like, lots of people. And they cashed out for, like you, four hundred thousand dollars or something. I just a tiny amount. H, A tiny, a tiny drop in that bucket was, uh, my coins.

So how much would IT have been worth? Did you do do that computation?

IT would have been a couple hundred box, but, you know, there was never real money. We got IT for free. The burden. I probably paid more. And having my account, I keep track of IT over this year solution if I I don't know, I think you just report like that you have IT and then at the end of notes anyway uh thus and my uh barely voluntary cupitor currency adventure IT ends with IT all getting stolen because I patted my super sy or key into web pages. So like to be lesson for you, don't do that.

I mean, something tells me you are neither the first person to have all equipped of currency stolen nor the first person to have lost money with critical currency.

So i'm not time. That's the whole all my apps gone thing. How do people lose their apes? Like it's so easy, like your security practices have to be Better than ignoring all the warning, which is what I was doing.

And it's a very attractive target because if someone can steal IT from you, there's no recourse is like, well, theyve got IT now they're totally anomalous. You don't know who they are. Uh they've all taken IT and transferred, didn't cash out.

And so it's like, no, it's not there's no there is not of the um the uh things that are in our current financial systems like F D I C or like credit card charge back x all these also other things that give you some kind of out uh or like um you know a large transfer trigger ing fraud notices, what stuff that none of that stuff exists in the cypher the world. So if they can if someone can find a way to steal that from you, it's free, clear to them. So kudos to the person who stole my critical currently cashed out when the Price was much less than is now.

Yeah IT says all the security of a giant pile of cash and with no way to free to protect IT really from anybody on the entire internet like that's great.

I think I would have noticed that a giant pile cash was stolen two years ago. But the fact that I didn't even noticed this for two years and the thing is I was stolen in november. So I go I just happened two days goes because the Prices two and that's amazing.

Um just to be clear, we appreciate those of you writing emails and tweet and what not to correct any of the things we just said. Uh, we don't care.

Oh just to be clear, uh, we don't all of the casey appreciates IT. I don't even appreciate those emails like you like if you are writing to tell us how awesome eclipse is like you you can save your time. Sorry, that's not it's not for me. Uh, maybe maybe you can send them on the case because he appreciate it's no.

it's it's not for me either. And yes, that to be clear, that was a blessing your heart kind of we appreciate blush you're heart for writing an email.

but don't send IT. I don't think the reason I was keeping IT for all those years because I just seemed like a hat, like turning them into real money, seemed like I was just like had more consequences. And it's like the only way I care about this is if it's like as people putting in the chaim, like that person who I bought a pizza for a ten thousand bitcoin and that would be more like a billion dollars in dollars and turns. Just .

disappear.

Let's see some follow up and um we have a this amount of follow up with regard to my adventures in remote television where we last left our heroes, if i'm not mistaken, was that my friend in southwestern connect kt had nothing for TV service over the r TV service at his house and so we were trying to figure out you know some ways to get around this problem mitigated it's or so um the first step that my friend was kind enough to take was to go visit his parents.

His parents live in new mulford, which coins stanly is right next to where I grew up. And he took the anti net over there in the hd hurrur and had the hd home run scan, or have the intention in the hd horn in working concert to scan and see what over the air channels they got a new melford, rather than in the town in which my friend lives. And would either you like to guess how many channels .

we were able .

to receive a new melford? The same number? Oh no, literally zero.

Literally zero is not known for its amazing radio signal reception.

indeed. So that was a nogo. So the next thought we had was, alright, what if we used T, V everywhere? And I could have my friends on into his cable account on my channel servers, and hopefully that would give us his local channels.

And when you would do this via the internet, TV everywhere is like, I remember movies everywhere, movies anywhere, whatever IT was called, where you would no OK. So you buy, you know, physical media. Then you can plugged in a code and you will get, uh, license, if you will, to the to the same movie on maybe you know apple TV or whatever the case may be.

And the specifics don't matter. You get the idea, see the everyone is kind of in a spiritual similar sense that you sign in with your cable providers potentials and you get access to all the at least a subset of, if not all, of the channels that that you subtribe to. And so I thought this is gna work out great for both of us.

You know, he enters his credentials in on the online portal like I am not involved with this whatsoever. He doesn't have to make me a child to count how to speak, even literally. Perhaps everyone will be happy.

It'll work out great. And we did that. And when I worked, and the channels goes and tries to find the lineup of, you know what, wait, i'd love that it's call the channels.

I hate that it's called channels. The channel's APP tries to its apple TV plus playing apple TV on the apple t. So you so IT goes to figure out what television channels are accessible, available to IT.

And the good news had found hundreds. The bad news is none of the local channels were included. So no good there either. So margo, you, at this point, you should start to get a cold sweat, because at this point in our story, hardware was coming to your house. Baby, you didn't know IT yet.

but I was in fair as I did offer because because that does feel like that would make the most sense that you .

did and you are very kind about IT and even came back and and ask me or gave his suggestions, something we got a couple days later. So that was very kind of you but hindu is reached out. And Stephen was the first person not hack at different Steven, and was the first person that I saw reached out and say, hey, you know, if you were to enter the internet at a place in the new york metro area, say, my friend, joan's house in western southwest, connecting ate.

You might find that if you go to, say, cbs s website and just try to watch their programming, you might find that you get the local chair, the local foobar game, which might so happen to be the new giants. I don't know, I didn't think of this, but yes, that's exactly what I should have been doing all in time. I didn't need the H.

D. Home run. I didn't need the anti a. All I needed was this little knocked, you know, this little baby PC of a chance house and that's what I can do. And thanks to the magic of tail scale, who is not sponsor ing the show? But I love you so very much.

Um I turned, I turned my ipad on to the I use the connect cut PC is as an exit note, which is what tail scale calls like, you know when you're routing all of your traffic through a different computer. So I got on the internet by way of connect cut, went to cvs stock com or actually I think I used the APP of my ipad, but this doesn't. And shown off.

IT wanted to play me a perfectly crisp feed of the new york giants. And so hypothetically, this should work for cb. IT mean, I just did.

I've understood that IT works for fox, and we'll see about A, B, C. And abc, but this makes way more sense than anything I was trying so far. And I feel like a dance for not having thought of IT. So thank you to Steven and a handful of others who reached out as well to point that out to me. I have a couple of other options, but any thoughts are commentary at this point.

This is kind of amazing like that. You know, just like the the answer of basically like just use of VPN. Like, yeah, no one, no one thought of that last. We like we didn't think that you don't and I know it's ridiculous people .

in each other .

talk about V P S last week I was still just linking to pay for this cause but whatever .

well in so with that in mind, there are some options if you want to pay for IT um one two people uh europeans or people who are american expats in europe reached out to point out there is a service I think it's called daily. I I don't really know, but it's D A Z N. Um this is a service that is not available to americans.

But perhaps if you have a VPN where you were existing the internet in europe, you might be able to sign up for IT. And I don't know how much a cost, but this is a way to give that company, which in turn gives the nfl your money so that you can stream the info games um from the internet. This is a questionable legality obviously on account of the fact that you know you're you're mashurina and you're up up but hey, i'm also mashurina in connect gates who might have thrown stones um I even really looked into this much because I don't think it's necessary now look.

if you're gonna buy IT don't pay someone else to help you prior IT just or if you're onna pay for pay .

for the real thing right right so so right that's an option. Then Chris h pointed out to me that there are there is a package that exists through the nfl in amErica that will let you watch replace of the games. And I guess they're not they were put online for you to watch not too long after the game ends so you can do that.

And that is the far more affordable one hundred dollars the season instead of the like several hundred dollars that is for false sunday ticket. I tend to want to watch them live, but this is a genuinely very good option if you're willing to give up on washing them live um which I really appreciate. Uh then there are a couple of things regard to youtube TV.

I was under the impression that you must have a full on youtube TV submitted in order to get sunday ticket. That is incorrect. That is a misunderstanding on my part. You do not need a fall on youtube TV sub to get sunday ticket. You you can do that separately.

Additionally in relate in the season is worth noting that sunday ticket is just ninety box h for the next I guess couple weeks until the season basically over um which is something that's interesting to me but still I feel like that's a temporary bandit on a larger problem. And then finally, I was also very prepared because this past sunday you were supposed to get in a Sunny ticket for free just for one day. So you know, you can get a taste bitter, whatever.

And if you recall, my parents, are you to tvs trovers that is legitimately how they get their television. And so I have a child account off of their family. And every, every, every great, once a while, I will turn into youtube TV for some reason.

Another, it's extremely rare though. But I thought, okay, this is my moment. I will turn on youtube TV and I will go, and I will go to watch the giants.

And they said, no, huh? And I didn't working on the apple TV. So I thought, okay, I due on my ipad, didn't work, couldn't figure out, couldn't figure out, couldn't figure out, kept saying I need to buy, need to buy IT.

And i'm looking at an email that says, oh, it's free on this past sunday IT turns out as free on this past sunday as long as you're not on any apple or mobile device. What it's like? What hell is the point then? I guess if I had installed IT on my TV, you know, like my smart v, my L G oit, whatever, I guess maybe I would have worked.

But such an odd restriction, like, yes, you can watch sunday ticket as long as you're not using any of the things you desire to use to watch IT yet. Sounds great. So yeah, that is my adventures in television.

We'll see what what happens. I guess I don't even know the next time of giants play and they are so a business ally bad this year. I don't even know why i'm going to these efforts.

It's just a project at this. But nevertheless, that is my update. And I know you're both are very relieved to have received .

IT sports sports .

small baby um alright marco, I have assigned you this is two consecutive weeks I have a sign you vision pro homework and sorry, not sorry did you did you or did you not do your homework?

I did indeed do my homework.

I am very proud of you. Um so the home work this week was concert for one ray. It's R A Y E. Um he is a singer artist such a from london.

And this is a nine ish minutes video in the spirit of the elliot z thing, where are the elisia's thing? I think that was like five hundred forty five minutes. Ter, like that.

This was, like I said, nine minutes, but it's nine minutes performance in a studio, I think was recorded in one. And if not mistaken, and IT was ray and a backing band, including strings and back up singers and traditional instruments you would expect in a band. And I was curious to hear your thoughts, or if you prefer me to start, I can start. Doesn't matter to me.

You go, head, i'm curious to hear yours first.

right? So this, like I said, eight, nine minutes. I had heard of ray before, but had never heard any of their music, so I didn't know what to expect.

And this is yet another instance where I feel like this happens a lot, or maybe i'm making IT up, but I feel like a lot of times when you see apple murcia video, one of the first shots, if not the first shot, is like an extreme close up. Somebody space like we saw this in, in, in, not drinking, excuse me, and submerged and we see this here. And maybe over time I will get used to IT going to say, I don't love that. I feel like i'm infringing on somebody's personal space by being that close. Is kind of i'm being a little dramatic here.

but no, you're not. I have the exact same complaint. You are not being over dramatic. It's weird. Like IT gives me the heb G V.

Yeah like IT IT feels like, okay, you are like these these shots start out so close that you can like see the person's pours on their face. You can see the stubble where they shave. Like it's just it's too close.

Like IT IT is way closer than anybody would ever stand. And because you have the VR one eighty format, the immersive format, you are seeing IT in three huge lifesize right in front of you. IT looks like you are there. And therefore IT looks and feels like you are standing way too close to the stranger in feet.

And like as, I mean, look as middle aged men who try who try to be conscientious of of the real dies of the world, I take extra precautions to try to make sure i'm not creeping anybody out like I know I would never in a million years stand that close to a stranger like that would. That's never anything I would do. And so IT feels really like off putting.

And I think they are they're obviously doing IT to show off like they are. They're doing IT too value so that you will say, oh my god, look how sharpit is that feels like i'm here. And I think it's one of these things that they will grow out of. I hope if this if this platform ever gets a chance to mature, I think that's one of the first things that will change as IT matures is like they will stop getting so damn close to everyone's like faces and next and bodies because it's just weird. Do you think that might be like the .

the train coming out of the movie screen when people first star movies and worried the train was gonna n them over? Do you feel like you're that audience and the with the train coming out them or no no.

it's not as much like scared and it's just it's like I am infringing ing on somebody y's personal space.

I know i'm not saying the feeling. I'm saying the idea that the people people for first experience that so the story goes, they thought all the trains going to come out of the movie Green. And but obviously as sophisticate move, you are who grew up with movies.

Es, we never had that experience. We didn't think the train was going to hit us. Uh as is because you're all flooded studies and uh future generations will not be bothered because they will they will understand that a more instinctive level that there is not actually a person there, right?

Like you're not actually staying to close somebody to recorded video and you watching IT in the same way that we're not worried about. I'm not saying this is the case. I'm saying have you thought about that angle? Do you think that um it's the type of thing where maybe you yourself will never get used to but people who grew up with IT won't have the same hand and hang up. So do you think it's like this is a going to be bother .

some no matter what? I think that could be either way. I'm meaning toward IT. Maybe if you are a child of the vision pro, then I present IT wouldn't be as bothersome.

But for anyone that has any amount of the life experience before strapping this thing in your head, I think IT, it'll be a little little uncomfortable and I don't know. But on the plus side, in marco, you touched on this briefly earlier. The fidelity in this headset is just unbelievable.

I mean, you can see pores. You can see double IT is incredibly crisp, just astonishingly crisp, but at least to me anyway um and so I really I really do appreciate the fidelity of IT. I do think that this was kind of fun this particular video because basically imagine you know that the camera did move a little bit forward in backward IT did not move literally at all in the way the the musicians were arranged.

Was that to the left and the right of the camera? When I was position as far back as possible, there's a fair bit of space to the left in the right, and then the musicians start in, like angle told the center of the frame. I enough, doing a great job, describe, but surprise to say, as you ve got closer to the back of the stage, as you're watching IT, that musicians were getting closer, closer.

You just, by virtue, the way they're standing and you're sitting and that left like this big kind of IO, if you will wear ray could move forward backward and I feel like delivered or otherwise. SHE did a little bit of playing with that. Know he would walk forward to walk back ward again.

The camera occasionally move forward and backward. And I thought that was kind of meat, because I feel like depth means a little bit more in this context than IT does in tut movie making. And granted is still mean something there, but I I don't know I just not hits different.

I feel when when you've got this immersive in three d environment, um I watched IT with the audio pods or whatever they are calling the the strap. You know I did not have air pods in when I watched IT. And unlike the weekends music deo that we talk about last week, um I didn't feel like the audio pods did a very good job with this.

I don't know what IT was specifically IT just sounded awful ly tiny in a way that the weekends did in which funny because I would argue weekends music is inherently more basic than raise. But nevertheless, I did. This is the first time, I think ever that i've watched something on the vision pro that i've thought I really should put in aero podds because IT is the audio pods.

And forgive me from going in the wrong name are astonishing good at at broadcasting into the OpenAIr, but kind of pointed at your ears and they sound really good that i've watch movies with them of watching other short features like this and i've never felt its a problem until this one performance. I don't know what I was, what was weird, but that being said, I am, i'm not a musician. The only thing I can play with africa y as a stereo.

And I I don't know what it's like to perform music, but I do know what it's like to be around live music. And i've been around enough live music, not an overwhelming out, but i've been around enough that to me anyway. And I don't think this is unique to me that there's something special when a group of musicians, when they're just cooking, you know, you can just tell they're in, they are in IT and they're all I know vision is in the right word, and I proba sound like all man anyway, but it's just like they're all was in the moment and everything's clicking and everything's firing and it's just good.

And the second song that he performed, I feel like toward, like the tAiling to that song, you could tell everyone was just cooking and being able to like, look around and focus on the instruments that you want to focus on. I know we have talked about this before. That is so fun and so cool, and god helped me.

I want to watch every piece of music content in in this immersive environment because it's just so cool. And I came away from IT going from, I don't know who ray is too. Wow, she's really good and I should explore more of her stuff.

So all in all, I really, really enjoyed IT. I thought I was really good. So marko, what did you think musically?

She's obviously very talented. IT wasn't a quite, but I would Normally choose to listen to. But I enjoyed performance. I like that from the technical point of view. You mention that the camera I was not moving much IT basically would switch between fixed shots like IT didn't IT wasn't you said you thought I moved during some of the show.

I didn't notice, thought I did a little bit of toward the back of the frame in the backward, you where you would expect to be sitting. I don't know how to describe IT otherwise, but maybe I mean that up, but I could swear that I saw IT move a couple of feet a couple of times, like I don't think IT was very much and I was very slowly not like that crash, like dolly zoom that you saw in emerge that kind of me to go oh yeah or the .

weekend video where it's like there's a lot of emotion. The weekend video yeah this yeah was basically switching between a small number of like fixed shots. I think that's the way to do IT if you want to like this one.

I had zero problems with motion sickness. Feeling like like IT was totally fine. I'm kind of learning as as a viewer that a Better way. Like i'm tempted because the hundred the degree field of view is is so novel, i'm always tempted to to look around just like what's on the edges of this frame yeah it's in the shot technically and like looking at what's on the edges. But the problem is the edges are never in focus for lots of reasons.

I've kind of learned that like in order to prevent weird like ice train focus issues with my eyes, i'm Better off just looking in the middle of the frame the whole time. I just let you know, let the camera framing show me where to look, instead of trying to look around and get every single I do you every single for me. Let's figure what's going on around me.

So i'm kind of learning how to watch IT Better. And so I didn't have many problems of focus here. The only we are thing about that is like there are moments where, like when IT, the way I was staged was the artist was in the middle, and then he had like her back up instruments on one side on her back up singers on the other side, like like left and right, kind of in line.

And the problem is that when when they would show either the instruments or the back of singers. Only one of them would really be in focus. And so and i'd want to be like all that that singer sounds pretty good, cool.

But like I kind of want to look at the one behind or two, and I kind of can't. So there were kind of weird issues with know again. And selective focus is weird in this form because we think with our eyes, we think we can just focus on anything on the frame like because IT looks like we are there.

And if we were actually there, that's how our eyes would work. But IT shot more in that systematics that were like the backgrounds, all blurry and only only sources focus. But I don't expect that fro m 3 d like my eyes， don't expect my eyes, expect I can focus on anything I want to because I feels like I am actually in that room.

So the emerge is working in the sense IT is tricking me into thinking that I that my eyes will work the way that would work in real life. yes. And that's another one of those of technical decisions that I think immersive video might have to reconsider as IT mature is like I think having very shallow dept.

The field is probably not the right call. A lot of the time, if you're trying to show a whole scene, I really think filmmakers should probably have very air rapid rs to get very big field because that's what we actually expect our eyes to be able to do when we're watching IT. So anyway, all that being said, the idea of this this serious apples putting out there where there is basically like five minute many concerts being put on there, especially film, just for this in a special room, let's fine.

I don't think it's ideal, but it's fine. I think in an ideal form, we would get a lot more of these IT would be an actual concert with an actual audience, and they and they would be like a little more complete shows like, you know, give me a whole set, give me, you know, at least you, at least an album worth, give me forty five minutes or something, like just instead of, like basically, here's a little snack of content. I feel like all we're getting on the vision pro with little snacks.

What that does, first of all, you know it's obviously I keep harper in like this like we need more content on the vision pro. You can still go through all a bit the first night you have IT. Um but more than that, if you if you try to capture like you know full concerts, it's easier, it's cheaper.

You you can just filming the contracts is already happening. Just stick of V R camera in a good seat in the middle or even like for where the sound board is like you know usually that's kind of central, kind of midway into the audience like stick of your your camera on the front of that thing. Like so people can just see you just a fix to you because like one thing I I didn't think about with this, like because they were mostly you switching between a small number of fixed camera positions.

I realized like I actually I would be fine if there was literally just one because whenever they would switch to one of the other ones, I wasn't really gaining anything. I was just getting too close to her pause but like I would be totally fine to just like heavy fix position or I just were just like you have a really good seat to a concert. And and again, I do think having an audience, I think we really add to IT um because that's part of the live music experience.

Is there being an audience there in the audience energy and musicians perform differently when there is an audience present than when there isn't. Now obviously, there are two very different art context and some people can be Better than one than they are the other. Um but if what you want is the experience of being in a concert, which I think this can probably very well deliver if it's if it's captured that way, if what you want is that experience being to a concert, this isn't that this feels like you are in a room while they're in performing a demo a for you and that's that's interesting and the music can be interesting, but it's not a concert experience really.

A concert is other people, the audience and the musicians is playing to those people, the audience not playing to a camera person with nothing else, you know, there. So this is a fun experiment, but there is so much more they could do. And I hope someday, sometime, they actually just give us concerts.

I'd like the snacks, but I do agree that concert would be incredible. And I can think about is, you know, imagine, and maybe this is just me, but imagine mtv unplugged being brought back. I know they have done in years, but can you imagine unplayed in this kind of an environment like that would be amazing.

And I can imagine that you, if Fisher, whoever that you're into maro, even if they did exactly that, what we just saw for eight or ten minutes, I think that would be one tenth of one fish song. But nevertheless, that literally would be a snack. But anyway, imagine how amazing that would be.

Like I would kill to see like you know danny bander or or someone else that I really enjoy in this kind of a format. So I that dog mean you're wrong. I mean, I think more would be Better for sure, but i'm really digging the idea. Just please apple, just pm breaks a little bit on the extreme concepts also .

like like IT doesn't even half at me. Look, I would love for them to actually record full concerts that are in full size venues that are actually happening with the new audience members. But IT can even be something a little smaller ale. They wanted to look like a half way point between this and what when what I am actually asking for. Um look at things like the npr tiny desk concerts.

It's one of the great gifts to music like though I love you is all hundred percent they get such great artists there and they are and it's such a cool recording environment where first, you don't know, just look up youtube for tiny disconcert and look for any artist that you have even heard of even once you haven't. It's it's totally worth in because they literally just like host artists in like a part of the N P. R.

office. And it's full of like carpets and bookshelves are full of books and everything. So the acoustics are great. It's it's a very absorbent acoustically, there's no act.

Everything sounds very warm and it's usually just surrounded by a ring of like all the people who work there, just like kind of standing around the boundaries of like a big square of desks like us um listening and clamping. And so it's like a small audience, small club field with amazing acoustics and they get top to your acts, like the really good acts to play these. And anyway, they play in five, six songs.

Maybe they're playing for like a half hour. That's a great format. And that kind of thing would also, I think, be a good inspiration of like what can music look like in V R. That give us that make you feel like we are there listening to that, that would be wonderful as well if you want to have that than a full concert, rena. But there's so much potential here for just take events that are literally already happening and just put us there, bring us there through through, through a fixed camera, please, more.

Yeah, yeah, I would. I would love tiny death concerts in this format in. And yeah, I think that I realize and breaking up because I adore tiny, these concerts.

And they are, I think, the modern version of mtv unplugged. I mean, they are not literally plagued all the times, but I think this is the spiritual successor. Empty the unplugged.

And coincidently, h ray has a tiny test, which I actually preferred, the the songs that he performed in concert for one but it's still very good so you can check that out if you wanted to get a taste for her music. Um but yeah I really, really dig this this idea. I don't think they're perfected IT, but it's off a great start.

It's like I I think what what i'm hoping for what we are seeing so far with with what apples producing content wise is IT IT kind of has, I would say, the same problem that apple keynote videos now have where there's just kind of dripping with too much money. You know I mean, like production wise, like it's like everything is like to embed up. It's too perfect.

It's too high budget, it's too corporate. I don't know if they have the capability to pull back in a bit or or to give you a little bit. I'm not saying like spend less money. I'm saying make IT look like IT wasn't so CoOperate.

IT seems almost synthetic at a point you know as supposed to just you know natural for like a Better way of describing .

IT and I I would call IT overproduced especially yeah IT doesn't IT starts losing its humanity and kind of organics. And when you're when you you know, talking about what the specks of the new iphone are, fine, you can do that. But when you're trying to show like a performance of music, there should be some humanity still left in there.

And and I feel like apple's current style IT squeeze a lot of that out. IT makes IT very high polish, very high production, very high budget, very corporate feeling. And and part of why I love live music is because that's how studio album said, if the study album sound now very high budget, very production, you know all that, but live music usually is much more human.

That's part of why, like IT. And again, this is such a great format to make you feel like you are really there. That's what this is great at. You feel you're really there. And I think what I want to feel like is I am really in a little bit more human environment and a little bit less produced.

Ah you don't want to be in Jenny eve White world? No, that's right.

That's the bad place.

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please? I will have been going about this topic since discussing storage Prices in the new mac many and the fact that like the laptops, it's not incredibly inconvenient to use external storage. But oh, how do you deal with that? How do you divide up your stuff between your internal drive and your external drive? And or the limitations? One of the things that came up on past episodes was, what about my photo library? That's big.

Uh and we discussed in vae terms because of had a personal experience with moving the hole library to an drive a turns out apple has a support document on IT, which we will link uh in the showed tes uh as apple says, to save storage space on your mac you can move your photos library to a different storage device uh but there are some cavy out so there is much more the document, but just a little taste. You can store your library and a storage device user time machine backup PS and to avoid possible da loss, don't start your a library and a removable storage device like A S D card to USB fast trip or on a device shared of your neck k or the internet, including over a cloud by storage service. So as always, there are covets, but apple says that is officially supported, that they can explain to you how uh but mark weakened, rode in with some personal experiences that show even though it's uh to uh officially supported yet there are other things that might have to you.

H mark says I have my photos, library and a cheap external SSD. It's great. Accept case ionic, the S, S, D will randomly unmounted itself, and i'll have to kill the photos cloud sink process to get thinking working again after, or I could disrepute.

But IT happens about once a month, so it's parable and worth IT to keep my faster internal necessity reserved for data day work. I can say that one drive did not like thinking to its folder in an externalize S D. IT.

Coincide with a very sleep issues and stuck processes that was over year go now, so might be fixed. But I haven't a risk trying IT. This is part of the experience of having stuff extra drives. Everything should be fine, especially if they say it's especially supported, but you can have to make sure that extra drive this mount at all the time, just like your internal drive wood uh, and some programs and explicit get angry about having their stuff over there.

And so yeah, I have to gone a case by case basis to see which ones like IT, uh, I stop, continue to think that booting from the external drive, court court booting from the extra drive, see past episodes what's really happening. But anyway I from the exchange drive simplify the things rightly because at least your stuff is on the boot drive. Um but speaking of that, uh, when I was uh experimenting with apple intelligence and the beta versions of Michael S, I was using an external driver in my wife's mac studio to boot that thing uh to boot from that beta O S uh but I wouldn't let me use up on telga. I got through all the waiting list that whatever and I said, sorry, apple telga doesn't work on an external drive and I was booting from the internal drive and I hope hope that was just a bea thing member we discussed on the showcase.

I know you're there.

No just not yes but anyway, um I hope that was just like a bad thing or whatever I didn't really pay much attention to. But since we've been having discussed many, many people who said I will consider bring from an external l drive except if I do that, I don't get apple intelligence. So I really that still thing in the release versions of mac west.

Why I don't know IT seems like a weird limitation to me uh but that's the thing. So if you care about apple intelligence, apparently you're book from the international drive until apple changes that. So keep that in mind. Uh and finally on this topic, um the other thing that came up frequently that I think we alluded to vegan and best episodes that we have more concrete details uh to try to save space on whatever S S D you're booted from like if you're booted from the inform wanna you want to put stuff somewhere else? Uh in fifteen point one a Michael thirty point one, there is an option in the mac APP store.

If you just go to settings, there is a checking x that says download and install large apps to a separate disk uh and the subtext is apps larger than one gigabit will download and install to the discount you choose. Then you can pick a desk. It's kind of word that don't let you put all the apps over there, just the big ones.

And you don't get to pick that thresh old size. But if you've got some really big apps, like I can imagine, maybe games have a lot of consent. I know other big creative apps um yeah try that uh setting in the APP store a to see if you can get your family.

And I think that's for download, like for future downloads. I don't think IT moves any of existing applications over, but I guess you could just try copying them there or just leaving them and redowa loading them if you wanted. All there are largest that might be kind of owners.

But yeah uh, part of dealing with an external drive uh, even if you were booted from IT, is working out all of these issues honestly like this sounds like a lot of scary limitations. So like I I don't want to do that. I will just pay the apple Price for have a big international thing that does simplify stuff.

But as someone who has had a series of tower mac computers um where they have had a multiple drives installed in them, I know they're not external drives, technically their internal. But from the U S S. Perspective, I wonder I hadn't actually tried this is kind anyway.

But someday when I get an ARM based mac, if I get one that the supports internal storage, i'll see what IT thinks about booting from, uh, an internal drive. This connected to some ancillary bus like SATA or something. You know some slow internal bus is that does apple intel and around you know that say sorry, you can run apple intel turne disk but it's not nal it's in the box.

Does that count? Uh, lots of weird cave house. But I all at all my experience of having many drives inside of my big tower max.

I've been able to freely boot for many of them, and IT has not made any difference in my life. But of course, I am still in intel world. So things are definitely different when IT comes to booting on apple silicon.

And by the time I finally go over apple. So I can hopefully have some of these worked out. But also.

do you honestly think that your first apple silicon mac is gonna have international drive base?

Who knows? Who knows? What if they come out with an m for extreme? And that comes in the big terrace. And I somehow decided against, but, you know, could happen. This is the time or anything can happen.

I won't be like eight thousand dollars.

Do you mean .

what his current one is as much as a damn civic, uh, or was anyway, now it's worth as much as a you go but that's right.

I was also sent to some, some feedback about the someone was benchmarking one of the dual G P U cards that you could get for my mac pro and how amazing I was even compared to like modern video cards or whatever. And they're like go and I know I bought this on ebay, whatever I did an ebay search to see how much she's go. It's like the or sixty eight hundred x doo.

It's got two radio sixty eight hundred, uh G P U. On a single card and you could put two of those cards inside my computer. They still go for like three thousand dollars on me, pay for each card.

So yeah, so you would think like you would think the stuff the Price will be dropping rapidly because you know who wants this? Is old is obviously I like, why would you know someone might need IT, I guess but like still through the original retail Prices, five thousand and you can find a money ebay for four thousand, three thousand in that range. And yeah that's not uh that's that's well well about the threshold of me wanting to buy one to experiment with IT.

It's only I think it's only like almost as fast as an entry forty ninety. Although you get two of them you would be faster than a forty ninety. But anyway, uh yeah don't recommend but uh, this there's logical technology and for whatever reason it's still not dirt cheap.

I one other ebay archer had, by the way, is for the, you know the best piece of metal I have holding my internal drives, hundred, four hundred, four hundred dollars. The major buy a hard drive with IT or whatever. I I have an ease arch of the agency.

Surely the bent piece of medal that has no electronics in IT. Surely the Price of that will come down from a few hundred box. The answer is no. Still, if you find that only bay, therefore, they are being so not just being listed for can you know sold for multiple hundreds of dollars for one piece of metal. It's wild world out there.

By the way, for the record, my estimate of eight thousand dollars is definitely wrong because right now the current mac pro with the m2 ultra is seven thousand dollars if you want some of the GPU course disabled， or if you actually want the entire GPU power of the m2 ultra， it's eight thousand dollars for the machine. So there is no way that have faded t an extreme with two ultras next to each other. No way that's less than twelve ground like there's at least to and and possibly more than that, maybe fifteen grand to start like IT would .

be ridiculous against.

But I say I can't. I can't I genuinely very curious and excited to see what is the final straw that breaks the camel back that gets you to buy a new mac because I feel like i'm not even convinced that being locked out of new version macos is going to be enough to get you upgrade.

Now the real the real question is what will be the straw that breaks us back to get them to buy a gaming P. C? That's the real.

That s just .

A P5 pro， not kind of game to see my P S five pros. great.

Um a less hudec rights regarding the speculated quite a low Price of two hundred ninety nine dollars for apple's home device with a screen. Well, my brand new ipad is only fifty dollars more right now. I've bought on a few years ago and stuck to my fridge always on with an all widget home page that shows photo sides, shows calender.

whether. IT has some home controls. IT also controls the multiple zones system .

that apple's competition, you know, if they are going to make a home thing that kind like an ipad, but is much more limited, doesn't have an APP store, hopefully I won't cost as much as the low and ipad. That would be a weird, I mean, you know, not that apple hasn't sometimes had really wear pricing arrangements really like why would anyone buy this when they can get this other Better thing from a product line for less money? They've done that sometimes.

But uh, I feel like he really does put a ceiling on the potential sae Price for a home thing with the screen unless IT has real has features that ipad doesn't like, for example, that comes with very fancy high for all speakers that are Better than the ones that come with us three hundred and fifty ipad. But we'll see they keep lowering the Price of the bottom and ipad. And I can't imagine that the hardware in their home device is going to be much more powerful than the low and ipads. So hopeful ly, that puts the ceiling on their Price.

So a few weeks ago, I think IT was there were some very, very funny um apple intelligence notification summaries that I think john d collected. And we will put links to these in the show notes. But we wanted to take a quick nickle tour of all the front of the shows, deep trance Smith wrote.

Sometimes the summary is less helpful than the subject lined. So the submarine reads netflix of sending an email to remind you you about a new movie coming out on wednesday and what zed, the subject is coming wednesday in of every thirteen th hot frosty. So the subject actually specify the movie, but the summary.

not well as a problem summary, like people don't always we talk about about subject ines or the and how subject lines can lie to you and being complete. And people don't write good subjects.

Uh but in the case where there is information in the summary in the subject line, the summary is trying to summarize not just the subject of the entire email and IT is missed out on the thing you might want to know about if you're going to give me one line description about a movie is coming out soon and they name the movie, name the movie, right? But there is it's not a person doing this is just, you know, uh, big bucket of numbers and they didn't come up with the useful thing. And so in this case, I would have been Better just to show the subject line.

But IT, by the way, this is like speaking abb on intelligence doesn't work on external drives, doesn't work on my until mac stuff. I would be more bumped about that if I was more jazz about the other intelligence features like I tried them on five mag, I tried them on my phone, on my ipad. Right now, for me personally, the abolition ence features are mostly a technical curiosity, and I think i'm interested in looking at for the purposes of this show. But in my day to day life, they're not exactly wiling me. So I don't think so far the lack of apple intelligence is gonna be a thing that drags me to a new max.

I actually think that the notification summaries, this whole follow up topic not withstanding, I think they are generally pretty good. They definitely missed from time to time. But by and large, i've actually been pretty pleased with them. But with that, said, a Chris ankola to detweiler tea poor super y of the fight theory. So the summary is there apparently forty four notifications from neuro times, which were summarised to be my time defeated jake paul israeli AIDS under investigation for leaks and record doctor the three most recent notifications that IT appears that apple intel gent summarized reads follows october seven league investigation AIDS to benching yahoo visual are being investigated over accusations of leaks and doctors related to the homes war from the atlantic jake paul defeated my tyson, not the other way around, via unanimous decision in netlist hy profile netlist is high profile boxing showcase and then finally from the atlantic, my ties in the former world heavy way champion will soon fight jake paul the youtube return boxer fall a long .

life exactly what I was talking about with sports results, I can get much simple than to fight two people. One of them is the winner. Uh, and got that wrong.

And if you read that summary, you could be forgiven for swiping IT wag as you're not that into IT and just the next day when talking with friends like I can believe by tyson, B. J. Paul, like what you talking about because you didn't watch IT, you didn't care.

You just read the notification. That's a pretty important thing to get right. Don't trust notification summary as if you see that little icon, which looks like two little lines and then like a little arrow sweeping down and you actually care about what IT says tap throw.

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The department justice says google must sell crime to crack open its search monopoly. So reading from the verge, there's kind of a lot here, but forgive me because I think it's all fairly important. The department of justice says that google must divest the chrome web browsers are to restore competition to the online search market, and IT left the door open to requiring the company to spin out android two.

The initial proposed final judgment refines the D O J earlier high level outline of remedies after judge and mid meta a found google maintained an illegal monopoly in search and search text advertising. The filing includes a broad range of requirements, and D J hopes the court will impose on google from restricting the company from entering certain kinds of agreements to more broadly breaking the company up. The D O J latest proposal doubles dial on its request to spin out google's chrome browser, which the government views is key access point to searching the web.

While the government isn't going that so far is to demand google spin out, the android business is leaving the option open. The government says the spin out could also be Mandated. These, those other solutions prove ineffective at restoring competition to the market. The dog says google might even choose divested her itself if the company doesn't want to comply with some of the other rules the government is proposing against self referencing google search in the android.

Other remedies the government is asking the court to impose include prohibiting google from offering money or anything of value to third parties, including apple and other phones makers to make google search engine the default or to discourage them from hosting search competitors, and also wants to ban google from preferences ing its search engine on any own and Operated platform with youtube or geri Mandate IT. Let rivals access its search index, a quote to marginal cost and on an ongoing basis, quote, and require google to syndicate its search results, ranking signals in U. S.

Originated query data for ten years. D O J is also asking that goole let websites opt out of its AI overviews without being analyzed in search results. In response, google published a blog post saying the D O J proposed remedies, go quote, way overboard.

Quote, the post attributed to altham's chiefly loves or kent Walker. So C, D, O, J is, quote, pushing a radical intervention st agenda that would harm americans and america's global technology leadership. That black post response.

It's spicy. They are not happy and IT is it's on the one side. It's like the old man and mei is kind like that's a little appropriate to talk like that on the other side like yeah let's let's just call IT like we see IT.

Now i'm not entirely sure I agree with how they see even nevertheless appreciate fact. You know there just let IT all hanging out. So um that's pretty stuff.

And to be clear, this is this is just the D O J saying this is what we think should happen. There's no had been no official decision yet but they all like the D O J won the case. There's saying here's how we think here here are the remedies that we are proposing and it's going to be months and months until something actually happens but this is the time for google to say the D O, J S.

Proposed remedy are terrible. They're going to the end of the world. And you know, it's time for the D.

O, J. To asked everything that I wants to spend all crops. I want to read benstock before we talk about our .

so friend of the show. Benton son had what I thought was a really good take on this, ben rights and picking and choosing a couple things. Here been rights.

Crown, meanwhile, is an excEllent input for a data factory. Owning the browser is a bit like owning an Operating system. When IT comes to the web, the browser has to handle every single piece of data that comes and goes, including description, a encysted data.

It's one of the pieces of software you as a user have to give absolute trust to. It's unclear exactly what data google harvest from this or how builds proxies of your browser habits. So IT has paul liability in terms of harvest in information.

But there is no question in the chrome is a major asset for google business at minimum that ensures that google searches front center without having to pay any traffic acquisition costs that more than any things, what rubs me the wrong way about these remedy, at a very high level of the core issue in this cases, that google been effectively paying off apple, the one company with the resources, motivation to build a competitive search engine to ensure that they don't compete with them. To that end, the remedy seems obvious, make google stop, stop paying apple. That is, I think that google would dominate those search services regardless. The crime was in paying off a competitor and demanding that google give away the result of nearly three decades of development and innovation, instead of simply addressing the problem at hand.

is too much. So when I look at this, I kind of think that the um the E U approaches as probability as their like solutions have been their approach to what the problem is, is refreshing compared to the U. S.

version. So the U. S. Version you have to prove that a the company violated some existing U S 的。 Uh, and so the D O J uh makes its cases based on what he thinks you can prove that you did wrong.

But very often and I think in this case, the thing you that the company did that illegal and then the remedies that would come from that don't actually solve what we think the underlying problem is the E U just says there is insufficient competition in market x because we think there is uh and therefore, there's a much of remedies that we think will restore competition. And we can debate the remedies, but they basically decide there is not enough competition here. There's too few companies that have too much power, but you can just go to court in the U.

S. And say, I think there's too few companies have too much power and they should be knocked down. Violence is not such broad regular control. Or you can just sort of talk about IT for a while and decide we've all voted and we think that there's enough competition in this market, right?

Um and so they have to say, like all they did this legal thing and that according to this rule and the anti trust laws that are really old and the remedy they come up with just like and what bends getting at is like, look, if the thing the ben thinks they did the most strong is this and he wishes they would just not do that. And everyone looking at the case, i'll say, I think I think google did most wrong with this and then therefore they should do that. But the thing the government actually proved is the google did x and then the government gets to pick what they think the remedies are.

This is where these cases always seem to fall down in my lifetime anyway, where the dog will win some kind of just case against the tech company and say, and the solution is this, and you look the solution you like, wait, how is that going? Na fix things. So in this case, you got a break off chrome because you haven't chrome isn't not fair because you get to favor yourself and you get to observe everyone's activity.

And yeah, the other right. So that's gotta a separate company. Uh, so many problems with that. First of all, who would want chrome? I guess the obvious wer is microsoft because theyve been trying to they were trying to, you know they have their own web brows or edge.

The ie was so damaged by being terrible for so many years that they had to convert the new name, and edge uses the chromium engine. And chrome is the world's most popular browse, just like I used to be so microsoft to buy to whatever. But the thing is, chrome, as a stand alone business doesn't make any sense and is difficult to run. Just asked like mozilla yeah.

I mean, the entire business model for web brothers for the last like decade or more has been get google to pay. You have to be the default. That's how everyone makes their .

own embouchure. I like IT costs this thing. IT costs such a huge amount of money to maintain a modern web browser because the web is complicated.

And so you need some pretty big source of funding to fund that development. Web browsers are not simple and they are not static. If, I guess, people take them for around, they're like I just browse the web.

But from a technical perspective, the things that underly web browsers are incredibly complicated and change all the time. There's security problems, there's new standards. IT is a huge herculean effort.

Uh and by the way, that effort is made a million times worse if you are not the leader. So one of the benefits school gets to only crime is that chrome has massive market shared, is dominant. And that means google, which has tones of web apps like there.

The google web apps, not just goole, search for all google web apps are very important part of google whole value proposition. Uh, it's much easier now for google to ensure that all the web apps work with the world's most popular web broster because they own that too. Back in the battle days, google will try to make web apps and half the robots on I, E.

And they would have to make their web apps work with a browser owned by a company that's their competitor. And that was difficult because sometimes that browse didn't do the things they wanted to google. So we can make this cool thing on our web up of only the browsers did X, Y and z.

And they have to beg them, please can you add this feature? die? Please can you retire I E sex? Like, not just all this. Like IT IT was made google life more difficult. Chrome is the most valuable.

Chrome is most valuable to google by a huge margin, not just because it's the world's biggest as a river, but because of the nature of google's business and its advertising business. Would you like IT is so valuable to google, and google made IT from nothing. IT wasn't popular when I started.

They made their own way browses. They stuck with that regia stranger google 啊。 And they just kept developing IT.

They just kept developing IT. And I got where IT is. And now the in the U. S. Are saying there is not enough competition for search advising, which I basically agree with, but strong uh and the fix is you have to get rid of chrome and like like I don't think is almost sty on impressions like the most popular very important application web brosses are very important application in the most popular one in the world.

They're saying the one company that uh develop IT and can support IT and can can develop IT, the one company this is most available, able to you have to spend IT off, there's no way I can survive is an independent company because. They have no way to make money that had to start get into weird cyp to stuffer that had to be even worse than what google was doing. I mean, again, look at muscle trying to be an independent uh, web browser h and figuring out that business smaller, right? And the other option is, okay, well, IT is an is an company that microsoft asis snapped IT up? Is A D O J.

Not going to let microsoft buy IT because they say no. Now we just transform from one giant company to another, and then we have to have another trial against them. Like I don't see how google getting rid of chrome solves anything and IT creates a whole bunch of problems for the entire worldwide web, which is an important platform that I care about, not the crime is perfect and that google should be able to like things that google does with chroma bad.

But as ben says, my perspective, tell them not to do those things. Don't say you've got to split cho into another company that i'll solve the problem. I don't think that will solve the problem.

I think it'll make a whole bunch of new problems, and I think it'll make the chrome reserve SE. And I think I will make everyone's experience on the web worse. And yeah will hurt google a little bit. But like the goal is not just to do something mean that google doesn't like like it's not you know you're bad so you get punished, like we're supposed to be trying to like solve the underlying problem, which is you know not enough competition and search. And there are a bunch of things in the remedy to go to that like you can't pay people to have privilege thing.

You can't know if that people up that of a eye without a, you know, downrange them like things that recognize that power the google arches and saying, you can't wheel that power a in a way that stifles competition out, right? Those are all good. But split out, split on android somewhere spring android, split out google, like split out android, but then saying android can't preference google services.

What is android, if not Operating system for phones that is tightly integrated with the whole services? Just have to be, you know an Operating system that doesn't have any services and or lets you pick from google services and what the alternative. I don't think apples are going to be eventing a lot of its I cloud services to android phones. So it's just a mishmash of like uh, one drive and drop box and whatever third party photos apps out there, like just if any of these remedy go through in the form that they are proposed, these big ones about is taking pieces of google and chopping them off and throwing the amount the wilderness. I don't think it's going to solve the problem, and I think it's gna make things a real mess for a long time.

Yeah, I mean, i'm an expert in this kind of stuff, but when I look at what google has done over the years there, they're obviously anti competitive in a few pretty big ways at the same time. And I look at I look at chrome, and I think google ownership over chrome is a huge problem. IT really is.

They have used IT in abusive ways. There is tones more abuse potential to be had IT. IT is very uncomfortable. You know how much they control about the entire web via um it's it's a little off like it's a little risky and it's not a great place for the we B2Be.

All that being said, I don't see how split ing up the company this way would really meaningfully help a lot of that. I I think IT would IT would fail spectacularly. And in the family when when you split up monopoly like that, what can very easily happen over time is as the regulatory environment changes, um they can eventually kind of reform like what A T N T largely did. And so I think A A more pragmatic solution here that's more likely to actually work is to regulate the kind of behavior google can do but keep the company intact, keep android, keep chrome because again, like like I don't see any any plausible path for them to be split off in a way that would actually achieve the goals that the D O. J.

Probably wants. And speaking of A N T, like spring of A N T, when you split off and take one big phone company split in two mancha, little ones, those individual little phone companies are still profitable. Sound businesses, they're just smaller, is only the, the, the cell phone service to people in a smaller geographic area.

But phone service itself is still profitable to sell. People wanted to is a good product. Andre google are both effectively subsidized because what they do is serve the needs of google other business, which is search advertising and selling you like selling advertising, right?

Android, if I was an independent of business, would not be uh, as free or cheap as IT is to all the different vendors. Because right now, like oh, and right is open source free. You can put whatever.

But hey, if you want to put that on your phone, you have to use the whole place services. And so and so if not, you got to do a bunch of developing yourself a and what does a stand alone business now it's got to start charging people. Is that like, well, how do we pay for all these engineers who work on android?

Is like subsidized businesses that serve the larger needs of a bigger company, of bigger abuse of monopoly, can just break them off like you could with the baby bells and say, android, your free go on your own now will have competition. And it's seem to like up how how do we wake money again? Like how to raise their Prices.

And then we go back to the battle world where cell phone makers are all developing their own OS because they don't want to pay what IT turns out to be a sustainable Price for android or they just everyone forced and it's like they leave android behind because there's no reason to use the google version if it's not doesn't privilege goods, services and goods that forcing them to anymore. Maybe that's the goal to say android is like linux. Linux, it's free to the world, is open source like a million different android clones bloom.

No longer will google be forcing youtube use their services because they can't anymore. But like IT basically just makes IT dissolve in the same thing with chrome. How are you gonna pay for the development of chrome? Who's going to pay all the engineers keep working on chrome if it's not subsidized because of how important that is to google's other business.

It's just it's not the same as breaking up the baby bells. Those is like wall. You've just got a smaller phone company.

IT would be like breaking google up into much a smaller google where there was like a search engine left ten of the united states in the right half. They still handle the pieces together. I just I I don't honestly like and i'm not against like I understand there would be more competition briefly.

But unlike where where a stable equal liver right now, where the monopolizes are abusing their power, we would like them to stop abusing their power. But i'm not sure the solution to that is put a stick of dynamite into monopoly and just blow their pieces of the world and the problem solved and just walk away because I don't think that's the solution. Again, the simple diversion, make them not do the worst of the anti competitive things that they are doing.

Uh, that's not perfect theyll always find a way around IT or whatever. But I that that there's less I felt this less collateral damage to just saying you can't pay apple off. You can't privilege your products and other products and south living intact. The idea of you can continue to put tons of money into you developing chrome because that is valuable to your business.

And and in google's case, you know all like the the E U type things like you got have you know a choice screen, you can't fault anything to google is still good enough that most people will pick them as the default because they have brand recognition and a legacy of being a brand that people like. So I don't think goods should fear that cut of competition. They should say bring IT on.

None of our services are privilege. None of our search is privilege, user choice for every single thing. Now that is entirely open, the competition, competition is free to form.

Maybe apple will feel the competitor maybe being will get more leverage or whatever, but shouldn't shy away from that. I would motivate them to make their certain tion Better and friendly. Or I think you can do all that without breaking these pieces up and saying android, chrome, you have to sinker swim on your own as an independent business.

I just i'm very curious to see how this is how this land because IT doesn't seem like it's tango right now and even though I think the google response was a bit no petrol and why I child, which I kind of get that kind of making a point like, of course, are being exceedingly dramatic about IT, but they're still making decent point. And like you and like band said, I I don't feel like this is the right solution.

And so sorry about the way you know is a competitive brows. There is no remember being, I guess, but no there apple, that hasn't made a competitive of surge engine, which is that is always saying the goods essenic paying apple off to prevent them ever trying to make a search engine, which honestly, I don't think we should be afraid of because apple would not do a good job. But whenever you never know, apple sometimes surprises you like apple.

So I was surprised everybody turns that apple a really good job on that. Not so much on uh cars or video games or bunchy other stuff. And anyway uh so far exists an apple uh subsidizes its development because it's important for them to have a web browser that they control.

It's not owned by one of their competitors. And IT cost a lot of money to develop a farry. And that money is not if so far was an independent company, they couldn't afford that.

How would so far I make money get from the google searches, but that's gonna to be illegal anyway. So like it's IT turns out giving away where brother for free. One of the most complicated pieces of software to develop and maintain that has to be compatible with the entire worldwide web.

That costs a lot of money that needs to be funded somehow. And we all agree that having more web brosses is Better than having fewer. But all of the most web browsers, if they're going to be competitive and useful, need to have a source of funding.

And I think apple funding safari and google funding chrome is a reasonable funding model to make too competitive web browsers for the world wide web. I don't think there can be seventy five competitive world web browsers because there is not enough different funding models to find seventy five of them. Maybe two is too few but throwing crown out and the woods and letting IT with there any up with just so far I keep leaving out adam, sorry, microsoft like or just leaving in open source crimea, whatever like.

I'm not saying there couldn't be a future with more competition. There certainly can be. But how do you get there from here without tremendous disruption is the difficult problem. And of all the things that google dominate and makes too little competition, at the very least, crime actually does have some competition in in savory and I guess, edge and firefox. And you know, all the arctic .

people have already written so artist, but I mean, those are a lot of the .

chrome embrace browse show. I google would say, hey, luck. We give away the main engine open source. There can be lots of browser completion, but in the end, all that matters is like how many people, brothers, if you look at the you know the the market share ratio is like IT doesn't matter what those browsers do. They basically have to do what chrome does, just like back in the the old days.

You just deal with I E, because as much as you may hate that so many people use that, that is a fact life, right? So and the fact that I used to be the same engine and diversifying crime, but they sort of divorced into blink and web kit ages ago with know another potential increase in competition, you know so of all the areas that were google causing problems, uh, this is one where there are actually is competition and we would like that to be more. And I don't think, uh, injuring chrome is going to uh in increase the competition that other stuff s will increase competition.

You can't favor the search engines off. You can you know punish people in google search results. You can spy on people through chrome like stop them from doing all about that collection stuff. Uh, one way to stop them say it's a whole different company and they want to share the data with you, but that seems pretty heavy way.

Margin had a report uh, a few days ago now about allegedly a new theory. So reading from mark and blooming burg the new series, details of which haven't been reported, uses more advanced large language models or LLM to allow for back and fourth conversations. The system also can handle more sophisticate request in a quicker fashion.

The new voice assist in which will eventually be added up intelligence is doped L M. Theory by those working on IT. The companies planning to announce the overall all soon as twenty twenty five is part of the upcoming IOS nine and macos sixteen s over updates, which are internally named luck and cheer like apple intelligence is for all the new features, won't immediately be included in next year's crop of hardware devices.

Instead, apples currently planning to release a new theory to consumers as early spring twenty twenty six, about a year and a half from now, a holy freaking crap, at a long time away, the revised theory will rely on new appi models to interact more like a human and handle text in a way that's closer to ChatGPT. In google, german I IT also will make expanded use of apintment, which allow for more precise control of third party. So we will get additional tweak in the coming months as part of IOS eighteen. The iphonec current Operating system this often are will be able to draw on customer data to provide context for commands and take action using the information on a user screen. The is eighteen version IT realized in a first generation apple LLM to determined to requested use the existing syrian frames cure or be routed to a second alarm that can handle more complex queries and happen to third party apps.

So very at the very end of that summary is so on. By the way, you're not totally for you know forgetting this, but like yeah I O S eighteen also has promised and will have a version of theory that's L M power that is Better. You know the theory we will promise back A W D C hey series Better thanks to apple intelligence is not coming immel.

But you know eventually in the I S. Eighteen time line you got a theory with them, which makes me wonder how this I was one thousand nine one as is dobb L M theory by the people working on IT. Well, that's L M theory. What the healthy I was eighteen thing that uses a series that sort of elem theory or half elem theory or elem theory light it's it's been a long time or it's like apple intelligence is gonna make series Better but not when they updated the graphics which are mark you know complained about A A few episodes ago and he's totally right.

You up the graphics not the same old make there answering the questions and so there goes your opportunity to dazles people with your new um you know voice is assistant and accompanying new appearance instead you just get the accompanying new appearance but same old thing. And so at some point in the IOS, eight times in line, they'll be a slightly Better one that uses l ms. But now we have to hear about, you know, the real one where serious, actually gonna good.

I O S nineteen, but not launching with I O S nineteen, you know half way through I O S nine's lifetime. So maybe mid twenty twenty six. Come on.

This is so stupid. Like syria, it's like we got of this time. Like theory is is always gonna get Better in a couple of years.

Look, we we have yet to see the like the quote and quote good theory with U. S. eighteen. IT has not shipped yet.

So maybe once that ships, that will remove a lot of the pints of demand for series to get Better. But honestly, I don't trust them. Series has zero credibility to me.

Apple has promised so many times that syria is getting Better, smarter than ever, Better than and IT is still so disappointing to so many people. So often it's still so unreliable and consistent. So often siri has no credibility.

And apple's claims about siri, apple's demos about siri, apple stated features of what theory can do all have no credibility to me. Because I have been burnt. I have, I have gotten my hopes up so many times.

An apple has said, now it's Better. And then I go try IT. And IT is the same old, inconsistent, dumb mass.

So maybe that I was eighteen, one that still hasn't, you know, actually shown itself. Maybe that really will be Better. Maybe this alleged I O S. Nineteen and a half one will be even Better than that, I believe. IT, when I see IT, I think we're all excited by .

IT because of the promise of l ams. That was the whole apple intelligence announcement of W C. It's like I know we've been saying for years and years and series is going to get Better and IT totally hasn't, and it's been disappointing.

But now there's an actual concrete technology that you see in other competing products. Everyone else is using IT. You can see their demos. You can use their products right now as we're unstayed announcing our thing, you can go and talk to ChatGPT into you like this is l ms. This real promise is not just like vae oh, we're working on theory and it's gona be Better whatever.

There's a concrete technology that you can look at and say, yeah put that in theory because that is like what siri does but Better and apple says, yes, we are totally going to put that into syria and it's coming in I S A teen just not immediately in I eventually in IOS t and it's coming. And so I think that's why we're all we have a hopes up more than usual because it's not just vae promises. It's like we feel, put this way, I feel like out here that apple could make theory Better with this.

And like, I see the ingredients, put them together, mix IT up, like I IT seems to me like this should work. I know, I didn't know how the old theory work, but I use lots of Allan power products I like. Yes, use that.

And we're just waiting for to use IT, right? We haven't seen what they have, an I A team. We have just the picture.

Can demos, who knows that represented love, but a story. Now the I O S I T S thing is called L M syrian, like just that. Just mean that even inside out they're like the L I was nineteen things is called L M theory that mean inside the apple.

The I was eighteen thing is already like, we know this is not onna be that grade. We're just doing that because we said ably, we're going to do IT but practice ly speaking. We really need to be working on the real L M zero if I was in nineteen and we're so far behind a map that is not even come out when I was nineteen comes out and that's that's disappointing, right?

We will have had the new fancy graphics for like an entire year. The nineteen one comes out that put back those fancy graphics with an engine. Better now will see, well, maybe I S A teen, Better see you on we Better. Apple has a little a bit of a branding problem. Here is like, i'm one of things I collect this in maron closin too, but I don't know, I see when I send IT a moron, this just ridiculous, uh uh, spoken or typed query and uh replies from apple's various things where you will see the text that is understood. So it's not like I misunderstood your voice or whatever and you will see the most nonsensical, ridiculous reply from voice season and they often come in apple TV right?

Uh and the question for all this is, like, what is theory when I talk to my home pot is that theory? When I talk to my apple T. V? Or what is that theory when I talk my phone is that theory? When I talk to my mac is that theory? Some of those things are, some of those things aren't.

Which of those things will be getting Better in I S eighteen or R I O S nineteen? I have a feeling the home pod not gonna get Better. Will the apple T V get Better?

I don't know. Presubscribed will disaster flexures platform and believe them back because you can do Better things across the salts of rap. But like apples got this problem, that they have a lot of things that you can talk to, that currently do nonsensical stuff when you talk to them.

And only some of them eventually might get Better, but the others probably won't. But apple just has one brand and they say it's theory. Theory is everything when you talk to apple stuff and that is not the way things are.

So yeah, I mean, at this point, they just really need that. The apple intelligence announcement was like they have a good idea. You know, the way they are approaching IT makes sense to me to listen to when we talk about that intelligence.

I think there they are approach to using uh L M technology to. Their products make sense. They just need to do IT and now just waiting around for them to do IT. And the things they release so far, like I said, not super compelling to me. I mean, it's not they're bad like they do what they're more liability to do the way we expect for them to do them, but they're not particularly compelling.

But I talk to my devices all the time and when they don't listen to me do something that I think is not correct, I think to myself, this could be Better and that would be a material improvement. So I am waiting patiently to see what this is like. But meanwhile, just like we were talking about I iphone seventeen, we were waiting for the iphone sixteen come out. Apparently I were just talking about I S I L M siri while we were waiting for the eighteen want to come out.

It's so big. I really, I don't love when one of us, and he could be any of us calls for, you know, like a fire or something like that. Who do? Who would? But one of everybody would certain that.

But I am not saying that somebody should be fired, but I am saying something is fundamentally broken. Either apple is just incapable of this, but I don't think is the case. I really don't.

Or there's some political infighting that is prevented forward progress but like apple keeps trying to make theory happen. And IT hasn't happened yet. I mean, IT was twenty eleven when siri depute.

That's two years before ATP. That's three years before decline. Like IT has been a long time and they still can't get a right. They still can't get a right. And I just I don't understand I just don't understand like IT is getting Better in little, little bit here, a little little bit there.

But IT sure seems like everything around IT is now to your collective points, is now getting Better in leaves and bounds and where all the other lilly assistance are running. Theory is at best at a mildly Price walk and it's just it's not IT was IT hasn't been enough for at least five years, probably ten, but it's certainly not enough now. And to say, oh, we got you and eighteen months come on, figure out a Better way, figure out a Better way.

I OK of the acquisition if you have to fire the whole the team. That's not actually what I am advocating, but i'm fired up about IT IT. Just do something apple and do something and do IT so that we can see, don't promise something, don't open the commode and tell us so was gonna. Get Better, just free and do something, do something.

So let me, for the first time ever, be the voice of reason on this.

Please, yes, please. This is a fun change of a change of rules for you.

Me, I know. right. So I think tim coach keep is a job I don't not for this though. Um so we heard like rumblings here and there. There's been making the reports from the information and from our governments over over the last couple years that basically there was this project to remake theory to in in IT with a whole different approaches to how they were doing the language processing possible with them to think, but I think that actually predates com um craze. And apparently the story was that the group that had, like the new build theory, they like lost the battle internally, and that they instead decided to keep the album going and just keep working on instead.

I wasn't the reasoning, by the way, wasn't the reasoning kind of like A I movie aor final cut t pro ten kind of reasoning, which is based like the new stuff looks great, but you would be dropped because the new stuff is new. IT doesn't have all the same features as the old ones.

So we had to explain to our customers that you know, for the past x years, you've been able to ask theory to do with these things, but now you can't any more if you replace that with a new and improved one that doesn't have all the features of the old one. I seem to recall that being part of the decision making, which is always the way IT is like inside the company, when someone's got a new idea for a technology or whatever, it's very often difficult to sell IT if IT doesn't do literally everything that the old one did. And apple has gone against that a few times in the past, like final cut or or whatever move version I movie that they replaced the old one with.

Remember, they shipped the both the old and the new version of I movie for a while to avoid this problem, to say we have a new structure for how we think I movie should work. IT doesn't do all the things the old wounded, but we still think it's such a good idea that we're gonna the new one and the old one so you can keep using the old one. And in the meantime, we'll try to build the new and up to match the feature set.

Uh or they going to do with that with photos in the mac, which is make a new version that doesn't have the features is the problem and say, tough luck, the old features are gone up. But in the case of theory, the rumor was, I think that the the new folks said we have a new approach to theory and it's Better. But IT doesn't do literally every single thing the album did. And that's enough for the people who are against IT to kill IT and say, well, do we want to explain to our customers why our voices system just got less capable?

Yeah I don't to be fair, I don't know if we actually had that level of information on, but I I believe that was part of the like the gist of the rumors or anyway. So there was that that pret pretty firm rumor a couple years back, the basically syria was going to be rewritten. The project lost the battle internally, and they kept the existing one.

Now separately from that, apple intelligence happens seemingly, and that that seem to be unrelated to to the reporting on that whole theory drum with me to proceed IT. Um so it's possible that maybe they for this kind of first iteration of apple intelligence that is this year, maybe they figured out some some quick ways to bolt the l EMS onto the old theory. But that may be the much Better approaches that they are working on for a year and a time from now.

Whatever is that is a new theory. So I think IT that narrative, if true, I think is very plausible and would would kind of explain the timeline. Now the second aspect of that, though, is that the whole reason they have all this time, and they can take their sweet as time, and they can ship theory that sucks for so long, is because they are allow competition on a technical level.

And IOS for the voice system like this is what happened, that like this is the downside. Know what we've seen for a very long time is that when apple has a lot of strong competition, they get their act together usually and compete well. They can do amazing things.

When they can somehow preclude competition from happening, they get complacent and they don't do that well. Uh, what they put out might not be the best of the best in class. And I think what we see now is on I O S, it's so locked down, it's so, you know, it's so impossible for anybody to compete with them in certain areas.

And the voice system is one of those as ChatGPT. And all the other ones have been coming up over the last couple of years. If they if there was an A, P, I for them to replace theory, they would have destroyed theory.

By now. We wouldn't even be talking about syria. More is none of us would be using IT for anything, because there will be some kind of plug in .

architecture instead of the no money changes hands deal. Where a ChatGPT is integrated into the is, I think, what? And as a stop gap.

And now you're talking about competition on I O S, which is actually very relevant. But of course, there is actually competition on android with its voice things which tend to be doing Better than apples. But I google doing exactly the same thing uh and trying to keep as much competition away from their build invoices system as well. But yeah but at least fell enough pressure to say and we're parting, which hgb t and if our thing craps out, you can say, give up and check at the ChatGPT, which not a great.

So this right? But but because nobody can completely, because ChatGPT couldn't make an APP to officially replace theory, look at how many of our like nerds and our power user friends have used the action button on our iphone fifteen to sixteenth to just open chat.

G, G, P, T, like, how many times have you asked ChatGPT a question that I would have been nicer if you could have used a voice hail command freely on your phone, or held down a button or whatever to do IT. Like there is a reason that is ChatGPT for a lot of things, is simply Better. And if I had the ability to integrate with things the way apple intelligence and theory do, IT could be even Better.

And I have no doubt that apple would have a butt hand to IT, and theory would be even more marginalized among power users as safari is because we know from chrome users. But instead, apple does not have to compete in this area. They have technically foreclosed competition. Yeah.

apple dictates the terms that you're gonna a ChatGPT it's a third party APP. Or when you integrate with apples, one thing apple thing comes first and then ChatGPT only with the gug after yet a year.

And as a result, apple does not have to compete very well in the area of voice assistance. And I don't know if it's directly because of that, but the reality of that and effective of that is that because they don't have to compete, they don't compete very well. They are taking their sweet time.

They totally missed the LLM revolution. They're coming to IT late and they're coming to IT on kind of a slow time line, kind of dipping their feeding slowly. And IT does seem like that is given them some, some advantages in the sense they're able to do things in like a more thought out way.

They're able to be a little bit more careful how to do. They're doing certain things in a more privacy focused way than everyone else is doing. But the reality is they they don't really have a fire at under their buts because they don't have to compete.

And whether if IOS was not as locked down as IT was, they would actually have a competition here and they would work harder and faster and probably produce Better output. So this is one of those areas where IT is actually Better for both apple and apple's customers, for them to be less locked down because that creates fewer areas that they will for closed competition and get complacent and lazy and and deliver half as. And siri for its entire lifetime, calling IT half asked to be a generous compliment.

IT is IT is quarter asked at best and way less than that. In reality, IT has been a really rough, unreliable, untrustful product for its entire life span. And maybe if there was easier competition, that area, maybe they would they would actually make a Better, faster.

Sounds like there was a great job opening for you in the european commission because I can take you with you every part of the Operating system that apples integrated would benefit from competition. You should build, replace the photos up, the voice system, the web brows are all that stuff, should not default, should be plugged in.

The european commission is trying very hard to make that happen across not just apple spot forms with facebook platform, google platform and all those platforms. So yeah, they've got the same idea. I will see if their remedy end up uh, going in that direction or not um but ah in the meantime, like the half serious solution you described that I techne ils about know when they promised, they promised a Better theory in I O S eighteen point for whatever their target was back when they talked about dc.

And we all just assume our intelligence Better theory, we just, we read between the lines and we say, L, M, I don't know, apple set explicit, perfect and as we discuss eight before even apple and was released, the idea of having an L M, you speak to something, the L M. Interprets what you say. And the L M has been trained on the seventy five things that siri can do and the precise way you have to word IT to make them work.

And that's what your alm does. IT takes whatever bs you say, translates IT to a command that syria will understand and makes IT do IT. And that would make theory way Better, because syria can actually do a lot of things, but is incredibly frustrating when you talk to IT and like a it's it's not as bad a taxi adventure where it's like he doesn't understand your sentence entirely but IT thinks that understand that does something totally off the wall like here's example, I just uh send to more and most recently, it's an apple T V one.

The apple v one are usually the best. And IT shows the text that I understood from the user. And the text was, let's watch family guy.

Perfectly valid sentence. You can see what I understood. There's no like I didn't miss hear a word or pick up a word that sounds the same but is spelled differently.

Let's watched family guy. They're talking to their television set the response from the thing on apple TV, which uses siri logo, which may may not actually be called on, quote, real theory. Uh, this is what apple D.

V said. If you think you could be serious, ask me to call emergency services or someone you trust. That was a response to let's watch family guy and I looked to let's watch family.

I like what how like IT doesn't even make any sense. Like is there? It's not just, I don't, I don't know, I don't know.

Let's watch family guy, do you want me to go? Emergency services? I mean, maybe I and I having a stroke. I don't know this. That is ever an am can help.

I know the apple TV knows how to find a show based on and even capitalized family a capital capital gy. IT knows it's a proper now I bet you can find that as A T V show somewhere and start playing IT because it's A T V, and that's what IT does. And instead IT offers to call families.

So merge service yeah like half an element front of theory, treating theory as like like a lot of the old street, like calculators or other sort of things. That would be great. Uh, a full fledge L M. Theory might be a disaster because I could start doing even more ridiculous things that apple has less way to control IT.

But we're just all out here using the plane all dump s theory uh, that we don't even know the same theory everywhere and we're just looking for relief and this is kind of unfair to be like, oh, rumors about a future thing. You're making me feel worse that I don't have the current thing, but it's a little bit osborn effect and it's a little bit I mean, there is always going to be a Better version of everything, right? But I I for me, I maybe i'm getting hung up in this, but like active things called L M.

Syrian internally, maybe that's what the IOS eighteen one is called. Two government has never precisely these rumors. But IT really does make me sad to think that the thing i've been waiting so patiently for somewhere around the midpoint of the level I O S eighteen IT seems like abbott self already doesn't have that much confidence that IT is the the the thing that we all hope it's gonna be.

But we'll see. I mean, i'm i'm willing to keep him over mind and try IT when IT comes up. In the meantime, i'll just to enjoy those snacks.

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tp in Andrew hodgson rites. Is there a way to get the performance course to spend up when doing Normal activities like final management spread sheet at an everything and set I am for pro mac mini can never seem to get them going, and I didn't know if there is a way to tell the system, tell the system to make use of them, rather than just stick with the efficiency course. Others SE IT seems a bit of a waste of those extra course.

I didn't wonder if the hypotheses, power options and settings, energy might have an impact, or if there was some other setters that could be tweet. Maybe the answers that the airport approach is simply overkill for these types of tasks. I think that is the answer, but I don't know. Tell me i'm wrong.

So some of the tasks, especially things like a file management, you're going to most of your time waiting for I O. So having a faster CPU is not going to impact things because that's not the the bottle um high powerful is interesting. It's a feature that I interesting couple years ago, I think, and the spreading to more max, I think the next man he's got IT as well.

Uh, but I believe all that basically is is a different fan curve, which is uh a way of saying like uh, at a given for a given set of inputs from temperature sensor is what should the output fans speed to be be on all the fans and you could grab occur r of in in old school simple scenario, there was one thing that had a temperature and one thing and one fan. Obviously modern max are more complicated than that. Someone stolen at one fan, but anyway， uh high parameter my understanding is that just makes the fans go higher R P, M sooner.

So makes your magnesia IT blows more airport at. And the theory is that that will allow your the things that get hot to sustain their maximum output for a longer period of time because you're not waiting of them to get hot, you're sort of proactively cooling in them. My blowing more and more air on them, that ideal high power mode doesn't change as far as I know anything having to do with what scheduled on what kind, of course, inside your mac.

That's another thing you don't control we talk about before. We're trying to speed up jobs um uh like five compression and stuff uh, when software runs whatever job is going to run, there are tools that IT has to a indicate what IT thinks the priority should be. This is a high priority thing that the computer should do S A P.

Or is a low priority thing that I should do just want to ever get around to IT. A lot of that prioritization affects what course things will be scheduled on background processes, said the low priority will run on the efficiency. Course foreground processes that need lots of fancy computing that are said to be the highest possible priority may run on the performance scores.

But across for Andrews, are you waiting around for your computer to do things like what thing are you waiting for when you're doing file management spread s sus in internet browsing? Are you toiling your thumbs and saying, come on, come on, page load if that's happening IT almost certainly isn't because you are CPU bound. It's probably your network connection or is I O with the file system or something else like IT would take some pretty sophisticated performance analysis to figure out what is the bottle like that is making you wait for something if you're staring IT, you're ice that men using them and you're annoyed because the power course aren't used, but you're not waiting for anything.

Don't be annoyed. It's are using the appropriate resources is for you is saving your battery life, is reducing your power usage, is reducing the heat. Uh, it's you know just because it's not using the power core is not a reason to complain about.

Now if you have something you're waiting for in your shirt C, P, U, pound that it's not using the power corse. I would talk to the development of that program. but.

That's not something that you as the user have control over. Um I don't think there's any tool out there where you can say like shuttle everything to the power course to ignore the efficiency course. And honestly, I don't think you would want to do that.

IT would produce more heat. IT would probably go slower because you have lots of things running in parallel. You want to use the sufficiency and apples efficiency is are there more efficient than the power course? But they're good course too. So don't work about that too much, the good course, briton.

And keep in mind also, so one thing that you might see um if you if you're watching a tool like guys that menu here, if you're watching activity monitor, if you're watching your CPU usage between the course, you might notice that some one or two of the efficiency course might be maxed out like all the time doing something like photo indexing or spotted indexing or whatever else um that is not a sign that you need to somehow can convince those tasks to run on the performance course.

Basically, macos has been seemingly tweet since epsilon, an era to to let certain background tasks basically do whatever they want as long as they do them on the efficiently course because the efficiency are so much less power consuming than the performer cores that you can basically run a couple of them like for free almost all the time, and not even notice a hit to battery or an increase in heat like there. There's so power efficient that macos therefore lets things like photo indexing, whatever, just max out one of them forever as long as he wants to. And if you ever actually you need that power for something else, usually these things are prioritized such that other, other processes can take priority if they always also need a burst of everything you've got. But for the most part, if you see efficiency cores next themselves out for a long time, that's Normal.

Don't you don't you know how to worry about and a photo stuff. It's, you know, like I said, the sofa, if you think there's something you're waiting for and you wish you would use the power cord k to the developer, which is why I have tried to talk apple through my podcast and say, apple, give me a giant button. And this, as do photo analysis.

Now using all my resources, apple has not provided that. Instead, they're using background jobs that, you know run whenever they feel like IT. When the system thinks that the resources are available, they run an efficiency cores and they don't use all the resources and hate IT.

Uh, that is a software problem, is apple's photos application. Could uh you or their photos, the man could have a giant button that says, do face recognition now? Do just on this individual single photo use all the resources in the system? That button doesn't exist, but it's not the fault of macos macro s is just be doing what it's told by the applications and the applications are saying two four analysis on the background on an efficiency or its fine, uh, and most of the time that what you want, but sometimes you just want to do IT now. And I really hope they .

provide that button someday. My money and I need you now. Alright, James will be right.

Why are apps seemingly ballooning in size? I would just a few APP update sizes recently, and it's not uncommon to find apps that between three hundred and five hundred meter bites are even beyond tesla and the unified network APP. Or my examples.

Why is this is just a load of assets or is IT just a load of baggage along for the ride? IT could be either, but generally speaking, isn't IT like analytics trainee ks and stuff like that like crh lights, I think is huge. And i'm trying to think of some of the other ones. Firebase maybe like aren't those typically .

quite large? I mean, the actual code is not that large. Now code, keep in mind that the the modern code culture is, if you need one thing, like one little functioning one, you know, piece of functionality from a piece of code, you import an entire library, an entire framework, possibly an entire services built in frame ks. And you don't even look at what he does to your project.

That is, the modern coding culture in in every way, in web programing and application programing, global everything, everyone has this kind of framework, itis and library ideas of, just like I need like that, that joke about the is even function in javascript, like yeah or an entire library for that, like what I didn't see if I can just have that function by itself, that applies at every scale. So you have you do have huge amounts of code. You have duplication within code, especially for larger companies.

You might have like you a large company's APP. Suppose they need library to like you know pass. You are else out of strange or whatever. Their APP might have ten different functions to do that because just out of sheer scale like that, they have hundreds of people working on the APP. And at different times, different people have had a different versions of that same thing in different ways.

So code size is bigger these days by a lot and a lot I just just do to this this kind of culture of anything you need, just import some frames or library and don't even look at how they could is don't even care and definitely don't try to write IT yourself for copy. I just that function. no.

So anyway, there's that. But also the assets tend to be way bigger than than you might think. Um because again, like if you are suppose you're you're writing a library that offer some kind of some kind of U I. Well, if you have any images in that U I, then that libraries is going to include every single image that might ever be display on that screen, could include impossibly different designs to different resolutions, different color schemes, light and dark mode. Like, there are so many different versions of all those things.

And yes, you can, if you try to keep things small and simple, you can like use some basic vectors or you have like a like a svg or PDF version of your icon that you just rendered in different colors or different context. You can do that. But ultimately be the reason why nobody does that, except people like me who always stay time doing IT.

Um the reason I know what else does that is because there is no incentive whatsoever to make APP small these days. none. I can tell you this, as somebody who has a very small APP, no one cares and nobody is going to pick your small APP over your competitors.

Three hundred, about APP. No cause that that isn't how people choose APP these days. So IT is possible to make smaller apps, but there is no incentive to. So everyone just gna get sloppy and lazy and doesn't really care.

And obviously, ly, for things like games, the assets are a problem. Uh, you know they just the the amount of textures you have and all the very third data and everything out like I just IT adds up your fast. Uh, and the general approach is, like you said, to package of everything that your APP is going to need, a apple TV prevents that.

And it's one of the reasons game developers dislike IT because people just want to package up everything, all the images, all the different things, all the things that the demo video sound like, stuff that could potentially be downloads like just pack IT, all the APP. So the code size is bigger, the asset size is bigger and the the motivation is to just package at all in there. Um and sometimes there's even repetition of assets depending on how you are you know folding things in, you might have the same asset in their multiple times and having something that d duplicate assets across different frameworks is a big pain.

Um and yeah just the size is just keep going up. Um I was I was in uh messing with windows when I was trying to do the like of stuff and one of the the things I mess with out them. And there as I downal the latest version on real entry, and I like to look at there, a little demons to see how the engine is advancing.

Five, five, five just came out as a much of new features like I want to you know let me find some of the cool demos my old five point no demo no longer worked fine or download five point five version of that. It's just like a demo showing you there are various you know features for textural large landscapes and dynamic lighting and stuff like that. Uh and the demo was one .

hundred big bites oh my word.

yeah it's pretty big. Uh unreligious itself, you know seem small in comparison, right? Few hundred mags, uh, gig even whatever and the the file and this is not this not a game.

This is just a demo thing showing a bunch of features of the engine. Uh, then I updated, I had enough to the latest version of vice way. I was actually proved this.

But I have old migration fice in later twenty twenty I think IT that itself is hundred uh over one hundred gig bites. Um and when they needed to updated and need to redowa load a substantial portion of that, uh things are big. That's one of the advances of the new version of flight simulation twenty twenty four is that a dynamically stream is a bunch of stuff.

So the downloaded can be smaller. Uh, it's still very large, but uh, they're making progress there. So I think there is a breaking point. Uh, but I O S apps are not a hundred years by each unless there are really, really big game. But yeah， they just then apps, individual apps being five hundred.

Regret is one of the reasons that apple rolled out that feature years ago that says, like do you want us to basically remove apps that you haven't used in a long time? We'll leave the icons on your screen, but they get like a cloud icon or whatever next to them, right? We will leave the icon there if you ever want to launch you or download IT.

But just like I don't know you know this, but like you know couple thousand thousand five hundred and meg by apps like here and there starts to get up your fast and all sudden a lot of your phone storage is taking up with the upset you never launch. That wouldn't matter if every single lap was twenty mags, but if they're in the hundreds of gabies each and you've got eleven pages of those apps for fall ders, yeah I can be taking up on a room. So yeah, I mean, it's kind of a pill battle things to get bigger over time.

That's generally one of the reasons we make Better computers. Uh, I don't think there is any sense in trying to hold the line on application size because we do what. Better fancy your assets.

Better fancy your libraries now with them, uh, with people having models inside their applications or even a theyr dynamically downloaded, even apple itself does IT for the first time you to clean up feature IT will say downloading clean up. It's downloading a model and that model is big. And they didn't want to make IT part of the I O A T distribution for whatever reason.

They wanted to be a separate download babies so they can updated independently. But anyway, it's big. Uh, every one of these mile things is big. They take a lots of memory and they take a lots of this space.

And if every APP has two or three different models plus the OS its models, it's just making the apps figure so yeah um more point stands. If developers care, they can do a lot to make things smaller. But in general, over the entire history of computing, the apps just get bigger and will continue to do so.

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Oh, thanksgiving driving is gonna happen and i'm not looking forward to this. Yeah, there are a lot of adventure to living on long island. Um many things are easy, way easier than the beach and even easier than many of the places i've lived.

Um you know everything is an easy drive away there. All the roads are wide and the parking lots are huge just you know american suburbia done to the max. But you know certain things, you're still walkable and small. It's pretty it's pretty great.

All the one problem about living online out is similar to a problem living in brooklin um is that is greater long as you never have to leave but leaving long island is unpleasant not because like you just miss you so badly no um because you have to go through the new york city surrounding metro area to get out of line island. Wow, is that unpleasant? So I in a couple of days i'm going to have something like a six hour drive, the first two and a half of which will be going .

like forty miles no, thank you.

You get just have a helicopter. Are you going to get your relatives to move northern east so you can take a boat off the island, which is less traffic?

There are many things that I joke about. I will never want to buy your own. And then I end up by them, them, uh, and you make one of me and that's fair. I still have had zero temptation to own a boat.

You must get your own body, take a ferry with that. You can drive your car on you, but doesn't help you because your relatives are not didn't connect gate or road island or mess. So you're gone the wrong way.

Yeah, it's not going to be fun. I know i've probably share this numerous times. My very limited memory of driving on one island was leaving. And is the guardian island know yek? They are both on the island.

Okay, is planning a room?

I don't know why they wouldn't put them out there.

Yeah, right. Well, so leaving laguardia, I remember I don't member the specifics, but I remember you needed to follow cinna's. This was twenty years ago. Now we had to follow signage that seemed like IT was heading deeper into long island in order to actually exit long island, the way I wanted you to get to western connect cut.

And so I needed to like, i'm making the shop, but I needed to go like east bound for, like for the first road or two in order to actually end up going north bound or something like that. He was ridiculous. And then I remember enough, told the storm many times in the show.

I remember going to john speech to see a concert. And that was the most utterly bananas set of roads that I needed to take together muster can to get to john's speech, including popping off the interstate and a highway, popping off the highway and then going through like a freaking neighborhood to get on the next highway. IT was insanity. And and that, apparently, my understanding is that that's just long island .

yet lucky is easy public transportation to both the airports. There's no problems take that and you won't have to drive.

thanks. I am really does is dirty on that one, but I don't envy so how many charging stops you're expecting to make?

Thirteen, ideally zero. You can you .

can make IT the whole way.

yes, but I can't make IT there and back. But I can usually charge at my lost place. I'm just overnight like that out of a circular sallet they have in their barn. So I have like I run a giant like thirty emp extension cable like out there barn in which .

ways like fifty pounds oh yeah.

it's it's like thicker than a garden hoose it's a whole thing. Uh, but IT does. I've done that for years. I know back when I had the test, I did that to and uh IT IT does work you know I can charge a whole E V like roughly overnight ah which is fine.

A lot of driving. I don't miss that part of my parents being in connect, kate like because we've been down here in the genius since just for decline borne in, generally speaking, that's very convenient. And I and I prefer IT. I don't I don't love that I no longer have an excuse to go to the new ork metro area. I don't like that.

We don't have a cheap as which is to say free place to stay in one metro north right away from manhattan, but nevertheless not having to drive eight, eight to ten hours to get to and from connect cate for holidays. I I am not complaining about not having to do that. We will wake up.

I think we going to go wednesday afternoon and we will drive a some total of maybe fifty minutes of their traffic ticket to my parents. It'll be good. Lorus john, what do you do in for the whole day? So one of you two to .

think you're going to start hosting your own thanks giving so that just never going happen IT .

does from time to time with us. But it's not common coincidently at the gears, going to be cooking most of thanksgiving at my parents because my mom, for all over wonderful qualities, is not a lar Stellar cook. And iron is so she's been conscripted, enlisted, whatever we're i'm looking for um in order to do a lot of the cooking at moms, mom and dads. But we've done thinking in our house from time to time. But IT is not come.

I have just been home ah I don't like traveling, I don't like travel and all the day definitely don't like traveling for thing is giving um if such a bad holiday especially would like the school schedules because schools don't give kids that much time off. So if you you are trying to like go, we will just you know we will travel for thankful ving, but will try to travel on od days.

You're basically end up having to play your kids out of school or have the most days on either side of the wise travel in the whole rest the world was traveling and it's miserable. So and whether you're driving or flying or doing anything is just miserable. So yeah, thanksgiving at home in new england is over wear.

I envy that so much ah you .

envy that until you have to cook and clean up everything because that is the part that comes along with that as you don't get the shop somewhere and then someone .

to see for honestly. So I actually did host thanksgiving years ago. Um this was before A T V S like two thousand six or so I had messed up my back. And so i've been advised by a doctor not to take long car rides for a little while as I yeah as I slowly fixed my back and and so my family all came to me and I hosted thanks, giving in a little like five hundred square food apartment, like a one bedroom apartment. I hosted my entire family.

And my little like, you know that like that rectangular, wouldn't I key a table that everyone had? Because IT came as a set with the table and four chairs for a hundred buck. I that I hope things giving on that little table like we just made IT work. You know, we like had some people sit like at the counter and IT IT was fine. And honestly, that was one of the best and gives we ever had IT was great.

It's funny because I think my best holiday travel experience of all time, I don't remember what year was. He was also before ATP. But whatever reason and and I traveled on Christmas morning, which was very unusual for us.

And typically, we would tell our families like, you know, if if my side has thanksgiving and her side has Christmas and that's that and this is when mom and ever was still connected. Cate, and we left richmond on this morning relatively early, but not uncertainly. So and IT is not like what mark is dealing with.

I'm not saying my troubles were as bad as marcos. Are you getting off of one island? But for us to get to western connect, kate, we basically took ninety five the whole way up, including through every major city on the eastern sea board from here to there.

So you would go through dc, which is always a nightmare. You would go through baltimore, which was usually OK philadephia the whole of new jersey manhadoes eeta. And on Christmas morning that year, I think we might have made what is typically between an eight and ten hour drive in like six, six and a half hours or something like that because nobody was on the road.

And I was amazing. IT worked so well. And I think we would genuinely think about doing that all the time if we thought to make those ones to connect. Cate IT IT was so great. Ah, man, that was the best.