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The Most Confusing Rally of All Time (EP.410)

2025/4/30
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Ben Carlson
一位专注于投资教育和策略的金融专家,通过博客和播客分享投资见解。
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Michael Batnick
作为 Ritholtz Wealth Management 的管理合伙人和研究总监,Michael Batnick 是一位知名的投资专家和播客主持人。
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Michael Batnick: 我对最近股市的反弹感到困惑,我认为这没有道理。虽然我通常认为市场是正确的,但我认为这次的反弹与基本面脱节。这次反弹与2020年疫情期间的反弹不同,因为政府这次没有出手救援。我认为未来盈利、情绪和估值可能会受到影响。 我关注到上周出现的Zweig breadth thrust指标,这表明市场可能已经触底。然而,我们尚未看到关税的全部经济影响,因此我对这一数据持保留态度。 我认为,如果经济衰退真的发生,股市将再次测试低点。在市场波动时期,卖出容易,买入难。当前的反弹可能是熊市反弹,投资者应该避免情绪化交易。未来的市场波动可能源于白宫的声明或经济数据,糟糕的财报也可能导致市场波动。 我认为,大型科技公司可能能够更好地应对关税的影响,但关税对实体经济的影响可能大于对股市的影响。负面情绪可能比实际经济影响更严重。如果投资者在几周前感到恐慌,那么目前的市场反弹是一个降低风险的好机会。 我认为,人们对经济衰退缺乏经验,这可能会导致对未来经济衰退的过度反应。5月或6月的数据将是判断经济状况的关键。我承诺不会持续预测经济衰退,我们将关注每周的数据。 Ben Carlson: 我认为股市的下跌是有道理的,但这次反弹我不理解。我认为这次股市反弹是基于对政府政策会改变的希望。即使股市反弹,关税的影响仍然存在,并且对实体经济的冲击可能比股市反映的更大。 股市并非完全愚蠢,受关税影响较大的行业表现不佳,而受影响较小的行业表现较好。市场正在暂时忽略关税问题。市场情绪的转变(从恐慌性抛售到恐慌性买入)暗示着市场可能已经触底,但未来盈利、情绪和估值可能会受到影响。 市场变化速度可能比以往更快,因此以往的经验可能不再适用。股市可能正在等待经济衰退的出现,如果经济衰退真的发生,股市将再次测试低点。在市场波动时期,卖出容易,买入难。当前的反弹可能是熊市反弹,投资者应该避免情绪化交易。 对冲基金正在抛售股票,而散户投资者则在买入,对冲基金的抛售可能是由于风险限制,而非恐慌性抛售。一些投资者正在利用市场波动进行投机性交易。投资者对市场波动的反应各不相同,有人选择保守,有人选择激进。投资者应该根据自身情况和风险承受能力进行投资,而不是盲目跟风。 年轻一代投资者比以往更愿意承担风险,千禧一代投资者对风险的态度发生了转变,从之前的风险规避到现在的风险偏好。投资者类型和时间范围的多样性使得对市场行为的解释多种多样。“死猫反弹”没有明确的量化定义,其持续时间通常较短。 我认为,经济波动比市场波动更重要。只要人们有工作,他们就会继续消费。我认为,人们对经济衰退缺乏经验,这可能会导致对未来经济衰退的过度反应。如果经济衰退真的发生,人们的反应可能会比实际情况更剧烈。 一位小型企业主: 关税对小型制造企业的负面影响巨大,导致裁员和生产放缓。许多小型企业正面临困境,这可能会导致经济衰退。 Colin Roche: 认为需要彻底改革经济体系的观点是经济学上的无知。 Neil Dudd: 近期经济数据的强劲可能部分是由于提前消费行为。 Torsten Slack: 由于航运、卡车运输和货架空置等问题,到2025年夏季可能出现经济衰退。

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On episode 410 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick) and Ben Carlson) discuss: a wild month of stock market performance, bear market rallies, a shift in tariffs, Amazon fighting back, an update on earnings, thoughts on conferences, a new Netflix recommendation, and much more!

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