How To Escape The Matrix And Create A Life Of Purpose | Tom Campbell | Align Podcast #538
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Tom Campbell, thank you for being here. I appreciate you making time. Thank you, Aaron. It's my pleasure to be here. Knowledge is a wonderful thing, but shared knowledge is even better. I agree with that. So there is no one arguably better on the planet to ask this question that's been asked many times, many circumstances. If a tree falls in the woods...

and there's no one around to hear the tree, does the tree make a sound? Tom Campbell. Well, first, there is no tree. There is no woods. There is no sound. If no one's there, then none of that is being rendered. Now, let's say there's a squirrel that lives in that woods. That squirrel is going to be aware, and the rendering through that squirrel will still take place. So in that squirrel's

consciousness in the squirrel's mind, it will see the tree, be aware of it, be aware of its falling, just like it would be if there were a person there. But it will only be rendered to that squirrel in a squirrel's view. A squirrel's view is not the same as a man's view. A man sees different things and experiences different things than the squirrel does.

So it would only be rendered to the squirrel in a squirrel's eye view of the tree falling. You, something that you share, you share a lot of things that I'm a big fan of and I'm excited to get into. Your perspective is that the world that we're experiencing, would simulation be an appropriate language for that? Simulation, virtual reality, computed, all of those things are accurate.

What does that mean for a layman person? How can a layman person digest and understand that as a concept? If they are younger than I am, they probably have played a lot of virtual reality video games, and they can understand it in the same sense. And that is that when they're playing a video game, they are their avatar's consciousness.

In other words, they make all their avatar's choices. The avatar does nothing. It just stands there and usually wobbles unless the player, who is the consciousness of that avatar, makes a choice. The choice to run or to fight or to jump up and down or dance or whatever it is the character can do. It's the player that animates that character. That's the consciousness. Also,

From the avatar's point of view, the computer computing that virtual reality is non-physical. From the avatar's point of view, the player is non-physical. And that's because virtual reality cannot compute itself. The computation has to be done, as Dr. Fredkin says, in other, someplace else, other than inside the virtual reality.

So now what does it mean to have the concept that we are the consciousness, we're the player? The body we have is the avatar. Now that is being computed in what I call the larger consciousness system because consciousness is really an information system. And that shouldn't be so hard to understand because what are you conscious of? Well, it's information you collect with your five senses. That's what you're aware of.

And that's just data input. You take that data and you process it. You compare it to what's in memory. You try to understand it. And then you make a choice based on, well, what do I do with that? What do I do next? What's my reaction to that sense data that I get in? So what is it that takes in data input, processes it,

compares it with memory, and then outputs. Well, that sounds like an information system. That's exactly what consciousness is. It's an information system. Part of that information system is computing this virtual reality. Part of that information system is experiencing this virtual reality. And why is that? Because consciousness basically communicates, makes choices, takes in data, processes it, and then

does something with it. So that's communication. Consciousness evolves by lowering its entropy. Now that's a big word for a lot of people. Entropy is a measure of disorder. It's also a measure of an ability to do something, to change things. Entropy can be seen in either one of those descriptions. And in physics, they show the equivalence of those two

Oh, I did. So we'll think of it as a measure of disorder. So what happens in an information system? What happens in consciousness? If all the bits are random, then there is no information. The system orders those bits with its intent because it's consciousness, it's conscious, it's aware, it has choices. It orders those bits, it creates information.

And therefore we can say that a information system evolves by lowering its entropy. When it orders those bits, now it's created order. There's less randomness. All right, so given that, then we have these pieces of consciousness that are interacting with each other. They need a context then to react within.

Okay, that's important because otherwise they're just like in a big chat room. All they can do is communicate with each other. Well, how do you lower your entropy in that environment? Well, you don't very quickly. So they create another environment, a computed reality that has very...

demanding choices, life and death choices. How are you going to interact with the others that are there? How are you going to interact with the environment? Is it going to be to lower entropy, create more order, create more connection, create more positive interaction? Or is it going to be higher entropy, division, disturbance, chaos? That's returning to randomness. That's high entropy.

So if we look at that, we see that the purpose of consciousness is to lower its entropy. That's its fundamental drive. It does that through cooperation, caring, sharing, compassion, because that's the low entropy interaction with others. Consciousness is a social system. Lots of individuated pieces of consciousness playing avatars.

If within the context of the game, they have opportunities to, you know, grab stuff from other people. You know, they can be mean, they can be grabby, they can be selfish, or they can be nice, they can be cooperative. One, the not nice, raises entropy. The being nice and helpful lowers entropy. So that's why the virtual reality needed to be created. That's who you are, your piece of consciousness.

making choices for an avatar. The purpose you have is to lower your entropy and therefore the entropy of the system by making low entropy choices.

That was a long answer, but that ties it all up into one small package of why, if a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there, that there really is no tree and no woods because nobody's there. Unless a squirrel's there, and then it gets a squirrel's.

data stream. So look at it like the virtual reality you play. You're getting a data stream from consciousness. You're interpreting that data stream to be this reality. Now when you play the game, your data stream comes from a computer. That computer data stream goes to your computer and lights up pixels on your computer.

And you look at those one million pixels on your computer and you see running streams, rocks, people, houses, doorknobs. You see all the stuff. And no, you can't walk through the door. You have to open the door because there's rules. A virtual reality is basically created by a rule set, which says what you can and can't do inside the virtual reality. We call that science. That's what scientists do. They try to figure out what the rules are. So...

you know, physics, chemistry, biology, they try to figure out what the rules are here. So we're a piece of consciousness running and we get a data stream. Nobody, no human is in that woods, then no human is getting a data stream describing that tree that's falling. So the tree is never rendered to any human.

Okay. That kind of is a big rack up. Sorry to talk so long, but that's the whole nutshell. Now, I've skipped over hundreds of things in doing that, but we can dig into those if you wish. So I want to dig into several of those things. And first, before that, I'd like for folks that, if they're not familiar with you, which I'd imagine a lot of folks are,

uh why should people be listening to your perspective on these things i feel like you're a special person because you come from the world of physics and science and that's your origin and you've evolved into this metaphysical space if that's decent language for you might have other language can you share a little bit about your origin in relationship to physics and science and metaphysics and what that path has been

Well, actually, it's worked both ways. I came into this world very right-brained, very intuitive.

Extremely so, and I had to work hard to become left-brained and become a physicist. Physicists are very left-brained. We like logical process. If we can't find logical process, then we just can't go there. Are you still technically a physicist? Are you still working in that field in any specific ways? Yeah, I am technically still a physicist, and here is why.

I have, like I say, I have one foot in each camp. Okay. I'm extremely right brain and I'm extremely left brain all at the same time. And that's not, those aren't time, those are not incompatible. Matter of fact, if you are very unbalanced, they seem to be incompatible. If you have, if you're very left brain, you know, you will, you will, you know, will what? Destroy the right brain's

And if you're very right-brained, the logical process will just confuse you. You don't follow it and you see that it's really not necessary. You can get to the answers without logical process. So if you're unbalanced, then they kind of fight each other. One destroys the other.

If you are balanced, then you have developed both of those equally. They work together. The right brain gathers information. The left brain looks at the logical implications of that information. And they work as a team. That's a more balanced way. So I'm both of those. I have a foot in both camps. And the physics that I do is that I have come up with, and you just heard a very in-the-nutshell encapsulation of it,

with a set of concepts that when you logically, as a scientist would do, follow the implications of this viewpoint, you're able to solve paradoxes in physics, in philosophy, in theology, in psychology, all sorts of things that

We know are true because we experience them. Or more physics talk because we do experiments that show that they're true. We know they're true. But we don't understand why. Like quantum physics says that at the underneath level of reality is not little pieces of mass, but probability. That's what we get from quantum physics. Relativity says...

but the speed of light is a constant. Now, both of those cases, those are primary fundamental things in physics that make a lot of difference to what physicists do and think. Speed of light's a constant. The basis of our reality is probability, not matter. But physicists don't understand why. Why should the speed of light be a constant? No other speed is constant. They're all relative. Why should probability be the fundamental

basis of our reality when we think matter is. Now, there's a whole lot of other things that are like that. I have a list of about 40 such paradoxes that science, philosophy, and others just know that it's like that, but they have no concept of why. And this concept of mine actually answers all of those. It is

explains everything that we know already. So I can derive physics, I can derive quantum physics, and I can derive relativity from this understanding of consciousness. Now that seems a little wild claim, but it's true. And when I derive quantum physics, it's not weird physics. It's logical physics, just like all the other branches of physics.

So I am a working physicist in that I have come up with the paradigm shift that will take us into the digital age, that will take us into the information age. It's another way of looking at reality that is better. It's a more general physics. It derives what we know and derives things that we don't know.

It also derives the subjective side of reality as well. So it not only derives the objective side, which I call science and physics, but it derives the subjective side. You can look at it and see, why aren't you happy? Why aren't you fulfilled? Why is life a struggle? And those answers can come out very, very logically. There's a logical answer to those things. So...

That is new. It's a new way of looking at the world. It's that new understanding that physicists have been looking for since the early 1920s when quantum physics was first thought of. But no, it's not widely accepted yet. It will be. Truth is not fragile. Eventually it'll float to the top. But the paradigm shift is so big that

So, it takes such a big step, a mental step to put your arms around it and understand it and appreciate it, that it's going to take a fairly long time before we get it. And by fairly long time, I don't mean hundreds of years. You know, it took us to really understand that the world wasn't flat. You know, we had all the data that said it wasn't, but it was about 200 years from the time that people could prove that it wasn't flat to the time that it was widely accepted.

But this won't take 200 years. This is going to take a few decades at most. We already have most all the particle physicists agree that reality is information based, not matter based. So physics has already gotten to that point. They just can't take the next step.

too big a step but we'll get there i think in a couple of decades as more and more people understand the concepts and see how it works better than the physics that we have where with with all of this where does it come into the objective world of making a difference to an individual's lives outside of speculation and pontification of

about concepts and theories of reality? Yeah, very good question. This model of mine, and we physicists don't talk about laws anymore. We talk about theories and models. We don't run on proof. We run on evidence.

You know, a good theory is one that answers all the questions about how things work that we know, says new things and doesn't add any new variables or add any new problems. So anyway, this model of mine has a hard side, which is the physics, the science, and it has a soft side.

That's what I was talking about. The subjective part of reality now also has a logic to it that one can understand. And you have already gotten to that logic, and many of your listeners have too. You might call that the logic of love, the logic of cooperation and caring, the logic of lowering entropy. So,

The soft side of this is all about how to live your life. It's not only, you know, the science side will just say that reality is much larger than you think. It's not just the physical world. There's a spiritual side to it. There's a consciousness side to it.

All that is is not just the objective world. There's a subjective world that actually is a lot more important than that objective world. One of the metaphors I use to explain that is think of a play.

that's being put on. Nobody comes to the play to look at the objects, that looks at the set. I mean, some people will admire the artisticness of the set and how it's done, how clever it is, but the set is not why people come. That's the objective part of the play. The subjective part of the play is

Not even the players' bodies, but what they're thinking, what they're saying, the juxtaposition of people and ideas and things that are going on between those people. That's what people come to the play. That's the subjective part. Our life is like that. The most important things in our life, it's not the stuff, it's

the connections, it's the relationships, it's the interactions, it's the choices we make. These are the important things in life. So my model is both. It does the science and most people could say, "Yeah, okay, science, go do your science. I'm not really interested. It doesn't affect my life." But in this case, that same science, and this is a science of consciousness actually,

The science of consciousness derives physics, but it also derives the other side, what's in the player's minds, the actor's minds, not just the set. So it's very important. Most people, let's put it this way, most people's lives are very unsatisfactory. Most people...

struggle with life, struggle with relationships. Most of the relationships are not all that satisfactory. Most people's work and professions are not satisfactory. Most people live in a world of constant struggle and trying to

manipulate what happens. They want things to happen the way they want them. They want their children to grow up to be doctors and lawyers and Indian chiefs. They want their boss to give them a promotion. They want all sorts of things. They want a nice house and two cars and that sort of thing. They want to read books and see movies that they enjoy. So they have all these wants and needs.

And they're frustrated for the most part because as much as they get more and more stuff, they think that's going to make them happier. But it does not because happiness doesn't come from owning stuff. Happiness comes

It's not something you pursue. It's something that you just get as a byproduct of a life well lived. When your life is about lowering entropy, about caring, about love, about interaction, about other rather than about self, then happiness just happens. This stuff can actually increase the amount of entropy in your life because there's more variables to manage. Absolutely. It tends to do that. The more stuff you have,

the more stuff you want, the more your life gets focused on stuff. And when you get into that set, you're going to be an unhappy person. Even if you have $10 billion in the bank, you're not going to be a very fulfilled person.

happy, satisfied individual. You will pretend perhaps that you are because you have a lot of control, a lot of power, and a lot of force that you can use, but that's not what makes people happy. Matter of fact, that's what makes people unhappy is that they focus on the wrong things. You know, rather than saying, all right, my job is to use my intellect and my intuition to make life come out the way I know it's best for everybody.

Alright, I want these people need to act like this. My boss needs to have these kind of ideas. My friend, my significant other, my wife, my husband, my children, they need to kind of go down this path. And you're constantly kind of pushing things and manipulating things and whatever to make it come out that way. That's the wrong attitude. You need to just let life happen.

And now what's important isn't so much how it turns out. What's important is the quality of the choices you make in that process. So stuff happens and you get to deal with it. And if you deal with it with a low entropy, love and caring about other people rather than trying to optimize it

the way that you think is right, which is basically arrogant and self-centered. I know how things should be, therefore I'm going to try to make it come out the way I know is best for everyone. Just let everyone make their own choices. You make good choices and learn from them. So you make a choice, it doesn't work out, then you think, "Why didn't it work out? What did I miss? What's the problem here? How am I contributing to the problem?"

And then change yourself because you're the only person you can change. You can't change anybody else to make them more the way you want them. That doesn't work. All you do is aggravate those people because they know you're trying to make them the way you want them. And that rubs them the wrong way, just like it rubs you the wrong way when people try to make you the way they want you.

So you accept life as it comes, you try to optimize it with low entropy choices, and you learn from your mistakes. If you do that, you'll be a very happy, satisfied individual that will be learning with every choice how to lower your entropy. People will like you, they'll look up to you, they'll come to you for advice.

You will have you will just have a really good life and it doesn't matter whether you're dirt poor or Whether you're wealthy or whether you're somewhere in the middle, that's irrelevant It's not about changing what's outside of you It's about changing what's inside of you and you're the only one that can do that. Seems like you are

a pioneer in the physics of consciousness maybe I'm kind of making that language up but there's like Newtonian physics which is much more left hemisphere it's like the you know the material kind of

walls of a container and then there's the fluid we put inside of the container. I think you could call that consciousness. Yeah, I think that's a good metaphor. I like that. The physics of consciousness or the science of consciousness. That's it. Yeah, it seems like it's like great. You know, I'm holding a ball. I drop it. It falls at 9.8 meters per second squared or whatever. There's a constant within that

But what about the constant of the way that I perceive something changes the way that something exists? You know, do I have any, is there any laws that exist within my consciousness, my perception of the world, the way that I manifest, the way that I think, the way that I perceive, like how do my thoughts impact the world around me?

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One that's very obvious is that you get a data stream. You interpret that data stream as this physical universe. And your sense of reality, your sense of what is, what's real, is just your interpretation. It's not necessarily what's real. It's your interpretation of what's real. So one, you create your reality through your interpretation of the data.

And that's obvious when you look at some people who see everything negative. They complain a lot. As a matter of fact, that's probably all they do when you talk to them. They complain. And usually perpetuate negativity to confirm their bias of reality. Yes, exactly. That perpetuates that negativity. So that's one thing. Your interpretation is your reality. There is not a reality that we all share.

There are a bunch of individuals that create, each creates their own reality from their own interpretations. And because we're in the same culture, we tend to agree with each other about what we see.

and so on. So, you know, a bunch of players all playing World of Warcraft kind of agree where the rocks are, where the buildings are, and things that they have to do, the tunnels they have to explore, and so on. That map is kind of agreed to, but each one of them approaches it and sees it from their own perspective. Now,

That's just one way. There's a second way, and that is this reality is computed, but it's not computed from the bottom up. It's not computed from subatomic particles to atomic particles to molecules to the physical world. It's computed in probability. It's a probabilistic simulation with a rule set. Now, the rule set is generally mostly deterministic, but that's just the rule set.

The whole simulation is probability-based. And one of the feedback mechanisms we get, which is, you know, this is a schoolhouse. Think of this universe as a school for, or it's a trainer. It's an entropy reduction trainer for individuated units of consciousness. That's a good way to put it. So one of the rules that gives us feedback, because you need feedback in school. How am I doing? Right?

is that our intent modifies future probability. Now, the way the model works is that the system is rendering this. The way it renders it is everything that's new, the new thing that happens, the unknown thing that happens, the way the system figures out what's going to happen, it takes a random draw from a probability distribution of all the possibilities.

So, think about that. You're going to do something. You're going to dig a hole in your backyard. So, there's some limited number of possibilities of what you're going to find there. And each one has a probability. So, the things that are most probable are you're going to find dirt, you're going to find soil, you're going to find rocks, you're going to find roots.

That's typically what you're going to find, so those are all high probability. But if you're down around the Gulf Coast, you might find a gold doubloon. You might find your grandfather's pocket watch, you know, if that's the same house your grandfather lived in. So depending on the probabilities, you dig that hole, and this is a new—that's called in physics, taking a measurement. And then you look at what's in the shovel full of dirt.

and other things and you that's that's reality collapsing to a physical situation that's the way quantum physics looks at it all right so the way you look at it is you just look at the shovel and the system takes a random draw from all the probability distributions and that's what's in the shovel so reality is created out of probability of things and you making a measurement now

But to do that, it needs a database of everything that could possibly happen up to some point, say 10 to the minus 25 probability.

So everything that could happen and the probability that it will happen. That database is what the Hindus called the Akashic Records. That database is there because the system needs it to compute the reality. It needs to have that data available. Now, here's the part to answer your question. You can modify that future probability in that probability database with your intent.

So if you want, say, next Saturday to be sunshiny because you and your friends are planning a picnic, if you have an intention for that sunshine, and your friends do too, and if you're able to clear your mind of noise, and if you're able to focus well,

which usually comes through meditation, these skills, then if you put your intent on that, you raise the probability that it's going to be sunny and you decrease the probability that it's going to rain. So you get to modify the future probability database from which the future evolves.

Now, that's how you can heal with your mind. All you're doing when you use your mind to heal someone is you're modifying what the future probability holds for that person. And you're raising the probability that they'll get more healthy and lowering the probability they're going to be more ill or stay the same. Now, everybody has the ability to do this, but

Some people are much better at it than others. And one of the things you have to be to be better at it is you have to have a clear mind. You have to be able to put out everything out of your mind except just what your intention is focused on. That usually is learned through meditation. Then you have to have intensity.

with that whatever it is you're doing. So not only is your mind clear, but you have to focus your mind so that all of your intention is focused on this one thing. And next, you have to be able to hold that focus, not just while you're doing it, but you have to hold that kind of in the back of your mind. You have to keep that energy. Energy is a metaphor. You just have to keep that energy flowing.

And if you do that, then you will become better at changing the future probable database, which means when that hole gets dug, the random draw from the probability distribution of the possibilities

It's going to come out more according to your intent. So what does that mean for the normal individual? What it means that if you're a happy person, a positive person, you are making good choices to lower entropy

you're going to have a happier life. Things will happen your way. Matter of fact, once you get really good at that, you'll find that everything you need, not necessarily everything you want, but everything you need falls at your feet just as you need it. And that sounds like magic, but life is like that. Everything that's really good for you just comes to you as you need it. But it's what you need, not necessarily what you want.

The opposite is, if you're negative, if you're grouchy all the time, you're a complainer, you always see the negative side of everything, you will bring more negativity your way. Your life will always be full of, oh, now, you know, if it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all. You know, you'll have this attitude toward life that, uh,

The world's out to get you, but you create that with your negativity. If the world is a computed simulation, why is there war? Why is there pain? Why is there suffering? If our consciousness, because I believe this, collective consciousness, I believe you can change the fabric of reality and events and experiences and future happenings.

And so therefore, the war in wherever, the Middle East or the neighbor domestic violence thing, is that a byproduct of not just the neighbors or not just the terrorists or the freedom fighters, but actually the collective consciousness of the entirety of the planet manifesting in these forms that translate to like missiles being dropped?

Does that make sense? Is that trauma and bondage within the collective manifesting in the form of war and the solution to reducing war and killing and greed and hatred and all that stuff is through creating conflict

grace, a reduction in entropy, compassion, acceptance throughout the world. Absolutely. The answer to that is a big yes, all in capital letters and two exclamation points after it. Why did it start in the first place, man? What happened? Where did we go wrong or did we go wrong? No, that's the, that's the deeper answer, which I will also give you. And

And that is the reason that it is like that is because we have free will. When you give an entity, a conscious entity, free will, it's not, you have free will as long as you make good choices. Start making bad choices. I'll stop them. That's not free will. And you can't learn. You can't grow unless you have free will. The choices have to represent who you are, what you are at the core. So we have this world where,

And, you know, think of when this world first was evolved, and it was evolved in the computer. It wasn't just generated like Oral Wolfgift, it was programmed. But our world evolved from a rule set and a set of initial conditions. We think of that as the Big Bang Theory, right? The initial conditions were a ball of plasma, high energy, you know, high pressures, high temperatures, and the rule sets, what we call science. And when the run button was hit,

the ball of plasma started to evolve according to the rules. We call that Big Bang Theory, and that's how our universe evolved. Well, it evolved like that in a computer. Now, when the entities started to log on to avatars, because they finally evolved, the system finally evolved an avatar that made a lot of interesting and helpful choices, then

There was no, you know, there was no experience. All the experience before that was in the big chat room that I talked about. All right, so now suddenly they are making choices for an avatar and that avatar is starving and it sees someone next to them that has a basket full of food.

Does it go up and say, oh, let me help you gather food and we can share it? Or does it go up and hit the one with the food on the head with a rock and take the food and eat it? So these are choices now that it has to make. And you have to give that entity free will to make bad choices as well as good choices where the entity can't grow, can't change themselves. They can't grow up unless you give them the freedom to.

to do whatever it is they express, whoever they are. They have to be able to be who they are. So that's why we have all that. That's why it didn't go wrong. It just started with naive people

individuated units of consciousness that had only been in a chat room never experienced the kind of choices that they experienced when they became the players of these avatars. And what they did was what most things do. It's the law of the jungle. They grabbed rather than helped. They took rather than cooperated because that was easy. That was the quick solution. I can get food right away if I just take it away from that person and I'm hungry.

or I could cooperate with them and we together could maybe gather three times as much food and we'd all be better off if we cooperated. But that didn't come until later. You know, we didn't get to that cooperation point until much later. So in any case, it went wrong fundamentally because we have free will, but that's not wrong. That's absolutely necessary in the system. And now we, we humans,

We, individuated units of consciousness playing humans, are on this long path of evolution learning to make better choices.

And the good news is that we have been evolving, but something like this, evolving, changing yourself, is a slow process. So Homo sapiens have been walking around as Homo sapiens for about 200,000 years, plus or minus 50% of that. They don't know exactly, but about 200,000 years.

So when we started, it was pretty much warlord mentality, control, power, force. Because if you and 10 other people got together and cooperated, you could take things away from individuals very easily. So that was the first way of going about optimizing your reality was to take stuff from other people, was to be strong. Control, power, force is the ethic of reality.

a physical reality. It's the ethic of materialism. It's control, power, force. The world's just out there for you to pluck from it what you need. You take what you need and that stuff that's out there includes other people. It's not just the environment, but the other people are a part of that environment. I'm me and everything else and everybody else is something else. So that's why we are where we are. But look back at the last 500 years and we see we made more progress

in the last 500 years than we did in the you know the the 195 000 years before that it's accelerating and the way the curve runs like any curve like this it's accelerating it's like it's got very slowly growing and then oh it goes quickly and we now are right about at that knee where it started to grow more quickly we have learned more we've grown up more in the last 200 years

than we had in the previous 300 or 400 or 500 years before that. So that's the good news.

This conversation, I could imagine a religious person hearing the idea that this is a simulation or a computation. I could imagine there being some feathers potentially ruffled. And I feel like there's a lot of similarities. Another word for what you're saying from Hindu religion, you can say this is the Maya, the illusion. And we're engaging in this Mayan illusion. And that's another version of language for this.

Is there some type of, if this is a computation and a simulation, where is the little boy or girl playing the game? Is there some consciousness, higher consciousness that is operating this? Like what is the point of reality? What is the point of consciousness? What is the point of going towards reality?

uh, entropy or away from entropy? Like what is the point of anything? Tom Campbell. Okay. Yeah. Good, good question. Uh, I've already touched on some of this, but I'll help, you know, it's a lot of individual pieces that I'm telling you in a story to get all the pieces together would take, this would have to be a three day conversation, not a, yeah, not an hour, hour and a half conversation, but let me pull it all together like this. Okay. The,

I thought also, you started with an idea about religion, I thought also that religious people would have a quarrel with what I was saying. But as it turned out, that's not the case. I've had any number of people who, well, this is one lady wrote me an email and said, "Tom, I am a very religious person. I've always been very serious about my religion, she happened to be Christian."

And she said, now everywhere I go, I take two books with me, the Bible and my big toe.

And I was really pleased with that. I thought, well, that's wonderful. But I've gotten that 10 times more than I've gotten any negativity. I've gotten almost no negativity. And what these people see is they see the larger consciousness system, which is what you're saying. Is there any larger entity? Is there a larger thing there? Yes, it's the larger consciousness system. Now, we're just pieces of that system.

We're just subsets. If you're into computer talk, we're virtual machines inside the mainframe. You know, we're subsets of it, so we have all the attributes of it. Us and the larger conscious system are both, you know, individuated units of consciousness. It's just we're very small, and it's much larger, has a much bigger viewpoint. Or like a fractal of God. Yeah, we're a piece of that larger consciousness system. So as we evolve, our...

you know, entropy is lowered, we evolve the quality of our consciousness, which is the same way as saying we lower the entropy of our conscience. We evolve the quality of our consciousness. The whole system actually gets bumped up a tiny bit because we are a part of that system. So yes, you know, there's this relationship between us and the system.

we're pieces of it, it created us, it made these subsets, these virtual machines, because otherwise its evolution was stalled. It was just one consciousness interacting with itself. But if you give multiple consciousnesses free will,

Now, they're going to get different viewpoints eventually, and that will make for a lot more possibilities of what you can do, ideas you can come up with. So the more entities you have with free will interacting positively with each other, the more...

synergy you can develop between all those three worlds. So that was the reason why the individuated units of consciousness were developed. It created these subsets of itself. But now it is the operating system, if you like that. It's also the computer that's computing. So the larger consciousness system takes a part of itself, configures it like a computer, and computes this virtual reality. So consciousness is fundamental.

Everything else is virtual. Consciousness is the source of everything else. Now, then somebody will ask, "Well, where did that source come from?" Well, we can't answer that. And that's not because we're not smart enough. We can't answer that because we're pieces of that consciousness and we can't get outside of consciousness to look at consciousness from an objective viewpoint.

So it's not that there's an infinite regression of what created consciousness and what created the thing that created the thing that created consciousness. That's not the way it goes. It's just that logically we can't be objective about what created consciousness. We just can't go there. And in my book, I make an analogy of a bacterium in your stomach. It doesn't know anything about bacteria.

gardening or refrigerators or light bulbs in refrigerators or any of the other thing that leads to food coming down from the mouth into the stomach where the bacteria works on it. So you just can't get outside of yourself to understand things that are beyond what you can experience. Have you ever smoked DMT or taken ayahuasca? No.

Never done any of that. What do you think about, because that's something that in that realm people report experiencing as a, and I've personally experienced, but I'm not attached to my experience being objectively anything, but a sensation of the dissolution of the self and a integration or connection or unicity sensation with all that is and the balance and the stress of

of the self kind of come out in the story of the self can kind of temporarily be paused and it's almost like that like it feels like the con it's almost like the the drop of the ocean temporarily goes back into the ocean and then you kind of come back the other side as the drop again but with the memory of the ocean in a way which i'd imagine i've also done vipassana meditation and like a darkness retreat and some other things that are you know towards

like meditation without substances. And it feels like if a person sits still with themselves long enough and just allows, as opposed to forces enough, eventually they kind of come back into that similar space where they start to kind of experience a unicity. Is that your experience? Well, yes.

The problem, drugs, the drug experience is a real experience. It's not that that is a hallucination that has no basis in reality. That is a real experience. But it has a fundamental problem that goes with it. And I'm not, you know, I don't think all drugs are evil, you know, hallucinogens. It's not that they're evil. It's just that they are...

if they were studied rationally, which is very difficult in our culture because our culture prohibits studying these substances, except under very tightly controlled circumstances, so we don't really know much about them. We have a lot more ignorance about them than we have knowledge about them.

We don't have deep knowledge about their value. And I've tried them at this and tried them at that. You know, what do they do? Well, we've done just a little with marijuana and that now people can get that for medical reasons. It helps with pain. It helps with other things. So we're beginning to learn a little bit about these. And as we do, we'll probably find useful functions for them. But there's a problem in using these to gain value.

what should we say, spiritual growth. You don't get spiritual growth from an experience. What the experience shows you is possibilities. But to take these possibilities and turn them into growth

You have to change who you are, not just take. Yeah, you have to integrate. You have to change who you are. It's not just taking a pill. Taking a pill does not change who you are. Now it may change your perspective. Suddenly somebody takes a pill and they see they're one with reality. They are everything. They're a leaf. They're a blade of grass. They don't have any personal identity anymore. They're just oneness with all. And they have that experience and that will change them completely.

emotionally and maybe intellectually, but unless they take the steps to change who they are inside in a fundamental way, not just, "Ooh, it was a wonderful experience, so now I know all that's real," that won't help you grow up much.

The amount of growth you get out of that is minuscule. It shows you what it does, I think, is it's kind of like a relationship in a way. It provides a reflection to where in your life are you acting out of entropy? Where in your life are you acting out of fear? Where does disorganization exist in your life? And your previous habituated sober mind might have just been going through the rounds. You're like, oh, this is fine.

And I think that that is the potential benefit is it can be very pain, which is why a lot of people have resistance around psychedelics. And I don't, I'm not pro or against or whatever. It's just my own experience. But I think that like the pain of knowing some of the ways that we actually are acting out of alignment and are acting in entropy, sometimes it feels better to just not know about it. And the psychedelic oftentimes will present that to the table. It can be very uncomfortable.

And then afterwards, it's like, now what do you do with that? Do you choose to reorganize or do you choose to just keep going? You can keep going, it's fine, but now you know. - Yeah, and if what you do is you keep taking the drug to have that experience, that actually then has a very negative outcome for people. Now, you can get that same experience in a lot of meditators.

People who start meditation, they have exactly the same experience. They get frightened. They start to see who they are at a deeper level and it scares them and they don't, they quit the meditation because they have a negative experience with it. Now, here's the big difference between them. If you go the meditation route,

you will eventually get to know who you are, get to understand a larger reality, get to understand you as consciousness, and hopefully that will lead you to want to have a higher quality of consciousness. It will lead you to seeing a bigger reality, which will reduce

your self-centeredness. It'll reduce your arrogance as you see yourself as a very small part, something very much larger than you. And people then will call that spirituality. Well, it's basically just getting to know yourself as consciousness.

So in that way, you grow. You change yourself. You realize that you are being negative. You do complain a lot. You blame things that you don't like on other people.

But, you know, that's, you have responsibility. You don't say, well, George made me angry. No, you chose to be angry. George just triggered your fear. Because George triggered a fear of yours, you got angry. But that, you own that fear. You own that anger. It's yours. So you end up taking responsibility for your life. So if you go that path,

you have a much higher probability of changing and growing and becoming a better person, becoming more, seeing bigger pictures. If you pop a pill and say, wow, that was amazing. I was one with everything. It was tremendous.

Oh, pop another pill. Wow, that was amazing. Yeah, I see how reality works now. That's great. Pop another pill and you see pretty soon you're detached from the virtual reality that you're in to make choices growing up. And you want to take this leap into understanding and leap into spirituality without doing the work, without actually changing who you are. And it doesn't work. It ends up

doing more damage than good. So I've run into any number of people who said, well, I took ayahuasca, or I took this, and I did it twice. And it showed me this other way of being. So I stopped taking it and started working on becoming that.

And they look back and they say, well, ayahuasca was a good thing for me. And I would agree with them. It was a good thing for them. But only because they stopped taking the drug at some point and said, I need to attain this on my own. I need to own it. I can't get it out. I can't get spiritual growth out of a drug. That's something I have to develop inside myself. So in that way, these drugs can be helpful.

But when they become, wow, that was such a great experience. I'd like to experience it again. Now, it's a peak experience, but so is a roller coaster that does five flips. That's a peak experience too. But you don't grow up because of an experience. You grow up because you change yourself and become a kinder, gentler, more caring human being. That's how you grow up.

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Uh, the, the substances that would be more in the realm of, wow, you're amazing. You're the best. Life is so good. Would usually fall more into the category of like alcohol or maybe cocaine or things. It's just like, I do it and I'm just like, I'm the best. Like life is great. I'm a King. You're tapping into that, that artificial reality temporarily, but it's bullshit. Like you're, it's not true. And you're actually just inflating your, your ego and you're reckless. Yeah, that is escape. Then, uh,

There's other substances such as a psilocybin or an ayahuasca or something of the sort where it's like, it's actually very hard.

And it's, it's, it's, it would be more comparable from my perspective of like hiring a very honest coach that has the potential to make it seem like you're going to die. And it's like, it's, it can be very terrifying at times. And it's not something that I know many people like look forward to. It's something where it's like you, you, you find out you're planning on seeing this coach called I watch for whatever. And then like three months out, you're like, Oh my God, I got to start cleaning up my life.

I need to get honest. I need to organize. I need to really get into alignment because I don't want to get my ass completely handed to me when I go sit down with this coach called ayahuasca. So I think a similar analogy could be like if I hire a personal trainer or a coach,

Is that me not doing it on my own or is that just me seeking support throughout the, you know, another subsystem within the subsystem that I exist? Anyways, I think that there is a differentiation between the substances. It could exactly. And it could be either one of those, you know, you see a coach. So a lot of people, actually most of the people who hire a coach take this path. They, they go to the coach because they want to be stronger, healthier, more fit.

So the coach says, well, you need to do this. You need to do that. You need to do this at least, you know, an hour and a half a day for at least three days a week. And they get all that. And they try to do that for a while. And then it gets in the way and their life is too busy and they have a problem with it. But they keep going back to the coach and the coach keeps telling them what they should do and what they need to do. How many people who actually

Start with a coach, come out the other side, buff and fit and ready and really...

like they want to be very, very few. Most people work at it for a while, but life intervenes and it's as a priority gets put near the bottom and they just don't have time for this and they don't have, they can't do it now. And they stop doing those exercises when it starts to feel hard. And anyway, I'd say that 80% of the people that go to a coach probably quit somewhere early

after a year or two and it just goes away and they actually end up back about where they were in the first place and they did it because they thought it would be good for them and they were all enthusiastic but life just didn't support it so much and it doesn't do that much good. Now there are a few people who go to a coach, they do what the coach says, they make it a part of their life, it's a high priority and they work at it and they do it every day and they make it a part of their life

And it changes them and they become healthier and more fit and more robust and less sick. And that's the what, 5%? That's the 10%. The 90% goes the other way. Now it's the same analogy with the drug. That's the problem with the drug is that most people don't

go to see it as a coach, learn, grow their life and become eventually independent of the coach. Now they are healthy, they're fit. They don't have to keep going and getting coached and coached. They've been doing it for decades.

some years, the coach is unnecessary anymore. It's part of their life. You say, that's different. But that's a small percentage of the people who start. And with the drugs, I think your analogy of the coach is brilliant. That's a very good way to look at it. But most of the people don't do that. And the ones that continue to take the drugs without actually changing who they are, without actually getting serious about their spiritual growth,

they end up depending on the drugs as an escape or to make themselves feel like they're doing, like they keep going back to the gym, but mostly they talk to other people while they're at the gym. The gym becomes a social space for them. So they go in and they chat with all their friends at the gym, but they don't really do much. And it becomes, you know, not dysfunctional, but the drugs can become even more dysfunctional. People

believe that they are more spiritual. They believe that they have deeper understanding that people who don't take the drugs, they tend to associate with other people who take the drugs. They all pat each other on the back about how spiritual, how much they've grown, how great they are. But if you actually look at the person, they don't change much. And that was a result of

What was the guy who wrote the book DMT? Oh, yeah. Spirit, spirit, spirit molecule. Yeah. We were talking about having him on the podcast. I forget his name right now. Sorry. It'll come to me in a moment. Yeah. But anyway, he, yeah.

He did that. See, he had these people and almost all of them had peak experiences, fantastic, changed my life. I'm a different person than I think he waited a year or two years. Went back, talked to them, gave them the same test they'd given them initially to see whether they were well enough put together that they could undergo this test and found out that almost all of them really hadn't changed.

much at all from who they were in the beginning. While they were there taking their DMT, they were changed people. Now they were new and it didn't last. A year or two years later, they were the same people they had been before they started. You get like a really strong two-week new car smell after doing a retreat like that where it's like there's, it's like, you know, and then I think it really truly is the opportunity to like, okay,

Now is the moment that you either choose to dig in and truly, you know, quote unquote, like do the work to create structural change to integrate this into your life. Or you can just move on. I want to ask you about remote viewing. What is your experience with remote viewing? Have you done remote viewing like at like a governmental level? I heard that you were involved with some remote viewing. So no, I don't I don't do it officially. I just.

I've done a lot of that. When I was first... What is remote viewing and can anyone do? Can anyone remote view? Can anyone learn how to remote view? Yeah, what is remote viewing? Remote viewing...

is all the paranormal things, including remote viewing, are done through your intuitive channel. Your consciousness has two different ways of processing information. One of them is intellectual, and the tool there is called logic.

Then you have the intuitive side, and the intuitive side has nothing to do with logic. It's not logic-based at all. It's intuitive. You just know. Now, remote viewing is getting, collecting data out of this database. And I mentioned before why the database got constructed, where it is. It's in consciousness. It's part of this larger consciousness system. It's required to run the virtual reality. You can get into that database

You know, I told you the database was everything that possibly could happen and the probability that it would. Well, as time goes by, then the future probable database becomes an historical database. Everything that could have happened and the probability that it would have.

And there's a little thread running through that big history database is what actually did happen. That's just a thread running through everything that could have happened and the probability that it would have. Now, that database is there for us to look at. And the database is very up-to-date because in this virtual reality, the update time is very, very small. It gets updated very quickly.

So you can go to that database and with your intent, you can query the database just like you query Google. You can query the database. So you go with an intent to know what is going on or what exists at a particular location on the planet.

And you go, ah, I see it. It's the Elkville Tower. Oh, it's the pyramids. Oh, I just see a lot of crisscross lines and this and that. Well, you're looking at a chain link fence because that's what was where the target was. So you are using your intent to collect data out of the database. The remote viewers started out believing that they were just able to see other places and

Then they realized that that was kind of within range. And then they realized they could see other places anywhere, anywhere on the planet. Then they realized that they could see places outside the planet. They could see what was going on in Alpha Centauri. And then they realized they could look at the backside of the moon. And then they realized that they could actually look in the past.

And then they realized they should look into the future. So the whole concept of remote viewing evolved over probably 50 years to something that was very much, I can see something in 10 blocks away or in my brother's house or something like that, to I can see anything anywhere, so I can see in the past, in the future, in any place in the universe. It's just collecting information.

And that's all it is. This is an information system. It's a virtual reality. There's a database that explains all the possibilities, both present, future, and in the past. So that data is there. You can go

get past live, same database, just a different purpose. Remote viewing is your intuitive channel collecting data. And again, some people are better at it than others because you have to learn to get rid of the noise, all the same stuff you have to learn to heal. You get rid of the noise, you have to have an attitude that's not self-centered, et cetera, et cetera. Can you remote view into the future? Sure. You can remote view into the future, but it's the probable future.

There is no fixed future. It's just the probable future. Now, some things are very probable. And if this future is something that's on your path to growing up, it may be manipulated, it may be nudged by that larger consciousness system. Because like I said, the

System evolves as you evolve. You're part of the system's process for its own evolution. So the system is motivated to help you evolve. So if you are a person of interest, that means somebody who's trying to grow up and are interested in your spiritual growth and your intuitive side, then it will help you. And if there's something that you really need,

an experience that will give you an opportunity. It just gives you opportunities. It doesn't change you. It just gives you opportunities. You have to use your free will to grow. But if there's some opportunity you need, it will nudge reality around to be where that opportunity comes to you. You will get that opportunity. It's nudged into place. And it may have been predicted 20 years earlier. And it's not that

reality or that the future was fixed and it had to happen. It's just that the future can sometimes be nudged. And I've experienced that many times. I knew things, I was told things that happened 20 years later, 30 years later, and some things that haven't happened yet, but they will.

So it makes it look like there's a fixed future. Do you think that that's what a lot of people perhaps are quite psychic? Maybe every person is psychic, I would suggest. And they experience certain premonitions or a gut feeling or an intuition or something of the sort. And I feel like we're taught in this Cartesian Newtonian world that kind of

pooh-poohs on the metaphysical kind of softer physics of consciousness space to not believe that part. Do you think that that's correct? - Sure, sure, that is correct. That's exactly what happens. Everyone can do this. You're a piece of consciousness. These databases in consciousness are available to you through your consciousness. Now, you only can do paranormal things

through that intuitive side. The logical side gets in the way unless you're well balanced with both. So that's exactly right. Some people just by chance get ideas and then they find out, "Oh, that came true. Oh, I got a premonition of that and that came true." So then they start to pay attention to those feelings and then they start to develop their intuitive side and they can get good at it after a while.

But one of the things I have learned that it follows a progression. One, you have an interest. Oh, I'd like to remote view. I'd like to, you know, be able to get around in consciousness and do these paranormal things. So that's like an attractive flower that attracts attention. But when you start doing them,

If you do eventually get pretty good at it, you start to learn that there's something bigger outside. You're a small speck in a very big pond and that there is this force, this source, and there is information and it tends to help you grow up. And eventually, those people who really get the best at these things don't use them anymore. They let it go.

They don't continue to do it because what happens is they realize they create a bubble for themselves. They start to engineer their reality themselves by using their intent. And then what they've done is take themselves out of the general mix, which is where their opportunities come from. They're starting to bias the things that happen to them. And oh yeah, their life is golden. Everything falls at their feet as they need it and so on. But

their opportunities for growth start getting less and less because they're living in a creative bubble.

that doesn't challenge them like the real world will challenge them. So they let it go and they stop doing them. And they say, I don't need to do any of that. I'll just accept life the way it comes and I'll make the best choices I can make and I'll learn from my mistakes. And that's the way this schoolhouse works. And to create this bubble to live in is really not a good idea. But it's a great idea when you're learning because it gives you, it gives you,

Drive. Oh, I want to be able to do this. I want to be able to experience this and that drive is is good and it comes from You know wanting to know wanting to experience wonderful But eventually once you become a master of those things you let them all go because you realize they're not They're not really what's going on here. What's going on here is stuff happens and you get to deal with it and you learn and

by dealing with that stuff. So if you get sick, you get sick. You don't heal yourself because sickness is part of being alive. It's part of how things work and you have to deal with it. But typically you stay positive, you never get sick. So it's a mixed thing. But yes, everybody can do this. It's available to you because you're a piece of consciousness. But the things that keep you from doing it is fear,

Fear creates ego. Fear creates belief. It's your ego and your beliefs that make it hard for you to do it. And your intellect will make it hard for you to do it. So that's the

Yeah, that's the way all the paranormal things is. How could I start remote viewing this week? If you're interested in remote viewing, and let's just add all the other paranormal things in there, okay, mind-to-mind communication, talking to dead people, you know, throw them all in there. If you want to be able to do that,

and you need some help doing that, then I would say the best thing to do, and this isn't, I hate to sound like it's an advertisement, but I have courses. I did courses for

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and then they would go experiment come back and we'd talk about it and i'd tell them what they were doing wrong and so on and then they'd go back and we did this like 13 14 times they'd go back and experience come back i i'd explain i was their coach just like you're talking about so i coached them then some friends of mine mbt events took all of those took

And they took the best of the best, the best questions, the best answers, the best introductions, and they made a training course that's on audio. And you can go to my website, which is www.mbtevents. No, www.mybigtoe, my-big-toe. And if you go there, you'll see there's a product that's called...

exploring consciousness and everything paranormal and it doesn't cost a whole lot it's a you know it takes you it's like five day course but you can do it you know every day for five weeks if you want to could you give me the over the overview of it you can learn things faster if you do it intensely whether you're learning a language or whatever so the five days if you could take the five days you'll get more out of it than if you spread it out but still the overview is

I explain each paranormal thing. Remote viewing is one day. I explain what remote viewing is, how to do it, how it works. People go do it, they come back, they ask questions. I answer their questions. Nothing happened. I didn't have anything. I mean, overview of how to do it without buying the course. And then if you want to get, yeah, what's like, what would be like if there was like a few bullet points of like, do this 30 minutes each day, do something.

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So you need to be able to let your sense data just go away. Now, people will think that's difficult, but you do that when you read a good book. When you read a really interesting book, somebody could walk behind you and you'd never know they were there. You've let go of your sense data. Now, when I say that, I mean, if the phone rang, you'd hear it, but you wouldn't process it.

you'd say, "Eh, the phone's just ringing," and you'd let it go. But if you were expecting a very important call, you could go take the call. So when you let your sense data go, what I mean is you stop processing sense data, just like you do when you read a good book, except when you read the book, you're processing what's going on in the book. So now stop reading the book and still let go of all your sense data. Stop processing it. That's called a good meditation state.

Okay, and when you are successful with that, you become aware in a state I call point consciousness. And at that state, you're just aware that you exist. It's the day car state. I think, therefore I am. I'm aware. I'm conscious. Therefore, I exist. I am. And

That's point consciousness. From point consciousness, that's the launch pad. Once you get into the point consciousness state, then you can launch with your intent to do all kinds of things. You can go out of body. You can get data from the database. And as you practice these things, they get easier and easier and easier. So the launch point is point consciousness. If you meditate...

Say for 10 years, point consciousness should be an easy attainment and you can get there in a few minutes. If you practice a whole lot and it becomes part of your life, you can get there in a few seconds and eventually you can get there in fractions of a second. You can just shift into that space and shift out of it without a problem.

eventually you'll get to the point that you live in a much larger reality than most people live in. All this information comes to you as you need it. And you don't live in the physical reality so much as you live in a bigger reality. That's eventually what happens, where you end up going.

So anybody can remote view if you just learn to let go of your sense state. It's just like you do when you're reading a good book, but let go of the book as well. Put yourself in that state. Most people, their minds will suddenly come up

with, oh, what's this going to happen? What's she going to say? Do I have to do this? And you start planning your stuff and your head's full of noise. I just call that noise. That's just mental noise. And you have to learn how to shut that off. But, and I will give this as a kind of a

hope to those people who are hopelessly intellectual. Their intellect won't let their intuitive side go. It keeps crashing in. They want to talk to their dead Uncle Fred. So they say, all right, dead Uncle Fred, are you out there? And they hear a voice. Yes, I'm here. And the intellect says, oh, was that really Uncle Fred? Did you just make that up?

So the intellect crashes it and then it's gone. You've lost the bubble on it. So for those people who are hopelessly intellectual and they can't seem to just let their intuition be because the intuition doesn't go out and grab it, it just opens itself to it and the intent brings it there.

So it's not a matter of you have to chase it down and grab it. You don't. You just have to open to it and it's there. So anyway, there is another way to get there without meditation. You can do it through imagination. And in fact, most people who do this a lot end up taking the imagination route because it's quicker. And that is that if you can imagine something, but it needs to be something that is

gripping, something that really holds your attention, something that you can smell, you can taste, you can feel it. It's consuming all of your senses. And you imagine that. And once you get to the point where that imagined story starts to become, has a life of its own, you're no longer making up all the things that all the characters are saying. They're just saying things and you're just part of it.

When you get to that point, then that's basically the same, put it this way, it's basically the same space. You have let go of your own source of information and let the larger consciousness system feed you a data stream. The larger consciousness system will feed you a data stream that picks up on your story exactly and takes it someplace else.

but that's also something that takes some skill. You have to work at your imagination until you can get it to that point that you can quickly let go of your own story and get the story from the larger consciousness system. And it's an easy way to say do out of body. Now, most people have done that. They've got into an imaginative thing. They've given a speech or

talk to their girlfriend or something, and they have this stuff in their imagination, and it just becomes a thing of itself. They're no longer putting all the words in everybody's mouth. It just starts to roll. Well, that puts you in the same state, except instead of being in point consciousness where there's nothing, you're in a

but we can just call it out of body you're in a thing that's happening out of body just means you're no longer aware of your sense data that defines an out-of-body you know it's a simple thing to do you can you can do that in fractions of a second once you once you learn how to do it so the paranormal

is normal. The para is just because it's not intellectual. And in our culture, we spend years and years and years honing and perfecting our intellectual side, and we completely ignore our intuitive side. So most people have less accurate intuitive side than they did when they were two years old. When they were two and three years old, their intuitive side was pretty well developed.

And kids that are autistic often develop their intuitive side because their intellectual side doesn't work. It's got physical problems and doesn't work. So all they have left is their intuitive side. And they eventually learn how to hear what people are thinking and doing other things because they've developed that side necessarily because they didn't have the intellectual side.

So it's not like a rare talent that some people have. Everybody can do these things. It's just a matter of practice and having the right attitude. Well, let me say one other thing about it, and that is, that'll clarify it for you. You have three sources of

for data streams. A data stream can come to you from three different sources. One source is the larger consciousness system. That tends to be the main source. The other source is another person because you can just use your intent, send messages to other people and they can do that to you. So your data stream can be sent to you from another consciousness.

Thirdly, you are a consciousness. That's what you are. You can create a data stream. And we call that imagination. You create a data stream that you feed to yourself. Now, the problem with all of that is there are no tags on these three separate data stream sources. So you never know whether you're getting something from some other consciousness, the larger conscious system, or from yourself.

It all just, it can be all three. You could be getting it from all three at the same time and you wouldn't be able to say which is which. So the problem is that many people will

come to the conclusion, particularly if they're materialists, that it's all coming from yourself. That's the only source. But that's not true. It comes from other people and it comes from the larger consciousness system. With experience, you can separate those. You can tell which is which, but not absolutely. You're never 100% sure.

But with experience, you'll get to be 90, 98% sure what the source is, or even 99.99. But you're never 100% sure. So that leads to another thing I always say is that you have to be skeptical of everything. Always be skeptical. And the person you have to be most skeptical about is yourself.

So you always have to take charge of yourself. Your free will is yours and yours only. You never give that up to anybody else. You always have to take responsibility for you, for what you are, how you react. And you always have to be skeptical because you never know where the information is coming from or even the intent, why that information is coming there. It's just information that you get to deal with.

So that's why this growth process I call it's pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, which is kind of an inside physics joke, you know, that you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But bootstrapping...

is a real thing. That just means you learn one tiny increment at a time. It's the same way an athlete becomes an athlete. You don't say, "Ah, I'm gonna go run a marathon tomorrow." It takes you years to get to the point that you can run a marathon.

or run it well takes many years that's what i mean by pulling yourself up by your bootstraps you just get a little better learn a little more understand a little more every day you keep working at it until eventually you get there anybody can learn to run a marathon anybody's got two legs and reasonably healthy could develop

that ability to run a marathon, at least to finish it. Do you know people that can project themselves into the future or remote view to do specific things like know what the future of the stock market is going to do or to know things of that, like that level of specificity? Sure. Go look at Stephen Schwartz' website. Stephen Schwartz is a remote viewer.

And he does some really interesting work. And it is very carefully done. He takes a scientific approach to it. And he has one thing. He published this, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago. He got groups of remote viewers, basically thousands of remote viewers to go into the future and see what the future in the United States would be. And he did this

10 years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, 60 years into the future. And he'd get these many thousands of remote viewers doing it, practiced remote viewers, you know, people who did a lot of remote viewing, not just anybody. And then he would do the statistics on 80% of them said it would be like this. Only 50, 50, you know, there were five different things that were happening, but there's about, you know, 20%, you know, all of them.

was like nothing, but if they were 80 or 90%, all said one thing, and he collected all these, and he can give you a whole view of the United States up through 2060. Interesting. David Schwartz? Yes. Yeah, Stephen Schwartz. Stephen Schwartz, okay. He's an older gentleman now. He's in his mid-80s.

But his website's there, and so sure, people can do that. You can go into the future, and you can do what-if analysis. You could say, well, what if the Axis powers, Germany, Japan, and Italy, had won World War II? What would it be like?

What would it be like, say, the year afterwards? Or five years afterwards? You're 10 or 20 or 30 or 50. What would culture here in my hometown be like? And you can get those pictures. Now, what you're getting is the probable future. It's all in probability. So this is probably what would have happened had the Axis powers won World War II.

And you can take that to as many years as you like and get that information. So you can do, what if I had married Sally instead of Susie? What would my life be like now? And you can get that information. But again, it's just probability. Do all of those realities exist on some plane? Does every decision that could ever possibly be made...

simultaneously exist on some plane that we don't have access to? Or is there one consistent, congruent plane of reality that the choices that have been made are the only ones that were made? Neither. Both of those are wrong. One of them is called many worlds, that you have many worlds and they all, many universes, and that's silly.

No, that's very inefficient. It's not that that's theoretically impossible. It's just theoretically...

Ridiculous. It's way too inefficient. So you think of this larger conscious system as this big information system. It does things efficiently. So it's neither one of those two. What happens is all of this exists in probability. It's just there in terms of all the possibilities and their probabilities.

So everything that could possibly happen and all the probabilities that it will in enough time goes by, that's in the past. So you have all of this not on separate universes and separate planes so that if an electron flips from a spin up to a spin down, you need to create another whole universe where that electron was up instead of down. That becomes ridiculous because there's too many things happening, too many branches, and every branch, branches, you know, expands, expands.

Yeah, it's just too crazy to be actual real things, too inefficient. And the idea that there's nothing other than just us now, there is nothing. No, there is, there's probabilities. That's because it's a virtual reality and the system has to have a way of knowing what to compute next.

And that's a big mental thing. It's hard for people. Here's one example of that. You've got a scientist. He's got this telescope. It's the best telescope anybody's ever created. He created it. He's going to look in it. He's going to see a piece of space that nobody's ever seen before. All right, what's in that space? Well, the materialists think that space is out there. It exists, and we're just going to look at it. But that's not the way it works.

That space doesn't exist because it's never been rendered. Nobody's ever looked there because nobody ever had the equipment that would allow them to look there. So there's maybe a thousand things that could be in that space. They all have different probabilities. Random draw from that probability distribution is taken and that's what that person sees. That's what's put in their data stream to see. Schrodinger's cat, right? Would that be Schrodinger's cat? Yeah, that's the way the world works.

Another example was digging a hole in your yard. That's a more mundane example, but it works the same way. None of that exists. What's in that shovel full of dirt or what's in that cubic piece of space

is not rendered. It's not there. Your brain, your circulatory system is not rendered. All that's rendered is a "lub dub, lub dub" when you put a stethoscope on it. That's a measurement. So you get the data, that measurement, you can hear it. But none of that's rendered. All your thoughts, all your memory, all that's in consciousness.

This is an avatar. It's just eye candy so people can look at it and see what's in play. Looking at a bunch of data sheets, it's very difficult to see what's in play. So we get it in a virtual reality. We get a data stream. So it's a tough thing to wrap your mind around. But once you do wrap your mind around it,

The amazing thing will happen is that all the big mysteries that you had in life and about the world all resolve into very simple, very elegant solutions. All those paradoxes, very simply and elegantly, there's an answer. Why is the speed of light a constant? Well, it's a virtual reality. As fast as you can go through contiguous space in a virtual reality is one pixel of distance per one pixel of time.

That's the speed limit. Every virtual reality has a speed limit. Even World of Warcraft has a speed limit. It's just the nature of a computed reality. That's why C is a constant. So that's just a very simple, elegant solution to a big mystery. So once you understand this,

All the big mysteries, all the things about the paranormal and how they work and so on, they all just disappear. It becomes obvious. And even why you're unhappy and why you complain, George, for making you angry, you know, all just falls out as a as the obvious, rational, logical process. As long as you're in a victim situation.

mindset mentality you're essentially being like a non-player you're like not engaged in this so you're in a state of state you're in a state of stasis which is fine it's there's it's fine for you to do that but you you are exiting the game is my perspective of it and and once you choose to to lean into accountability and responsibility and agency of literally everything that is within this computation computation or simulation however you want to call it

is a product of this, you know, I, therefore I, this thing I call I, or, you know, this, this thing that is called I has the power to create change. But as long as we're in that place, if they did that to me, then you were just like a, you're, you're a non-player. You're not, you're not actually in the game at that point, from my perspective.

Well, I agree with that entirely, except I would change the metaphor just slightly. You're still in the game. You're out on the playing field, but instead of being up and actually playing the game, you have lain down, gotten to the fetal position, and started sucking your thumb. And you're just lying there on the ground sucking your thumb, and you're ignoring all the game. But you're still in the field. Other people have to walk around you. You're still in the field. You're there, but...

you've taken yourself out of the game but you can't take yourself out of the game actually and you can't take yourself out of the game by dying either because when you die you just get put back in the game so you're not

I'll stand up and play. Yeah, I mean like a non-player character where you're there, you're kind of bobbing around, but the lights aren't really on. You're not actually making agentic decisions. You're just kind of a part of the flow of things, and it's fine, whatever. But I think that coming into that place of agency allows the lights to come online and allows a person to start to create the reality. Exactly. Yeah, getting into the victim state and so on is probably the...

the worst place to possibly be. The only thing you can do is wallow in your own self-pity. That is kind of the null state of playing the game, I do agree. But you know, there are NPCs that come in. The system can throw an NPC someplace that it needs somebody to do something

specifically. So those do occur now and then, but not a whole lot. There's lots of little interesting things that we could talk about out on the periphery of all of this. We'll have to do another conversation. Thank you so much, man. I really enjoyed this conversation a lot. I feel more at ease within myself from having this conversation, so I appreciate it. Where can people go if they want to go deeper into your world, your work?

your space? Okay, well, first is the website I mentioned, www.my-big-toe.com.

they'll find a lot of things there and a lot of pointers there that'll take them other places. The other place is YouTube. I've got some about 1500, 2000 videos out there, which is a huge, you know, it's very daunting to most people. Oh, here's his work. Here's his site. Oh, there's, you know, 2000 videos to watch, but I have a, a two things that will help you there. One,

is a search engine that will search through everything I said in all of those 2,000 videos and pick out just the subject matter you're looking for. So if you're looking for healing, then it'll just go through all those videos and return to you the information and tell you which ones to click on to get that information and actually give you the link that'll land you at the right time

right at the right spot where that subject's being talked about. And the other thing I have is a thing I call AI guy. And the AI guy speaks in my voice, and he has been especially trained on my material. So he has looked at all the videos, actually all the text from all, you know, the videos were turned into text and they were fed to him. He's familiar with my books and everything I've ever said that's been recorded.

And that makes him very, very good. So we've tried to trick him. You know, people will ask me questions, hard questions, and then they'll ask the AI guy the same questions. And he's excellent. He's very, very good at being me. So those are two things that you can go to.

I have things there that talk about science. If you really want to get into the science of it, I got a whole science section in the playlists. If you are interested in the soft side and you're interested in say relationships, how you're going to deal with people and with your significant other and your spouses and your children, then all of that's discussed on the soft side. I've got interviews that I do just on that subject. So you can find

you can find both of those uh go look at playlists just browse through and see what interests you but there's a lot of information there on lots of subjects uh

and you'll find some tools there. One, you'll find those Binaural Beats, and all of my stuff is fairly cheap because I'm not interested in making a whole lot of money. I mean, money's nice, but that's not what I'm about. I'm trying to share this information with other people. So that five-day course, if you'd bought somebody's five-day course, it probably cost you $2,000, $3,000, $5,000. Mine's, I think, $400. So it's just, it's priced to get people who are serious,

It's not given away for free because then it's not worth much. People don't want things that are free. It's free things that aren't worth much. But in any case, most of what you need, you'll find for a very low price. I think the binaural beats are, you know, I don't know, $10, $15 a piece. Or you can buy a whole set of them for like $30, like 15 or 14 of them.

And I have several sets. Anyway, so all that stuff's there if you're interested. You want to do paranormal things, then get the product that I mentioned. You know, exploring reality and everything paranormal. It'll tell you.

how to do paranormal stuff. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate you. Hopefully I get to do this again, go deeper into some of these wormholes. That's it. That's all. Thank you. I'll tune in. I'll see you next week. Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. I want to invite you over to the Aligned Podcast YouTube channel if you want to see the quality of both of our skins IRL.

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