616: I Have No Grippers
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I've been having A A bit of of uh, confusing couple of weeks, uh, with my eyes.

Oh no, oh no. So it's .

something bad. This is like compare to know the reality that most people live with, with any kind of you eye correction. This is nothing going to find .

somebody to blame this on the vision pro.

No.

given time, john.

time draw for one day.

No, I just so I as a discuss I think like a year ago I said I was trying different reading glasses and I tried like some progressives from the internet, my lack of close distance focus now with my forties press bio, bio, whatever that is called is annoying enough in my life now that whenever I am wearing reading glasses and I see like my phone or my watch oh man, that's so good why can't little time so i've tried you know progressives um which know for those who don't know it's kind of doing what bifocals used to do, but where you don't see the line that that differentiates between like the bottom part of magnifies and the top part that doesn't or just kind of a smooth transition, uh, which results in lots of audits.

And so anyway, I decided like about a month, guy decided let me actually like, since it's knowing enough now my life not able to see sharp things, very know up close, let me try to actually give progressives a real shot, not get like internet ones, or I measured my face with an APP and hope for the best, but actually go to a real eyeglasses place that sells the best. Progressives, which I I gathered through research, are the ice individual, whatever whatever wants, always like, like a nice optick in the city that was like anzio, like best recommended list, and got really nice frames and touch you to the experts there. They work with the stuff all the time.

Like, yeah, this is what you want. So anyway, i've been trying to wear progressives for long spans, like not just while city at my desk, but like while walking around, doing stuff around the house, walking around the city, doing stuff like I am not wearing them while driving or on the computer because I don't need them for those distances. But kind of, you know, while doing, like general purpose stuff, you know, while eating dinner is so nice able to see my food really sharply or like at restaurant people to read the menu really sharply in low light, like that's all really nice. And so i'm been trying.

And you know what? You know what's great about progressives? They let you see far and close. Anyone you don't say.

you know.

what's not create about progressives, everything else, everything else. Oh my god.

like you like seeing the world look like yellow progressive ves may be for you.

Tell me more about this because I my eyes are such crap that I have to wear hard contacts.

Just about the fun mirror .

is like it's well, the problem with progressives is that in order to have magnification of the bottom, and in my case, no correction at the top, but you what whatever your correction is at the in order to have that you a transition between two different optical characteristics, there has to be some like transitional zones, where there are some degree of warping of the image.

Now, the really good progressives, like I can tell between between, like my internet ones and my fancy ice ones. Now these ice ones are Better, like their blurry zones are much smaller. There is much less distortion.

IT is the best type of progressive i've seen so far. However, there is still some warming, especially like what they warned me was, don't like run up stairs s really quickly. Like, what does that mean? I found that immediate air.

why? Because the problem with with reading glasses know any kind of mandible er is when you look at something through the mandible ation part, you can see close things really sharply. But anything that's not close IT looks not only blurry but it's also your you're altering your perception of distance slightly because it's just madison ying.

So things that are far away appear at the wrong distance compared to where they actually are. And so the result this is a progressive since the bottom of the magnify ed stuff and you look down at your own feet there in the magic ation zone, not the nothing in zone. So you looked down on your own feet, and you and your feet are both blurry and they appear like further air than they really are.

So the result is it's really easy to trip on stuff because you don't know where your feet are. So anyway, I don't know what i'm supposed to be doing to solve this problem. If listeners in order to solve needing a very I I have a plus one reading prescription and no other optical correction needed, is there a Better solution than progressive glasses?

Just why I just use reading glasses.

I I have them everywhere. They're fine. But like the problems really classes .

is that you can always have them on.

And next I still have two more dying to wear one of those like i'm just, i'm too. I can't, I can't do that. I just, I can.

you can do what I do. So I, I hate progressive so much that i've fighting against until I can't anymore. And right now I still can. And I have two parents of glasses. I have what I call my driving glasses.

which talked about.

can I remember? yeah. And then I have my around the house glasses, which I use for using the computer. I'm lucky enough that I don't need any glasses to use my phone because my life decision is good.

But the point is, I have two parts of glasses, and how do I handler? I just wear my non driving glasses all the time around the house. And any time i'll leave the house, I wear my driving glasses. And that's my solution that literally always on my face, something is always on my face.

I don't mind like if there if that's why I try press like if there is one kind of eyeglasses that I could just wear all the time and correct close and far, i'm willing to do that. The problem is that's not apparently they aren't ly be possible without them being progressed, which has a bunch of the trade ffs.

But that's that's not what i'm doing. When I in the house and wearing my in the house classes, I cannot see distance. Well, right? I'm so i'm making that sacrifice because most things aren't too far away from me and house, right? I I and I wear my driving glasses when I watch T V. T V is too far away from me to see although it's show that I don't care about maybe all to see closer whatever.

But yeah, you're basically what you're deciding is what distances do I really need to see stuff at? And for me, uh, I need to see my computer and when I walk around my house, I need to see stuff that, you know you feed in front of me, but I know what in my eyes it's fine, right? So you should just get whatever glasses that you feel comfortable using your phone in your computer with, get a party glasses that does that and just wear them all day in the house. And yeah, that means that stuff that far away from you in your house, i'll be blurry. But so what .

I don't think that's possibly I I don't I I mean, so the problem with reading glasses is that the the dept, the field, so to speak, like how much distance from you is in focus is not that much. It's only maybe a few feet that's actually really in for your eyes aren't fix vocal.

Link the question stretch to let you focus on things at different distance. Ces, so it's just a question. As you get older, your eyes get your lens S S get stiffer and less shy and you can square them as much.

But you've got some square left in your lens s there. So you, you know, how much can you squish about feeling ice train? I bet you can squish from phone distance to computer screen distance with the correct prescription.

That's where you go. The adult for you say, a doctor, I want to be able to see my phone and my computer screen. And my computer screen is this far away from me, and my phone is this far away from me. And I want to have to do that comfortable ly with my current ice wishing ability.

It's so fruit because, like right now, my computer screen is now, whatever you have for me, perfectly sharp. I like, no, no glass is needed for me to see computer right now. I mean that maybe in a few more years that that might change.

But like right now, if I hold my ARM out, everything more than like wrist distance away is perfectly sharp. It's just like when i'm holding my phone, are looking at something closer that is not and it's it's very frustrated. There seems to be no correction.

My vision is basically the opposite of yours. For me, everything from like uh the the tip of my nose to about a foot half away, a sharp and then everything else is boring.

Yes, i'm basically the same without contacts and although I I think my rangers considerable less than yours, but saying basic idea. Genuine question, marco, i'm not trying to roll you what's wrong with bifocals? I've never tried them.

Maybe their garbage. I have no idea. Would that not solve the like fun house mirror problem?

Onest I haven't tried them yet. I I just kind of assume that I am too Young to be seen wearing by focal.

That's fair. okay. So maybe the social angle is enough to discrete you from them, which i'm with you. I get IT. But I wonder if maybe that would be a Better solution and maybe you'd end up enjoying the more .

he doesn't need bifocals, he needs those ones that are like the bottom part .

of bifocals only yeah yeah like those like half readers like i've seen those .

yeah so then you .

like major Frank and whatever yeah I think i'm also I think i'm both too Young for those and also I live two hundred years too far in the future from that.

The whole clear part of the lens is doing that from for you just eliminate that parts you've got got your little reader, your Benjamin Franklin. Er half moons are hanging off the end your nose and everything else is straight throw.

We are all waiting for more foot football fall up, especially marko.

You know, I saw a football, uh, game. You did.

I did. Well, I hope for your sake he wasn't the giants because holly crapper, we terrible.

No, IT was the texas versus other texas college game.

Oh, you watched college football. why?

We were visiting friends and and they are, they are from one of the texas is and wanted to see a beat. The other .

texas d were they A M or or were they, uh, university texas long horns fans.

They were our friends of the long hours .

fans okay I don't actually have a horse in this race but having lived in Austin for couple years as all right sorry took me a second joke was Better than I have you created for um anyways I don't have a cow nor horse in this race, but I spent a couple years in Austin as a middle school and I did not understand really what college was at that point. But I knew more than anything in the world that the eye socked and the longing ns were the only team that mattered. Didn't know what that meant.

but I knew IT IT took me a half way through the game before I finally asked my friend, why is that team called the yankee? That doesn't make any sense. And then I was just hearing them, say, ages the hole I like, oh, that that makes way more sense for a team from texas say.

okay ah yeah no i'm very proud of you for watching some cultural ball that that makes me very happy because I enjoy me some culture oot ball and if you don't, that's fine. But I called football but I don't enjoy these days. There was new ork, foobar china, because, god, this sucks so bad.

And they played on thanksgiving and and IT was got IT was terrible. They lost the cowboys who was group's team. I feel like amErica wins when the cowboy is lose.

But amErica did not win on thanksgiving because cowboys one, it's at times. But here we are. But the problem, the other problem with the giants playing on thanksgiving is that I was nationally televised. So my whole big contraption that i've set up for myself, um IT didn't do me any good because the game was televised literally than the entire nation. But this coming sunday, I believe they play on box.

I won a clock, if i'm not mistaken and and so hopefully will will put my APP aratus to use, which are the reason numbering all this up is because I was reminded by john for shati about a checkbox, a very important checkbox in the channels, dvr server APP, that I completely forgot about. So I told you, where we left our hero last week was that I attempted to get TV everywhere, logged in through my friends spectrum accounts. I don't have his credentials.

He just looked into IT on my server. And I didn't get any the local channels and was really bombed about that because that was the whole point of this was we started with antenna specifically, because I want is the local channels. I don't want I don't think he gets H, B.

R. Or anything like that. I'm not looking to get H B R or anything like that.

I just want the local channels. Then tried to suck IT in via TV everywhere. And IT didn't work, and I was very sad.

And then john wrote to say, way to second, did you check the following checkbox? Local networks via TV everywhere. Some major metropolitan area offer access tabs, cvs and pox stations via TV everywhere.

And IT was unchecked. And then I checked IT, and guess what, came in local network to be a TV everywhere. So I now have hypothetical in theater al access to um all of these via channels, via TV everywhere. So i'm very much looking forward to giving this a shot on sunday I will report in which with what will hopefully be the final bit of football related follow up next week.

Is this still the device that in your front house and connective that is running channels? And that's why when you check the check box in his house, then he can get A, B, C, C, B S. And yes.

I mean, hypothetically, if he were willing to password chair, which I didn't ask him to do, to give give me password or anything like that, I literally told him, look, the computer sitting in your network, just a log go into this world and just in log into your it's basically I can know off dance and you log into your cable provider if you mind and then i'll be able to sort down um stuff via TV everywhere on occasion. But again, like I hypothetically, I could just cancel my cable submarine tion, but i'm genuinely not looking to do that. This isn't about about saving money by well, it's kind of saving money by cheeking system.

but i'm not trying on that's definitely what it's about.

I'm not trying to cheat like verizon or anything like that. I just want to be able to see things that I can't see locally. And so yes, so he loved into change.

He got on the channels web configuration, or if you will, logged into spectrum using his credentials. I never saw them. I don't think channels strickly speaking, ever saw them.

And then that now it's all enabled on the server in his house. And then my server will through some channels, magic will talk to his sit well, it's really both of them are mind servers. But for the sake of discussion, my server will talk to the remote server.

Maybe that's a Better way of crashing IT and that when they'll cascade those channels down or those those put the programing down to me, unrelated all that now we talked last week about what we've been talking regularly about apple vision pro immersive content. And I was very sad that I couldn't come up with some sort of bs homework assignment from macco to have to oblige to this week. So my apologies to do marco. I'm sure you're just devastate ted that you didn't have any vision pro homework this week also.

if there was an apple P, R. Email about a bunch of vision proof.

So we did. And I was genuinely happy to see that.

I hope that they no.

I did. I would love more vision pro content if were to the point now where they can start where they have so much that they can send us mails containing lots of new vision process ent. That's a great problem to have. I I look forward to there being so much content that that's really a thing that we need.

Yeah um but friend of the show, understanding with Smith wrote after listening to your discussion last night of the office was last week about the latest vision process I made a little spread sheet of all the vision promise of content, adding up the cumulative run time that they just test a meeting for milestone.

There is now slightly longer immersive content at one hundred and thirty one minutes, then the twenty twenty three W D C K note, which included its introduction at hundred and twenty six minutes. So let me let me say that again, rephrase IT slightly, the entire wwdc keynote, which of which a part of IT, a large part of IT was the vision pro that was one hundred twenty six minutes. And as of last week, there is one hundred and thirty one minutes of immersive consent.

So we did a show, we passed. We passed the threshold, will put a i'll put a little graph that underscore put together in the shower notes, and perhaps will be the chapter are for this little section IT made me laugh quite a bit that underscore, but this is a very, a very underscore thing to do to put this together. He continues on averagely of released three minutes and seven seconds of immersive content per weeks since launched.

If you include the launch content, if you take the launch content out and just look at new content launched since february second, the average released rate is seventeen seconds per day or about two minutes per week. I love this. This so much made me so happy, right? right? We ve got some feed back a little while ago from paradise.

Pete on Mason, I believe, who writes? I tried cleaning my keyboard using the screensaver method, but I also had unlock with opple watch abled. And now all of my devices are conspiring against me.

I just makes you too easy. I like your computer. I can get near with my rest to clean IT, because this time I go near, that opens up with my watch.

Imagine if apple laptops also at face ID, and you'd be trying to clean unlock because be facing so you have to look away, take off, rather watch and and look away, don't look at IT. And then you can clean the keyboard. Any game once again, will link to clean up, buddy, an application that will help you lock your screen.

And of course, the couple love is all, do we have that weird key combat you can do to shut your thing down and make us so doesn't wake up and you hit the keyboard struggles. Real people want to clean their keyboards. Imagine if laptops are a waterproof, then there will be lot easier to do this.

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A alex road in with regard to APP size is I think another big contributor to APP sizes is that companies don't split out their apps based on their offerings either. It's quote, one APP for company tesla zed, the whole sweet of functionality for their battery and solar offerings that somebody with just the car will never see software. The service companies with business to consumer consumer and business to business offerings also frequently use the same map for both the b to see customers get a lot less functionality, but both groups have to download the same map.

This does contribute to the upsize in the sense that like you think about like all the different screens, like in the example here I can the tea APP. You have all the different graphics that represent the power walls, or you know of the different things versus all the different cars. Yes, that is true.

However, the problem is still that they don't really care to minimize such things, that there are ways to have an after that has images and various assets and you know has lots of different functionality. That is not four hundred back of bites. Like the thing is they really again, like we are saying last time, they really is not much of a culture in modern often are development around minimizing the size even of the resource usage of apps.

Like that's why you have ABS or RAM hoggs too, because modern computer harbour is so you vast and fast that for the most part, no one july picking apps based on their efficiency. And then when he comes to something like like you know a company up like a the test example here, if you have a tesla vehicle or powerball or you know multiple things, you don't have any choice but to use their APP. Like that's how that's why you get the IT.

IT isn't like you have five different apps you can use and you might pick one that takes a blush space on your computer like, no, you don't have the choice when you're dealing with this core problems. Usually it's there APP or you don't use the product. So that's yet another reason why they have no incentive to use resources sufficiently because where else you going to go.

you going to make all the test of people, send you links to third party apps they used to control their cars.

thanks. And in fact, underpart, I almost at one back, back a long time ago.

and you should know that they exist. We have to promp this. Yes, we know everybody up. By the way, I just like to the APP that I used, the the APP for my washing machine, five hundred and games.

oh my word. So how much functionality .

is in that sends me notification .

on the washroom?

Oh my god gracious. Five hundred mega. But I think we replaced by A A speaker.

You know what? I also is long. You can also upload a named the wash cycles like you can. You can pick any combination my teachers and and give IT a me and then uploaded its please .

watch these sweaters on bob. Yeah.

I think i'll like to ox this point. I think there's up work with every L G appliance that has any smart unctions ality. So you frigging or a driver washing machine or any model and that this is this one five hundred mego ad apis for all them.

if you'll permit me attent gentleman which again, I know this never happens on the show um I have become one of those homes, sistine people and I feel like i'm doing a good job of not being know like across fitter for a homesites ant person where all I ever talk about this homesites and give me time i'm i'm sure to get there but I bring this up because a Christmas gift that i've asked for and I happen to know they'll be arriving on on Christmas .

spoiler alert.

did that to tell you?

Told me that .

he went to the moon, told that's exactly, that's why he was ten minutes later.

That's why I was late to the record. And I was, I needed to explain to stand to what homework once. But in any case, after hearing john talk about his what was a you link thing for the refrigerator, I decided I would like to do something similar and over automate and overcomplicated, something that really has no business being this complicated, nor this automated.

And I thought I could get, I forget the term for IT, but proximities sensors for the mailbox, and then hopefully, and then hopefully send myself a pushed notification when the male gets here. I'm very excited about this. Don't yg my mum.

But the reason that I bring all this, the reason number all this up, is because the other thing I really, really want to do, and I haven't figured out the right way to do IT, but i've been contemplating, like, is there like an accelerator version of the oing sensors or whatever? I want to know when the washing aching in the dryer done. And I don't want to do that, like intercepting and doing, like in intercepting the power and like reading the voltage or amperage age or whatever that's marwar ge.

It's being used. I feel like there's a way to sense this using some sort of crappy yelling sensor. And I haven I haven't put too much thought into this, but it's on my list of things that I don't need to automate, or what you know, whatever, but I want to do IT anyway as a fun project.

So do you own still from having Young children a video baby monitor?

No.

actually we don't. I can say you could like just point that at the washing machine and then Carry the screen somewhere .

that if your old ipad or an old iphone, you could chose the song that IT things when the load have a short .

cut that says.

winches I am recognizes the songs.

And can you do that? I don't think you can actually do that. I don't think it's constantly listening.

Yeah, yes, yeah, no. Well, you just leave in, leave at in the suam. I unna know this probably short cut way, because they the hole point is they, when they make some kind of noise, when when the cycle is done, right?

Everything Better noise. Yeah, that's true. I mean, there, there are other .

ways to solve big. How big or and our value, ladies, is your house that you can hear, that I think we can hear. Our laundry machines matter where we are in our house.

We can hear IT, generally speaking me that our house is a little over two thousand and coffee, it's really not that big at all. I mean, it's bigger than john, but not that pig. And so anyways, when the kids are really you, I was going to say getting into IT, but that employ bad.

But then again, if the kids are really getting into IT or just really playing, often times we can't hear IT. Um but in again, this is a problem that I don't really need to solve. Same thing with the mailbox.

Does that really matter? No, but would I be a fun thing to fix something? I shouldn't say fix a fun thing to do. yeah.

So I think that is somewhat I mean, before I had my washing machine that sends me notifications is you put the stuff in the laundry, you put IT in, and then you take out your phone with you just have with you and you say, remind me to changed laundry and thirty five minutes or whatever the cycle is going to take because you don't want to leave the wet clothes the summer. You don't want leave the wet cloth sitting in the washroom and know they've been fun but they're still damp so you can like, you know doing stuff and you get lost and work and you I go it's five pm and this been wet laundry sitting over three hours so just keep yourself reminder you don't have to hear anything and your phone will just boop until you change later.

But the problem is washing machine time estimation kind of like football time. Oh, there's nine months in the quarter. I don't see you in an hour.

You just got to know how long loads actually take. If you if your numbers on your thing lie, you still going to know like how long is is really going to take and then just set the timer for that or set a timer for like give off some margin of arrow, like set IT for like fifty minutes. You just trying to not leave damp stuff in the washing machine for several hours.

That's fair. Anyway, I don't know how ever do this for the for the laundry machine. And obviously santa has committed to bringing me the the proxy image sensor. So plex, so many senate, what it's called. But you know i'm talking about further.

there is a little door, little contact there together. Actually.

yes, I think there's a Better name for I can't place right now IT doesn't ter be the xi? Yes, actually I think that is. Thank you. Anyway, I wanted to tell me about what JoNathan deeds junior, front of the show of JoNathan deeds junior.

has say about mac SSD, please in the news will talk more about them. A IT, but a, here we go to Johnson and lock for for us, he said. These utilize multi chip packages.

Egypt ch contains a single M, S, P, or memory signal processing die, along with two to sixteen and flash memory dies. And while the man dies, apple users are box standard. The M, S, P, S, proprietary is a proprietary special sauce. Apple developed their proper or msp in house using IP and engineering talent game through the acquisition of ano bit in twenty eleven.

Apple nsp technology delivers what anodic claimed prior to the accumulation is a twenty x increase in nand endurance, meaning like how long I take before wears out the and packages for some apple m series as as these fun dusty max are located on for private removal modules. We talked about them in less episode. These modules are not accepted. They're really part of an asset to IT is trivial for third parties to reproduce the printed circuit boards for these modules, which again, we talked about the company to last episode and populate them with the necessary plastic components. However, the nand modules with apples for pride, Terry M S, P, S, are not available through any legitimate channels, making third party upgrades and non starter.

That's what I was wondering about and all these video like, look, we made the practice circuit board for the little module and you just take these nand ships and you put them there uh, and a psycho kay, where did you get those nand chips from? Uh, john is saying there is no way to get them because those those individual like those nand dies on there is nand but also apple's memory signal processor needs to be on there is on a single day, not separate thing. It's not a single little rectangle, I don't know, single die inside there.

Um anyway, continue the videos of people upgrading the storage. Serious max are using nam pack just pulled from other devices, which is often wither. They include a rebling step.

There will always be a small supply. Of legitimate parts available to the the repair community that are pulled from non functional devices are new machines that have been parted out. Then again, there will also be part illegally diverted from the supply chain are coming from chopin PS to breakdown stolen devices. Swapping nand modules are packages with pulls from mother m series max will only work of the non configuration you present to the controller is one that apple has implemented and provides film ever for if you have one of the packages with extra nandie and need to be an M S M S P zero position, that means even when swapping two modules for that, terrible as city and m one generation maximus won't work. So like max to do had two modules.

Les, in IT, IT was saying, if you just take those two modules that came from maple and you swap their positions you know in the different slots, even that won't work because one of them with M S P position zero has to the one with the extra and I has to be in position zero. Um if you try to plug in module the sports for PCI e lanes into a two slot or vice vera, it's not going to work. For example, the modules from the m4 h and m4 pro max mines are either electrically nor mechanically compatible。

I mean, mechanically, they can go in the slots. I don't nobody saying like there you can't swap these things because the the number of PC islands on m four versus m four pro S O S are different. Um there is also a good chance that swapping S S D components between m series max of different generations won't work if you move the man to man to another mac, the data will not be readable, even if for what didn't enable to running of the volumes on the discrete itself as encysted with A S ts and the encampment keys are stored in by the secure enclave integrated into the m series as so this is why I swapping S D components.

Even the official apple asos m upgrades for the mac pro requires performa D F U reset from another mac connected via USB type c cable. Uh, i'm curious, why does stood one that was the person to do the upgrade in the video we talked about? I'm curious, why do stood one thought you needed to use blank nand modules because IT should matter in the slides.

That's the whole point of the df u. restore. So yeah, the important part of information here are those little nand about just that there we say I need to take these and you started them right on.

You can't get those. That is my question. Where do those come right?

Like I know this company uh, we're going to talk about a second french company is making the printed circuit boards, but you need the actual flash memory chips to go on them. And those chips have an apple priority thing inside them. Apparently there are sources from them.

Man down the these talks about all bunch are, you know, sometimes you get them from old max. You get up that's been illegally diverted from the supply chain. You can get use things right. There's ways to get them, but they're not readily available.

Another thing is that because this is just part of an S S, D, you really have to match the board with the and and the chips with the mac and the S O C that know how to read them because it's it's not like it's not like an internet standard like the m two things or whatever. Where's uh N V M A standard. But it's like ah if you just applied to the standard that this will work in any machine that we can understand this thing.

It's like apple just Taylor makes them okay, the m for process this many P C I lanes, we're gonna this kind of slight with this fault ges or make this printed talk about to go along with a gap of these nan's on. And it's very, very custom. So when you're buying a memory expansion, you're buying IT for a particular mac, sometimes for the particular S O C.

I mean, I think this just shows like the idea of art. We have all of these like you custom mac models now that have like you some kind of proprietary or person or settled on in some cases um storage and memory everything else apple is selling them saying this is not a credible really um or in the case of the mar o it's upgradient only from us um like that's that's apple position.

And you see and there there are certain technical reasons for that as well or physical reasons for that as well. And you know we have this recent spate of people who are coming up saying, like we're going to sell cheaper modules for this, just about her big starter or whatever. Um but I think as you know, if if somebody can get off the ground and somehow do that and somehow survived with that as a as a business, both illegally and supply chain work is good for them.

But as a as a buyer, as a customer, I would strongly advise that you don't throw your money of these people until those businesses are established. And that may never happen because what IT looks like is this is a hard problem. We don't know what apple's going to do in reaction yet. You know if they if they are depending on apple for supply of certain preparatory chips with things like that in some way like that, that could be a problem.

Well, they're not depending on because apple won't give them these things. But there I mean, I it's not actually a complicated a problem. It's complicated based legally like where can you legally apparently you can't legitimate those little memory of everything else about IT. It's a print circuit board like those components you can get right uh and talk about this next night.

In fact, the third parties who are doing this that they actually improving an apple designed by adding some protections that does not include right, but those memory chips, those little square that you see them soldering onto there, there is no legitimate place to get them. Apparently, apple won't sell them to you. Apple suppliers are not supposed to sell them to you.

You could get them from old max that are broken, but the S S, D is fine. But then it's basically used chip. Or as you know, maybe there diverted illegally in the supply chain where the the company that is making and selling this apple on the side, we will sell some you know, at the back door to some other people are whatever.

But all the difficulties in this procedure are not technical, are merely business related that apple doesn't want there to be a market for a third party upgrades. So these computers, despite the fact that the cases are removable, and I think we discuss the last epic, that one of the obvious ous reasons apple we want to make them because because small area sizes can strapped on their desktop max, even in the mac mini, there's enough room in there that you can make IT removable. Arguably, you could still kind of make a removal on laptop.

So for whatever reason, apples have been sodomy down the d chips. But that makes any kind of repair like one of those egypt goes Better or something so expensive because you have to truck the whole thing out to give an entirely new logic port. Now they're just stop, max, you know how to do that. If the S, S, D goes bad, apple just replace IT under warranty with one of those little module that cost them, uh, a Price that is much lower than what .

we would pay for IT. And speaking of third party storm jobs creates and reported on mac rumor spinach company police soft has successfully reverse engineer apple's proprietary storage modules with max studio and plans off for more affordable upgrade tion studying in january twenty twenty five, following a successful kick starter campaign, IT raised a little hundred hundred hundred thousand dollars from one hundred and forty four backers. They planned offer two terribles for four hundred twenty dollars, which is about thirty percent less than apples six hundred dollars. They planned to offer four terabytes for about eight and fifty box, which is again about thirty percent less than apple twelve hundred box and eight terrible tes for a little lesson, twelve hundred dollars, which is over fifty percent less than apples two thousand, four hundred.

I remember those Prices for apple are not the Price that they will sell you that mode for because they won't sell you those modules that the Price for upgrading from five, twelve to that amount. So when going for five to alto to terabytes, you're paying for one point five terabytes for six hundred dollars.

So if they were to sell you these individually, like they do on the mac pro, the a terbium would probably be twenty eight hundred dollars, something like that, right? But yeah, for the eight terribly one they're undercutting, apple this time will for half Price. You can get eight terribles in your maxi dio for half Price and note what they're selling here is third party S S T.

Upgrades for the mac studio. You can just buy this institution in your mac pro in another computer like there are just is very specific because they have to be matched to the S O C and whole motherboard and a lot of the stuff, right? But I see this and I think, wow, look, storage competition and kind of opens my like very successful and marko list.

Many reasons why they might not be. You'll get to more and a little bit. But if they are successful, this would actually put some competitive pressure on apple and IT might bring us back to the days where we say, oh, if you're going to get a map, get with the smaller ont of storage available and then just check that out and buy one of these upgrades from a third party because it's the exact same part. In fact, they might even be Better. Uh, but IT can be uh as cheapest half Price.

Uh so apparently look mean I oni meaning i'm sorry. Uh, tried IT I didn't get a chance. Watch this video before recorded so what's gone on here?

Yeah he just he bought one of these things and installed that in his, uh, max studio. And in fact, he installed backwards for the first time. He didn't realize that the ones got to go and one slot ones got to slot.

And he didn't work right, right. But eventually figured out, but yeah, a lot easier than tottering. You just buy this thing from somebody IT comes in the mail. You will not be your max idio, which is annoying because is the stupid circular phone thing you have to cut off with that he's anyway bold, could really make this maxes are open, but anyway you open and up and stick the things in and got A A max deo for half the Price that he would have a bought red from apple.

Uh, and you can check out the video, but most say, I put IT in there so that this is, I mean, I guess he's kind of an apple tric take thing, but this is seeing videos is about upgrading mac storage. This is the topic of the day for that stop max. Many obvious is about the max studio, but also the magni like apples is going to put these in nodules people are onna.

Look at that and say, I should be able to upgrade that physically remove. It's here in my hand. Can I get another one of these but not buy IT from you? It's kind of like the absorb stuff where it's like ever. It's like you we want to sell things to customers, but we don't want to give apple thirty percent of the way we can do that once once you you know if you can ceive of the possibility, can you imagine selling off without apple getting thirty percent? Well, anyway, uh, people have that conception of their mind because this thing that used to happen all the time and people don't forget, uh, or even the people who are on alive, then old people can say, kids, we used to sell software, uh, through the web and apple wouldn't get any percentage of IT. Can you imagine that?

But how do things work then?

We used, we used to be able to grade storage.

How did apple not go bankrupt?

right?

We used to build up great. Well, we used to up great story. And and now here he is. Again, these these new max that their storage IT seems IT comes right out. This is interesting. And so I no, we will see how to go to the kick starter, uh, anyway, so we should read janina's deeds of analysis of how he thinks is gonna indeed.

So JoNathan rites, I stand by what I said my previous email. I don't see how they can legitimately gain access to a sufficient supply of nant packages with apples proprietary mp. I'm also not sure they sufficiently differentiated their design so as to avoid legal action for rap.

Ali soft does say that, quote, the main risks are the supply of certain specific components, which is why we have set up an extensive inventory quote. However, IT concerns me. The police oft doesn't come out and address the msp issue head on. I'd love to hear their take .

the legal thing makes me think, oh, that's the way apple will go like because the printed circuit board like so they reverse engine. The I basically standing off the layers like the the look mean, I video shows some pictures from that. That's how they figured out how the circuit board works, are they? But we have a legit one that works well.

How do we reproduce this? Slowly stand off the layers of the printed circuit ards, you can see what each layer does and look at all the surface now components and maybe update a couple components uh and then you just to get those and ship so you know um they're worried about the supply of certain specific components, which has gotta be those property names and I have no idea they're getting them. And I imagine they don't want to say anything about the M S.

P. Because why would they why would they say that they're doing something illegal like someone selling on these things on the sly who shouldn't be so yeah um I mean I and I assume most of them new, but again, they could be from like max that are you know older, broken in some other way. But the asset these are fine so we'll the others goes.

But uh, if I was looking to save money on storage on a mac, i'd be willing to at least try this, uh, just because storage Price on whatever my next mac is is going to kill me because i'm pressing up against my forever. But I really pressed to get the four terrible in my mac pro in nineteen was like a the most expensive upgrade that I applied. This machine, I think, was just increasing the storage.

And know the only other choice to have that bigger than four from apple is eight, and that's gonna double the Price of whatever the computer I get. So i'm watching with interest how this goes. I think a lot of other people are too.

And like, I like to see this. I want apple to feel, feel competitive pressure. You make a removable component and someone can figure out how to make that same rule component and sell IT for what must be still. And Johnson said the email, I still be really healthy margins for policy, just not apple healthy, just not six point five times market rate, maybe only three times market rate, but it's still a good business to be in.

You could undercut apple, you know, selling eight terribles for half the Price that apple cells at less than half the Price because again, that's the Price of just the upgrade from five well self or half Price still make a healthy profit. Maybe that i'll puts some pressure on apple. Maybe people will if this becomes a liger business, people will stop paying the giant apple Prices and just go back to the conventional ism m of, oh yes, get the test, stop mac with the lower amount of storage and upgraded from a third party.

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Decent topics to start with threads. Maybe we should, before we get into the topic, can we do a quick temperature check on how much all of us are using threads for me? I feel like I started using IT a fair bit three months ago, something like that, and I was starting to really like IT. And then I don't know if I was feeding the algorithm poorly or if the algorithm changed or something like that, but I started falling kind of out of love with IT maybe a month or two ago. So I was only like a month or two that I was really kind of into and then blue sky can found found the jews after the election and i've been paying more attention to blue sky than threats recently and generally enjoying IT more um but that's where I am marko weare you on threads and blue sky i'm .

really not there. Um I have accounts on both those services for both me and overcast um and of course and we maintained A T P accounts to step of thing john D O is that I think entirely but anyway, so for my stuff I have my persons account and I V T and I have overcast accounts on on threads uh and blue sky and masted on I only use master on regularly of those three as I as I pulled away from twitter over the years, I learned that I didn't really need twitter for my business.

IT was really just a place I enjoyed hanging out personally. Sometimes, sometimes IT was not enjoyable. IT and IT was a huge time sink for me. The whole reason I made an APP called twitter was that I was having trouble not spending all day on twitter when I was be working and but I I was spending all this time on twitter because I thought I was necessary for you to reach customers and my audience and and think so I was necessary for business reasons and what I have found out um you know when I left twitter and and spent only really sad things time I mastered on master, I have a smaller audience there not even close to the size of the twitter was and yet my business metrics didn't go down at all. In fact, nothing went down.

Um and and what's interesting to is that you know over the last you know year, so i've also really pulled back a lot from just social media in general. I pulled back a lot. I heard they ever posted instagram anymore.

I I don't post that much on masted on um and it's mostly you know just dropping in here there and also is my my node really go down um with overcast stuff. Building an announcement mechanism in the APP to reach my customers in the APP was way more effective and benefit way more people than using social media channels for that purpose. And so what i'm finding is I don't really have much of a business need to maintain a strong presence socially. So it's really just what do I like to do personally? And what I like to do personally is more and more as I get older, i'm just I I want to just hang out with my friends.

And that's different from broadcasting publicly into a room for the strangers most whom want to yellowed me, that in broadcast publicly correctly, social media has got ten so much less fun over the years as just as every scot angry er um the recent election did not help at all um but you know even before the election every woman has been getting angry or for so long that what's left on social media is a bunch of stuff to make me angry about things I mostly can't control they are going on on in the world and a bunch of people who have been made angry so when I come and try to you know post about programing, i'm mostly posting in front of all those people who are angry about the stuff. And then sometimes I blows back on me and i'm just like, I don't like, what am I doing this for? I just to help out with my friends.

I'm no longer interested in like sharing what's going on in my life just for the sake of sharing. Like that's that's part that's a big reason why I pulled back so much an instagram. If if I take some picture of, you know like me in my new glasses, who cares? You know, the people close to me care about.

The people have to see me everyday. They care about IT. No one else needs to care about that.

What about, like, when I take a trip somewhere, you know, I find this new restaurant, the city, really cool. L, who cares? And no one's following me for that. So what i'm learning is, like, I I don't I don't want to just be like performing my life on social media for t like to try to, I don't know, gain followers like that.

That's not really what what i'm therefore, I don't mind sharing my life, but i'd rather do IT with people I actually know and like my actual friends and family. And so I have found relatively little place in my life now for social media besides casual browsing and sharing for professional or business reasons. So if I want to tell if I want to talk about swift or or you know some kind of APP technical thing mastered on grade for that, I go there for that.

If I want to, you know, ask a question about code, yeah, master on, perfect for that. If I want to read, like just catch up on what my friends are up to instagram is good for that. But I I consume mostly and don't post much.

So that's like I read is becoming a primarily for me. So what am I going to use threats and blu sky for? Well, IT seems like threats and blue sky are mostly successful for people who want to to be like really jacked in to social media.

This is like journalists, people who were like information junky is people in certain verticals that those are maybe strong in, like I I know sports. This kind of traction over on blue sky, from our twitter, refugees, ons to and politics are obviously you part of all that. And so when I when I dip into these these services, what I mostly see is a bunch people who are probably just going to make me upset or angry based on what they talking about.

Know what's going on that day? What you know, what are we all mad about today? Join the pile on.

I I don't want that anymore. I don't have a place in my life that anymore. I have other things that I want to spend my time and attention on. So all that is to to answer your question in the longest way possible no, I don't really use the reads or blue blue style very much.

Thank you. Thank you for that. The central ly john.

when I love twitter, I went to mass and on and um the critical mass of the people that I care about hearing for me also I massed IT on so I feel like i'm there and my people are there. That's my main place where I am uh and have been for while now. Uh I uh I was excited about a blue guy back when I was announced way back on the day as a spin off project from twitter and I signed up for blue sky count like day one.

I've had IT forever but i'm really used that that much uh threads. I also signed up and they want just to see what that was like um for threads and blue sky. One of the things that annoys me about both services is their third party client ecosystem is poor yeah I don't think there's any third party clients for threads and there are some for blue sky, but uh, none of the clients are do work the way I want them to and there's just not as many as there are methods on clients.

There are so many methods on clients to choose from. There are some really, really good ones. And that makes a difference to me um IT makes a big difference in how use them uh I do check um threads and um blue sky every single day.

I recently promoted those two apps out of a folder on one of my other screen up to there are now page two of my you know home screens. So the second home screen, not in the folder because I just i'm i'm checking them every single day, usually multiple times today. But what i'm doing there is i'm essentially monitoring people who are trying to communicate with me there, right? I do have accounts there.

And so I I managed the atp counts there there as well. And a people if people who are there are trying to communicate with me or with atp or with actives or with my hypocritical clone, I actually have a bunch of accounts and all those things um that's what i'm doing. I'm not reading the timelines on threads or a blue sky much occasionally I pick but it's just like I just confirms that that's not there is not much there for me um and i'll get to that.

The second when we talk about with the sexual topic is about but but i'm looking at the mall of time to see who's that mentioning any of those four accounts that I have in all the systems and having to deal with either the first party clients or the not so great third party clients and not not not so great third party clients for blue guy, a lot of a really good they're just not, uh, suit to what I am doing, which is shuffling through four different accounts, checking for mentions. That's not a Normal pattern for most users, right? Most users are reading their timetable ines and replying to people and stuff.

And I am basically using IT as a sentiment customer support type of thing up for in terms of reading the i'm looking at master on mostly I I follow list of people, Mason, that gives me things that end up in this show. I'm also looking on threads and blue guy for things end up in the show. They're just harder defined because people are talking about different stuff.

Most of the tech people I have found to follow our master on, the fewer of them elsewhere. So yeah, i'm using all those baps every single day um check in them diligently. Uh but I don't like the clients and I don't spend any personal time there.

All my personal time. If i'm spending any personal the time or fallowing people, we're just like friends. I think that's .

a mess yet. And just to build on that for a moment, you know, the client thing really heavily affects me as well. Like the reason why I got so masted on was that I learned what I really liked about twitter was the experience problem to me by tweet pot, both on the on the phone, but also more more often on the mac.

And what tap ots did when method on became big, twitter shut down their API to their party clients. Uh, they basically adapted the code based they had for tween t and made the APP ivory, which is basically tweet for master on. And because Mason is a very twitter like service, what that ended up doing was IT.

Let me not really change any of my habits or workflows. I just changed the other name that I was using from tween t to ivory. And I and I was able to move you to move my habit into that, and I kind of fit right in and didn't think about I could keep working the way always did.

That is not at least at the moment. I as far, no, they don't have anything like that for blue sky. We should least has an A P, I thread, doesn't even have the right A P, I, fat far .

and pRobing pretty third part like .

no facebook there, a client read and right kind of API. They want you to add value to them by posting to them. They have an API for posting, but I don't think they're never going to give you an API that will let you build a reading client.

Um so you know that's not really onna happen for threats because where most of the people are blue sky, I mean, look, if blue sky ends up like continuing its growth and sustaining all the people, which is hard and you know not super likely, like i'm glad having a moment they're having strong growth right now. But a lot of people love kicking the tires on a new social APP they here is where I quote, everyone is going keeping them there after a while. That's hard.

That doesn't often happen. We've seen that before. I mean, look, we even got people to go try out APP at net for a little while and everyone left.

That's a throw back. That's actually that's why ivory ah was uh as possible. That was because they adapted tweet pot to apt net. So they had generalized IT and once they did that generalization even went away. When met I came said that we've already done the work to generalize our twitter like client APP and so was easier from what I heard to slot a maslin.

Yeah, we can actually somewhat think this, this successful mass among our community of like apple nerds to net bot, which .

none of.

And by the way, for anyone who's making a blue sky client or whatever, like a ivory, I also use ivory. Even a twitter over was my first and biggest love and I was uh tweet. But uh is also very good.

And if you're wondering what kind of features uh are useful for people like me who are monitoring lots of accounts, just copy everything that ivy does. They they IT easy as what you in accounts with a small number of tapes and gestures I think I counted the other day. I think threads requires three times the number of actions to do anything that I do on regular basis. It's maddening. Um yeah and everything is very compact and they have really good mutio account support and you can when you reply, you can choose which actually you want to reply from just at the last moment yeah and I like that's not why most people using I but this is using because this is a really good client, but it's a really good client for a single person reading a single account. It's also a really good client for someone monitoring court and quote brand accounts or you know doing customer .

server or whatever. Yeah and that's like that's like what i'm doing is monitoring three different accounts, two of which mostly just for replies and my person or i'm of posting and replying here and there but like I monitor three times now even if you know suppose I don't know what you know if if tap boxes is planning on making the blue sky clan or not or adapting IT into iram I don't know that but suppose they did what I think would be like the best thing for my personal preferences which should be modify ivory to also support blue guy in one unified APP that would be great um I thinking maybe that would be great but then what then I have a two different personalities and two different services that kind of cross posting two and that's always difficult.

And like there's always like little little gotcha and little crappy ses that go along with you trying to use cross posting and trying to appear that you're really there into different services. Um so like that's that's difficult a difficult problem to solve. You still wouldn't have threads, which is where by far the most people are and will probably continue to be.

Um so you have all those you know of logistical and and you know mechanical problems of trend judge motor services. Ultimately, twitter back in the day through through for all of its faults, was overall Better for most people because IT was one place that you could be pretty sure like anybody who you would want to reach that way. Was probably there anything that you wanted to follow, any kind of like informational feed from, you know, government agencies or businesses or scientific agencies, whatever, like IT was probably on twitter.

IT was great having the all in one place as much as twitter. The company was always a train rec even you know long before elon bought IT, like they've always been a train rock as a company. Just they were just train works in different ways and they are now and maybe overall, maybe less of a train rock. But like IT was good back in the day when I was one place where everybody was now, when there is all these different places that everyone has split up to, I don't love any of these services enough to really use them heavily the way I used to use twitter, which honestly has been a huge benefit to my life life to not have anymore .

having to go to multiple apps to monitor these things that was annoying and just not going to two, you just um let people know i'm preempt and feedback. There are apps that let you read multiple services once the latest version of the reader APP R E E D E R, uh, is multi service to R S S fees. Uh, blue sky threads to water, not winter.

Oh, maybe just winter. Now, now, the anymore. Anyway, you could do multiple stuff. You do me at least master on a blue sty. Uh there is a icon factory has an apt that they're working on I think is still in beta that lets you have essentially a single time mine with with multiple different sources extend to them um that like marker was saying i'm for reading kind of like treating IT is like it's an our accessory or but you can also read uh social services uh, with that as well.

That's cool um but it's not quite the same thing as participating in the timeline where you're conversing because you'd be IT would be like if if uh every one of your messages threads and the messages APP was in a single conversation view yeah now you can see everything that everyone saying to you but when you reply to one person like you reply to someone to post to something a blue sky but then another person replies as something and they messed on and they didn't see either of those two that were on blue sky. But you think they did based on what they say, you reply to them if they saw those but all you got to screw up. And look, there was little tag that a that one from blues got like keeping track of an inter leaved chrono gc timeline of seven services and trying to have conversations with the people on those services, I don't think is a good experience, which is why a lot of those reader APP like R E D R and the icon factory APP are focused on reading primarily.

They're not there for you to have conversations, but IT is there for you to have a single timing that you can catch up up on kind of like an r cesare or you're not here just reading different websites, right? That's there. And of course, there's the federation aspect massed on a federated um and in theory, independent of any single company.

A blue sky wants to be federated but is not it's centralized. But they're working on IT. They're working on this for years.

Wake me up when they get somewhere. Threats, of course, says, well, yeah, now we're totally going to federate a propriety service with the with activity public Mason. And they're been doing IT in bits and pieces, but they're doing IT so slowly and so peaceful. Al, I can follow the the president soon, not for anyway and you can follow the accounts er around threads.

I can follow them from master on, but you can't really have a two week conversation now finally they can follow you but if you only have replied from them and it's confusing because someone looking for me will find that I do have an account on threads, but that's not the one that I used. I used the one to master IT on. So someone on threads will provide follow me on threats they wouldn't follow me and asked on.

And it's, you know, maybe someday the federation will actually work and then I could have an account massed on and not feel like i'm missing anything happening on threads. But today that is not that day. They're just taking baby steps in that direction.

So the bone is I am now checking at least three addition, different social services, I mean, this country and staging as well for something. But mainly those three services were once only check one of them. And that is not as pleasing and more annoying.

But that's the reality when you just got got to do, you ve got, you got to go with the people. There's nothing I can say or to do that's going to make everybody go to mass donor, everybody go to blue sky, everyone go to threads. People are going when they're going, maybe they're settle in some position, you know.

And the people when I say everybody i'm talking about, like listeners to the show, which are not represented with the general population note, is why so many they are not asked on. But in the general population, mostly people on threats because they leverage the integram social graph and babbo w and then blue guys, you know, is big now, right? But those people are going to blue sky are probably not as many ATP listener says that were A D.

M. S. Anyway, that's the situation ran. Now, I didn't finally get to what I thought was going to be a short topic on threats.

You thought wrong threats is testing the option to choose your own default feed. Reading from the verge threads will. Now what use to decide what feed they want is a default when opening the APP metai o mark oberg announced the news in a post, then you be able shoes between the four year following or any custom feed you've set up zccm's post notes that threads is quite testing. This option will also offer different feeds a more visibly within .

the APP yeah so speaking of threads. Uh one of the things that has been true that to adapt from day one, uh, is that when you launched the APP puts you into the other next time line, which is the right to faut for most people because most people don't do what I do, which is carefully follow this of people and read everything that they post. Now they struck you into algitha time line, and you can have your complaints about the thread.

Author, that is what IT is, but that's where I checked when you launch the APP. But if you like, pull down on the screen and go to the top of whatever, you'll see that there's the like whatever called for you and there's the following one um like this is another tab at the top of screen that brings you to essentially a chron logical time line of the people you follow and member when threats launch like oh, they'll be an algorithm time mine and there also be a chrome gc one. So it's whatever you want.

If you want the algorithm one, you got IT that threads will try to show you for posted that thinks you're interested and mix them with the people you fall. But do you wanted to be like old school for the weird fuddy duddies like me who want to read a chron logical timeline of the post from the people they fall? It's right next to IT you just tapped that and now you reading a chrome gc time like or guess what from day one the threads hap let's you do that and click on the following tab and get a chance logical time eline.

But every single time you really launched the APP, IT says, oh, uh, here's here's the other time line. You can go to the chrome gc. And if you want, IT never remembers intentionally.

IT always wants you to go to the I could remember it's just a simple preference. They could save the fact that I went there. They could save the fact that I always wanted to go to the cogia one.

They can save the fact that literally the first thing I do every single time launched the ap A O. But no, they won't save IT. It's one of the most user hostile things piece of sofa can ever do is intentionally ignore what they know you want because is not what they want.

They want you to see the other mic timing because they think they know Better. They think we get more engagement when we forced people to see our average c timeline. Doesn't matter what they want because our testing has shown, if we let people make that preference sticky, if we remember that they went to the crowd of time line and we keep IT there, we get less engagement from that person.

And IT doesn't matter what they wanted. Only matter is what we want. What are matrix that we care about? So from day zero, the threads APP has been doing this and i've hated them for IT.

And it's like, well, il's facebook, what do you expect? But here's the story from this is from november twenty fifth, the story, oh, mark zarchy g. CEO, the big CEO S I guess what this was around the time blue sky, I was getting popular because the election or whatever.

So, oh, competition threads to feel in the heat. People look on to blue sky. They got to do something, even just the slight test bit of competition.

The slightest idea that anyone might know blue sky exist makes the CEO of the company, mark okba, come out and say, oh yeah, now we're working on the secret technology that will allow you to to see the the chrome gc timing figured out how to save a bullying and a preference. We did that. We finally figured that out.

And how do they figure that out? Nothing to do a blue guy. We just, we just thought this would be a cool feature that you might like.

So we decided to roll this out for no reason, and it's being announced. The C E. O of the company, so incredibly use the hostile feature.

The only know gets reversed when there is even the hint of competition. But here's the thing, as they say, they're testing this option. I still don't have IT.

Every day I go to thread, every day I check, do I have IT? Am I being A B tested? Have they done the update? No, they haven't. That was november twenty fifth, and i'm still waiting to be able to get this stupid up to remember that I always want the chronological time mine every single time.

And instead is kind of like the know, you know crop, uh you know, format original, whatever the crop aspect, the original thing that for every time I went to photos and resides in image sixty five thousand times whatever was came over that was just an oversight. This is then legitimately doing a thing that I don't want them to do because it's Better for them. And they finally say that they're not going to do IT in november.

And here we are, december. Faith still not out. So i'll keep you update on this. But like I want this option because I never want to see the other time one ever, ever, please.

If they're got the P, R, uh, boost of saying, hey, the C E O said we're going to stop doing this incredibly evil thing we've been doing because of the the slight hint of competition blue guy but then they don't actually do IT. They just take the P R window announcing that they're thinking about doing IT. yes.

So I know might take them a lot to figure out how to implement that. You know they really have to test this feature, really, really test them on a script. The whole application was saving this preferences to driving me, not but and if if you're out there and you have this future and by the way, they were the implement is insane, you have to go to let me just put the up to figure out what you have to do.

You have to go to, uh, again, you have to go to following to hold down on following and say edit fees. And then you have create new feed and then you see for you and following, if you have the feature, there will be little reorder rippers and for you and following and you change IT. So that following is on the top and whatever is in the top will be the default.

That's how the implemented. Did I had to look this up to say, do I have this feature? What is? Yeah, I don't have a yet.

I have no grapples. I can't realer them. Uh, i'll keep you posted, but I Marks like a book, terrible. Facebook, terrible.

I don't like threats, right? So what do you do? You, you say that again, you you master. I want to see if I have.

because it'll make self set the threads see little at sign of top for you and following you hold down on following.

oh, on follow feed and then you see.

create new feed for you and following, you know, you don't see the reality grapples on. Well, you've got IT.

but I just miss you dismiss what you .

I don't have any person, no, someday, mark said in november the testing this option, maybe they are contest and say, you know, we less engagement, so forget.

do IT I mean, what do you expect? Its facebook. okay. So breaking news, as a couple of days ago, pat gelsinger, the C E O intel is out reading from the verge.

On monday, intel C E O at gelsinger abruptly decided to retire after four years on the job. That was the official story anyhow. Within hours, reuters, bloomberg in the new york times, at a different one, the body directors pushed him out.

During half years ago, guessing announced an ambitious plan to turn around the trouble chip maker within four years now, he reported leave and kicked out of the company before he could see IT through IT happened so rupil that instead doesn't have a plan successor in mind. cool. And so completely, that else won't.

Even sig ground is an advisor. He's gone intelsat in a tail spin for years and missed the smart phone revolution. IT has been played by quality controllers with its chips, lost customers like apple to alternative processors, and is now at risk of missing out on A I too, if intel falling apart.

This isn't just a business story. The united states government has called IT a national security story, too. Intel isn't just the world's former leading maker of computer chips.

It's one of the last companies to both design and manufacturer of them in itself. Instead of outsourcing latter part of manufacturing to asia, it's one of the only level levers the U. S.

Can culture reduce dependence on to taiwan for chips should china decide to exert control? Some of that might be in departed because of what intel's management has or hasn't done or might newly be in jeopardy now that the board is kicked gulling your out now with regard to splitting intel into a chip designer and is one standard business. And as fab business as another, intel can't spin off its own foundation ies very easily, particularly now that it's receiving nearly eight billion in chips and science act funding from the U.

S. government. That money not only keeps intel from engaging and stock by backs for next five years, but also specifically gives the U. S. Government, successively, the us.

Department of commerce, oversight over any change of control, if anything, would see into own less than fifty point one percent of the new company or lose its voting rights. The commerce department wants to make sure intel will still fulfill its us. Manufacturing promises that could make IT difficult to fully spin out what the economics of intel foundry are.

So chAllenge that I don't know how spin off is even feasible without a massive cash infusion. Quote ben bajarin, rights ultimately be, I hope, a buyer for intel foundry emerges who can help the U. S.

Gain edge and domestic semiconductor manufacturing. This is far more strategically important geopolitically than many realized. Ed, who, there's a lot there.

So the sad story of intel, uh, our perspective on the apple side of things was that you know apple h intel was the enemy. The apple and over in tell when they had the best trips ah and then they left them when they didn't anymore.

And give me tween a lot of stuff that been going on to in tell um obviously for Young for Young people remember there was the winter duos which was windows for microsoft and intel chips uh that uh those two companies dominated the personal computer age from the dawning of the PC until basically the internet age. Uh h intel was powerful because of, you know, legacy in history, and the do apply uh, power that they had. I am also for a while there, they were powerful because they were the best in manufacturing silicon chips.

Their fab, their fabrication facilities for silicon chips was Better than everybody else's. People who dislike X, Y sex will say, that's how they can make of the ugly pig. That is, the X, Y six construction said, uh, be the dominant ship in the world because their fs are so much Better, they, they had fine their processes that other people, their processes were.

Multiple years ahead of the competition. They were the best in the world when apple went over to them. That was true. They made the best chips in the world. IT just happens to the chips they made were x eighty six.

But whatever you could make that pig fly if you put IT on a fat, that's two years ahead of everybody else during that time when they're making all that money. Uh, they they were blinded by their success. They missed out on the smart from resolution.

The we all money selling these excited six chips were the best in the world. We tell the best P. C chips that the shows we sell server chips. That's great.

Who cares about phones? Were not interested in that. Uh, intel owned the big stake in, uh, a company. They made ARM ships, uh, sort label for that matter and until I you know what, we don't think any future and ARM chips and they sold IT, whether or not that was a smart move that they also didn't make their own mobile chips um for the AI machine learning stuff or even like the cypher things or whatever or and video was out there.

Uh you know is now h was brief in the bigger company in the world is now the size of apple. Thanks to all the A I train they do on their GPU. Intel is on on all that as well.

Speaking of G P U uh n video, A M D will make gp u uh l tried to make gp U A couple of times. They're currently making gp s enough good at IT a one of their products. By the way, I remember um I had somebody who worked in a job with who left the job to go work um on uh at tell on this project.

You remember the larrabee project. Let's let's make A G P U. Let's make a graphics card out of tons and tons of tiny X, Y six ships because that's what you tell them how to do. We make excited ships.

Can we make a graphics card on those? what? We make a whole bunch of little tiny exit success and put a ton of them on the chip? Can we make A G, P, U? That was a Larry y project.

You know who in charge to the Larry y project? Pat gelsinger, right? He was trying to make a general purpose like GPU s parallel computing thing.

That project didn't go well um but during all this time intel s been like, yeah but we make all running on our other chips and so we're doing fine. But then a bad thing, another bad thing happened, yet another bad thing. Apple or an apple intel we used to be the leader in fabrication, lost that lead.

They made the wrong bet, uh stupidly, on what the next generation of silicon, you know, fabrication would be. They actually made the right that they invested in this company. That would be the future of that.

They invested in this E V, uh, you know, a technology. But then they said, you know what, even though we invested billions, dollars, we think that kind of expensive, and we think we can do IT a different, cheaper way. And they were wrong.

They could not. So they blew a multi year lead on the entire industry, while the rest of the world made the right Better. T, S, M, C made the right bet, and now the intel got chips that, uh, they sell for like servers and PC.

Apple doesn't buy from them anymore. Their fab technology stagnated for years because they made the wrong bet, right? So they didn't have the best in the world anymore. They didn't have the best ety six ships in the world.

I think one of the worst one of the biggest signs that intel was in trouble, one of the no sort of leading indicators that intel was in trouble of, if you're paying attention, was, uh, way back when they were all powerful, uh, they couldn't even successfully transition from thirty two bit to sixty four bed. They tried with titanium. And there was another bad bt, their competitor there, sort of like little, tiny little brother copying of them.

md. Came up with x six sixty four, and intel didn't come up with that. Intel wanted to do I itanium and didn't work out.

And guess what we're all using when we say apple want to intel chips, with the exception of, I think, some of the early one, they went to X A D six underscore sixty four. And intel didn't make the instruction that AMD did, right? So they just lost intel has lost everything.

They're not the best that making chips. They don't have the best chips. They're not saying the most chips.

They're not saying at any of the big growth markets, mobile GPU, crypto AI training, there are nowhere to be found. So into this pack, housing outcomes comes back to the company. Uh, he he was also the the arctic on the forty six he worked in larrabee.

He is like, I was spent thirty years of the company he left. He came back after being A V, M, where save the company pat, and pat says he is not going to save. I'm going to fix everything.

I'm going to make our fab best in the world again. I am going to start A, I going have our fab take. Uh, we're going to make chips. Other people, we didn't use that for ourselves because we are the best, but now we're going to make them further people too. And then the other part of the company, we're going to make the best chips in the world.

And if our fab can't fab them, we're going to fab parts of limit T S M C because they're the best in the world now, right? So just know no of we have to be tied to our fab. We're just going to do everything.

We're going to make great chips. We're going to fab them, whoever is the best, and our fb people are going to try to make the best fab. And he was on the way to trying to do this, uh, plan and IT wasn't working great.

Uh, and they just the border direction to get tired of and said, you've spent too much money. He doesn't like it's going well. You're out. Are you believe I didn't give you a chance to see IT through to the end, but also argued the end could have been the company going under, right?

Because they spend so much money, especially on the process of their new processes that are supposed to be competing with T S M C, are not as good to cms, are behind schedule and they apparently have no customers. So if you're if you're going to be like smc and you going to be in the business of making chips for other people and you want to make the best fab in the world, you Better to hear the best world. And b, you got have someone who's going to pay you money to make chapter for them.

That's an important part of the business, if that's what you're doing. And then the other side, intel trying to make its own chips, it's been messing up by magg chips for the venture. Problems that you may have read about in the news, uh, and it's been using T S M C to help fab them.

But T S M C, like if you want to fab your chips with us, we were preferred if you aren't also trying to be a fab yourself. And so if you're gona have your own fab over there where you're trying to get our compete for our customers, we're gone to charge you more. If you give up on that whole fab thing, the S.

M C might say, I will give you Better Price. Just be like apple, like they don't have a fab, they just pass money. We make their chips.

They're not competing with us. And so pat was trying to make intel do everything all at once. And IT wasn't going like great, and they kicked them out.

And this is a really, really sad, another very sad chapter in the downfall of intel. Not that I care that much because i'm not to invest in intel. And what is in an apples T, S M C doing great.

But the whole part that we read at the end there with the whole sort of geopolitical thing, that's that's a real thing. Uh, it's not just like ra USA. So much of the world's economy essentially depends on T S, M.

C. Now, all of the top and chips, the best manufacturing that's in taiwan, uh, taiwan is in a politically precarious situation. IT would be great for the U. S.

Government, or any government, to say, do we have a hedge against that? If things go really badly over there, can we make chips in the current answers? No, not really.

I know we got T S M C with a plant in arizona, but against the same company. And also they're not making the top n chips. They're making like two years behind type chips.

Intel got eight billion dollars from the U. S. Government to help with manufacturing. Uh but now the C E, O. That was trying to uh make that plan happen is out.

And now like the rumors that may be the board wants to really split IT off and say, okay, we're just going to be, fabrice, we're not going to make any chips or just can design them and then for them out somebody else in U. S. Governments like way.

No, don't do that. The whole point is we need someone in this country. You can make chips.

U. S. Company, they can make the best ships in the world. We used to have that until they used to be you. But this is not anymore, and we need to get that back strategically.

And so maybe intel has go this eight billion dollar hankos here, which is not much as I think intel like lost sixteen billion dollars and like the last quarter or something. So the numbers you are big, but um the U S. Government wants some U S.

Company to compete with T S M. C. I think it's gonna more money and i'm not sure it's gonna into but I just look at this whole story and I feel bad for patch gelling because I think he maybe he built off too much.

Maybe this no way his plan was going to work anyway, but at least he was trying uh and is his you know his heart was in the right place and the things you are trying to do were technically possible if he was given enough runway. It's almost kind of like if Steve jobs, when he came back to apple, like one thousand and eighty eight, and then he started working on his plan and if there is some part of direction, he said, doesn't like I was gone. Well, Steve, you gave a couple of years, but you're out and that would have been the wrong move.

Like i'm not saying that he would have turned IT around like Steve did, but I really feel like he didn't have enough chance like the boards going to support him and support this plan as they did see you through to the end. Don't get cold feet halfway through because you can quote, tell that it's going downhill because everything i've read, the integrity of directors. Doesn't really know what Carry anything about technology.

So kind of the reason they are in the situations like we know how to make money and we want to make more money and don't tell me the move is gonna be big and don't tell me the GPU are gonna big and I don't want to hear about a eye training and nothing will ever change because we're intel and those of the people got them in the situation. And so they hired pat gilling here, and then they just fired him. I think it's sad i'm sad about IT. I feel bad for pat. I feel bad for intel um but I I am glad apples isolated from IT but I still just worry about uh the entire world depending so heavily on uh one small island in a precarious situation growing up .

especially a PC person like intel, was amazing like I was never upset about anything until ever did growing up. Now granted, they they obviously made a lot of wrong choices depending four. You're said about that, that was little. So I mean maybe some.

but IT has net burst architecture. It'll make the internet burst faster.

But thing is, intel, for the Young people, they made a chip that wasn't that great. But then what do they do? They made a Better chip after, like they fixed IT, right? They were, they were were good for while they were good, what they did. And again, to really help the best fat.

well, in either way, like IT was, they were firing on all cylinders for most of my childhood. Or at least that's why I reflect upon that. I feel like that's the way I knew about IT then and and even when like even when I was really into windows, there would still be a lot of stuff that would annoy me about microsoft.

And the only thing that annoy me about intel was that they kept coming out with Better stuff that I didn't have, you know like IT IT was the march of progress. And morals law was reliable at the time. And I don't know if that was such a like, maybe the american and me is coming out.

Maybe i'm getting a little rover a he was saying, I don't realize IT, but IT was such a great story of like, you know let all of these people came together and made this just unbelievable company kind of sort of that and nothing and I was from a shell of what was that some semi conductor yeah um but for for the purpose of this conversation IT came from almost nothing and and became the jog international g IT was so call ming and that he was so important IT would intel wasn't what generated socon valley, but IT was early on in silicon valley. And there was such A A great american story, a great corporate story. I mean, I know I have very different feelings about capitalism that is little while ago, but still, IT was such a great story.

IT was was someone to be proud of as as a nerd, as an american. And IT really, from the outside, seems like they were sniffing their own farts way too much, and they just thought they could do nothing wrong. And then they continually did things wrong and didn't seem to care because other parts of the business .

were booing them were money. They found they want to make money. They did what they thought were smart decisions make money in.

Those people who made decisions are rich and retired now. And so that I worked out, but there none of them were. Technologies like to be to to be in this tech industry long term.

You do have to have some your decision making needs to be influenced in some way based on technical understanding. What's what's the next big thing is that important to be in mobile? Uh, is power consumption important on CPU?

RGB is going to be more or less important in the future like things like that or like you'd come to that to like a bunch of business people. They say, okay, yeah sure, maybe. But like let me show you the numbers. We're making money selling x eighty six in the server right now because the internet is booming and we're Better than AMD. We're Better than everybody in the world and we just got apple. So we don't have to worry about like the iphone who's going to buy an apple phone that's a student like you need someone with some test tech industry instincts to influencer decisions that if you don't do that and you just do what's gonna you the most money right now, you will miss everything and tell miss everyone thing.

No, it's really it's such a sad story and again, from the outside IT seems like such a cautionary tale about hubris that um IT really seems like they thought they could do wrong and didn't really understand their belief when they did do wrong and it's really as crumbing it's IT bumps me out but and as much as I feel for them, like if you've been shooting yourself in the foot slashed tour slash face enough times like i'm running out of sympathy and well, from a geopolitical standpoint, yes, I think it's important that we are not completely and uterine reliance on taiwan. But IT certainly doesn't seem like interest going to fix that problem for us. And no matter how much money the U.

S. Government is pumping and like i've got their handcuff now because the way they would fix this is like we should just be giving money to accompany the the only thing they're going to do is figured how to fab chips well and being tied to intel, which wants to sell chips that is designed, some of which are fed the tsc, just complicates things like if you're a fab, you just make chips.

Anybody wants to make you that give you money, you make the chip. That's your whole business. You don't make any chips.

You don't selling chips. You build chips that other people tell you to build and give you money for IT. That's what T S.

M. C. does. It's a business that make sense. On the other side are all the other chipmakers apple AMD like they don't make their own chips. They design them and then they pay somebody else to make them called fabulous ship designers right in intel path plan for intel was like we're going to be have a fab less chip design part of the company and we're going have a fad part and they're going to be the same company technically.

But like were onna build a wall between them and the people who are designing the chips? They they don't have to go to intel to build them. They should go whoever has the best and then the intel fab, or just you should just try to be the best.

And I was just IT was never gone to work out again because when intel's trying to find the chips with T S M C, T S M C, like, so you want to fab your chips to us while you try to work on a business and peace with us, here's your Price. It's a different Price than apple gets, right? And it's just it's an apple.

The us. Governments given eight billion dollars and intel, I think the water doctors would want to say we just just put this. We just is two companies we need to not be with just two companies, the fab and not the fab.

But where is the eight billion dollars go in your governments like, uh, you can do that because we give intellect billion dollars and so you cannot split otherwise we're going to have something to say about that. So I don't know how this is going to work out. I don't see how firing pt does anything feel like lets them stop spending is so much money because they spending a lot of money trying implement his plan and now he's gone and how the plan is gone.

And now what do they do next that I have A C E. O, that is, have interm ceos. Not great. Not great. Until we .

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I let's do svs gated. We always have time for one of them. And john, cg rights, after Jason stalls, the man is the model piece which an aside from me haven't read that I recommended it's really good.

Um anyways, after Jason on cells, max's model piece, what are some features you'd love to add to your apps but deliberately don't chip because you don't think apple would approve? This is a really good question and I was talking about this earlier today. And off on my head, I can't really think of anything which is is bad.

No no, I sure there are some things um the only thing I could come up with, which is I think I could work around IT today but I don't have any particular interest in running a server for coal shed. And I think um you will talk about this in the future. I think i'm going end up doing so a little bit in the near future.

Um but if I can avoid that, i'd like to in one of the most frequently requested features that I haven't even begun to think about is let me know when a movie available perfectly reasonable, perfectly reasonable thing to do and the easiest way to do that is to have some sort of like background diamond that every great once while you can see all right, of all the things you have like pinder favorite IT will have you. Are any of them available yet? And if so, send a notification.

And there are ways that you can work around this within the context of what apple allows today. But the easiest way one could argue for me to handle this is just have some process that running the background always and once every hour, once every day, whatever the case may be, IT wakes up and does a little new research and processing and then goes back to sleep. And that's not a loud and honestly think it's for the best, but that's the only thing that I can think of all time, my head, that I would potentially ship. But again, that's kind of a weak answer because I can work around them in other ways. In fact, marco uni talk about this, I can't remember, was privately .

on the show make server.

Now when I talked about this, I think privately and there were ways to handle this outside of running a yeah or you're having a daily and or have you know i'm not interested in this morning that right now we will surely explore that many sometimes eventually in the future. But that's not the answer I have, john. Let's go to next because I have a feeling your answer will also be pretty simple. And marco, I think you're going to have a little bit more to say.

Well, I mean this um things that I don't share up because I think apple want to prove them. I know they want to some of them i've tried to submit just to see that they want of her um on the mac. The things my APP does are not that complicated, but I would like to do some other things.

They just aren't A B S for uh to give just one example, uh, my switch class thing is like a little pilots on the side of the screen and of course the dog exists to and you can get rid of the because of things only the dog can do. So guess that's one category of like things that only the dog can do, like get notification badgers and stuff. There are very times in history have been ways to sneakily get at those private aps and use them.

But of course, if you figure out how to do that, uh, you will not get into the APP store. So if I want to be the APP store, I can't do any of that, but that's about something much more basic. Uh, my little switch class plot thing can be on any edge of the screen, right? Uh, but I also want to know when the dock is on the same edge, so I can implement things of hiding when the dock, like if you, if you want the same edge is the dock and you make the dock appear.

I want my thing to hide itself so they don't conflict with each other. You know that everything right? I've got a preference, he says like hide on dog conflict in my settle screen or whatever.

Um but to implement that well what I have to know is something that i'm sure everybody who thinks about the three seconds like sure is an API for this. Which of the screen is the docker? Simple question.

You only have the three places, bottom, left and right. That's IT. Uh, I just wanted know, where's the dog? Uh, not only is there no A B I for that, but in some situations there is no way if you to figure that out. The way you can figure out sometimes is by comparing the available height of of the screen versus the full height of the screen because there's an API that will tell you here's the pixel you are able to draw in and it's attracts like the menu bar in the dark and you can figure out you can basically, I know the men, you bar us roughly this height uh, and if the height, if the remain is not what I think you should be IT.

Probably because the dock is down, they're taking up some part of so you can figure out where the dock is based on those API, which is a real round about way to do IT that makes you have to try to figure out how you're an estimate. The menu bar hype, which is not also a really good API for. And cc, look, I just want an answer with three possible.

You know, an API where a duck? Where is a duck? Tell me.

Left flight bottom? Just tell me. I thought I need to know, but now you didn't know. Match a math. But if they have the dog set to hide, then you can even do that because then IT says available pixel of them and I get the dog is hiding down there.

I have no to know is hiding down there because now the math doesn't work anymore because it's taking up zero space unless it's visible. So at any given point, if you try to do that math, you don't know where the dockets. But guess what? There is an A P, I for this.

It's just private and you can get out. And I failure how to get out. And this an API that says, where is the dock and he goes, you, where there is life? Rideable exactly what I wanted. Uh, but no, apple rejected my APP because I used that. A P I, yeah, obviously five feedback s and said, please give me an A, A so let me know where the dog is and they're going to do IT.

Uh, simple stuff like of that is maddening because back in the free APP store days, uh, you could just do IT if you could figure out do IT to ship IT and if they break that private A P I, well, you'll have to fix IT in your rap and teston baas and off. Tons of up to that. I think I was thinking about the the Christmas lights.

What is the name of that .

one that been gone around this or stiva or one of the things that does IT put Christmas lites on your dock. And when you're like mousse over the dock, if you have magnification, enable the case, lights move up along with the magnification. And I looked at that and I said, how are they figuring out what level of magnification is set to?

I know you can find a way to get that on the mac, but is that an A P. I that would be acceptable in the mac APP store? I don't know for a fact that they are using private s in plant that, but I think that that is not available.

The mac APP store, which makes me think they are doing something. It's a Christmas lights up, who cares? But I would be like, know you have on the mac APP store, you figured had to tell what the magnification is, set you on the docks as you can, set the magic ation at different levels still, right?

So you don't know, like you can track where the cursor is, but you have to know a that magnification is enabled and be how high is the main fiction able to they know how high to move the Christmas slights up as the Christian moves around. And it's just a fun little APP like that. Things like that can exist that the fact that things like can exist in the mac APP store is criminal.

Like I understand why they like, you know, we don't want to use private ideas, but I see there like allow people to do that or make A P I for that stuff right first in anyway, of course you say, well, why you distributed and thin on the mac APP store, uh, at all. Why should just do with the Christ's light APP then just sell on the website for me with my apps? They're worth more than zero dollars, but not much more.

They're not worth enough for me to run my own store. They don't make that kind of money, right? You know like so i'm kind of for me, the mac APP store is a boom because I can sell apps for pitons and not make too much money enough to worry about IT over.

But IT is frustrating to me and very often and i've thought about um having a version is outside the mac APP ad has more features uh and the final thing that i've talked about in the past is uh, my APP is like the docks and I wanted to feel the right look and I I quit apps and I couldn't do that. See the past step as somebody talked about this, I had to ship a non sandbox APP that you can download my website that communicates with my mac APP start APP to allowed you to quit apps. It's basically like the functionality that I couldn't chip to the mac APP store.

I shipped in a separate APP that I have to sneakily lead you to download if you know my website is. And once you have that, have installed my apple find IT and launched in the background so we can talk to IT to do the thing that I wanted to do. That's insanity. And it's entirely because apple will reject my APP if IT does what I wanted to do, which is be able to right like something it's like quit .

like you can on the dock.

It's really quite sad, marco.

I actually have much less to say here than john.

Oh, i'm surprised why it's solder short. They actually I I S I think.

but not much so so basically there .

there's a couple of reasons why you might want to do something that apple would reject. One of them, you know, a big one is something about money. Another big one is a category of that. They won't even allow the entire category of thinks stuff like porn or emulators previously that kind of stuff. Or another one is you john's thing of like.

I want to either use a private API or I want to use an API that is public, but use IT in a way that apple would reject them using IT, like quote, wrong, like an unintended way, like hy jacking the volume button for the camera shot, know that that kind of stuff. And so when I look at like what what I have thought about doing the cast over the years in the context of like types of apps, aren't our type of features they want allow. I've never really run into that kind of problem like I don't I don't want to make an animal leader or a gambling upper and that that's that's .

not really been a problem. And also what you also don't want to do, which is also totally for the IOS, is make I guess what you call like a system enhancement APP. Things like cooks over or switch glass, or like a thing like when you people need to jail break phones that like change notifications or the multi switch, like things that work at the system level that they are not an individual. You just want to change how the whole systems like multiple clip arts of people if we're trying to do on I S rever. And it's so clunk y because apple absolutely does not want you to make apps like that .

for the for exactly. So I I haven't learned to that. And so you know there I don't have an answer to anything like that. Now if you look into the you know the private A P I side um or the unintended A P I side, I have occasionally had ideas for features or implementation details that I have back away from I for IT what this idea was going a long time ago.

I had some idea that was like, you could you know, because I always like playing podcast while you walking my dog in all kinds of weather, including rain and snow and cold, everything i've had also sort of different ideas for, like how to remotely control the APP when the phone is in your pocket. And I ve tried things like using the excEllent meter to detect certain tap patterns, if you like, just walked the back of the phone that was even before they added the triple tap acbl. You can now do uh do that with um you know stuff at that and one idea I had was what if you what if like if you pause the podcast while it's paused, if you use the volume up and known buttons, maybe I can navigate through a spoken menu and you like.

yeah like, so no, i've had ideas like .

that over time where i've thought about the idea well. But then I they would probably reject that because i'm misusing the volume button or whatever .

like or the modern day, like the air poland, where you can shake yes or no yeah, apparently I bounced my head too much because every time I notification him, then I start hearing those little ticks like people, you know, when you get a message and IT says, like, do you want me to reply? You can shake your head left and right to say no, or up and down to say yes. And when you shake IT, what you hear in the airports is little dupe, dupe, dupe.

That sounds like like bees knocking around to let you know that it's sensing you are shaking. But whenever IT IT comes on and notifies me, i'm not shaking my head. I'm not trying to say yes or no, but already what was reading me, the message says you want me to reply is going because I to move my head around too much IT a trigger?

Yes, I I know, but IT is weird that I feel like these little rattle things are lose anyway. You can use that for like headshake gestures to control overcast. But oh, there is no apps for that, sorry.

Or the stuff like, you know, last last year, O S S watch O S nine or yeah whatever last year. O S is when they released the series nine watch that had the double tap gesture introduced.

I watch us nine because he was serious nine .

and the numbers never match. So anyway, yeah alright. So for the first year of the double tap gesture, the OS did not let third parties do anything good.

With that, all we all IT would do would be hit the first button on any notifications that would show up on our APP. Thanks a lot. You know, so all there were all these customer requesting hay.

Can you please make double tap play pause? And I couldn't do IT because there was no abi. I bet there were some kind of private notification name somewhere that was being posted that I could have responded to, but I wouldn't.

But you know, apple would definitely reject that. So there's been occasional things like that, but nothing really big. And then finally, like the other big area stuff, apple would probably reject that I would stay away from as material is money stuff.

So what could I do with money, your business model stuff that apple would most likely reject? And the only time i've ever really thought of something good here and IT wasn't actually good in the end, was I mentioned before I I briefly started asking around different pod casters. I knew if they're be interested in participating in what I would call like the the restabit of podcasts, like a throw back back to my indice aper days.

There was a competing up called retinue that was briefly involved with. They have a scheme where you'd like, you'd pay them. I think there was a twenty box amount or something IT would keep track of what articles you you saved to IT. And if you saved articles from sites that participated with them and that agree to their program, they would div up your nineteen books a month or whatever and list, like I will, you read five articles from the new york k times and five articles from USA today. Then we give you ten box in your time and ten back to a day, like that kind of thing that never really took off with retina ready, in large part because the publishers didn't really want to form agreements with them.

And I had the bright idea, why do I do this for podcast? And briefly forgot about that side of the, my idea was, what if, you know, overcast collects whatever IT is, ten, twenty, thirty books, amounts from people and divisive up to pay whatever podcast they listen to, you know, make an alternative revenue story for podcast. Apples thirty percent at the time cut would really eat into how that would look to people.

Because the ideas like I, if apples taking, if you're paying, you know, ten box a month, apples taking three of them over cash and probably take one for you to be able to pay for the add cost of the program and have any kind of revenue for me, then you're you're done forty percent down from your from your Price like your pay in ten box a month. And what's going to get debt up to poker stars is only six of IT like that's a crap selling proposition. Um so that's mainly what kept me from from moving forward with the and then of course, the second problem with that is that no podcasts wants to do IT, but that's the second d problem ever. Turns out people don't like you getting in the way between them and their customers and their money. They know nobody likes that.

I want another middle ty taking a cut, right?

And I can't blame them because you know what we won't like. If that was us, we wouldn't do IT there. I can't blame and that's that's the biggest reason I didn't do IT anyway.

So i've had over the years a few bad ideas for things that probably would have not worked. The only thing the only time I came close was um a few years back overcast briefly had for maybe a year. I forget how long I did IT.

I had a feature where you could add a certain uh real tag if you do like a really equals payment in either your feed somewhere or in the shoots foreign individual episode. Um I would I would highlight that link in Green to indicate money. Of course, Greens s color of money.

So I would have ink in Green or in the interface of overcast. If you have one of those links, I would replace one of the buttons in the bottom of the airplane screen with a dollar sign button. And if you tapped that dollar sign, IT would just open whatever the year I was, that links.

So the idea was give people away in their podcasts or shown notes to link to something that gives them money, whether IT was a patron or their own membership program or whatever. Um and I ran this for about a year and I kept in lida s on like how many podcasts showed IT and how many times to be to people actually click on IT. IT was used very, very little.

And then this was right around the time when apple started getting up everybody's but trying to scrub up more services revenue and that this only started giving thirty signals a hard time. No, well, no, but I was. This was when they really ratted, that they started like looking around the couches so that this is the thirty seven signals with the hay.

I believe that was the big controversy of the time, like they were starting to get really aggressive with people having any kind of way to link out to anything that gave anybody else except them any money. And so even though overcast was not making any money from those at all, that was just literally, just like the publisher specify a link. And I do are people too, with a dar side. But because of all that stuff going on, IT spooked me and I didn't want .

to become the next story. And right .

and and so I knew that was a risk. And then I want I look at the numbers. And like, I didn't get that much traction, so I just quietly turned IT off one time I can sum update and no one's had anything because nobody was really using IT. But you know, that sounds like what i'm saying is I don't need more freedom and we should leave things the way they are because all the ideas I had to to go to do things that apple would like are actually a bad ideas also. And that is somewhat true.

But I think the spirit of of what jin is saying in the maximov l piece, which very good, is basically that, like there's a lot of software out there that never even sees a lot of day because people know that, well, this is close to the edge of the rules, but this is kind of maybe over the rules, you know, over the line. And so apple will probably reject this. So I won't even bother making IT an .

example from your business. Miles thing is the thing you didn't even mention because we've all just spend so institutionalize ed to reference to sushi redemption upgrade pricing. We just don't even talk or think about that is not because we don't want to do IT, because we just know what we just know that against the rules. So accepting of the walls that were in what you're talking about, those things that like all that, maybe you're on the edge or y're interesting ideas. Part of the reason what you're coming up, but this is like all to bad ideas that I want, they want do is because a bunch of proof and ideas like upgrade pricing are just flat out forbidden ten. And there's no way to do them sensibly and we just don't discuss them and don't talk about them and don't don't like say I was a thing I wish I could trip, but I can't because it's like what everybody knows you can to update prising upgrade pricing doesn't need in work is not sustainable, unlike the astor mol would just totally sustainable. So now we all have descriptions.

even bond that like there are so many features that like, yeah, I did have some pretty bad ideas for how to use the volume buns. And I did have a pretty bad idea of how I could let pod casters get a little bit more money somehow.

But I knew so soon into me, into thinking of them, I knew apple wouldn't permit them probably, or they would cause problem for me, that I dropped them before, even tried to develop them into something that we could have been Better, and that I think the the real loss here, yeah, you have problems where where apple start shaking down somebody to get more money. Because what's very clear to all of us is that apple really needs more money there, there having some hard times over there. And they really, they need our help to get through these hard times.

So there always going to be stories like that where apples be in a jerk to somebody because they they need, they need other money. Of course, that's just today's apple. That's the kind of people they are and that's the kind of people that tim, tim cook, this is what is apple is they've decided that is the kind of people that they are and that they want to be.

So you know what good for you, tim, we're really happy for but the real harm that's done is in all, all those ideas out there that people talk themselves out of even trying because yeah, some of them are bad, but not all of them. Some of them have have promised. Some of them could actually be good if they were allowed to develop and evolve.

So there there's this overall chilling effect on the ego system when we know that there's all this potential that could be really great. And but we kind of think like, well, apple probably wouldn't like that, are probably wouldn't allow that. So we don't even try we as the developers who would make that kind of thing or not.

The only people losing value here, so are apple's customers. And so as apple, I hope someday when they get new leadership, that maybe they reconsider this stance because IT isn't just about the the you know the the dimes and dollars are they going to make on commissions or or possibly miss out on on commissions. Um it's about the ecosystem and the useful ness of their devices and the software that can rather devices and the way people can use their devices.

Having more software and more types of software and more business models for a software has huge benefits to the entire ecosystem of that platform, which they make tons of money from in lots of other ways, chiefly the sales of the hardware and their super expensive storage service, storage devices. So they have lots of reasons to have a healthy software ecosystem that has less of their own filtering, keeping things from being made and IT isn't just about trying to make sure you you get your thirty percent of every time that somebody spends a Candy crush. It's so much more complicated than that previous apple leadership that light computers would understand that little bit Better. Um but that's not gna happen with current apple leadership. And it's a shame because IT does overall limit the software that can run on their products and therefore limit the useful ness of their products.

I can even blame some of my words on the I O S side of the fence because I mean, you may be thinking, what was the problem on the mac? You don't have to be in the mac up. That's why you got the Christmas like so you complaining, oh, you can push your apps.

You can put these A P S in your apps on the mac up, not being the back APP star a as I mentioned, like they're running your own payment processing and everything is a little bit of a pain that you need some mini amount of money the apps are going to make to make that worthwhile and does not really make sense for my apps. So whatever. But setting that aside, um if uh apple allowed actually allowed and not just like fought tooth and now not to allow, despite government asking into um more competitive uh ways to distribute software on their big platform.

I O S, that would make IT more possible for there to be competition for the mac APP store. Now there is competition for the mac APP store. There are companies like paddle and there was cogging back in the day and stuff like. But the the problem is that the mac is not where the show is now its its tiny compared to the phone. So in order for a third party company to compete with a mac APP store, IT basically needs to be a company that can sell phone apps, ipad apps, oh yeah, maybe also mac apps, right?

If it's just the company that just basically does what the mac APP store does, but not by apple, that's a tough business to be in, which is why the choices for me as very small time developer with some thinky apps as like the mac APP store is basically the best fit for me. And so my apps are worse because my options for selling them at the volumes that i'm able to sell my binky apps make the mac apps that are the best choice. And IT has the worst rules for distributing stuff.

If apple alowed competition on its phone platform IT, could the companies that would grow up around that actual good big companies that are not constantly being beat down by apple. And i'll talk about that future shows. Just if there was actual real open competition for stores that could distribute things to the iphone, surely those companies would also sell ipad apps and probably eventually mac apps because they build all this infrastructure to be a developer and distribute to their store in bobbi blaw. And their rules would be more open than apples, and they would take a smaller cut than apples because of the magic competition. And then maybe I would have an option that is as easy for me as the act APP store, uh, but allows me to do things, find out what side you screen the dog on.

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I'm on the precipice and i'm scared I about to tell me a TV .

enter or something like what's given?

No, no, no, no. Well, will see how sunday goes, right? No, what's going on is so i've been working well. I started by kicking this cam on the road repeatedly over summer time and early fall, and on almost at the point of delivering on something. Have been working on for call sheet for court awhile.

So my biggest, maybe not the, but certainly one of the top three biggest requests I get is to be able to have multiple lists of pins. So caution has the ability to pin movies, TV shows or even people. So basically a way of favorite or saving harding, if you will, you know, just marking things as your favorite that gives you, among other things, quick access on the main discover screen and a forward.

A couple of the things as well. So a lot of people have been saying and justified ably, you know, this is great name, but I want one list for, perhaps, things I would like to watch in one list for things I have watched, or baby, another list for just my favorite, or whatever the case may be. And this was taking what you can think of as a single database table and blowing IT into two database tables.

And for what it's worth, the actual database in question is not equal eh. It's it's cloud kit, which i've actually had pretty good experiences with. Its not um core data in the cloud or whatever. The current flavor of that if got the actual name of IT, but it's just regular raw cloud kit and it's been generally speaking, pretty reliable. I written what i'm actually pretty proud of as they can run in two cloud kit.

It's pretty simple um it's pretty simple for me to use where I need to use IT um which I really like and IT takes IT kind of abstracts away a lot of the complexity, which is obviously great. But I really feared doing this because now i'm changing the wings of the airplane while in the air, right? Because i've already deployed the cloud kit schema the the way the database looks to I cloud and in to do this, I need to change the schema.

And this is something that the right. So this is something that apple afford to you to do. But this, oh no, that uga said, is exactly why I said i'm going to do that this summer.

And then I had a busy summer with like life things, everything's fine, but everything's great. In fact, about IT. I busy summer for with life things, okay, i'm going to do IT early this fall.

And then I had, you know, the return to school. And all of that isn't, you know, the kids return to school and busy life. And so hopefully before the end of the year, i'm happy to report that once I finally, like, forced myself, no, really, you need to stop kicking this can, and just breaking, do IT.

So once I SAT down to really just do IT, I didn't need a great action, although I was wondering in if I was getting to that point. Um I didn't need a great action. And IT took a couple of weeks to do the heavy lifting.

And you know, while after that kind of clear everything, as is always is, less twenty percent takes at least as long the first eighty percent. And IT is in test flight right now. And at the moment, i'm not really looking for a new test light um users. So please appreciate your offer, but no thank you.

But i'm at the point where really I should probably just shift IT and I am so freaking scared and I probably shouldn't be because one of the things I had to do, and one of the only things I kind of buns me out about cloud kid, is that in order to push IT to test light, I needed to actually push the schema change to production. So this schema is live in production right now. The good news is IT was all additive, so my cloud kit facade just ignored or didn't even look at anything.

Or the ship version of the APP doesn't look at any of this new data. It's completely ignored. It's never requested.

It's just sitting there out the either. And it's I don't think anyway, it's not hurting anything. But that, first of all, was super frequent scary.

I really wish I could said to test flight. I could have told test flight, use the development new ee cloud schema for test flight users. And so I don't have to actually push IT to production yet, but I very push the scheme of to production.

And i've had at least a handful of people trying IT on tesla light and IT seems like that's going okay, which is really impressive because one of the things I had to do as part of this was, if you think about the way the database was laid out with the currently shipping version of of all sheet, it's expected a database that is just one table that the name of the pin and what the unique identifier is of that pin and what whether it's a movie or show or a person, what not, may be a couple of other supervise things, but not much else. Where's now? What I needed to do was add a column to that, which is, what list is this pain a part of? And then a whole new table, that is, what are all the list? And that means that what do you need to do when you upgrade or when the new version of all he gets installed that can talk a multiple.

This one of the things you need to do is a database migration and not really a database migration, but you need to do a data migration. So you need to add a entry to the table that represents all the list that is pin items. As I think what I call LED IT by devlin.

And then you need to edit or modify update, I guess strictly speaking or right turn forward, you need to update all of the rows in the existing pin column and say, oh, there are part of that list, the pinned item list and so far the handful dat data esters I have IT seems like it's working. I'm knocking furiously on my desk. I see that, but IT seems fine.

But I have watched marco in particular, many friends as well do this enough to know that, especially because I haven't had like a catastrophe failure for my test batch yet, my test group yet shortly. I'm missing something and i'm so scared to actually push this out even though again, the scheme is there. It's just submitting the APP to upper view and then you know presume we it'll get through and that in then hitting go even knowing that I can do the incremental roll out, which I do every time just for safety sake. I'm so schedule. I'm so I like you shouldn't .

on the photos team and apple because if someone if someone lost had a had a data loss event and they lost their pint items and called, it'd be annoyed. Maybe you get some complaints. But in the grand scheme of thing, one losing the access to their photos is or their health data yeah, that's just that could be so much worse.

I mean, imagine changing the file system alive flight on the first.

all of this, the fastest time as I can. All your data that want, I am not restricted to just losing your photos.

I can load all. But you know, i'm saying and I am, I don't know. I guess i'm half looking for you to to say it'll OK just do IT. And i'm half saying letting people look at what what I flash we go through as developers is this is so scary. And I agree with your whole home heartedly, john, that ultimately, if people lose their list of panza a kind of things, but is that can hurt, you won't know .

it's an added change to a low volume, low stake, static collection. It's pretty much the best cases of first attempted doing migration. The only thing you have against you is that your force use that will because they do mysterious things that you don't control, you don't have the source code for or whatever, which is part of why market as everything himself as the least knows, then if you screw up, it's not something that he did.

Oh yeah, I mean, I like I think the the chAllenge that that you face with cloud kit is that you are in very little control of that infrastructure. So like you know, if if you are running your own server, which you should not do, please, for the love of god, don't do that. I try.

I would love take my servers please know like this. Like I would love to get rid of my servers anyway. Um so if you are running your own servers though, you control every part of that. So like if you are just add a column to a table in my sequel, you just you know you know alter table pins I have you pin book in beans, default, default, no or defaulted.

Then everyone has everyone has a com column, know a pink list zero and you're set and you're done like that is almost something you have to do and then just build up the stuff on the client side that talk to IT um doing out on cloud kit. Theoretically that should be fine um but if it's not, the first of all is difficult to test and then it's difficult to like try things out and then it's difficult to know what to do if IT goes wrong because it's not in your control. That is the trade off you make when you use someone else.

The server side inflections, like when you're using when you're not running your own servers, you're using some kind of like managed hosting service of some kind. That's what that's the trade off that you're making. Now the advantages, if you know in some time in the midst of you of next year, when know years a year after you have written this code and it's just running out there in the wild, if cloud could have some data and break, you're gonna some meal, but it's not really your thing to fix.

Like fixing IT is not on you. IT becomes your problem to your customers and that know depending on how how bad of a problem is you, you could regret that down the road. But IT isn't your job to get up in the middle night and fixed that server when a breaks.

It's apple's job. And they have people to do IT for you with thanks to all of our thirty percent because they really, they really need your thirty percent to keep to keep those people, those those starving server admins, they they need to keep them fed. But you know, the thing is like what you're doing here is a timely answer, lary function of the APP.

And what you're doing here is adding a column for which the previous version of the APP, as long as they can continue reading and writing. To the schema. So I assume some kind of kind of like a default value for the on as long as that's not breaking, this seems like a pretty low stakes migration.

You're not like moving that, like rearranging the whole arrangement of the data of the table. You not like like you're not changing IT to a whole different table for throwing all of people's pins. Like this seems like a pretty safe one to do. So I think you'll be okay. And .

intellectually, I know you're right, ability of you are right, but it's so scared, so scared to actually do IT .

anything goes wrong. You can put put out a bug fix update really quickly, right?

I I don't have to wait for anyone to approve that or anything like that. Um no, I mean, all kidding aside, the good news is that I can do the incremental rolled out ever apple calls where I think it's something like they do one percent on the first day in five more percent on the next day and then like I forget what IT where IT goes after that. But basically over the course of a week is when they start offering the update to people.

And I think we've covered this on the show before. But if you know in update is available and IT hasn't been offered to you, generally speaking, if you do an actual search for that apps, if you search for cautious on the apps store, for example, and then if you have to go all the way into the details, it's not enough to go seat on the search results. You have to drill into the details for college or whatever, maybe.

And then usually what you'll see happen is the open button will magically turn into an Operator up data, whatever button, if you want to, kind of jump the cure a little bit. But in any case, I can do this, roll out so, you know, one, five, ten percent or whatever the numbers are over time. And I think I would find out reasonable quickly like, oh, you you're junk as all so my god, no, you need to stop the role out and do something to fix IT.

And so like, again, intellect, I think IT will be fine and IT shouldn't be an issue, but it's just scary. And it's i've used cloud kit a touch in the past but not a ton. And this is the first time i've done any sort of migration or scheme change anything like that.

And so i'm scared of IT and I I need to just do IT. I'm going to give IT, I think, a few more days and test fully to see I get any feedback that's worth investigating or changing or what not. But hopefully sometime next week and certainly before Christmas, unless something weird happens, I hope to have this out in done. And then after that we will see what I get into next. I have some thoughts, one of which includes running a very small server.

which we will talk about the future.

But well, what we can talk about IT another the time. But I think you, I think you would agree with this one use case because it's very, very, very simple. But what will bigger about another time?

Unless if it's push notifications, then definitely want to server because that is something like IT was really I find that kind of sad. How many like services businesses there have been launched over the years that try to sell to developers the ability to send significations because it's so easy to send them and it's it's like it's so incredibly low resource usage, like it's so easy and cost nothing to send. Push unification. And there got IT paints me when I see people like, you know paying some absurd Price to do IT saying .

the thing notifies you and movie comes out, I will get on a job in the back and just to serve IT just has to watch the list of movies is finite and there's IT could be many of people interested in one movie, but your one movie comes fictions that everyone is interested makes sense.

See what you're saying is in the middle. You said just on a server that's a pretty big just, I know.

But like you said, for push, for push notifications that gets you out of the business of worrying about how you're going to run the back, like running in the background ever one's phone to they're all checking some popular and movies coming out. This is one server of the year running, checking one time. It's so much more efficient in terms of resources and usage is just like IT IT makes so much more sense. Yeah I don't know.

I I I have alternate plans for that specifically which marked when I discuss the past um which again, I don't want to get into that now already running a little bit long but we can talk the future for sure I can't write um but in any case, I have a use case for server that I think you both will prove of and we can maybe .

i'll talk about that next year a well actually what .

i'm talking about doing that is potentially possible. But the big problem that is I know in principle what lamp on AWS means. I have zero experience with IT and don't truly understand IT. So maybe but maybe that will be next weeks after shows. We can talk about that, but one way another, wish me luck.

god's been.