Ep. 737: Live action Snow White review, Brenda Chapman talk
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Welcome to Mousetalgia, your podcast about Disneyland, Disney history, and living the Disney life. My name is Jeff, and I am back with a new episode of Mousetalgia for you, and I'm here with my co-host straight from the Pal-A-Round podcast, Julia and Tina. Welcome, you guys. Hello. Hello.

Good to have you guys on the show today. And I'm especially happy to have you guys on the show because this week we are going to be celebrating Women's History Month on the podcast, Mousetalgia. Possibly...

because this is the only episode that will make it out in March. I'm not sure. And I, you know, I usually I don't do too. I mean, I don't know if you all out there care about the inside baseball of why what happens. Usually when podcasts talk a lot about excuses, I kind of get turned off. So I don't want to turn anyone off, but I'll just say I'm a yearbook teacher and this is our yearbook goes to print in a week. So there we go. I've been busy for about a month and that

is unfortunately taking a toll on my nostalgia, but we're here right now. So just in time to give you a very early review of Snow White. So we're going to do that. And then we're going to talk about a very special panel presentation that you guys were able to attend at the Walt Disney Family Museum. So super excited to hear about that. I was not able to go. So I am super glad you guys could.

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The Mousetalgia Charcuterie. All right, ladies. Today, we are going to talk about our favorite woman in Disney history. Since it's Women's History Month, I think that's fair, right? Reasonable. You know, you don't have to have a lot of knowledge about this person. If it's just someone you admire or respect, let's hear about it. So, I think we'll start with Julia. Oh, okay. So, Julia, let's do it.

Well, when you gave me this prompt about two minutes ago, the first woman that came to my mind was drum roll, please. That's horrible. Horrible. Annette Funicello. Oh, good one. I have always been an Annette fan for obvious reasons. Um,

Because she is adorable. She seemed like she was a very nice woman. And I don't care what anybody says, I just love her music. Genuinely. Well, that's great. Okay. That's all I've got to say. That's all you need to say. So, I mean, you know, I...

I will say Annette has a very specific... There's an era of Annette songs and everyone knows them. And even I kind of like, yeah, let's get together. I mean, I might have said many times on Nostalgia that I really don't think she is a singer per se. But that doesn't really have much to do with it. You know what I mean? No.

I think I like that answer. It's a good one. All right, Tina, what do you got, Tina? Well, I am going to go in a slightly different direction, but my person that I'm choosing is Harriet Burns. Nice. Ooh, that's a good one. Because, I mean, first credited Imagineer, but look at the path that she has blazed.

and all the wonderful things that she has worked on. So, so much history in there. You know, as Haunted Mansion fans know her because she was kind of led the model shop at that point in her career. So she's kind of known amongst Haunted Mansion fans for directing some of the mock-ups and things. So yeah, that's a good one. Did you guys know I got to meet Harriet Burns once? She was talking about...

like this internet website stuff and asking me like, what does that all mean? And it was kind of funny. She's like, my kids tell me about all this stuff. And what is a website? Exactly. It was kind of because she had come to the doom buggies, like 10th anniversary website party. Yeah. So, I mean, it was at Disneyland, but she was there for that. And then she was like, so what is a website? It was cute. That's awesome. I, you know, I think, um,

Boy, I didn't stop and think about this, really. I'm going to just, not at random, but because this has been on my mind a lot, I'm going to choose Roby Lester, who was a Disneyland storyteller. She was not a super, I mean, she was not an old lady or anything, but she wasn't super, super young when she did the Disneyland storytelling, but she was an accomplished voice actor.

Or voiceover artist. And she did a lot of the Disneyland stuff. She read the Haunted Mansion small record, the children's read along record. No, did she do? I think she did that. But she for sure did the Haunted Mansion album with Ron Howard. And she was Karen.

So there's Mike and Karen. The record that changed your life. It was the record that changed my life. And I think she recorded the small record too. But now I'm suddenly doubting myself. So maybe she didn't do it. I don't think you should doubt yourself. But yeah, maybe Google it just to make sure. Maybe I'll Google that just to make sure. But she was the voice of Karen. And I did also get to know Roby Lester just a little bit before she passed away. She was another one of those Disney artists who seemed...

just kind of happy to be in contact with people that remembered what she did. And, um, you know, we were talking about some things that we, um,

you know, she might be a part of with Doom Buggies, but she passed away not long after I had met her. So it was nice to be able to at least get to know her a little bit. And, you know, she would, she wrote me two letters, I think, and she signed them, your friend, Roby. So I thought that was nice. You know, I mean, so yeah, I'm going to just choose her just because the Haunted Mansion album, you know, I've gone through the whole Ron Howard signing thing. I did finally get my second Ron Howard album.

album back from official picks. So I have now two Haunted Mansion records signed by Ron Howard. Both of them also signed by... No, no. One of them signed also by Pete Renaudet. And the other one is just... Was the new one that they released at the Haunted Mansion's 50th anniversary. Very cool. So yeah, there's just like a smattering... There's three very different women associated with the Walt Disney Company. And of course, women...

have long been either associated with the Walt Disney Company or subjects of stories by the Walt Disney Company. And princesses, of course, Disney is very well known for princess stories. And we're going to talk about that a little bit today. But let's dive into this episode of Nostalgia. Nostalgia.

Here you leave today to hear a podcast from the world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy. Mousetalgia. Carpe the Magic. All right, you guys. So I just got back from Snow White. And? How many apples? How many apples? I think there were a total of seven people in there. Now, it was only like the 4.30 showing, you know, on the first, on Thursday afternoon. So it's not like...

It would have been sold out or anything, but there were not... When we were looking at which screening are we going to see, we had plenty of options, right? So it was not hard to find a seat. So we'll see what happens with this movie. It's, as you all know, has received a fair amount of critical press for the star, Rachel... How do you say her last name? Is it Ziegler? Ziegler? Not just her. There's been controversy for both of them.

Gal Gadot and her. Okay. Well, there's been controversy about everything. The dwarves, the animation. This whole thing has been a big slew of controversy. But in my opinion, most of what I hear, and we'll talk specifically about this, is controversy over Rachel Ziegler. And even I myself have said, wow, this is interesting casting to make Snow White, the fairest one of all, be...

In contrast with one of the most beautiful, ostensibly, right, women working in Hollywood currently. So through the buildup to this film, that was something that I couldn't quite put my finger on. Why would they do that? Now, it makes 100% sense to me now that I've seen the movie, and it's actually almost obvious looking back.

at why they cast her. Um, cause she's interesting. Like she's an interesting girl. Like, so there's a lot of people that are young woman, I suppose. I don't know. I'm 57. She looks like a girl to me and Snow White is a girl. So I'm not trying to use derogatory term here, but she's playing a girl. Right. So, you know, there's that kind of meme going around where she says weird, weird, weird. And she's kind of flicking her head back and forth. I think she's

has this interesting kind of charming way of kind of being goofy. You know what I mean? Like she's kind of just goofy and it's a little bit of a weird contrast with all the controversial things she said. I'm not gonna really talk about that stuff cause it's not super consequential to the movie. Um, but it is interesting that it means so much to people, right? What actors stand for and what they say means a lot to people. So I'm going to throw out there right at the beginning that, um,

that really doesn't have too much to do with this movie at all. So, you know, I'm not really going to talk about that. You can look at this girl and say, you have all these successes that you, and things that you've done before. Like she's an established actress and a very like, she's, what was she in? Was it West side story? She was in. Yeah. And the, one of the hunger games prequel. Yeah. So, you know, she's not a newcomer to Hollywood or anything. And,

It's not weird that they chose her is what I'm saying, but it was a little bit weird to me to compare it, like to put her up against Gal Gadot. So I'll just say off the bat, well, here's the moral of the story.

Obviously, and it should be obvious to everyone, Snow White is a story of inner beauty, right? So they're trying to make that point very clear by choosing two people that have different kinds of aesthetic beauty. Do you know what I mean? Gal Gadot is more traditional. Rachel is a lot more quirky modern, right? The point is that it has nothing to do really with beauty.

you know, what you look like. That's what the mirror is saying. Like, so I'm a little embarrassed. I even kind of had that question. Like, why would they choose her? Like, all you have to do is even, even the animated film, which although they drew Snow White to be this flawless young woman, obviously the magic mirror is saying like, it doesn't have to do, you know, fame. Your beauty is fame, but this, this girl has inner beauty. Right. So, um,

I liked it. I liked it. I didn't like it like Cinderella. I loved Cinderella. Cinderella was like Disney came out of the gate with their live action remakes. I mean, Cinderella came after Maleficent, right? I think. And then I think that's kind of when they decided, hey, let's just remake all of these cartoons. And so then they did Cinderella. And Cinderella was amazing, right? It was Kenneth Branagh directed it. And it just had...

It just had kind of almost a supernatural charm that I don't think they'll ever catch really again. So this movie had a lot of interesting things. I would say there are some people that should, or that may be perhaps thinking of lawsuits against Disney for this film. I would say Tommy Lee Jones might want to sue them. And I would say...

Alfred E. Newman, so Mad Magazine might want to sue. There are some references in this movie that are so replicated that it's almost like they're copying things. I would say, who's the painter of light? Who does those big fancy paintings with all the- Thomas Kinkade.

Like, it's just the whole movie is just Thomas Kinkade in visual form. So, like, and then I would say Beauty and the Beast should see this movie, but that's not going to happen because they're both Disney things. So they'll probably let this slide. But Beauty and the Beast. So there's a lot of things that are so close, like that it's almost impossible.

Not a reference. It's copying something. So Grumpy, of course, is voiced by... Who's in Pirates of the Caribbean? Martin Kleba, right? Is that his name? One of the pirates. But he looks like and is obviously designed after Tommy Lee Jones. Have you seen Grumpy? I don't think I've seen these characters. I have not. And I have not paid close attention to this movie. I very briefly saw...

And I have a problem with live action remakes. Not even taking into consideration any of the controversies or anything around it. No. Yeah, so I kind of do too. I did ask Tina if she wanted to go see it with me this weekend. She said, yeah, I'll wait for Disney+. I think most of America was with you, Tina. Yeah, I'm hit or miss on the live action remakes. I have not seen all of them.

I still have not brought myself to watch the live-action remake of Lady and the Tramp. Okay. So we'll pause here. Your reactions, and you are like a couple of super Disney, super nerd Disney fans, right? So, you know, doesn't look good for this movie based on our own little threesome, you know, of interest in this film. But let me just keep talking about it a little bit because I actually surprisingly kind of liked it, right? Well, it's getting good reviews. Well.

Well, reviews are nowadays like mean nothing. Don't really mean a lot. Yeah, they're very political. Like, you know, some people will flood good reviews. Some people will flood bad reviews. It's just, you know, but I will say it's kind of with Tina, like these live action remakes are.

And it's not because they're remakes. I just feel like they're commercial ventures. So they start from a point of, we're going to make this, whether it's good or not. Maybe it's going to be good. Let's hire Kenneth Branagh to come and direct something. And it's kind of amazing. Maybe they're going to be like a Lion King digital remake, which is just kind of inconsequential. You know, so...

But they're going to do it regardless. So I have a skepticism, which I think is a healthy skepticism, because they're going to make these things kind of, whether it's good or bad, they feel like someone's going to come buy a ticket. So we'll see if that proves to be true for Snow White. So having said that, it actually was not so bad, but it is very referential, like I said. So...

They spend a lot of time, well, not a lot of time, but they make a dramatic point of why her name is Snow White. Not because of her complexion, it's because she was born in a snowstorm, right? So then there's an immediate Frozen vibe, kind of, and there's a song that goes with it. Of course, I'm Wishing has been excised both in actuality and in musical reference. Like, they don't even...

give a little hint at it in any of the musical score. The score refers to a lot of the original music from Snow White, but it does not. I'm wishing, they're wishing that no one ever wrote that song. So it's not there. But this other song about wishing, about a wish, is what they've replaced it with. I think the songwriters, now I should have opened up some...

sheets in front of me. I don't have names to go with my review, which is stupid, but I don't. But I think the songwriters are maybe from Dear Evan Hansen or at least one of them. I'm not exactly sure. So there's a pedigree here, but the music, it's like there's the Snow White music and then there's the new Broadway trying to sound like they're writing for Disney. So this is not Howard Ashman and Alan Menken, right? So they...

There was no Disney really Broadway

Do you know what I mean? Like Disney Broadway wasn't a thing until Alan Menken and Howard Ashman came around. So you can say like, oh, they had all these musicals like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty and like Cinderella. They were all musicals with kind of pop hits at the time, but they were of their era and they were kind of pop songs. It wasn't really like written as a Broadway musical. It took Howard Ashman to come do that for Disney with Little Mermaid. Right. So now they kind of bring in Broadway musicians, but they're not.

Like, Howard Ashman wasn't trying to sound like Disney. I just can't help but feeling like some of these songs are written to sound like Disney.

And I'm sure the songwriters are like, no, this is beautiful music. What are you talking about, you idiot? But it doesn't sound like Snow White, that's for sure. It's not 1920s music. So I don't feel like Disney is shying away from the cultural aspects of its early movies as much as it doesn't trust the timeframe or the styles of the era, right?

But it's weird that they still have Hi-Ho almost... I mean, it's rearranged into kind of an exciting Indiana Jones-style...

montage of mining diamonds and stuff, right? But it still is hi-ho, and it's weird. There's this live-action movie going on, and suddenly there's this hi-ho cartoon in the middle of it. I mean, it's not a cartoon, but it's all digitally animated, right? The whole thing is the drawer of singing hi-ho. And then it's back to Rachel. And then the modern music that she sings is not at all related to 1930s-style musical theater or pop music, which is what Snow White was, like pop music.

you know, big band pop music, basically. So... It's funny about those remakes, right? I mean, you want them to be the same as the original cartoons, but then you don't want them to be the same. And then we're not the same. You're like, oh, well, this is nothing like the original cartoons. But yet you can't have a carbon copy of a cartoon. And obviously you're going to put a more modern spin on it because you have a new generation. You have new beliefs behind it. So it's just kind of this funky little...

So that's what's weird about remakes, right? Yeah. So then why? Right. If it's for a new generation, make Wish. Make live-action Wish. And in fact, Erin told me this felt like live-action Wish to her more than Snow White, more than live-action Snow White. That's a totally different vibe, too. But it has a very Wish vibe. Like, it's not in any place. Like, Wish was not in any place. It was just a kingdom. Yeah.

This is not Germany, which makes it weird to have a yodel song in the middle because it's clearly not Germany. It's multicultural medieval kingdom somewhere in the world of maybe 80-ish people.

So it also is a little weird when they talk about saving the kingdom and the realm and the witch and her massive power and protecting the kingdom, when every time you see the kingdom, it's this little group of 80 villagers that have gathered together like they're hunting Frankenstein. So it's kind of like, where's the kingdom? They don't have a scale that it kind of implies. So that's a little bit something. Yeah.

It may have to do with the remakes, you know, that we hear or the reshoots that we hear went on extensively. I don't know. Like maybe they didn't ever, you know, who knows how they plan to do that. So there's a lot of interesting stuff here that seems like seems kind of negative, but

But overall, Gal Gadot is kind of a compelling villain. And Rachel actually is a compelling Snow White. There were only a few times when she got dewy-eyed. Like when she and the prince were going to kiss each other, every time she kind of got this glazy look.

romantic weirdness about her that was like kind of out of character for her. The Snow White she was portraying would have perfunctorily kissed this guy. Like she would have been carried away and in her heart would have been fluttering, but she would have

given him like a perfunctory kiss she wouldn't have kind of got dewy eyed and swooned so that was a little something but um and i was also surprised like you heard her early interviews talking about how well the prince is not really even part of this no no no if that was the case then it's not the case now like the prince is fully here with snow white and it's he's a big part of the story um so that didn't turn out to be the case um

And how do you feel about that with the prince having a little bit more of a more of a role in this?

I don't know how you really make this story without him. So it was kind of weird to begin with. We all assumed, oh, it's just going to be this weird Snow White becomes the queen in Arnia and comes and kicks butt. And you know what I mean? Like, I didn't even know what they were going to do because now certainly she's not wishing for a prince. Like that's that's been so far removed that it's not even a hint of a thought. But once she meets the prince, boy, does she swoon. So it's not like they...

When all girl power. Right. So it has a little bit of a kind of a two minds about it, but it doesn't really feel like that could be, you know, it could be, there's nothing that feels totally artificial about that. And there's still a wishing well, but she's just wishing for other things, not her true love. So it still takes true love's kiss to wake her up. So, you know, a lot of the tropes remain the same.

I was afraid they would take that out. Nope. They may have when she first shot it, but whatever they did to it, they didn't. So, um,

So, you know, I there's a couple of things that a couple of things that stuck with me that bothered me. Like I'm talking about this, like a lot of things bothered me. They didn't like I just things I noticed. I didn't really like the special effects. They felt a little rushed and maybe they were like we've heard many variations of dwarves, right? Like or ideas for dwarves or whatever. The dwarves look sometimes like the close ups of the dwarves looking individually emotional, look almost photorealistic.

But when they're acting in groups, they're herky-jerky and it's not super great animation. So there's some differences in how they react to their world. So that's something. The ending, I won't tell you what happens, Julia, don't worry. But as special effects go, no, no, no, no.

you know no no no great can't wait so you know and it's kind of and also it's kind of a basically i don't think they knew how to end this like they got to the end and then what are you going to do like we just don't murder people anymore in disney movies that's so 1940 like we just we don't we don't murder people anymore so what do we do so they're finding different ways to do stuff and you know this is not in my opinion very successful answer to that question but

There you go. How many apples? Let's give it... Out of what? Five. Okay. Like three or four. I don't know. It's good. Depends on my mood. Depends on my mood. Will you re-watch it when it comes out on Disney Plus? Not a chance. Maybe. Mostly to answer some questions. You know, like, I want to know, was the music as...

tedious as I kind of felt like it was. Like, I have a skepticism of musicians that Disney hires for their musical cartoons. You know, the Lopez's Frozen was this thing, like that music was perfect and they were great songs. They're quirky. They weren't like traditional Broadway, like Howard Ashman. They were quirky Broadway, like the Book of Mormon, I guess. And then, you know,

I think I've said on the show, my opinion of Lin-Manuel here, like, don't get me wrong. Like that guy wrote one of the most iconic pieces of Broadway music in Hamilton. Right. That's been around for the past, I don't know, three or four decades. And I think he's great in Mary Poppins and his Mary Poppins song, you know, the book, what is it? The cover is not the book. Like that's a phenomenal song, but it's very Lin-Manuel, right? He's got a style, but,

And when he sticks to it, like it's brilliant, but it's also very consistent. And when he doesn't stick to it, it's not my, I don't know, right? I'm not, not super sold. So I'm not super sold on the music here. That's not shiny. Favorite song.

shiny it's not my favorite song you mean just because i sing shiny like no no it's it's your favorite well do you know why that is you know who's singing shiny like fly to the concords that's why that's one of my favorite songs nothing to do with songwriting like i could and that brings up actually you make a great point like a great performer

can make a great song, make almost anything good, right? And Rachel Zegler is a great performer, right? So some of these songs that are kind of Midland, like I might've thought in The Little Mermaid, like, okay, that was another one of a bunch of Midland kind of Broadway-ish, Disney-ish, like right at Disney sounding Broadway song, right?

I love Dear Evan Hansen. I hope I'm getting this all right. What if I'm spreading fake news here? Yeah, I don't know. I think that's who. I believe that's at least one of the- Yeah, I'm going to look it up. Yeah, look it up while we're talking. That's good. And there's some great hooky tunes in Dear Evan Hansen. This new music for Snow White, it's not, in my opinion, not super hooky. At least not when you put it next to Hi Ho and the Yodel Song.

You know what I'm saying? Like, there's nothing like hi-ho, hi-ho. Like, no one has written a song like that. Well, I shouldn't say that. People, of course, people write songs like that all the time. But Disney, there's a reason, like, everyone knows that song. No matter who you are, you know hi-ho, hi-ho. It's just an iconic song, right? So it's weird, you know. So they kind of just left those songs alone and then did these modern songs next to them, which, okay, it's fine. They probably thought they were timeless. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe, you know, I'm kind of I'm getting old and my ability to recognize modern timelessness

Maybe I might be losing that a little bit. So Wikipedia says Jeff Morrow did the score. Larry Morey and Frank Churchill did the songs. Well, that's for the Frank Churchill. I recognize those names now after I've read them. And Pasek and Paul wrote the new songs. Yes. Dear Evan Hansen, as well as The Greatest Showman.

Yeah. Yeah. So they're very now. Right. So nothing surprising about that. But but this music, it's not the greatest showman. It's not that earworm like that song has been around, you know, whatever it's called. And the Dear Evan Hansen song like those songs are sung by high schools and they will be every year for the next decade. You know what I mean? Like their classic songs.

Just instant classic Broadway smashes. None of that's here in Snow White. So it is what it is. I could be wrong. Like maybe the Wish song turns into something. They do start with a Belle-ish song, but you know, it's not that you can't have, Disney won't do a song anymore where the girl is longing for something like maybe, but Snow White's not even longing for anything. Like it's just kind of, they're kind of introducing something.

the town you know so it's kind of bellish in the sense that they're introducing the town folk and the 80 people that live in this kingdom i guess so it's just like you're trying to talk yourself out of liking it which is fine yeah i kind of am because there was a lot of things that could have torpedoed this but you know it's i call it the disney magic if you want to call it whatever you want but it's not a bad movie like it's just not a bad movie if you're if you're disinclined to like disney live action you're not gonna love it

Like, Cinderella, it's hard to not like that. You can say, like, I'm not going to like this movie, but you'll cry at the end of Cinderella. You'll just want... For a week or so, you'll be like, yes, I'm going to have courage and be kind for the rest of my life. There's nothing in this. Just for a week. Snow White does wear a little medallion that her father gave her with a similar phrase. I don't even remember it. Right? So, it's not...

This is not Cinderella. But, you know, but it's a good try. And none of this stuff, like woke, whatever. I'm not even like there's no woke in this. Like there maybe would have been or could have been. Who knows? But whatever they decided to do. And she said all that long.

long before they started filming anything. So, yeah. Well, I don't know if it was before they started filming, but she certainly had a script. But, you know, regardless of the fact, like, they made a boy and girl love story here. Like, that's not woke. So Disney doesn't anymore make...

They don't... Okay, so I'm about to say this, but I'm wrong. You're getting into it. I'm wrong because they made Lilo and Stitch and Moana. So they're targeting specific cultures. And then, of course, Tiana, but that's not... That's just celebrating a very specific point in time in New Orleans. But they're more known for now the generic kingdom. And this is going to be my final point. So the Little Mermaid, kind of Beauty and the Beast. That's kind of French provincial. I guess they went there. This is...

non-placed in the world, this Snow White. And I think they're leaning that way. Wish is nowhere. So they're just kind of like, eh, it's kind of a medieval without the torture and we don't murder anyone anymore. And the princess doesn't really need the guy, but sure, maybe she falls in love with him, but maybe she doesn't. So all of these movies are kind of turning into the same thing. And that's, I think, the biggest problem here with this. It's pretty good.

But so was, I guess, The Little Mermaid. So was Wish. These movies are pretty good. But if it's all the same, if every Disney movie is going to be the same one, people are going to stop going. People are going to stop going. And I think that is exactly what's happening with Snow White. I think they're looking at it and like, yeah, it's going to be the same thing. I don't need to see this. I'll see it on Disney+. Maybe I'll watch it on TV.

You know, I say this and then they come up with this like Elio is going to come out and be this phenomenal, weird, totally unique cartoon. Like Pixar is still making unique things. So I can't say the Disney company is not making unique stuff. Of course they are. All the time they're making unique things. It's just not every single project. But like leaning on this stuff that starts from a commercial point of view, like we're going to remake something because it has an audience. Like why else do you remake things? Like why? Yeah.

Because it has an audience, right? So it starts with a cynicism built in, right? And so you've got to overcome that. This does not overcome that. It's fine. It was not boring. Rachel was pleasant to watch. It's very...

exactly what Snow White is supposed to be in the film. Like, they're trying to make this point. I guess I'm belaboring a stupid, easy point to make, but, like, that real beauty for anyone isn't really what you're looking like in a mirror. So, you know, that's...

They make that clear and it's good. It's a good point to be reminded of because as obvious as it sounds, every one of us wants to look in the mirror every day and make sure everything is just right as can, as it can be. Right. There's not a single person that says like, I don't care. It doesn't matter. It's like, I don't care what the mirror says. You know, maybe there's a few people that can get past that, but not most of us. Right. So it's a valid point to, to raise in people's hearts and minds. So, um,

And they make that point well. So, but, you know, so I guess... You're talking yourself back into liking it. Well, plus is our... Rachel's a good performer, like, despite her ridiculous... And you look at her and she is younger than she tries to look. Like, all these actresses get on their Instagram and they want to look like superstars and older than they are. She's young. I don't know how old she is, but just from the way she acts, from the way she looks, like, she's young. Yeah.

And, you know, she can say stupid things because young people say stupid things. And maybe some of her – and listen, I don't actually follow a lot of what she says, any of it really. So I don't know if she says stupid things. Maybe everything she says is brilliant and 100% on. I don't actually know because I didn't really follow any of this. I know, you know, she was – I presume she was getting into some Middle East politics, I think. I don't know. Or maybe it was gender politics. I don't know. It doesn't really matter. But –

She's young and she does a great job. She performs well in this movie and she sings beautifully. Prince does a fine job. He's, I think, not Figaro. What's that guy's name? Fiero. Fiero from Wicked. So he is fine. He's the dopey white guy, I guess. You gotta have one of those in every Disney movie. So he's that guy and he does a great job at it. So yeah.

I give it... Did I already say how many apples? You said three to four. Three to four. Let's give it three and a half. Four, but with a bite taken out of it. One of them. Four, with a bite taken out of one. Was it the poisoned bite, or... You're going to have to bite your own apple and find out. Okay.

All right. So there's my winding roundabout review of Snow White. Hopefully I didn't say anything offensive in there about beauty. Like, it's hard to not talk about beauty. That's what this movie is. Beauty versus inner beauty. Like, that's Snow White. Like, Magic Mirror.

Tell me who's the most beautiful person. And it's the villain that's always asking that question. Snow White doesn't care. Like, there's the person that doesn't care. I sound like, who doesn't care? Snow White. That's why she's got a story written about her in musicals and movies. Like, she doesn't care. But what we all do, right? And so we can all see ourself in the wicked or the evil queen. Like, that's kind of a reflection of humanity in a sense, right? So that's what the movie's about. Are you saying you see yourself in the wicked queen? We all should. Because we...

Because we all care more about what actually is on the outside and what we look like to other people than what we actually do every decision we make moment by moment. Right. At least in my opinion. I'm not trying to judge you, Julia. You're probably right.

You're probably just as, just as pure as Snow White. Like you probably are. You actually are very giving person and whatnot. So maybe I should just, well, I am just trying to judge myself, but I think, I think I feel fairly secure speaking for humanity in the sense that we are vain and we try to, we worry more about certain things than we really should. So that's what this movie is all about. They do a good job of explaining that. Go see it. Like, don't listen to everyone saying like, oh, Rachel, whatever is like, she's fine.

Like, let her be young and have her opinions. Don't worry about it. Get the politics out of it. Like, don't worry about what she thinks. Like, it really has nothing to do with this movie. She still kisses the boy with dewy eyes. So despite everything she said...

She still swoons for the boy and kisses him. So you can relax everyone out there that thinks they're ruining a princess movie. It's like, and you know, it's, it's still a princess movie, at least this one. So everyone can relax. And it's pretty good. Like if you wait to see it on Disney plus, I don't blame you.

Like, if I didn't have a podcast to record, would I have just run out and seen it? Maybe. Because my daughters were kind of interested. Kind of. Did you take both of them? Yeah. We all went. Family trip. So Erin's first thing was like, oh, it's like Wish, which I thought was really interesting. Did she like Wish? Yeah. Yeah, she liked it. They both liked it. Okay.

Can I just tell you the one joke that was in this movie? There's one joke. Sure. So it's not a comedy. And if you don't want to hear the one joke, I'll tell you when to jump ahead 30 seconds. Do it right now. So there's one part where the prince gets shot with an arrow and Doc takes him into the cottage to save his life. And Doc comes out and he's like, I tried everything. I put all these chemicals in him. I used all these special ways of doing things. And...

I just tried my best. And then the prince like stumbles out of the cottage. Right. And Doc's like, I thought he died. Like, it's just kind of fun. But even that was mildly funny. So there's really not humor to it. I mean, the doors are humorous.

They're comical looking, but they're not comedians. Are they comical looking or are they horrific looking? Because what I saw, they looked kind of horrifying. They have big heads, big faces and little bodies. Like they're like bobbleheads. So that's weird. They could have gone through another six months of character design for sure, but they didn't have that.

So they used Tommy Lee Jones and Alfred E. Newman as references, and then a few other people that I can't place. But they obviously use very specific references. So weird. And they didn't do the voices. No, no. That would have been too on the nose. But like, you could just, like Grumpy, you could just hear him like...

commanding an army or something. Like, he's just Tommy Lee Jones. So... It's pretty... That's actually pretty funny from outside. But, yeah. I liked it. Go see it. Like, if you're a Disney fan, you should see...

There's reasons I think Disney history fans could take a look at this and, like, see what's happening and what Disney is doing. Like, it's interesting to see how they're trying to both respect their history, hide from some of their history, and then celebrate some of it and then change some of it, you know? Yeah.

And sometimes maybe even for legal reasons, like like we got to keep our copyrights valid on some of this stuff the best we can. And if Snow White's going to fall into the public domain in the next decade, let's have a new Snow White. You know, let's make sure she stays Disney. You know, let's keep her blue and red and yellow dress going so that that still is a trademark. You know, once you know you can sell Snow White merchandise, at least it still is our trademark. Snow White herself is out of.

She's just a fairytale. Isn't that a grim fairytale? I don't know if it's grim or not, but she's, yeah. You're just specifically talking about the Disney version. Yeah. You can't just sell Snow White merchandise. Like, you know, that's a Disney copyright cartoon, but you will be able to in a few years. I'm thinking of the inevitable horror movie that will be made. Yeah. Fortunately, no one cares about that stuff. So it's not going to be a problem. Yeah.

You know they made a steamboat. Yeah. No one cares about that stuff. No one cares. Like, it's fine. Tina, did you ever, did you watch? Winnie the Pooh? Yeah, I watched Winnie the Pooh. Was it good? It was good.

No. They made a sequel. I know. Someone must have watched it. They made another one. I was yelling at my TV constantly. It's like that commercial where they're running from the... Let's just hide in this... Let's get into the running car. No, let's hide behind the saws. You're like, you deserve to die. And even that stuff...

I don't believe that's fair use in any way. Well, I do think it is, but for parody and they could have made that at any time. I don't think, I think they just kind of use the whole, Oh, it's out of copyright now as a gimmick to like, let's use it. Yeah. Because they're still using Disney's trademarked look to those characters with their costumes and stuff. You can't do that just because Winnie the Pooh and the, the Ernest Shepard illustrations fell into public domain. Like you can't just make a movie with Disney characters and,

But you can as a parody, which these clearly are parody, right? They could have done that any time. They could have done that the day after Disney made their cartoon. So it's kind of funny how this stuff all works out. But at any rate, we will not be reviewing Winnie the Pooh on this show. Sorry. Or Steamboat Grizzly or whatever. Steamboat Willie or whatever that is. Tina will watch it next Halloween.

Yeah. I'm kind of curious, but I don't think I'll ever review that stuff on the show. But go see Snow White. Maybe you'll review it on Doom Buggies. Oh, boy. Well, Jeff, I appreciate your honest review on Snow White because, yes, I was one skeptic. Just because the few scattering quotes that were going around, but more because of the live action remake type of thing. Yeah, no, it's

And I mean, they have doomed this. The public relations will not be overcome. No one's going to see this movie. It'll flop. So if you're interested at all, go see it this weekend. It's probably got three weeks in the theater. Even The Chosen will probably kick this out of the theater. I do have a question. Are you guys looking forward to or feeling the same towards Lilo and Stitch?

That looks actually pretty funny. So the first long form, I mean, you can watch it online now, but the first long form trailer is with Snow White. And I think it's, I think it just came out this weekend. It actually looks pretty snarky. So I think that'll make it a pretty decent remake. The little girl is cute. I don't know. There's not enough of her on the trailer to prove that she's got the heart for this. Maybe she does. And I assume she does like, you know,

Yeah. But Stitch is... He's pretty nasty. So, you know, we'll see how... Where the balance between his nastiness and his heart comes in will make or break the movie, I think. But it looks pretty good. Okay. Like, the long trailer looks pretty good. It's one thing when they keep showing him dressing in little costumes like they've been doing for a year. But once they show him really messing with people, it's...

It looks pretty funny, actually. So we'll see. So you guys went to the Walt Disney Family Museum for another kind of women's history. I think, did they bill it as a Women's History Month event?

It was also in conjunction with their directing at Disney exhibit, which closed that weekend. So at this point, you are out of luck if you didn't go and see it. But yeah, it was billed as in conjunction with their directing at Disney, but it also closed.

because, you know, it's Women's History Month. Yeah. She was a perfect candidate. All right. So talk to us about what was it called and give us a synopsis. So it was called Directing at Disney in Conversation with Director Brenda Chapman and Historian Mindy Johnson. Okay. Who...

Just, I'm going to veer off for a second because I was looking for things to get signed because as we know, the Walt Disney Family Museum always, nine times out of 10, they will have a signing after their talks. Every now and then they don't, but for the most part, yes. And this was not any different. And I was looking for something for Mindy Johnson to sign because I knew I had a few of her books and I,

Every single one of them is signed. And I have no memory of actually getting this woman to sign these books. Well, she's been at the Walt Disney Family Museum a couple times. She has. And I'm like, is that where it happened? One of them I know happened at Disneyland. But the other two, I do not recall getting signed. So no shade to Mindy Johnson. She did a great job as the moderator. But I don't know when it happened.

So before you begin, in case I have some master's listeners that kind of remember this stuff, and I'll try to go back and kind of pay attention to this in case I'm wrong, but I think Mindy Johnson, so she wrote the Tinkerbell book, right? Right. So we had her on the show, and I said something, I think we mentioned rotoscoping earlier.

That gets you into trouble all the time. And she did not like that. She wrote back and told us, could you please edit this? Walt Disney Company has never used rotoscoping. They do not do rotoscoping. I think you should take that out, which I don't think we did.

Of course I want to see company rotoscoped. I mean, it was common practice. It kind of bothers me. The blending of historian and company spokesperson bothers me. I'm looking at me on a sidetrack about Mindy Johnson already, like complaining, like I'm not complaining about her. I mean, I am a little bit, but I'm not trying to be that guy. Um,

But I feel like I've said that before, so I'm going to say it again. It's a little bit of context. And perhaps you will shift me a little bit here, Julie. I guess that's my point. This is the day where I get my opinions shifted for the better, apparently. So I'm hoping that you can tell me something about this that helps me feel a little bit more secure in Mindy Johnson's what she said. And also that Tinkerbell book, they kind of downplayed Margaret Cary as much as you possibly could.

And like Mark Davis himself has talked quite a bit about Margaret Cary. Like he's the one that designed Tinkerbell. So, I mean, come on. Okay. So go on. But Brenda, whole different story. Like that's an interesting. Brenda was the main attraction. So I'm not, I'm not really gonna, that was really mostly what I had to say about Mindy Johnson. Okay. This was. But was she facilitating the conversation? Yes. Okay. All right. So that's fine. So Brenda Chapman, for anybody that doesn't know.

is a woman of many firsts, not only at Disney, but in the animation world at large, I would say. I didn't write down all of the miraculous things she did because Tracy went on for about three pages talking about her accolades.

So she's very impressive. Yes. She is also married to Kevin Lima, who was also there in attendance, who is also a... Acclaimed. Acclaimed director at Disney. One of his movies, his first movie that he directed is celebrating a big anniversary this year, but we're not here to talk about him or a goofy movie.

We are here to talk about Brenda Chapman. And before I get into it, Tina, do you have anything you want to say before I kind of run through my notes? I really enjoyed this talk. She was very interesting and so humble when she talks about what she's done. And I think Mindy was trying to...

go to her into you know saying yeah i'm awesome credit but she's like well no it wasn't just me it was this team it was this it was this person kind of thing so she was just a very humble person it was like you just wanted to get to know her personally and i really enjoy talking to her so if you do ever get a chance to listen to her and her stories i highly recommend it she's very interesting she's

done a lot a lot in the Disney community so it was it was really great yeah I have a feeling this doesn't even like scratch the surface of what she could talk about um

But just kind of where they started her story, she was a CalArts graduate. And at the time she was there, pretty much everybody that was in all of her classes and at that school wanted to be an animator. And it took her three years into studying there to realize that animation wasn't necessarily her passion, but story was.

And one of her instructors said,

Joe Ranft, which is probably a familiar name, gave her the idea to look at, to figure out a different direction for her career because her storyboards were so good. Because she was finding animation itself actually pretty tedious, but she really loved stories and storyboarding and helping to figure all of that out. And Joe Ranft also,

her to add a film reel to her portfolio. So when she was sending them out to studios, um, Ron Clements and John Musker actually saw her film and requested she be offered a training position in the story department for little mermaid. Um,

Well, there's an interesting story behind. Are you going to tell the story behind that as well? Go ahead. Yeah. So when she first applied at Disney, she was being interviewed and this person could not really be interested in hiring a woman for the position. And so she was quoted as saying, I'm trying to find it here real quick in my notes.

That, oh, we'll give you a chance or we'll give you a try kind of thing. So she went into this entirely thinking that she just barely got this position, this job, and then later found out during the pandemic, I think she said, that it was actually the request of John Musker. I'm sorry, I forget what she said, but of those two animators that actually got her foot in the door. So it's just because she thought that this person was not really interested in

um it wasn't the end of her story and she was just happy to get a foot in the door and um so i thought that was pretty cool that she didn't give up she didn't you know she didn't she wasn't offended by it or at least she didn't seem offended by it she's like okay i got my foot in the door we're gonna make the most of it kind of thing and obviously it didn't stop her because look what she's done in the company so just you know when you think that

you're maybe blocked in some way of doing some things, always know that you can push forward through that. And that's exactly what she did. Yeah. And as she worked at Disney, all of her mentors were men and every one of them encouraged her work at every step and were constantly looking for opportunities for her. So she ended up working on Roger Rabbit. She did cleanup work on Roger Rabbit.

She also worked on The Rescuers Down Under, which was actually the first digitally animated movie ever. She helped to solve a story problem with the eagle. I think it was her idea for the eagle to be a pantomime character.

Because it was originally supposed to speak. And they were just not able to actually work that story. And make it feel genuine with that character talking. So she suggested that be pantomime. And she was thinking back to one of the True Life Adventures movies. That focused on an eagle. And...

After she came up with that idea and it worked and it worked well, she got offered a lot more chances to work with stories. She also worked on Beauty and the Beast, which was a story idea that had been around the studio for decades before it was ever made. She storyboarded the bandaging the beast scene.

And she's pretty sure this is the first time in any of their movies that the princess yelled at the prince. So she was always into feisty characters. And she actually had...

point because people ask her about Beauty and the Beast all the time and well it's just glorified Stockholm Syndrome and all that kind of stuff and she said it's not because the Beast changed and Belle didn't change so she changed him rather than she you know

fell in love with her captain that's sort of true yeah so it's sort of not but sort of not it's a way to it's a way to think about it differently right yeah and you can certainly see the path that was being that was taken too so and i think in my opinion the bigger point is that this is another fable like it's a time-honored fable so we're you know we're working it okay go on

Um, then she was called in to work on the Lion King, which she honestly didn't expect to do much because no one wanted to work on it, including her. Um, she was... I remember her saying that last time she was at the museum. Yeah, she was looking for a, um...

film to supervise a story. And this happened to be the first one that came up. She was sent to Africa for research, which she said was life changing and it unlocked the beginning of the movie for her. So that whole scene when Simba is being introduced to the pride lands that was inspired by their trip to Africa. And yeah,

She came away from that trip wanting to infuse the culture of Africa into the movie, which I think was a brilliant move. And obviously Lion King is another animated movie that changed Hollywood, even though it was considered the B movie at the time. So the A movie was Pocahontas while they were making Lion King and Lion

And Pocahontas is also great, but I think we all know that Lion King is a little more popular. Did she talk about Brave at all? Yes, we're getting to it. She also talked about her time at DreamWorks, where she worked on Prince of Egypt.

So that was her first time directing. And she went over to that studio to help build the story department since she felt Disney at the time was becoming more corporate after their string of successes. So she didn't feel like she really had the freedom to tell the story she wanted to tell. Well, thank God Disney abandoned that corporate streak. Yeah.

Did she say anything about the iconic whale scene? Did she talk about who? Probably not. Like, that's not really... I mean, she was the director, but...

But like there's an icon. Have you seen Prince? Have either of you seen Prince of Egypt? No. You know how animated films have their moments, right? There's a parting of the Red Sea. There's this moment where a whale just kind of like comes right up to the part and then like swims away. It's super cool. Anyway, go on. She didn't talk about that. She showed a clip of the movie when the son dies.

Um, cause she wanted, and I didn't write down notes. So maybe Tina, you can help me fill in, but she felt like that was a real pivotal scene in that because she wanted to show, she wanted to show Moses, not just celebrating and being happy that that happened. Oh, you mean that God spared his son? Yeah. So they, they really went kind of back and forth. Like they wanted to show that he was also free.

Yeah, Moses was pretty much always in turmoil. Like, there's never a moment really where he's like, yay. Like, it's over. We're out of there. Everything worked out. Like, he's, yeah. And then, you know, when he has to finally, at any rate, go on. And she hemmed and hawed because she also felt it was quite an undertaking to make an animated movie.

from the Bible. Nobody really wanted to do it, but Steven Spielberg called her directly to come over and work there at DreamWorks. So she also kind of became the director of The Prince of Egypt out of necessity because everybody else passed on the project.

But again, she wouldn't take sole credit for this movie because she said she had a really great team that worked with her. But she did feel successful about it. Yes. Like she was talking about it as it was like a great moment in her history. She was. Again, she was pretty, I don't know if she was nervous, but she didn't, she didn't, she didn't come off.

like, yeah, look at everything I've done. She was giving credit to everyone around her, people that inspired her kind of thing. And you hate to wonder, and here I'm going to wonder it anyways, like if that's part of being a woman in this industry where you feel like, no, that's just her personality. Where you feel like, oh, I have to thank everyone. It felt genuine. No, it felt genuine. I didn't feel like she was playing any kind of

games or anything. I just, I think that's just how she is. And that's probably why she's had so much success. Yeah. I think Mindy was making more of a point of her being a woman in this man's world kind of thing. And she was just like, I just had great mentors and people that I worked with that gave me a chance. So no, there's definitely a difference between the two. I feel like Brenda, there was women in this industry when she was, she maybe was near the

You know, she obviously had some great high profile projects, but I don't think you can call it a man's world when she was in there. But anyway, keep going. Okay. And then... I mean, of course it was. I shouldn't say that. It's always been a man's world, animation. Except for, I will say, let me interject for a moment. And actually, I want you to know if this feels like something that was part of this conversation. So it feels like, to me, the 2010s, especially around there and up until now, like, you

Production design for animated films feels like a woman's world to me. I might be wrong about that, but it sure feels to me like, boy, Disney leans on its women character designers and developers. I don't hear as much about male...

males in that role. Do you know what I'm talking about? Whenever you look and see who designed the look and feel of Frozen? Oh, Jenny... What's her name? Jenny Lee? There's this stable of female...

concept artist that just feels like an unbreakable wall, which is working. That's not bad, but I feel like it's turning into partially a woman's world. Could that be? I don't know. The focus wasn't really on that at all. It wasn't like raw, raw women kind of thing. Here happens to be a woman that did great stuff, and we're going to learn about it. Let me tell you who I worked with. Let me tell you what I worked on and how...

appreciative she was of it. So it was a pretty genuine talk. Yeah. Let's hear about Brave. Oh, I'm sorry. Brave. Yeah. So she did talk about Brave. The story was based on her life, so to speak, because she's a little bit Scottish and she had a daughter that was given her hell, basically, which was the inspiration for Merida.

um and she came specifically to pixar to help with female character the female characters in cars that was her first job at pixar um and she based it on her love of fairy fairy tales her love of scotland and her relationship with her daughter um she wanted to tell a mother-daughter story which isn't hardly ever the case in disney movies um

And they also don't stand out in fairy tales because also something awful happens to the mother in fairy tales. That's true. She said that it was hardest to cast...

Dingwall, which I don't remember which character that is. But it ended up being... I think she said it was the squatty guy. I don't know if they're both squatty. The squatty guy, yeah. And it ended up being... I think she said the actor that played Hagrid, which I'm blanking on his name. Robbie Coltrane. Thank you.

So if you think of Hagrid and then this tiny little mad Scottish guy, that's kind of funny. And it was Emma Thompson who was playing Eleanor that actually recommended Robbie Coltrane. So a little Harry Potter reunion there. Yeah. Do you remember anything else she said about Brave? I'm trying to think of what I have highlighted there. I know she talked about her mother and daughter and, yeah,

Something about the mothers and being the evil stepmothers and they just kind of disappear once the prince shows up and that wasn't the case for this one. It was really a mother-daughter relationship which she wanted to share with her own self. It was pretty cool. I love hearing these stories and then going back and re-watching them and knowing that there's such a personal nature to them. I know we've heard that in a couple of other animated movies as well. Yeah.

And then she just kind of talked about some other ventures that she's currently working on or has worked on. Like she has, I think she said she has directed live action projects. She's also writing a play, but she said she likes to go back to animation because that's where you really have time to rework the story and you can do it as you go. And that's not something that works in live action.

But yeah, she and her husband are currently working on a script based on a book series. She wouldn't say which book series, so I'm sure we'll hear about that soon. But yeah, that took us to the end of the talk. And then we had a Q&A session with some kind of awkward questions. Well, did anyone ask her how she felt getting fired from Brave by John Lasseter? Nobody asked. Like that didn't come up at all? Didn't come up at all. And I was like, that happened, right? Right.

Yeah. So that's interesting, right? I feel like she addressed it a little bit at the last time she was at the museum. They didn't talk about it this time. And they didn't spend too long on any one single project. And again, she kind of downplayed her role. Like, yes, she took credit for all these things. But she was like, I had a team behind me. So it wasn't just me. But she's won a lot of awards recently.

For good reason. So she's awesome. Great. Well, that was a great wrap up on a great review. It was like, I'm, I always like to hear about these things. I don't get to go as often as I can. Man, this school teacher gig.

grading and stuff. Boy, the days. Do you remember when I used to go to? You're there all the time. Everything. Everything at the museum. Remember when they used to only be $10? Yeah, and they'd have like three a month. You could not go. Yeah, that was pretty amazing. One thing we did notice is that we were sitting there and I don't remember how long before the talk was supposed to start, but the theater was only like half filled and Julie and I were looking around and we're like, I don't know.

Are they not hitting this right? But by the time that thing started, it was a packed house. I feel like the last few we've been to have been a lot of people that bought the tickets because they happened to be at the museum that day. Because the first couple rows are full of people that you recognize at all of them. But past that...

Yeah. Then you start getting into, you know, the other animators that come in from Pixar or whatever, like we've had at other shows. So it's kind of neat to see who's also in the audience. You never know who you're sitting next to or behind or in front of quite honestly. So. And that's for everything that happens there. Yeah. Like, I mean, Pixar is right across the bridge. So,

Sometimes Dave Goels just shows up randomly. All right. Well, thank you, Tina. Thank you, Julia. Those were great insights into what happened at this event. And I'm glad you're able to go. And I'm sure you'll talk about it on your podcast, the Pal Around podcast.

at any podcast distribution site near you. So feel free to... You might even hear Jeff on it sometimes. Who knows? I may even chime in. Cross over to the call. Always invited. I'm sure you'll be doing your own Snow White review show. Can I add one more thing? Yeah. Kind of personal. I became a member again of the Walt Disney Family Museum. Yay!

I've been talking about it. Tina, you should not have admitted you weren't a member at all. The member coordinator knew. We saw her on that day, and she was very, very proud of Tina. Although I will tell you, I burn really hot and cold. What about the museum? I've never not been a member, but sometimes I'm like the educator, single, like $75 a year member. And then the next year, Julia will say like, we need a write-off. And then we'll be like the donors.

Oh, my gosh. So she's been in the magazine before. Nice. But we go back and forth just because. But I'll always be a member of some way she performed just because we all support the mission of the museum to share a little history about Walt Disney. Yeah, I miss going in on a whim. So there you go. Tina's always been a member at heart. Of course. All right. Good enough.

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