Ep. 736: Disneyland party of seven; Sleeping Beauty and Vampira
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You're listening to Mousetalgia for the week of February 2, 2025. Hang on to them hats and glasses, cause this here is the wildest podcast in the wilderness. This is Mousetalgia. Carpe Kingdom, seize the magic.

Welcome to Nostalgia, your podcast about Disneyland, Disney history, and living the Disney life. My name is Jeff, and I am going to be your host this week. We have all kinds of stuff. Well, not all kinds of stuff. I'm going to try to tie it together. I do have a lot of things in my brain, but I'm going to try to pull them together for you and keep it short.

Keep it straightforward this week. It is the anniversary of Sleeping Beauty, which was launched January 29, 1959. So we'll be talking about that a little bit, just a little bit. I know I've talked about Sleeping Beauty many times on Nostalgia and probably always will, especially this week.

which is special to me for a couple of reasons. Sleeping Beauty is my, I think my favorite Disney animated film, for sure. My favorite Disney animated classic. My first ever production cell that I purchased for my collection was from Sleeping Beauty, a beautiful cell of Briar Rose with her nose up as she dances without care in the woods. It's a

gorgeous cell. That was my first animation cell ever purchased. So before we talk any more about Sleeping Beauty, I do want to remind you that Mousetalgia is brought to you each and every week by Mouse Fan Travel. So MEI, Mouse Fan Travel, is your fee-free Disney travel agency, Disney travel destination to get you the answers you need and quotes on Disney trips, whether you want to take a trip

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The Mousetalgia Charcuterie. And I'm going to just talk to you about a recent purchase I made. And I think I alluded to this on the last show. And I talked about how I had ordered, I believe I talked about this. Maybe I'm thinking of another podcast. But I ordered an autograph by Ron Howard on my podcast.

Haunted Mansion LP. So Ron Howard is making the convention rounds, I think, shortly, maybe next week or maybe in a couple of weeks, sometime soon, he's going to be at a convention, I think, in Florida. I should have known this before I did the show. But either way, he's going to be there with his brother Clint and his daughter Bryce, and they're appearing in their variety of

and purposes for being at a pop culture convention, but they'll all be there. And he's starting to do autographs and things. And so official pics, which is an autograph and talent agent, or not a talent agency, but there are representing celebrities in terms of autographs and photo ops and that kind of thing. So official pics are,

is doing a private signing with Ron Howard. Um, I think it's closed now and you can go to official pics and they might have some signed photos that you can still order maybe from his work. Um, on solo. I think there's a picture of him like in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon or something that you can buy signed. Um, cause he, of course, Ron Howard directed solo, one of his many, many directorial efforts. Right. But I of course wanted him to sign my honor mansion records. He recorded when he was just a kid before even American graffiti. Um,

somewhere between Opie and American graffiti was the Haunted Mansion record. I believe pretty sure. Yeah. So, um, I did send that off to official picks. They have it. I don't have it back. Should get it signed, should get it signed and back sometime in the next month or so. We'll see. I'll let you all know. Um, I sent in an album cover that I had had Pete Renaday sign also. So it will have Pete as the ghost host and then Ron Howard as Mike, um, and

and so kind of excited about that. Well, here's my charcuterie news. So it turns out, uh,

I did meet another kind of an autograph hound slash pop culture autograph procurer, I guess you could say, or autograph collector for clients, right? So he will tell you, I'm going to have a signing with this person. You can pre-order autographs or you can send me your stuff and I'll take it all there and get it signed and then get it back to you. So he was also doing the same convention. So I thought, you know what? And he charged a little bit less than official picks.

So I thought, I think I'm going to try this guy out because he has impeccable references. It's not like I had any doubt that this was a real thing. Since I had a record going out that has Pete's autograph on it, I decided not to send one of my other two signed copies.

albums that have Pete's autograph. And instead I sent out the brand new copy of the album that came with the 40th anniversary box set. I don't know if you all remember that. I think that was the 40th anniversary when they released kind of a box set. I worked on the artwork for that. You might remember that story from Nostalgia. Very proud of that. So I took that album out of the shrink wrap. And here's a little note for you all that collect things. If you get things that are shrink wrapped, I know the tendency is to like want to keep it mint in shrink wrap, but

Be careful of what that thing is. Record albums, especially like they don't really love shrink wrap. Like shrink wrap is has tension and there's just a cardboard album around that record. Right. So sometimes it's great. Sometimes, you know, I don't know. I suppose if I'm buying an unused mint record, it may be more appealing if it's still in the shrink wrap. Although people can very easily reshrink wrap things. It's really not a magic answer to anything. But your item will probably be happier out of the shrink wrap.

So, um, I'm just saying for those of you that collect toys and things in cardboard boxes and cardboard containers, maybe think about that at any rate, more than 10 years later to get out of the shrink wrap and that's fine. And, um, put in a box and mailed it off. So this guy who is the autograph obtainer, his name is Dominic Giordano jr. And he has a Facebook page called cool toys and games and cool with a K. So cool toys and games on Facebook, you can go find him. And he, uh,

was actually hosting a private signing with Ron that he was going to just drive there and take the stuff himself to go see Ron. So I guess he had some kind of a either. And I mean, when you go look at his site, you can see that he does this kind of thing regularly. So he, um, send him my record. He took it. I got to see the pictures of the finished product. I had Ron sign his name in yellow paint pen on the cover. It's kind of a very busy, complicated cover, uh,

The Haunted Mansion record. And I'm not sure if I'm, you know, I had him sign it in yellow paint pen. Not sure if I'm glad for that or not, but it's there. Like, you know, it's a nice autograph. And the other one, I think I'm having him sign in silver. So we'll see which one comes out best, but I'm just super happy. Like, and I got a picture of him signing it.

And this is all stuff that official picks doesn't really offer you because they're a much bigger organization. So I'm super happy about that. And I just wanted to kind of throw a plug out there for Dominic and his, his Facebook page, cool toys and games. Cool with a K over on Facebook. And, you know, if you're in the, in the market for, you know, he has some Disney stuff, some star Wars things. And he told me that he's got a new client, which,

Which is one of the Gamorrean guards from Return of the Jedi that he'll be doing signings with. And he's always doing this stuff and selling things and signings. So go check that out if you're interested in either getting a Ron Howard piece. I don't know. It might be too late for you to special order a Haunted Mansion Ron Howard piece. Or a Haunted Mansion...

Like we all, of course, we all know that Ron Howard is like the OG Haunted Mansion record star, right? But as his fandom goes, Haunted Mansion is not a big part of Ron Howard's career. So you're not likely to just randomly find these autograph collectors going out and buying Haunted Mansion records to get Ron Howard to sign them. So I don't know if you'll have any luck with Haunted Mansion stuff.

But he's done other, you know, solo. So there's other Disney related things. And maybe you're just a Ron Howard fan. Like he's done a little bit of everything. Right. So cool toys and games. Here you leave today to hear a podcast from the world of yesterday, tomorrow and fantasy. The Magic.

All right. So let's talk. Let's see. This week, we're going to talk about going to Disneyland with young children because it's been a while since we've done that. And one of my good friends has just returned from Disneyland with her family. So I just thought it would be fun to talk to her about what worked, what didn't work, get another trip report from a young family that

might be something that's worth listening to. For amusement's sake, if you've had a family or children, or for usefulness sake, if you are in that situation and might be taking a trip sometime soon. I'm still out.

All right, up next, we have a very special guest, my friend Violet. Violet, thank you for joining me on Nostalgia. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. So Violet has told me or reminded me, although I didn't remember this, but she told me our first communication was in 2003. So Violet, I think you are currently my last

longest existing internet relationship. You know what? I'm so sorry. I definitely had a doom buggies email and I was very proud of it. I said, yeah, it's a skull at doom buggies.com. That's super awesome. So yeah, I, um, I,

I'm glad to finally, what is it, 22 years later, have you on Mousetalgia to talk about your family, your beautiful family and your trip to Disneyland. So we're going to talk a little bit about people that travel to Disneyland with their families. Because I've been doing, through the course of Mousetalgia for the past 15 years, everyone's heard my family start young and become 18 and 13 year olds. And now we take basically adult trips. And it's, time is...

Such a crushing thing sometimes. So but I am excited to hear about your experiences currently. So you went for the holidays to Disneyland with your family, right? It was kind of a challenge accepted trip a little bit. All right. So who challenged you?

Well, you know, sometimes you get an idea of what is the most difficult, ridiculous thing you could imagine doing and then deciding to try it. So, you know, you put things off and you put things off and you're like, wait, I could do this. It would require a lot of effort, but.

Can I do this? We could do this, right? Do you know what I mean? Where you're actually like, is this actually possible? Do people actually do this? Could I do this? And then all of a sudden you find you've caught yourself in some inertia and you're

Driving a minivan with seven people, 24 hours. Holy cow. Okay, so we have to hear about this for sure. First, let me back you up a little bit. So you're authentic Disney. So I know you've been a cast member. You grew up a Disney fan. Tell me a little bit about your Disney history. Well, I think I've been watching Disney movies since I was very, very young. I mean, grandparents at Christmas and we're in Canada, always watching.

catching every release as it came out in the theater. And then my first Disney Parks experience was 1997. I went to Walt Disney World and that was actually when it was still MGM Studios and before we had the Animal Kingdom.

And then I was able to go on trips throughout my early teens when I was 12 and 14 and 16. I think I was 14 when I went to Disneyland for the first time. So I was very, very fortunate. My dad worked in the States, so he often was able to take us with him when he was working and we'd be able to go on trips to the parks because we

I mean, it is a once-in-a-lifetime trip to be able to go to the parks, and I was very fortunate to be able to do it multiple times. And that was why my dad was working in the States from Canada. I love what you just said. This is maybe going to be my new tagline. Like, nostalgia should be all about this. A trip to a Disney park is always a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I don't care who you are. But some of us are lucky enough to get to do it again and again and again and again and again. But that's really...

I mean, I don't want to get philosophical, but that was kind of an amazing thing to say. So, okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, though. No, thank you, Jeff. I could talk about Disney. I watched the old movies a lot with my mom growing up because she didn't quite like doing things in the standard way. I remember Darby O'Gill and those little people. Like, if somebody knows that movie, then it's like friends on, right? Oh, you and Christian could battle. We should set it up. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I was like shocked when I found The Happiest Millionaire. Like that was, I only saw that movie for the first time like 10 years ago. And Fortuosity is like the theme song to my life. And the fact that it's at the parks, I'm like, this is just a beautiful thing. But you know, you have to be very specific when you ask Siri to play Fortuosity. You say like Tommy Steele or she can't do it. It's just, she can't find it. Yeah.

But anyway, like just super nerd. Like when I worked at the Disney store, I think two out of three years I did the cast member trivia contest. I won, right? Like I hosted Disney trivia on my YouTube channel for a little while because I just, I loved getting into the details and I wanted to know everything about it. And you know how, when you get into something and you,

You know all the details, you know all the intricacies, and you want to know more and more and more. So whenever I went to the parks, it was like, can I find the hidden Vickies? Or what is the story behind this character? I loved following the stuff he did on the Hatbox Ghost, because you were talking about it for years on DoBugging.com. Yeah. Just like, I'm sorry, Jeff, but very, very, very nerdy Disney nerd character.

I worked as a Disney Store key holder and then an assistant manager and then a store manager. So for a period of time I did have a silver pass and I did quite a few trips about around the 60th anniversary. Just take advantage of that and then a maternity leave ended and shortly thereafter I went back to school to get my education degree.

And then all the stores closed in Canada. So I actually left just in time to make that transition without having it be a very harsh one. I don't know. It was pretty sad when they all closed. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's pretty sad here, too. There's a couple. There's a couple around, but it's kind of hard to find them. Well, OK, so you have your bona fides laid out there. I think we have reason to listen to your opinions about Disney. So let's talk about your latest trip to Disneyland. So you must own a van if there's seven of you.

Or did you have to rent a van? No, we traded in my little car for a minivan because I had a baby this year. It was baby number five. So I have a 13-year-old, a 10-year-old, an eight-year-old, a two-year-old, and a six-month-old. And...

the 13 year old got to go on a couple of trips but the rest of them had never been to the parks before and just after the pandemic I promised my son and daughter they're 10 and 8 now that we would go but I guess my kids had my son had trouble listening to instructions and we live on an acreage and he'd like wander off and I'm like look I can't take you

to California if you're going to wander off. So we're going to wait until you're a little bit more mature. And in the meantime, I had my two-year-old and my baby and I'm like, well, this is just getting more and more difficult. A pro tip though, this is, this is my, maybe my only tip, but, um,

I actually got air tags for all my kids and I put them in secret locations on their persons that they didn't know about. And that was very useful when people wander off, you can just ping an air tag and they'll lead you right to them. So it was good because you know that panic when you lose track of someone. Yes, absolutely.

No panic. I know exactly where you are. Excuse me. What are you doing waiting at the exit to Space Mountain or whatever, right? Yeah. And we only actually had to use it twice. But the fact is all the kids had air tags on them. So if something terrible happened, it's just good for peace of mind. That was cool. That's a really good tip. Like, look at you out at the gate with your tips. All right. So...

you had told your kids, we're going to, we're going to do this. We're going to Disneyland five kids. Wow. There's going to be a, I didn't, we didn't tell them actually. Oh, you did it. It was a surprise.

We told them we were going to Cerro Gordo. It's an abandoned mining town. And it's about 20 hours away. It's like for Christmas, we're going to a ghost town because my husband's super into ghost towns and gold panning and silver panning. He's like, this is so cool. And my son was like, this is great. We're going there. And then when we got to, we stayed at

Best Western Stovall's, my daughter, my aunt was like, oh, is that Disneyland over there? I wish we were going to Disneyland. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess this hotel, I mean, we have Best Western points. We had to get the hotel here. I mean, darn. Yeah.

Holy cow. You carried that all the way. That's pretty good. Like we can't, my kids kind of know the Disneyland route, like soon as we get on the freeway. So we kind of had to, we did, our last trip was also a surprise for our two 13 year olds. My, my wife has a 13 year old son and I have a 13 year old daughter. And so we kind of inherited that.

twin-ness when we got married. And so they haven't been there a little while. We take them pretty, they're kind of spoiled. Like at least every year they get to go to Disneyland, but they hadn't been there in a while. And so we also kind of lied, but it didn't last much more than 10 minutes into the trip. So you made it all the way to the hotel and the next morning even? Well, cause it was Christmas day. We actually went right all the way to Anaheim and we're like, yeah, this hotel is supposed to be the church we want to go to for Christmas Eve service.

As soon as we got out of the vehicle, because we basically drove straight. It was like 22 hours and we took shifts. We took turns. Took turns sleeping and whatever. It was great. But we got to the hotel. First thing we did was throw the kids in the pool, which do not do. Second tip, the pools are cold. And if you've been driving and throw your kids into the pool, there's a good chance one of them will have an eardrum that bursts. We went to emergency. Oh, no. And we went to church. Wow. Yeah.

My daughter was fine the next morning, but we had a good start to the trip. So don't throw your children into cold pools. Okay. Second tip. Go in slowly. Yeah. Okay. That was fun. So Christmas Day was when you went to Disneyland. Wow. Yes. That's a great Christmas Day. All right. So let's hear about this trip. Let me first ask you this. Okay.

Tell us about the reward of, or maybe not, like I suspect this is a reward, but about having kids that are old enough to kind of express wonder at being at Disneyland for their first time. So two things. First thing would be, this is something that was a surprise. So there was no room for any kind of

complaining or fear like they were so game for everything because it's Christmas day and we're in Disneyland so I was I had like very very um happy campers they were really really excited really excited to do things and um

They just bought in. Right. So they were really surprised. They totally bought in and like nothing could take them off the path. Like my daughter had an ear infection and she was, she was fine by the morning, but she'd already forgotten. Right. Like the turnover really, really, really fast. Yeah. Um,

Oh my gosh. I would say if you can pull off a surprise visit and it's the first visit and they're that age, like you should definitely try because the thing is, is even kids, I know as adults, we do this, but kids can build things up in their brain and have all kinds of expectations and things. And sometimes that's good because if you have kids that really like to plan and be a part of that, I can see that. Like my oldest daughter, 13, she'd been when she was five and,

She was not cool with going to the mines for Christmas. She thought that was a terrible idea. She did not want to go to a ghost town. She wanted to stay home. I looked at her and I said, um,

well, or actually maybe doing something else, but you cannot tell your brother and sister. It's a surprise that she was in on it and built up going to the mines is this really exciting experience. Oh yeah. Maybe they have a special tour and maybe, you know, you can go see inside a mine and they'll let you see the cool equipment. You know, she, she was definitely selling it, which was very good. But yes, there is,

a little bit of play is really good because there is nothing they said no to right um there was nothing that wasn't totally awesome or exciting I remember my son went on the Matterhorn and like his mind was blown he went on the Matterhorn again he went he went out like three times and this is the best thing since sliced bread but never mind there's Space Mountain and then there's Rise of the Resistance like just everything so you know it's just like um

waking up somewhere else and it was absolutely wonderful. I would recommend keeping the surprise for like an eight and ten year old. That's just perfect. And I mean the two year old she won't remember so much but we got to see the Christmas Day Parade at Disneyland and I took her to Goofy's Kitchen on the day that I didn't on the third day and all the characters came to see her. I do have the most amazing pictures and

Minnie Mouse is her new person. She just loves Minnie Mouse. Wow. Yeah, I don't know if I answered that question at all. Oh, sure. Of course you did. I kind of feel like meeting characters with your kids...

So, you know, my daughters don't especially remember, but we have some of the funniest pictures. Like one of them just spit onto Chip's nose like he was holding her next to him. And she just kind of like it was this big round black thing right in front of her. And she just wanted to, like, bite that, you know. And so and we have these really hilarious pictures. She doesn't. So she thinks she kind of remembers that. But she probably more or less remembers the photo that we have looked at, you know, for all these years. But it's just like whether they actually remember or not, you can kind of see.

They form these bonds with Disney characters that are almost eerie, sort of. And it's weird how there's automatic love for these things that comes from somewhere. I suppose they're parents to some degree, but it's just...

There's Minnie Mouse. Exactly. Like, run over there and hug her. I mean, part of it's they're down there with their arms open, like, you know, come love me. But it's just amazing. So I concur with you. Yeah, that's something. How are your older kids? Like, are they beyond Disney? Are they Star Wars, Marvel people, too? Or is it mostly the Disney characters? They're pretty darn earnest. Okay.

Very, very game for everything. My eight-year-old daughter was in ballet and we made a switch and put her into hockey. And now she's like the most fierce hockey player with my brother or with her brother. So it's just the eight and 10 year old are very, very game. I know you've got

two 13 year olds. You say they're like twins, but my, my eight year old daughter's kind of tall and my 10 year old son's not so tall. So they always get confused as twins all the time. Right. They just, they run around quite the pack. So, um, no, they, they know Star Wars. I mean, we've seen everything. They know the Disney movies. Um,

And we did make it to Universal as well. So that was very exciting for them to go to Paul's meet. So yeah, that was a really, really big draw. We have this rule is they have to read the Chronicles of Narnia and then they have to read Harry Potter. That was like a precondition for trying to do any kind of trip because they actually have to understand. You can't really read Harry Potter until you've got some baseline morality and C.S. Lewis kind of locks it in. So that worked. Yeah.

That's super. With everything, there's a process. So like on our trip, I went to DisneyStore.com during the Friends and Family Sale. So you hit that up in November if you can. And I think it's 40% off. And I ordered some things to be at the hotel when we arrived. So we had some spirit jerseys. They're so expensive, but I got them on the Friends and Family Sale. So we were able to wear matching sweaters and shirts.

The bubble wand we got was on sale too, so that was great. We wore those and went to the park. We started in Fantasyland and Peter Pan went through the attractions, the teacups. We did Dumbo. We did Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. We actually did not do Snow White's Scary Adventure, but we started with Fantasyland, went through the castle and Small World and

Then we actually, where did we go? We did Adventureland next, Indiana Jones and Pirates of the Caribbean. So yeah, we started at the castle, hopped over to Adventureland and covered that. We actually didn't do the Tiki Room on the first day. It was pretty busy, but not as busy as I thought it would be. Like we got a lot done. We did not get the Fast Pass tour.

Lightning Lane. We just were using standard tickets. And we actually were able to hit everything with the three days that we were there, except for the tiki room, because it was closed when my husband wanted to take the three older kids. I actually went with the two younger ones. So we got to do it, but they missed the tiki room. Have you ever had people, you know, like kids

really sad because they missed the tiki room on the way back to Canada. We missed the tiki room. Well, that's probably less common for the ordinary families, the muggles, but it

Disney people. Yeah, I could imagine that. My daughters, they also love the tiki room. They have a... Well, I don't want to have a little sore spot with the tiki room right now since I sold my bird. But my daughters, they did get a proper appreciation of the tiki room having seen that bird around for years.

So, okay. So what were the, like, as far as attractions, what were the highlights overall for your kids?

Okay, so they loved the coasters, like Space Mountain and the Matterhorn were a big highlight. They loved Pirates. My daughter, she liked Rise of the Resistance, and I'm trying not to cross over to Universal here, but there was a couple things there that I really liked too, but at Disneyland,

The Matterhorn was a real hit with my family. My kids just won't stop talking about the Matterhorn. It's pretty funny. And the Incredicoaster, they thought that was pretty cool. My son, he did not like the Guardians of the Galaxy ride. Okay. And I didn't like it either. Or was it...

Anyways, half of us really liked it and half of us just like, no, thank you. I don't know. When you did the Bodhian's version, did you find it actually more stressful, the ride experience than the Tower of Terror? You mean the bouncing? Of course.

Yeah. Well, it just depends if you have if that lifting of gravity in your stomach bothers you, you're not going to like this at all. Like, that's all it is. Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce. So, yeah, it's it's different. I have come to the point in my life where I get so motion sick from spinning things that things go up and down. I've gained a new appreciation for the thrill of it. Like I can.

feel safe again. Like there was many years of my life where I didn't feel secure about that first drop on roller coasters or drop type things. And, um, the, the change in the technology, I don't know if they changed the technology much or at all, but the change of bouncing it around like that, um,

I was old enough to appreciate that feeling, so I like it. But I totally understand what you're saying, and my wife does not at all like that, and most of my friends do not. So I have a hard time finding people that will ride the Guardians of the Galaxy with me, because it's a taxing experience. It's fun, but...

At least I remember the Tower of Terror. Was it like two small drops and then the big one or something? Yeah. Okay. And Guardians, it's like, it just keeps going. I'm like, my stomach cannot do this anymore. I don't know. Definitely, the kids really liked the Matterhorn and Pirates and the Star Wars.

Not the Millennium Falcon ride. The Resonator Resistance was the one they really liked. Okay. They did that. That's pretty common. That's an overwhelming attraction. I have yet to meet someone who's like, eh, it's all right. Everyone just...

Star Wars fans, non-Star Wars fans, people that don't even really know what they're looking at. I mean, I guess a stormtrooper is kind of cultural. You kind of know those are the bad guys. But I've heard plenty of people that just don't really know Star Wars, but they go on that thing and they're like, holy cow, this is amazing. It is an amazing thing. So that's not surprising that your kids love that. So you did, I presume, go to DCA and do the Marvel stuff. Okay. Well, you did. My husband took over. I actually...

That was on the 26th. I hopped back to Disneyland with the younger two and my husband stayed at DCA. So I missed, I missed Marvel. I'm sorry to say, but the big kids did. Okay. Do you know if they went on Radiator Springs?

Oh, yeah, they did. Yeah. Okay. I think I told them to do single riders because it was already a big wait by the time we got in. So that was fine. They didn't wait too long for that. Yep. And meters was good. Yeah, that's great. That's really good tips. Yeah, they really did do it. You did do pretty much everything. That's pretty, pretty, pretty cool. All right. So let's talk a minute about feeding a family like this. So Disneyland can be...

There can be some good food. There can be some hit and miss food. There can be some expensive food. And I don't really think there can be much cheap food. So what did you do to feed? Did you just like say, whatever, it's a holiday. We're just doing it. Did you bring food? Like, how did you manage this?

Well, I did. Okay. I'm not going to remember the name of the app, but I heard it recommended you use the grocery delivery app. And I did a order. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember the name. That's fine. But I got some sandwich meat, sandwich bread, pesto, fruit, lots and lots of fruit and granola bars. And I basically got up every morning, packed lots of snacks, a midday food thing. And we used Pasta.

So, Stovall's breakfast, it comes with the rooms. We did that. And then dinner would be kind of like, in say, counter service. The first day we did the restaurant in Star Wars. And that was good. They had like a salad thing. And the kid food was very approachable. I was a little bit worried because, you know, blue milk and that, like what's going to happen. But the food was good. Yeah.

And the kids ate it. They were hungry. So that worked. So, yeah, what I would say is packed lunch, hotel breakfast and then coffee whenever we could get it. And through these kids love smoothies. And then we did did counter service for dinner. So that's kind of on a budget. But the only way to go because it is very expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you are not a big. Are you a big sweets family or not?

Well, sort of. I don't know. The kids might disagree with me. They liked to buy candy with their spending money. Santa gave them some American dollars, which was very exciting because they look different than the Canadian money. Yep.

And I think the biggest hit actually was the Sprite in the round bottles that they sell. My kids don't get to drink Sprite normally, right? We don't have pop or juice, right? Which is really boring. I'd like to say we're healthy, but I'm just lazy. I just buy milk and water and...

grandparents can do juice and stuff. That's fine. But yeah, Disneyland Sprite in the round bottles. I still have one in my fridge. Like that's the treasure. Yeah. So they, they loved that. And yeah,

What I did is I remember Jolly Holiday had good coffee and they have the Matterhorn macaron and they always have the seasonal one and the gingerbread cookies. So I would get like one of each and then I would cut them into thirds and make the older three each have a third of each so they could each get to try everything. But then I'm not buying nine desserts. I'm buying three, which is like one per child. And yeah, I felt kind of bad. But is it worse to...

Do your big Disneyland trip and not know what a Matterhorn macaron is? You know what? It's like, yeah, I think I have a little bit. That's fine. And then, you know, if you have like a trauma from only getting a third and having to share when you grow up, you can get your

own cookies. That's right. That's absolutely right. You know, listen, that is 100% fair. So this sounds like it was quite an adventure. Like, are there any moments that stick out specifically? Ooh, let's see. I brought out my photo album. My husband got me an instant camera because that was kind of my kids all got like the Instax

film for Christmas because they all got cameras over the years and he got me a Polaroid so we were taking photos as we went. They're really terrible but it kind of helps me remember the different parts of the trip. So my two-year-old, I have the clearest memory of her. He had one of those light up Mickey Mouse wands and we were sitting right in front of the castle and she was sitting there twirling it around and you know not really whapping people but just dancing and

It was so strange because she understood the brief. She's two. She saw some little girls dressed in princess dresses and they were swirling and twirling and she went right in there and is dancing with them. I'm like, it's Christmas Day in Disneyland. You're two years old and you understand. You're not wearing a princess dress, but you dance. You're in Disneyland. That was just like extremely strange.

And the other moms are looking at me and it's like, we didn't script this. No, this is just, I don't know. I'll tell you that happens at Disneyland. I have memories of my daughter. It wasn't Christmas time. It was a summer, but her favorite thing was in Bugs Land. It's a Bugs Land. And there was fountains that would make a little kind of water place where the kids could run into it. And she wanted to, she did not want to leave. Like we went in there, it was 10 minutes. It was 20 minutes away.

It was half an hour. I was kind of looking at my watch, like we got things to do here. And that was her favorite thing of the whole trip. And the thought of all the other little kids, like she was just partly because of the water, partly because there's her own little community here of little kids running around. I don't know much about child psychology, but I wonder if like even as little kids, like when they have their peer community suddenly form, if it's somehow appealing in a special way. But that was something that I kind of remembered

remember strongly too about my kids. So you were there with your kids, but you have, you mentioned like a six month old baby, maybe five months old at this time, maybe five and a half. I don't know. A young baby. How is it being at Disneyland with a baby?

Hi, wonderful and terrible. So it's wonderful because they don't complain. And if your baby sleeps well and eats well and is pretty adaptable, like it doesn't, your baby doesn't get shocked with loud sounds and you're fine. And because I've got older kids and a noisy house, my baby was totally game for the excitement and didn't suffer from overstimulation or anything, but it's,

I will say, no matter how good your gear is, it's probably not good enough. My husband broke my double stroller on the first day we were there. He hit it against a curb. So that was fine because we were able to pick up an umbrella stroller and I was able to use my baby carrier.

But then the clip on the baby carrier broke. So I had to use my back up baby carrier, which wasn't as good. So I would say if you have a little baby, have a contingency plan, like, yeah, a stroller and a carrier, maybe even a second carrier, because in our case, I actually resorted to the second carrier and

Right now I'm the proud owner of a very nice Mickey Mouse umbrella stroller you can get right at the gates to Disneyland. This could have happened to someone else clearly before. Okay, so before I let you go, so there's some parents out there that are like, there's no way I'm taking my three, four, or five, or six kids to Disneyland. That sounds like a trip to the insane asylum. So set their minds at ease. What do you have to say to those type of parents?

Okay, all right. Well, I would say if you have lots of children, you've already signed up for it. You know your people and you know what they can handle. And I happen to have an 8 and a 10-year-old that are extremely game, a very mature 13-year-old. And a 2-year-old and a baby are going to be a 2-year-old and a baby together.

From my perspective, I have a two-year-old and a baby either at home for Christmas or I have them at Disneyland. It's going to be the same thing. Why not be at Disneyland? That's wonderful. So, I mean, you know what you signed up for already. They're your kids. And if you think, I don't think they can handle this, you're probably right. If you think this is a great adventure, I wonder if we can do it. Maybe that's worth pursuing.

Violet, this is all good advice. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining me. You mentioned you have a YouTube channel. Tell people where they can find you. My YouTube channel is just my name, Violet Bird. That's just what it is. And it's family content. I've been playing with instant cameras a lot lately. So if you're interested in the Polaroid and Instax world, that's what I'm talking about right now. Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, Violet. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.

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Let me finish my conversation about Sleeping Beauty a little bit here. So I think I will start by going back in time to the newspapers and Walt Disney's original kind of press information that they sent out in support of Sleeping Beauty. So Sleeping Beauty is

of course, came out in January of 1959, but it rolled out through the country through that year. Movies were a little bit less structured in terms of release schedules in the 50s than they are now. Different parts of the country might release them at different times of the year. They might come and go a little bit more. Now it's a little bit more nationwide. It'll come out on one day, and then perhaps three or four months later, you'll be able to already rent it on

you know, some kind of streaming platform. So it wasn't that way in the fifties, obviously. So this is actually from Ames, Iowa in August of 1959, August 15, the Ames daily Tribune, but it's similar information that came out all throughout 1959 when sleeping beauty was making the rounds around the country. So I'm just going to read a little bit of it. So you can remind yourselves of highlights and some of the complications involved with sleeping beauty, the film.

So Sleeping Beauty, reading from the article, Sleeping Beauty, Walt Disney's $6 million spectacular film presentation of the beloved old fairy tale, is declared the supreme achievement in the wondrous art of animation and the Disney method of cinematic storytelling. Okay, already this, you know, what are they going to say? And for the most part, the country believed this because it was true. Sleeping Beauty is gorgeous.

In a little bit, we'll take a look at whether or not Walt Disney really felt this way about Sleeping Beauty. You know, it went on forever. I don't think because it would, it should have taken them forever to do Sleeping Beauty. I think it went on forever because there were some hitches in the development or in the production.

But anyway, it's showing at the Collegian Friday through Monday in Ames, Iowa. Back to the article. For this prodigious task, Walton's Corps of Veteran Artists had at their command new and challenging implements of fantasy. These mechanisms, the big Technorama screen, revised color techniques, the fidelities of improved sound for the Tchaikovsky Sleeping Beauty ballet music promised breathtaking elegance for the picture. Of course, Technorama was a little bit challenging for the animators, but we'll talk about that in a little bit.

The entertainment quality of this 75-minute feature rises more from the treatment of the medieval tale than from its scent-stirring splendors. Walt has packed into Sleeping Beauty all the know-how acquired from previous production of classic fairy tales from the Days of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs through the making of Peter Pan.

The origin of the old legend of the Sleeping Beauty is dim in European mythology, so the Disney romantic miracle play follows the rather thin original only in its main outline, the story adaptation being made from Charles Perrault's vision. Enormous research provided the authentic background and dressing.

The courtship of young Princess Aurora, who believes herself a peasant made by the valiant Philip, brings poetic beauty to animation with a boy and girl quality so modern it is sure to endear the picture to the teenagers. And so aside here. Yeah. And that's what the Disney animated films did best. Right. They took these classic fairy tales and they put them ostensibly in medieval. Well, this is ostensibly in a medieval time, I suppose. It's kind of a fantasy era.

But, you know, Aurora is, you know, a girl of the 60s or the 70s, right? In her attitude and in her, like I say, the boy and girl quality. Like the article says, the boy meets girl quality of their relationship, right? That's why they're so relatable. So back to the article. The animated person of Princess Aurora becomes the loveliest of the fair ladies of legend. And Prince Philip, he who gives the restoring kiss to lift the dreadful curse, is the most gallant of all Disney's gallery of heroes.

Then they go on. Let's see. Let's skip forward a little bit here. Sleeping Beauty is no pallid, innocuous ideal. It rises to great moving scenes and emotional pitch in Clash of Good and Evil and in the final shattering battle between the prince and the gigantic dragon into which Maleficent has transformed herself. Of it, Disney himself says...

The enchanting fable as we envisioned it for the theater screen posed many formidable new problems, but there were exciting challenges too. The problems involved both the artistry and the mechanics of our biggest undertaking, but our artists rose to the occasion. They evolved new styles, new designs, and new concepts for the animation of this timeless fairy tale, and they have now developed the process of animation to the point where it can truly be called the art of enlivened moving paintings and a way of storytelling impossible in any other medium.

So that's a very modest statement about another milestone in the Disney legend. The expressive score of Tchaikovsky's Sleeping Beauty Ballet runs its musical rhythms through the romantic, the ludicrous, and the violent course of this tale. The score has not been used in full as written. George Bruns had the difficult job of adapting and recomposing some of the themes to lyrics sung by Mary Costa as the voice of Princess Aurora and by others.

So this article actually does something that many of them don't. Many of them would be cut off by now, but they had a little bit more space. You can tell because there's a giant photograph or not photograph press drawing of Sleeping Beauty sleeping there. So they had a lot of space for this. So it goes all the way to the end. So they gave a lot of credits. The Disney press releases at the time really were not big on.

you know, lots of credit giving, but this one lists pretty much every credit in the film. So I'm going to list them off for you because it's worth having on the record here on nostalgia. I don't even know if I've ever read this list on nostalgia. So among others, so we already mentioned Mary Costa, the voice of princess Aurora among well-known voices, some identified with previous Disney fantasies heard in principal roles of sleeping beauty are Eleanor Audley for Maleficent,

Of course, Eleanor Audley is also the voice of Madame Leota. And then Verna Felton as Flora, one of the good fairies. Barbara Luddy speaking for the fairy Meriwether. Barbara Jo Allen, parentheses Vera Vague, for the fairy Fauna. Bill Thompson for the roly-poly King Hubert and Taylor Holmes for King Stefan.

As a side note, I just bought some animation drawings of King Hubert from, they might still be on eBay. Some of them, there might be a couple more still on eBay. Maybe if you go to eBay for like $12. So if you go to eBay and look for King Hubert, I think you might be able to find some if they're still available. So they're not from an animated feature. Well, they are actually, they're from an animated feature that I think went straight to video in the...

Perhaps 90s or around the turn of the century. I think. Now I'm forgetting. I knew something about it. But they are very, very well done. And it's Disney production art. And it was like $12. And I collect Sleeping Beauty. Kind of was a no-brainer. And I think there might be a few left. So you can check that out on eBay. Anyway, that was...

Bill Thompson as King Hubert. So the color pack back to the article, the color pageantry finds splendid scope on the big technorama screen. The technicolor magnificence is composed from a whole new scheme of pigments, which means pretty much nothing. But there you go.

Uh, let's see. Working... More credits. Working under Walt's unflagging inspiration and storytelling imagination, Ken Peterson was the production supervisor, Clyde Geronimi the supervising director, and Eric Larson, Wolfgang Reitherman, and Les Clark the sequence directors on the enormous task. Story adaptation from Charles Perrault's vision was done mainly by Erdmann Penner and Joe Rinaldi, with Bill Peet, Ralph Wright, Ted Sears, Milt Banta, and Winston Hibbler contributing to the earlier phases.

Directing animators with top credits are Milt Kahl, Mark Davis, Frank Thomas, Ollie Johnston, and John Lounsbury. Production design is by Don DeGrati and Ken Anderson, and color styling by Ivan Earl. This tremendous job, organized to make the finished project look like the artistry of one man, is, as Walt Disney constantly emphasizes, a team job.

So that is the kind of press release information that Disney sent out in support of Sleeping Beauty. As always, it's fun to go back and get the rest of the story from animators' opinions, which have been shared in the years since 1959. So I'm going to look at Walt's People, Volume 6. Of course, Walt's People is the multi-volume set edited by Didier Ghez.

If you really want to get a feel for what happened through the history of Disney animation and Imagineering, these are indispensable books. Now, it doesn't mean everything you read in here is factual, but if you read them as a whole, they're really interesting because you start to see what was important to different people. Different things were important to different people.

And different people have memories stronger or weaker of different things, right? So this is Milk Call. One of the interviews done in this volume six was with Milk Call. And the interview is by Christopher Finch and Linda Rosenkranz. So Christopher Finch, of course, wrote that gigantic tome, The Art of Walt Disney.

And so they're talking to Milt Kahl. And, you know, it's interesting because they're talking to him about Walt, you know, because it always comes down to like, remind us about Walt. What was it like working with Walt? Walt, Walt, Walt, right? So one thing they say, they're talking about story conferences. And Milt says, yeah, all the animators, everyone involved in creative efforts would always sit down on the story conferences.

He says, we were all very close to Walt and loved him very much. We've all been balled out by him. The S Club, we called it, had a lot of members, the people that he'd used that word with. And I'm one of them. OK, so then Christopher French goes on and he asks, like in the later animated features, while Walt was still alive, was Walt just as involved he had been in the earlier ones? Kind of a leading question, because I think Christopher French knew the answer to that question. But Milt Kahl says, well, yes and no.

He says,

He says, God, we'd been working on this thing for a long time and it was a heck of a darn sequence to work on. I'm cleaning up the language a slight little bit here. He says, we had a lot of versions of it and we marked time on this thing and Walt wouldn't move the story because he wasn't interested in it. He was interested in everything else but that movie.

He says, when that picture was over, he got Mark Davis and me one time. We were coming into the animation building. We had just seen the picture over here in the theater and we were coming up the stairs. He intercepted us on the stairs and he started bawling us out about the animation. And he told us it was ponderous and all this stuff. It was all our fault. You know, he was a cute guy.

So, you know, that's kind of where we're at. Sometimes my different interests collide. Of course, I'm a big Disney fan. I'm also a big mid-century monster movie fan. I don't want to really say horror movies like in the mid-century, in the 60s and 70s. Slasher movies came of age later.

And a really violent, and I don't know if it was a response to different cultural things happen. Well, of course, most popular culture, popular culture is a response to something, but, um, and I'm not really, I haven't watched any of that stuff. I'm not interested in it. It's it's has this.

Little kind of some intersections with monster movies and universal horror, but I'm I'm a super big fan of the 40s, 50s and 60s monster movies. Right. And even, you know, up through current time, like I just love monster movies and vintage horror movies like Dracula and universal horror. And so.

Um, the sixties era of popularizing horror for television in kind of a campy way, um, that meshes right in and my, and my childhood of watching creature features and reading famous monsters magazine and following forest Ackerman, like this all kind of merges together sometimes into my fandom. So big, I'm a big fan of Vampyra. She was an early, early horror host for, uh,

stations down in Los Angeles, there's actually very minimal, if any, I think there's a few little scenes of her show, but very little, like there's not any even real evidence of what she did other than, you know, some photographs. There's quite a few press type photographs, but she was, she had this character she created, um, kind of a very elegant, very sophisticated, but also very, um, eerie, um,

hostess from the 50s. And, you know, I think we've mentioned this on the show before. It came out sometime over the past 15, 20 years that she was

rumored to be a model for Maleficent, for the Mark Davis character Maleficent. And you can kind of see it. If it's true, you can kind of imagine it. Well, this became pretty clearly, obviously true. The end of Vampire's life was somewhat tragic. She was...

And I'm not exactly sure. I worked for Vampire a little bit near the end of her life. She had some people come around her and try to kind of revitalize her name and her marketing. And one of them was a guy that I worked for.

and worked with, with her a little bit briefly on her website, which we never really got it off the ground before she passed away, which is kind of unfortunate. But one of my most treasured possessions is a eight by 10 photo that she signed and wrote a whole poem to me. So it's kind of marvelous, right? So big fan of vampire. There was the book of course, that her niece wrote, I think called glamor ghoul a couple of years ago. And, um,

So I just wanted to read a little bit from an article that Salon published back in 2014. So it's been a decade since this real expose came out. But I don't know if we really ever went into the details. And it's just kind of fascinating, right? So I'm going to read from the Salon article by R.H. Green, who did the biographical documentary Vampyra and Me. He put that together as a documentarian article.

of course Vampyra had this television career, right? And it was over by 1956.

Um, and then she went on to do a movie for Ed Wood called Plan 9 from Outer Space. I think before that it was called Grave Robbers from Outer Space or something like that. And then they changed the name and released it wide in America. And, um, it come, it really was not a, um, I don't think at the time was really a big hit. It was kind of a B feature, but it has become kind of an iconic piece of camp. Um,

And, uh, she only worked on that film for two days and she, in fact, didn't, she hated the script so much that she said, can I just not talk in this movie? Can I just walk through it like a, like a mute zombie kind of thing? And yeah, that's what she, I think she screams somewhere in there, but she's really, um, it's one of those, you know, weirdly iconic films in spite of itself. If you know what I'm saying, like there's movies like that. And this is one of them, uh,

But however, here is what Green says in his article. He says,

Yeah.

Yes. And the Disney creative people, and this is my side note, Disney animators, Disney Imagineers, they clearly were influenced by the popular culture movements of the day, specifically the spooky thing I talked about. You can see Adam's family in both the cartoon and the television show. And here we have Vampyra. You can see this stuff all through lots of what they did, specifically with Adam's family and their development of the Haunted Mansion. Right. So-

Back to the article.

So unconfirmed rumors of Nurmi's involvement have circulated for years, but scant evidence of a vampire-maleficent connection emerged during Myla Nurmi's, that's Vampyra, lifetime. The issue was further confused by Sleeping Beauty's eight-year production cycle, though it was begun in 1951, three years before Vampyra first appeared on television. The film was not released until 1959. And the Disney organization's corporate euphemisms about the fact that major elements of their golden era animated output were rotoscoped

And you've heard me talk about rotoscoping here on Mousetalgia over the years. And then back to the article, i.e., painted over live action footage to ensure realistic motion, made Myla Nermy's participation as Maleficent's character model part of a process that was secretive by design. So this is true. You know, in Disney, they sometimes would...

emphasize the models. There's plenty of press of the models that the animators used to model their characters on doing the motions, so they weren't really ever hiding the fact that they used human models to animate. But

Um, the idea that they would actually sometimes trace over film of movement and then of course, idealize it somewhat, but start there. They didn't want anyone to think that's what they did. They wanted, and I don't know why, because it's just as much an art form as any other part of animation to be able to do that and make it look like cartoon movement. Cause it's not, it can't be directly traced because if you've ever seen actual rotoscope animation, it just looks like,

Kind of like a drawn film, right? It doesn't look like a cartoon character. So I don't know, but it's true that the, that the studio all the way through even nostalgia, like they didn't want to admit to actual rotoscoping, but clearly they did rotoscoping. So, um,

Back to the article. The handful of stills that have trickled out over the years depicting what Disney calls a live-action modeling shoot for Sleeping Beauty show round-faced voice actress Eleanor Audley wearing Maleficent's horned crown. So, of course, that's the voice actress, and they, you know...

Disney as their PR at the time, they didn't care. Like Eleanor Audley was the voice of Maleficent. Like she was Maleficent. So put a crown on her and take a picture. And, you know, that's fine. Like, you know, Vampyra was out of kind of blacklisted in Hollywood, kind of out of her career, working with Ed Wood,

driving around LA in a hearse, scaring little kids, who loved her, by the way. And, you know, it just, I can see why Disney might have just decided, and this really, even if they did use live action footage of Nermy here too, or Vampyra, to actually act out like Margaret Cary did for Tinkerbell, Maleficent, they weren't going to admit to that.

So after back to the article, a little bit left here after Mayla Nermy's death, her extensive date books and personal diaries originally written at the behest of close friend and therapy addict Marlon Brando, who felt diary writing might keep Nermy grounded, became the property of her niece, Sandra Nami, who wrote the, um, glamor cool biography. The year 1956 was especially well-documented by Nermy. Here are some of her date book entries for the last three weeks of November. Um,

November 8, 1956, Drupert campaign, Doodles, Weaver, and Ed Lytel at my house, tapes, et cetera. November 9, get into costume, pick me up at 1130 for a membership luncheon, speaking, press party. November 12, rise and shine, Walt Disney, Jack Levin. And that's important because Jack Levin was actually the casting director for Sleeping Beauty. So November 13, costume rally, et cetera, pictures downtown. Then November 16, Disney wardrobe for Sleeping Beauty, Maleficent.

So, and then November 17, Drupert Day in costume. Then November 23, 8 o'clock a.m. into costume for X and J Day, 1 o'clock p.m. Walt Disney wardrobe. And then November 27, 7.30, Rise and Shine. I woke up to do, I woke up for Outer Space Plan 9.

Okay, so she was in the midst of doing some kind of promotional costume things. She was doing Walt Disney, something for Walt Disney. She met with the casting director on the 12th, and two weeks later, she was at Disney. She was called in for wardrobe, and November 16, in the middle there, she was also called into Disney wardrobe.

So back to the article, the entry specifically name check the Maleficent character and indicate that Nermy went to the studio for a wardrobe fitting and then posed for Disney's animators on two consecutive Fridays just for the part. It's important to note these are private jottings never intended for publication. Their informational authenticity is corroborated not only by what we know of the timing of Ed Wood's Plan 9 shoot, but also by a contemporary photo of the Vampyra-Drupert safety campaign taken for the Los Angeles Examiner by photographer Bill Brunk.

in the USC Digital Archive. So all of these other things, except for the Disney stuff, are backed up by public knowledge. Back to the article. So secretive were Vampyra's live-action reference modeling sessions for Maleficent that the Disney organization...

Lost all institutional memory of them. Contacted for this article and provided with Nermy's date book entry for her first meeting at Disney, Rebecca Klein, the current and very enthusiastic director of the Walt Disney Archives, grew palpably excited by the mention of Jack Levin in Nermy's date book. Levin, as it turns out, was Sleeping Beauty's casting director.

A thorough search of Lavin's records turned up no mention of Mail and Nermy or Vampyra. But fortunately for animation and pop culture history, Maleficent is a hot topic at Disney just now, and many old documents have been pulled. A wider exploration of Disney's Sleeping Beauty production files discovered paperwork confirming Mail and Nermy's participation as a live-action reference model for Maleficent, definitively establishing Nermy's pivotal contribution to the character.

And you just need to look at her, right? I've said this about Margaret Cary. Like Margaret Cary, you just need to look at her. Even the first time we interviewed, she was the first guest we had on Mousetalgia 15, 17 years ago, whenever that was, 15, 16 years ago. She looked like Tinkerbell. She walked like Tinkerbell. She still looked like Tinkerbell. Like it was, you know, there's the book about Tinkerbell where Disney, for whatever reason,

I don't know if they love how Mark Akari has made a whole career on being Tinkerbell. I don't know.

I don't know, but Margaret Cary is very clearly far and away the primary, in my opinion, the primary inspiration for the character of Tinkerbell, at least as Mark Davis designed and drew her. Right. So I think similarly, Vampyra is clearly the inspiration, if not an actual rotoscope model for, you know, for some scenes performed by Maleficent. Again,

Again, Mark Davis used rotoscoping. We had Alice on once who said how much he hated doing it, but I think he did it because that's what the studio did, and it saved time, and it saved energy, of course, because if you can just kind of take some...

reference footage and trace over it, that's going to go much faster than sitting there and trying to animate this kind of action. So that's just a little bit more, a little bit deeper dive into, uh, Vampyra and Maleficent than we've ever taken a mousetrap before. Just, uh, in honor of my girl Aurora and her birthday on January 29th, and which happens to coincide with my own birthday. Um, I just thought we would talk a little bit about Sleeping Beauty this week. Um,

I know that was a little random, but there you go. I'll throw one last little tip out here. If you have any interest in adding a piece of Sleeping Beauty artwork to your own collection, there are still some available at government.com. So we mentioned this, I don't know, four or five years ago.

on Mousetalgia that you could go to government.com and search for Sleeping Beauty. And they have NCGC vinyl sleeves, like sealed, so that protects them a little bit.

animation drawings from sleeping beauty of Briar Rose. I think there are some from the dance scene. I mean, I don't think you can choose. It's the kind of thing that are sold as like an investment in a sense. So you'll see if you go to check it out at government.com. Um, the price has gone up. Um, they are now $795 by for credit card or $771 and 55 cents. Um,

If you wire funds to them. So now it's more along the lines of what these are actually the market value, current market value of this kind of drawing. And I think when I talked about them before they were $400 maybe or something. And I remember saying on the show, like, this is a steal. And since then, Disney auctions have become very, very popular, right? The price of Disney animation art in some cases, in some cases,

And Disney Collectibles has risen. So, you know, that's kind of a natural thing. So they are now $795. So not necessarily the steal they once were. But if you're looking for some really high quality drawings of Aurora, I think actually this is Briar Rose from Sleeping Beauty. You can check them out there. Yeah.

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some Doom Buggy swag, actually. So, um, not that I'm trying to mix the two, not trying to cross the streams really. Um, but I have plenty of Doom Buggy swag and, um, I don't know why I'm only saving it for Doom Buggies. Like you guys are Haunted Mansion fans too, right? I presume. So I'm going to send you all one glow in the dark sticker, one, um,

prism, prismatic, hologram sticker. And then one, I don't know, just sticker, random sticker. So I have all kinds of doom buggies, vinyl stickers. These are good quality vinyl stickers. I can put them on your bottles or computers or,

Don't put them on stop signs. Like, I don't know why people do that. Don't do that. But put them other places. Like, put them wherever you want. All right. So those will be going out to all my Massager Plus supporters. So I'm going to look forward to that. Let's see. Anything else? No. I've gone on and on this week. Let's just cut it off now. Go out. Have a great week. Carpe Kingdom. And seize the magic. Goodbye, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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