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Jordan Poirier, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me, bud. Thank you for having me, brother. It is a blessing and an honor to be here with you in this beautiful location down in South Florida, and a true honor to be here. What's at the root of addiction? Right, and I'll just talk for me personally. I was running away from a lot of my problems, call it in the real world, thinking, alcohol,
which is numbing the pain of what I was running from, whether that be my relationships, football, just how things in life were annoying. And I always found an excuse as to why it was okay for me to drink, whether that be not knowing who my real father was, but knowing that he was an alcoholic himself. My mom, who's now five years sober herself, she, growing up,
She had her issues with alcohol. And so for me, it was always like an excuse, like, oh, well, my parents, you know, they had their run with alcohol. This is my run with alcohol. And I was just, I look back and I was just very unaware of anything, of myself, of who I was, of, you know,
I was very ego-driven in the sense of the sport that I played with football. That was kind of like my escape. That was where I could go and be who I thought that was actually what I came to this planet to do, was to play football. And I soon ran into a wall of alcohol and football and having to make...
a big time decision in my life was like to fix what I had going on. Cause I was very unhappy. And it all came back to me. Like every, every excuse that I made, every, it all, all came back to me.
And the way that I was seeing life and the way that I was walking, the way that I was thinking and the way that I was speaking, man, I needed I needed to find myself. And so, you know, the addiction, everybody's, you know, you could probably, you know, whatever variable that definition may be for me, it was it was running away from my problems using alcohol as my call it crutch to, you
just bypass through life from to the real real parts of life right like through the connections through the I just wonder how many you know friendships that I lost or could have made you know how many how many people that I heard with my addiction and you know thank thank the lord for my my wife because you know she there's many times she probably could have
Could have less. And then she saw, like the sheriff says, like she saw this in me and she wanted to, she knew I had this, uh,
like deep within and you know if it wasn't for her you know maybe been in a ditch maybe even be dead somewhere just because I wanted to be a different person for her because I saw the love and support she had for me and for my daughter too wow I hit a rock bottom when I was 27 28 um when I was I took put my daughter for put my daughter down for a bed for a nap in the middle of the day I
I was absolutely blacked out, out of my mind. She woke up from the nap and, you know, tapped me and, Daddy, like, let's go play. She had to be two or three. And in that moment, I couldn't move. Like, I was paralyzed. And I get goosebumps, like, because, like,
That was the moment where I knew, like, okay, one, I effed up, and two, like, I need to get my stuff together because my daughter, what if something happened right now and I can't do anything for my daughter? So I called my brother, and he was luckily at the house. I said, hey, bro, like, can you take Aaliyah and watch her? I didn't wake up until the next day. And that really sat ill with me, you know, because I grew up not knowing who my real dad was. And, you know, it's a fine line of my wife saying, hey, we're going to get out of here if you don't.
Fish are stuck. And I wanted to be in my wife's life. I wanted to be in my daughter's life. And so I started to change, man. I started to really...
dive within of like who the freak am i what are we doing here what is you know this what is the wind what is the sun like like who are we as a people right like why am i so this in the head right like whatever that may look like i i needed answers um and so you know i'll let you ask more questions because i can probably sit here and chit chat about that story forever but like that's kind of where it started and you know my audition was just
It was running away from real, real life because I didn't know how to handle it. Why, I'm asking for myself, why is it so hard to do what seems like such an easy thing? Stop? Yeah. It seems very obvious. Because we look, because we look at like, we look too far ahead, right? Like, I think for me, it was like, and actually I stopped a week before my sobriety date.
And I had stopped drinking for a week and then I ended up drinking. And it was like, for me, it was like, I couldn't look too far ahead. Like, dang, like three months sober seems forever. Like, you know, in that moment. Right. But then,
He really started because I went to AA. I went to AA for like four or five months and that changed my life. There were so many beautiful people that I met in AA and like that really started to allow me to see like I'm not the only one that's really messed up in the world, right? Like there's a lot of people that have a lot bigger problems than me and have a lot, you know, maybe greater addictions than me and are coming in here and standing tall on like what they went through and are like are proud of the lessons that they learned. And like I took a lot from that.
And, you know, people who had way less than me, people were just, they really had all the excuses to drink or to be addicted to whatever it was they were addicted to. To me, I was drinking because I played bad because, you know, me and my wife couldn't figure it out or, you know, friendships or, you know, just excuses about my parents, not knowing my real dad, that hatred I had about him not being in my life. And so for me, it was like starting to go and like,
AA is, you know, one day at a time. And you look and like one day at a time turns into five years. But like we're so focused on like either back there or way over there. Like we don't ever just focus like on the right now. You know what I mean? Like that's the beauty of like what God gave us is the choice and the ability to make like right now.
Right. Yesterday's already happened. Tomorrow's never going to get here. You have the choice to make right now. Like, why can't you? Right. Like, why can't you? What excuses are you making? Again, I was I was there. And so it's like really each individual has to make that conscious choice. One choice.
admitting that you have a problem. I think that's the biggest thing, admitting like, okay, I had a problem. That took a long time for me to admit. Like I have a problem. And even after that, it took me even longer, it took me a little while longer to actually do something about it.
And so I had, I have a problem and I'm constantly wanting to do something about it. What are you going to do about it? Like, you can't just say, okay, I'm going to be done drinking. It doesn't work like that. What are you going to give up? Like, what are you going to go actually go out in the world and create? Whether you go do community service, whether you go to AA, whether you, you know, we had to step outside of our box in order to gain something. Like we live in, you know, a lot of us live in this box of,
I call it like the conditioned mind. Like, it's like, why can't we, you know, I don't know if you ever heard Denzel Washington give that speech at the college where he said the professor gave him, you know, it was like a,
It was like a box of nine dots and you had to connect all the dots, like not picking your pencil up. You had to find a way to connect all the dots. And the only way to solve it was to go outside of the box. You know, I thought that was always fascinating because like we, you know, as the second year born, you're kind of in this box already. Like here's your social security number, here's your name, here's your sometimes religion, here's your race, here's your all this. And you're, as you grow,
as you get older and you know as a child as an adolescence you're conditioned even more into the society that you know that we're in to like hey if you want to be like this you got to act like this you want to do this you got to act like this you're going and it like takes that creativity part away from us right like and like I said bro I can go on forever but it's really just I it's it's focusing on like right now right like right now is all we have and
We have to be able to clear our minds of the clutter in order to do so, and that's where you have to finally go within and find yourself. Do you think you going through, what are some examples of some of the lowest, darkest points? Because obviously you're one of the best athletes on the planet. You're playing in the most competitive league for football against the most competitive people on the planet, the absolute highest level you have for the last 12 years.
and you also have these particles that you've been kind of carrying behind that now it seems like you're in a process of shedding and coming into an deeper version of yourself. What has been the process of starting to be able to, what are some of the things that have stood out for you for you to be able to actually come into authenticity with yourself and honesty with yourself and really examining yourself and getting real with yourself? Absolutely, and that's a great question because like,
I look back and... Because you're a hero. Right. And you have money and you have girls to be attracted to you and you could get a yacht if you wanted to. Right. And there's people celebrating you. You have every reason to not do the work. You know, the world's like, bro, you're good. You're great. First off, I have a beautiful wife. I have a beautiful family. Yeah. And the work that I'm doing is... You know, I... When I started to kind of call it wake up in this world, I...
I see my daughter, she's six, seven, now she's eight. And I'm like, yo, like this world is crazy. Like it is, it's all just crazy. You know, it is crazy. It's crazy. So like, what can I do to help make this world a better place for her? And I'm like thinking like, okay, you can go give talks, you can go do this and that. But like the answer, every time the answer was like, just continue to work on yourself and be the light, like be the light. Like we're doing like being the light.
embodying the work, right? Because we're all human beings of energy. We all have that feeling inside of that energy meter, right? And you know, it's so deep, bro. But like that was, you know, I wanted to find a way to make the world a better place for my family. And, you know, all of the things that have happened to me in my life, like I was so, like I'm thankful, bro. Like I'm so thankful that like
I was able to learn from those lessons and whatever, you know, I go back and I love that, you know, that 12, 12, 13, 14 year old self that was confused about where his real father was yet, why he wasn't in his life. Like, what did I, you know, blaming myself for, you know, him and my mom not working out, whatever that was, I go back and I love that.
All of that, because it's allowed me to gain the awareness that I have right now. And, you know, without maybe one left turn here or one right turn there, you know, it changes the whole reality, right? Like there's multiple realities, but I'm thankful that
I'm in this one right here with the lessons that I've learned, with the hardships that I had to go through, with the bull crap that I had to go through, with the ups, the downs, you know, the good seasons, the bad seasons, the messed up shoulders, bro. Like, it's all part of it. It's all part of my story, and I'm not regretting one little bit of it. Like, yeah, were there some things that, like, I could have did differently? Absolutely. But, like, if I didn't do those things, like, who knows? I wouldn't be sitting here right now, which is what I'm actually extremely thankful for my relationship with.
is as strong as it's ever been. My relationship with my wife, my relationship with my daughter, like, I'm so, this is, it's my child, you know what I mean? Like, she does me, like, she does acts like me. She's a little brute, though. Like, she just, you know, and like, I'm, like, she has an awareness of, like, we go to the store, Daddy, you know, it's Red 40 right there. Probably should work that, you know? Like, I'm just like, yes, like, let's go, you know? And so, I'm just so thankful for the people that are in my life, bro. Like, you know, that I'm around such great people that, oh,
all have a similar understanding like this world that we live in right like it's the the illusion of what we think is reality it's like not all there is right let's broaden our let's broaden our awareness let's broaden our you know our consciousness and then let's do this together like that's i don't know everything about everything bro like and the harness like
We really just making all this shit up. For sure. I'm saying it so it's like, let's do this together, bro. Like, let's have these conversations because isn't that what we're here to be doing? I feel like things, something that's helpful for me as a tool is looking at grown people as children wearing costumes of adults. And when you do that, and I'm doing it with you right now, like you mentioned 12-year-old selves, I'm like seeing, you know, 12-year-old Jordan. Absolutely. And I'm like feeling 12-year-old Aaron. Yeah.
And if you're in, you know, an argument or a fight with your neighbor or your girlfriend or your wife or, you know, it's easier with a kid because you have compassion because they're actually 12. Right. You know, or nine or whatever. You're like, oh, OK, cool. But within the self, there's those versions of ourselves that we're actually still working on. Like there's frozen aspects of ourself that we're still working on. And a lot of the symptoms in our life that are creating conflict, our attraction to that conflict,
I believe is actually unresolved aspects of ourself trying to come out and be seen. And so they fuck our life up. Absolutely. So they get attention. They throw a tantrum. And you become an alcoholic. And you mess up your relationship. And you get into trouble. Yes. I love that in Hollywood. Please clip that. Sick.
What are the qualities that you found? What's the difference between a strong, sturdy, safe, stable, loving relationship with your family and the opposite of that? You both have to have...
It's an agreement, right? Like, we love each other, okay? How are we going to grow together and not just stay stagnant in our relationship? Like, let's communicate. Let's, in a sense, be organized where sometimes my wife or I, you, and I'm not as organized, but like, she's very organized and like, let's just communicate and let's, I'll probably create this balance for you guys. It might be annoying, but it also, no, it's like, maybe you could be a little less organized. Thank you very much. You're a little too much. My wife hasn't made it.
She, I get it, man. She is just awesome. But, like, communication was a big part of, like, what I needed to learn. And, like, for me as a man, like, to, if I wanted my relationship to be better, I had to do things to make it better. It wasn't just going to happen, right? Like, I needed to come home from work. Instead of coming home from work and, like, being drag ass, like, oh, it's a long day at work, go sit on my patio and kind of watch my films. Like, I need to come home and work and be intentional. Yeah.
Hey, babe, how's your day been? You know, what is there anything that I can help you with? Is there anything that you need me to do? Sit down and chat with her for five minutes. Sit down and, you know, have a conversation about whatever it may be. Listen to her. Right. Like just be there. And like and if but like that's to me, it's like so beautiful. Right. Because it's like part of the experience is part of the life experience is like coming home from work. It's been a long day.
"Hey babe, is there anything you're helping with?" "No." "Are you hungry?" "No, I'm okay babe, thank you." "I'm gonna go take the dogs out." "Okay babe, thank you." And hey, you know, and come back in, hey,
What did your day look like? I was pretty shitty. You know, I was this, that, the others. Hop, though. Like, have conversations. Do stuff together. And even, like, it's not, like, don't. You gotta go party. Like, why do we gotta go to the clubs? We used to go to the clubs all the time. That was probably the worst thing that we could've did. You know, go to the clubs, spend some money, get drunk, you know, come home, argue about, you know, who was doing what, you know, looking at who. Again, this was unnecessary stuff. And so, like, now...
Like, we travel. We take Aaliyah. We go to Wyoming, go travel, go do stuff together. And, like, she has my Instagram password. I have her Instagram password. Like, I have nothing to hide. Like, I don't have anything to hide. You know? And it's not like we look at, like, in relationships, it takes two. It takes two to tangle. And there's a lot of people that I know that are, like, in relationship issues because they think the other person should, like,
do extra for them until they do extra for them. That's the stalemate. You know what I mean? Break that step, right? I'll do this for you once you do this for me. And the other person's paired in the exact same thing. So then you just lead this shitty stagnant thing until one of you eventually grows up. Isn't it crazy?
But like, I was there though. I was there. And like, it took, and it's like, it's okay. It's like the world we live in. Like, okay, call it, like, they don't want you to like me. They don't want me to like you. Why, bro? Like, because divided, we, they can, they can, it's more, it's more control over what we got going on in this world, bro. Like, they hate the fact that you and I are. Who's that?
Call it the people at the top running, call it the globalists, call it the, you know, it's divide and conquer. That's why the system is what it is, is the system isn't made for us to be have this awareness. Right. The system is made for us to go to school, to go get a nine to five, to pay your taxes, to be upset about all this.
the stuff going on in the world to eat the food that we're giving you that isn't necessarily helping your immune system. There's, and I know this is sometimes where I go a little far left because like, I mean, it's a beautiful day out here today, but you know, they spraying chemicals in the sky, you know, and we just kind of opened our eyes and like looked at how, like what's going on. Like it's not made for us to be
Right. Like they don't want us to have this awareness to, because when we all understand the answers is love, the answer is light. The answer is joy, gratitude, like joy.
There would be no more control over what's going on in the world. People would be happy as heck about going to work. Like, you know, because, like, that's what's understood. Like, it's understood. Like, we're all, like, bro, I can touch you, bro. Like, I can smell, bro, the air, bro. That simulation feels very real. It's so real. But we just have to, like, pay attention. You know what I mean? Like, holy cow, bro. Like...
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What caused you before, so if you mentioned ayahuasca or maybe, I don't know, spirit or psychedelics or something like that to you a couple few years ago, you would have a different perception of it than you do now?
What was the major catalyst and shift for you to kind of like wake up to some of this stuff? There was a, there was a few in 2020 when, when George Floyd died and when that whole election was going down and I was really, that was kind of like, that was when I stopped drinking. And so I had time to actually like kind of pay attention. I never cared about what was going on in the world. I'd never cared as long as I'm good over here. Like I'm good, bro. Like, but yeah,
As I started to, like, as I stopped drinking and I started to see what the hell is wrong in the world, why are we so divided? Black lives matter. Like, what are we actually having a conversation about? So I donated $10,000 to when George Floyd died to the fun of... And I kind of just followed the paper trail. And I didn't like...
paper trail that I followed it to. And that kind of like struck the nerve to like, okay, what is actually going on? You start to pay attention. We're marching in the streets. Like we're divided by race. We're divided by politics all in the
Like, can we just take a step back and really see what's going on? Like, they want us to be divided. Yeah, it's like we're using division to combat division. It's like all of the language is broken to lead to any form of division. Yes, and I was confused at what we're arguing about. And then COVID came around, and my stance on COVID was pretty damn strong. I was not putting that...
that vaccine in my arm and the NFL was damn near shoving it down people's throats and making it impossible to go to work if you didn't have the vaccine. And so it was like, I started to just like, okay, I started to question a lot of shit and it wasn't really the spirituality part didn't come in until like
When A-Rod was talking on the Pat McAbee show. Rodgers. Yeah. And I had already been questioning a lot of stuff. And in that season, I had a lot of injuries going on. And he was on there. And he was speaking about his experience with ayahuasca. And, you know, a lot of people think he's whatever. Whatever very little you want to think he is, bro. That man knows what he's talking about. And when he was on the TV speaking about it, I knew he knew something that I didn't. And that...
And I paid attention to that that whole season. I think that was the 2021 season, and maybe it's the second to last year in Green Bay. And they weren't that good that year. And I paid attention to how he approached the podium and, you know, just his demeanor. And I knew he knew something that I didn't. And I wanted to explore what he knew. I was already very open-minded about it.
I call myself the black sheep in my family just because my mom is white, my stepdad is Polynesian, my brother, he's half white, half Polynesian, and I grew up half white, half black. I'm just a weird mix. And so as soon as that season got over,
Like, I knew my cousin Logan over there, I hit him up and I was like, yo, bro, I'm going to go down to Costa Rica to explore this medicine called ayahuasca. Never dabbled in psychedelics before. I maybe took one little square of mushrooms and I was scared after that, but, like, never did it before. And...
Losing your identity for the first time on some mushrooms randomly is freaking terrifying. Yeah, well, I didn't even get to that point. It was starting to, like, pull on the veil a little bit. You're like, screw this. Like I said, I went straight to Costa Rica, and I lost it with Mother Aya. She beat me up so good, like, in the most gentle way. What did she urge you up about? What does that look like? Just, like...
Why I was confused about my relationships. Like, I was in a place where I was confused about, like, you know, my relationship with my wife and my relationship with my dad, like, where he was at. Like, you know, my alcohol. Like, I knew those were, like, the top three things that coming in. And, like...
my ego. I didn't even know that that was there, but like my ego was a huge part of my identity as a football player and not even knowing who I was as a human. Yeah. And so really taking that part away from me, um,
it was really hard because that was all I really ever knew. And you have, it's harder for someone in a position like yours, like the ultra super influential, impactful, powerful, rich, famous, whatever people, they're actually kind of at like a spiritual disadvantage in some ways. And in other ways, I could totally, you know, have an argument against that. But in the sense that the world is like praising them.
Whereas if you're an overt drug addict with like track marks in your arm, it's very clear that you need help. Right.
But if you're up on the... You're the person on the podium, it's almost like if you have feelings, I would imagine, you know, if you're... I mean, that's just like men, though. Like, it's like as we grow up, besides them, you start... Hey, if you start to cry, oh, don't cry. Rub some dirt on it. It's like we hold functions and stuff. It has to go somewhere. And it has to go somewhere, bro. Energy, bro. And so, like, all that anger and hate that I had towards my father, all that, it was stored, bro. And I purged it out. Like, I mean, it was... It was...
very liberating experience, very profound, but it changed my perspective on everything. Like,
who I was, what I was doing here, you know, why I was so angry and just, again, loving, loving that 12, 13 year old kid, loving that, you know, 21, 22, 23 year old lost self that was just out in the world trying to figure it out, drinking all the time, thinking that was life and, you know, loving all those lessons that came with it. The good, the bad, the different. And because it's all, it's all part of it, right? It's all part of the same thing. So,
you just keep growing and keep evolving. Like I'm not where I want to be. I want to continue to grow. Like, you know, two years ago I was in a totally different head space. And like the year ago I was even different a week ago. Like, you know, it's just, we continue to grow. We continue to learn and connect and share. And that's to me, like, that's what we're supposed to be doing here. Like is exactly that. And that's how we, we grow. Like, I don't see myself like studying a,
A whole... Bro, I can go deep. I don't want to go that deep. But like, bro, the whole point of us being... What were you going to say? Studying a whole what? It's just like, when you're young, they put these books in front of you to study these specific books, to learn these specific books, because that's the way. And it's like...
There's a lot more ways than just that. And it's like, let's explore. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, there's, we're in this box here and it's like, why are we scared to go outside of this box? Like, what do we think is going to happen? Like, let's explore. Let's step outside.
on this toe of the line let's at least toe the line you know what i mean but like sometimes let's fucking jump yo like i think it's because we know that where whatever has got us here hasn't got us killed and i think our nervous system operates very yeah what is that and so if you can so if you can which easier said than done i mean if you've done you know enough psychedelics or maybe whatever like live some version of a hard life or had maybe near nothing squares or something like that or going through some type of rite of passage if you're part of some culture that does that
Something that I've heard that I like is if you can die before you die, then you'll have a much more richer life after that. But if you're living each day just from the place, like a scarcity mindset around life of like, how do I keep this life? How do I hoard this life?
it's going to restrict you from being able to grow and evolve. But if you can live in that place of true freedom, I'm not saying that I am, but it's, you know, I'm, it's almost just flowing, right? Like in like trusting, trusting, trust. Yeah. How do you trust? Right. You let go, let go of the negative belief system that like, okay, if you're my boss and like, I want to go get a raise or something. And like I said, I'm sitting at home like, ah,
you know, I've been working extremely hard. Like, you know, I, I, I need maybe a rate. Like, nah, he's not going to, he's not going to do that. But like, you don't know that. So like, what's the worst that's going to happen? Hey boss, like, you know, I've been working extremely hard. These are my numbers. Like, you know, what do you think about me getting a raise? Worst thing you're going to tell him? Ah, no. Worst thing that's going to happen, he's going to tell you no. Okay. That's a lesson for you to learn from. Yeah. Or maybe he tells you, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. I've been seeing you working hard. Yeah. Now, like all that thinking you did at the house, like you're like, oh damn.
Okay, cool. Like you take that step. We're creator bees. Yeah. And so like we're supposed to be out creating and the lessons come from you.
me asking you a question and you telling me no, that's the lesson. Okay. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to say it anyway. Something that's interesting that professional athletes go through, that everybody goes through to some degree, but professional athletes have like a very overt version of this, is if you get into the career as a professional athlete, you're almost certainly at some point going to have some type of identity.
identity crisis not for sure but like pretty high odds you'll come to a point where it's like this is how I've identified for the last ever and the average career of a football player I think is like less than three years or something like that and so they're putting their whole entire life in that they're a hero everybody loves them in college and all that stuff like they're the best they're the greatest thing ever and then suddenly a team doesn't want them anymore and
And they're 23 or 24 or 22 or, you know, whatever young age. And they were probably living like a baller for that short amount of time. And now they're in this place of like, oh, who the heck am I? How have you, do you see that as a common thing with professional athletes? And how have you navigated that experience within yourself of who is Jordan Poyer without football? Right. And that's another great question. There are a lot of
like in the sports world it's everything's ego-driven it's i mean in the men men world like but especially in the nfl sports everything is very ego-driven and so like you know guys play with that anger guys play with that you know i play with that anger towards my dad like all right dad you ain't gonna be my life like watch this like watch me become an all-pro watch me become a pro bowler and you ain't got nothing to do with that so like i
That's how I was kind of like my mindset with that. And like, I always, I'm always curious. Cause I, I do think like the medicine changed me in a way to help me realize like I'm more than an athlete because I do think a lot of like times when I was coming up, it was like, my back was against the wall and it says, if I don't, if I'm not, if this ain't it, like,
It ain't nothing else. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's football or nothing. It sucks because what if I get injured? It's so, it's spot on. South by the line. They go, okay. I don't hear you, bro. Like, that's what it is, though. Like, that's exactly what it is. And like, yeah, who knows if I, in another life, like, I got injured and didn't make the league and who knows what that looked like, but.
What was the second part of your question? Who is Jordan Poirier without football? Right. And I'm a light being, bro. Like, I'm a light, bro. Like, football gave me... Football was a platform. It was a tool. It was, you know, and I loved every minute of it. It allowed me to meet my wife, bro. Allowed me to, you know, my daughter. But it was a tool that allowed me to gain an audience that now I can embody this light and embody this...
this way of life, right? And I don't, I don't care what people think about me, bro. Like, I don't really care what people say about me because at the end of the day, like, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. And so I'm going to move and create the world that I want to create because we're in the damn...
Video game, bro. Like, we're in a game, bro. What kind of mystical shit are professional athletes engaging in and not realizing that it's mystical? Manifestation, videozation, rituals. I would say visualization being, I mean, they try to put team psychologists in front of us to, you know, teach us about the right side of the brain, the left side of the brain, and, like, you know, visualization is how it's key. And it was the same thing of, like, you know, before, it was, like,
man we get to a point where it's like okay visualization like what does that mean all right i'm gonna close my eyes and like see myself scoring touchdown okay cool but it's like it's like deeper than that right like it's like really like sitting with yourself maybe doing some breath work and like really feeling that feeling of like you catching a pig or feeling that feeling of you it's feeling into that and like manifesting and something you don't what's the word i'm looking for you don't
don't expect the result right like you can visualize all you want but like you go into a game and like it may not happen that way and that's totally fine but it's just i mean that's that's part of part of the life part of the lesson bro it's like visual visualization prayer i mean team prayers like coming together collectively and no matter what you believe in but like us coming together and like all singing kumbaya together and before we go out there like
A football team is pretty much like a church and a religion. You form like a micro church, micro culture, micro religion. Could you imagine the whole team doing what we just did before a game? Yeah. And getting synced in, bro? Like, that's where I feel the sports is going in the next five to ten years. Well, that's what you're doing when you guys are getting together and, you know, you're doing a thing, a huddle, and you're jumping up and down, and you're going, like, whatever the heck your tradition is. You're doing the hoka before, or whatever it's called, you know, before the game. But it's a different thing, like,
But like having an awareness that you're doing that instead of just doing it. I said hoka, haka. Doing the haka. Yeah. But that's like, that's, that's, that's breath work. That's ritual. That's all of those things stacked together. Absolutely. It's, you're creating that harmony within the team and then with the whole stadium. It's really powerful. But I,
I think the reason that people are so attracted to sport is because they're yearning for God and they're yearning for spirit, they're yearning for connection, they're yearning for unicity. And they're finding that in the form of like people banging helmets together and cheering together and doing the wave together. But they're actually what they're seeking within that, like it's in the guise of foresight.
football or whatever but it's actually like they they want unicity they want that to say that deeper relation we're here to be there's something beyond themselves absolutely that's what we're here it is really beautiful it is me but could you do all spiritualist should imagine if there you imagine if we were aware of that actually like if we were actually aware like this is what we're doing instead of just going and doing it like yeah we're saying the prayer but like
We're aware, like, hey, this is where we come together to get synced in, just like me and you did before we did the podcast. Like, we're coming together to get synced in, to get synchronized before we go out there and play so that we're all in the same vibrational state. Like, that's where I think the sports world is going to be, like, the awareness that we're actually doing it, not just doing it. Yeah, we're doing the wave, but, like, no, like, we're doing the wave. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a difference, bro. It's a difference, bro.
The big difference. How did you specifically use visualization in your football career?
Honestly, what were the mechanics of it? It was the night before the game, the morning before the game. I would do some deep breath work because last year I would do some deep breath work. I didn't play as good as I wanted to play this last year in Miami. I'm 33. I'm not making no excuses. It was a tough season for me. A lot of my routines were breath work before I went to bed.
visualization see me playing the game was playing the game like and not like not judging the result that I'm coming so wherever I'm playing I'm literally playing the game at safety and you know running in making tackles you know making picks and just visualizing myself in successful ways and like the morning I would do the same thing right before we run out of the tunnel I would
I would do a deep, deep, like, calming, like, just grounding breath work to, like, get me just locked into what I – I absolutely loved it, bro. Like, it was the first year that I actually incorporated that into a lot of my practice, and I absolutely loved it. Again, I didn't play as well as I wanted to, but, like, I went into the games, and I felt clear-minded. I felt locked in, and, like, I was looking at me like I'd be sitting in my locker, like, really, like, getting a 20-, 25-minute breath work session in and,
what are you doing bro like bro tap in bro for more were there ways that you were using visualization and ritual earlier in your career but not calling it visualization ritual no i i i do i was using this as a visualization early in my career um really as far as i can remember um and again like
It's just like meditation in a way. The first time you ever meditated, you're probably sitting there like, what the F am I doing? And it's like,
as you practice it, as you, like, it's not something that you just do one time. It's like, it's a practice, right? Like you have to learn how to get into that state of mind to feel the feelings of catching that pick, to feel the crowd roaring, to feel the damn hit stick that you had, really feel that. And like, you know, and like,
That early on in my career, it was all the same thing. I was learning what that meant. Even now, not even in football, I visualize success in my business, in my life, in my relationships, in everything that I do. I do believe that we are
Like I said, we're creative beings. What we put out into the universe is what we get back. So you wake up in the morning and tell yourself, I'm thankful for you. I love you, bro. Like, keep going. Like, you're a light, brother. Like, just keep going. Follow your heart. And I'll see you tonight. Did you get an interception from Tom Brady? I do. What does it feel like to, how I call it, take an interception, catch an interception? How would I call that? Catch a pick? What does it feel like to catch a pick from Tom Brady?
I was a surreal moment in my life. And that was probably a moment that changed really my football trajectory career. Gave me so much confidence. Oh, it gave me... And I took it to the house, too. We lost that game. I didn't give a damn. Um...
But yeah, bro, that was 2017. They were in a bunch route and he tried to throw a little Zampezi and I just jumped it, caught it, rolled over, got up, scored a touchdown. I was mic'd up in that game. When I get back to the sideline and the camera's on me and I'm just like, dog, did that just happen, bro? It happened so fast, bro. It happened so fast.
But, like, that moment was pretty cool. And then I picked him off the next year, the first play of the second quarter. We tried to throw, like, a hot rod to Edelman, and it tipped off his fingers. And I, like, I caught him over my shoulder. So I got two on him. I got one on Brady, too. Or on the rod. A-rod. Yeah. He don't like that. You always want to say, oh, yeah, it was a pit bull. That's all right.
Who's a better quarterback between Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady? I gotta go with my dog. When I'm growing, it ain't better. It's my dog, bro. I'm gonna get a lot of friends with that. I don't care, bro. It's my dog. Why? He's more consistent, right? As far as like, and Tom Brady's got the team around him. No, no, it's, it was more biased. And to be honest, like, they're both, I've heard Tom Brady say something along the lines of Aaron Rodgers would be a better quarterback, is a better quarterback, but except
They just didn't have the team around them. It's hard to say. I never like to say the Williams that are better, right? Because they're both great, and they both are great in their own way. You can't say, I don't like to say he's better than him because X, Y, Z, bro. Yeah, Tom run seven Super Bowls. He's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Some of the stuff A-Rod was doing with his feet, with his arm. I mean, what?
What makes Aaron Rodgers so special? He's his competitor, and he's very smart. And to be honest, he can still move a little bit. But back when he was in his prime, he was moving. He was getting out of the pocket. He had great pocket awareness. He had arm strength that he could throw the ball on a dime. I didn't realize that football could be thrown like that until I didn't realize. With some zing, too. So I had the opportunity to play catch with him.
with him and I still actually have a jammed thumb from it because I didn't realize what was going to happen when he just lightly threw the ball and there's something happening with the mechanics of his wrist and shoulder and torso where it doesn't look like he's doing a lot but the amount of power that comes out from the throw is unreasonable. It is crazy. What makes a great athlete? What makes a great
I think being consistent in your work. Everybody's fast, everybody's big, everybody's strong. And really continue to hone in on the technique and fundamentals and really learn the game. Like I said, I think I was talking earlier about guys coming into the league,
You know, the way the game is changing is really fascinating. It's because the way college is now, like guys are able to transfer. Guys are coming into the league with not a very good grasp of like the football IQ part of it, right? Like where your eyes are supposed to be, where your feet are supposed to be, where your landmarks, right? Yeah.
Like, you know, where, where are your drops in cover three? Like what is, you know, it's simple things like where are you dropping in the curl flat? Where are you dropping in the hook? Um, where are you dropping in the scene? And like, do you know the term interoception? Interoception is the sensation that you have your relationship inside of your body. So interoception would be like awareness of like your heart rate or body temperature or digestion or just like the wing. Yeah.
Like you can feel it. Some people have higher interoception. A way that you can check out your interoceptive ability would be how closely you can guess the time. So a person like right now, you know, whatever time it is, you know, you're like, oh, it's 11, whatever. It's like, oh, cool. You're actually like three minutes off. Wow. That would be an indication because of where you...
you process interoception in time or in several places in the body. So a fun like trick you can explore within yourself would be like, how good are you at managing time? Or just like having a gas sensation at the time. But things you can do to strengthen it would be just paying attention to counting your heart rates or your heartbeats. So can you just sit
in silence and be able to start a timer for 60 seconds and count your heart rate. And then you can, after that, actually take your pulse and you can see side by side how closely you're able to actually measure your heart rate. So how close of a relationship you have to feeling your body as you're talking.
it feels to me like one of the secret sauces of a really good athlete is almost like having an interoceptive
of the body of the field. I like that. Absolutely. It's just, I'm in Beijing. That's why Tom Brady was an A-rider so great is because they didn't just see like right here. Like they saw all 22, all I guess, you know, 21 players on the field. Yeah. And they were, they knew all of them were going and it's just like,
You can see the way that people like, which I don't know a lot about football, but I would imagine you can see the way we're lighting up and kind of just get a sense. It's almost like probably like this. I'm Brady. You're not here playing like some rookie and first year DBs. Like, I mean,
those guys are out there boot shaking already so like one guy's just going to tip off the whole defense you know one guy's then laying lining up in a press you know you're playing man-to-man and every you know you got the quarters maybe off of this nickel he's out there playing press and okay it's man-to-man like you know and it's like there's some swagginess to playing defense right it's like when you played Tom Brady and what's the crazy crazy stat I don't like mentioning this but I'll say I picked him off twice uh but I'm only 12 against Tom Brady was a crazy stat
But I did make them off twice for it. What is the, what does it feel like going out to some of the biggest games that you've had? Like the sensation in your body? How do you, like for a person that is, you know, an electrician, you know, and they have a family and they're living a probably a really like beautiful model life in a lot of ways, but they might aspire to be like, wow, like what an experience that would be to have all of the glory and all of that.
What is the sensation within yourself going into some of the biggest games of your life? Yeah, it's almost like, it's like the man in the arena, right? It's like, you know, you worked each, each one of those games. Like each one is a big game. Like, you know, each one that I play always feels like it's the biggest game.
of my life because it's the next game. Like I work all of my life to get to like this game right here. And like, this is the next thing game. And so like, does it ever become normal? Absolutely. Oh yeah, absolutely. And like, I mean, by the last three, four or five years,
it was like hey we pulled up to the game let's go rock you know what i'm saying it's like there's nothing but the first two i started my first game ever it was the eagles played in philadelphia and i started at nickel um it was the eagles versus the washington redskins on monday night football and one of our nickels got hurt on the thursday practice so like i got called to play start at nickel bro talking about boot shaking but i was out there like
Like, holy cow. Does that argue better or worse as a player if you're in that place where you're freaking out? I mean, it's all growing pains. Like, you know, for me, that was the growing pains. I mean, I got Vernon Davis ran an angle route on me, scored a touchdown. And like, you know, if I didn't have that then at some point, like when I got in the game, it was like it was it's just all part of it. Right. Like, you know, not.
every it's your rookie's first snap and it's like you know any rookie's first snap is always gonna be memorable any ricky's first game is always in the memorable right and it's like you look up you're like holy shit i got rg3 over there deshaun jackson it must be unreal you know what i mean and i'm in the freaking fedex field like oh my gosh it's monday night football like
Yeah, it's a, it's pretty, I mean, but that's why I do it. That's why I played. I love those feelings. I love the big plays, the feeling of like the whole arena looking at you because you made the play, right? Like, it's not like that. How are people in the NFL, again, doing some of the nervous system regulation stuff? Like, I feel like now breathwork and such is probably becoming more common and normal.
How are players regulating themselves without knowing anything around, like, techniques or language or anything? Is there any, like, things that you see of, like, oh, like, that's what, like, you're extending your exhalation or you're shaking yourself out or you're... I'm going to be honest, bro. Like, I... In...
And what could be bestowed upon the NFL to make it a better place for players? I think having these conversations, right, and part of your ego has to die to, I don't want to say die, but to step into this space, you've got to be like, okay, I'm going to do sound. I'm going to sit clear and breathe really hard. It's like there's a part of,
There's a stigma to this space, especially in the athlete world, that I think that some don't want to be seen stepping into because it's woo-woo style. And that's partly... Which is a lot of bullshit in the woo-woo space. Oh, I mean, absolutely. But guys are comfortable being comfortable, and this is not necessarily...
like a comfortable place to start to like go into, right? And like, you kind of have to go outside of your box to go sit with somebody and like allow them to guide you through, you know, a breathwork session or allow them to guide you through some Reiki or allow them to guide, whatever that may look like. I started doing sound bowls every Friday in Buffalo. Oh, cool. Taylor Rapp, Will, one of our strength conditioning coaches. And we,
every Friday we just play sound bowls and like just be and it was beautiful like it was memory of that I'll always cherish but it's not like that's where I say like I do think in like the next five hopefully less that like this is gonna be more discussed like our bodies what our bodies have and the power that our our minds are and the power that our bodies have within to be able if we can just tap in and have the awareness of like what the breath does how we can connect if you could just
coach 20 year old Jordan Poyer and provide him two to three tools to be able to improve the quality of his body and his mind what would be two to three tools that you'd get him tell him to stop drinking stop drinking asshole I'm drinking but I still love you I would tell him to keep keep following his heart because he did
Even in times of darkness, even in times where, like, obviously back against the wall, like, if you're playing football, it's nothing else. But then I would also tell him to continue to find yourself outside of the wall, right? And... But, like...
You know, those are all my lessons. So it's hard. I would like to go back and say, like, I would like to play the, like, coulda, shoulda, woulda, coulda. Cheesy question. No, it's fine. But, like, that's where I would tell. Because all of those, like I said, one right turn or one left turn, who knows where I'd end up. Maybe I don't meet my family. Maybe I'm in the middle of the ocean somewhere. I don't know. But, like, if we were playing another game, yeah, I would tell him. I would tell him those three things. But I'm thankful for that guy for doing what he did and for just continuing to move.
How do you deal with playing in Buffalo where I imagine fans are pretty, could be pretty harsh when you didn't play well and you go from being a hero to being a villain and the whole world's, what it feels like in your micro world, which feels like the whole world is suddenly shitting on you. And especially when I got to Miami and then, you know, I played and, you know, Bill's fans are upset at me because of,
Me playing football and hitting Tion Coleman on a third and 12 when he was up in the air and I'm going to make a play. I think they're divided on whether they like me or not. I don't really care. I had an amazing seven years out in Buffalo and their fans are the best fans around the league and they're just so passionate about football. But at the same time, it's like,
Like, what is that thing I was going out there to hurt Keon, bro? It's like, bro, like, come on. I'm playing football. I love my time out there. I love my time here in South Florida. Like, I'm just living my life and enjoying every moment of it. I don't feel like I owe Buffalo, like, anything. Like, I did everything that I could out there. I put my heart, sweat, my blood, sweat, and tears for him.
That football program for that city, I became an all-pro. I was a pro bowler. Those are two things that no league can ever take away from me. I had 24, 23 picks. No, it might be 22. I think one got called back. 22 picks. I had two years of five interception years out there with over 100 tapas. I was balling out there. When you were at the peak of your career, how was your relationship with yourself? It wasn't good. How do you explain that?
Cause I, again, it was just very like, I'm playing football and football, everything's when football is going crazy. I mean, all these accolades, pro bowl, you know, and like still not knowing who I was. It's still like that question that's deep within. Okay. Well, like,
what are you gonna do when you don't play, right, what is, who are you when you don't play, you can't be a football player forever, right, and it's the same question, essentially, when I was 12, 13, well, if there ain't football, there ain't gonna be nothing else, you better put all your marvels into this, I didn't have an identity outside of it, yeah, it was amazing, felt amazing, everybody clapping for you, everybody praising you, all this, and the other, but, like, still, I knew deep down, like,
There was something I needed to figure something out because this wasn't going to last forever. It was like a high that I knew wasn't going to last forever. And then when I came down, I needed to be ready for real life calling. Yeah. What do you think about the journey of loving yourself? It sounds a little soft. Right. And it's...
Very important. It's the most important. And I think you've heard me say it all, podcast alone, is like going back and loving that 12-year-old, 13-year-old, every self that came before me to right now. And it's like, I don't think you could fully love, I don't think I could fully love my wife without fully loving myself. Yeah, you can love her to the degree that you're able to love yourself.
and vice versa and you guys are teachers to each other reflections to each other and she's the same way like we have beautiful conversations we have different even ideas of how the world works and that's fine she has a belief system that's
But I love our conversations. Does that make your relationship stronger? I do believe so. Yeah. Because we, she probably keeps like an anchor of sorts is my guess. But I don't know. She sees, she sees how this has helped me and how this has, how it's helped our relationships, helped my relationship with my daughter. You know, I'm more organized around the house. I'm picking my shit up.
from throwing in the laundry and you just throwing it on the ground, you know? Like, I'm just, the little stuff that she sees that I continue to work on, right? And it's not just, it's not like I'm stopping right now to, hey, I made it, I arrived. No, it's like just continuing to just be the best version of yourself and whatever that looks like in each moment. And it's really helped my relationship with myself and my family and people that I'm a railroad person.
If there was a percentage, this is another dumb question, of like love for yourself, how full do you think your cup of love is? After I just got back from Brazil, that thing is about 120. Boy, you know, like I fill that thing up with so, I fill my cup up so much out there, bro. I just am ready to pour it all out there. That's really out there, man. Because why? How does a person do that?
just being, bro, like being and being happy and singing and dancing and connecting and sharing and
and just loving and just not, you know, like we're just so cluttered up in the mind. Like, why can't we just connect and share and like have high vibrational conversations and do some yoga? Why can't we? Why can't we? Why can't we? Like we're just so caught up in the rat race and trying to one up somebody and trying to become a better, become, you know, whatever that variable is, bro. But it's like, let's do this together, bro. Like we're in this together. Like we're a thing. What are we doing here other than
Trying to be here together. We're one. We're a collective. Like, we are a web of a collectiveness and, like, assassin. And you dive into it, bro. What's the shadow stuff within you that could come up if your back's up against a wall and you're in a kind of fight-flight reactive place? Or do you think that you've resolved that and integrated that? Are you saying, like, well... Because right now, like, love, joy, light, all that stuff, ideally we could, like, operate in that all the time.
And then that can kind of shift when a person feels threatened. Absolutely. And I've had a discussion a couple of times. It's like, okay, if somebody were to come to your house and like bang on your door and try to do something, like, are you going to answer with love and grass? They're all like, no, like I'm going to like, we all has yin and yang. Like I have,
It in me, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it, I might lose the boxing match, but like, I'm going to fight, bro. It might just be what it is, but like, I know I had, like, it's not a darkness either. It's like, there's a, there's a mean, bro. It's like being able to, being able to,
control the darkness and be the light. Like, if the darkness needs to... It's not in darkness either. Like, I'm protecting my family, right? Like, why is somebody threatening my family? You'd rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war, which I think is where a lot of, like, the New Age spiritual movement is kind of bullshit because it's like...
it's a lot of gardening, but without access to any of the tools for strength, stability, integrity, maybe not integrity, but strength, stability, like something that I do with, with I'm training with someone, something that I say a lot is if it's not, if the movement that you're doing couldn't be lethal, it doesn't actually create the potential for like combat. It's probably not worth doing. Like if you're just isolating a specific muscle and kind of disconnect you from the rest of the body, um,
It's fine, but you would never actually, there's nothing lethal about it. There's nothing dangerous about that. Like Jordan Peterson talks about that as well. It's like, you need to be dangerous and then be able to manage and yield that correctly. If you're not actually dangerous, I think that there's, um, there's something we can absolutely like strength is being dangerous and being able to manage it. Yes. I think he said that a lot better than I did, but like, well, whatever. Yeah. Um, what else, what else is, what else is like, like alive for you?
everything brother everything man i uh i started a conscious community um we call it illuminate where again we're just trying to i'm trying to use my platform to help build this awareness and it's not even just around plant medicine but it's around like the self right and like change the conversation i think the conversation the main conversation needs to be how do we collectively become more conscious and more aware of our thoughts of our intentions of our words right like
society was the the the west like was so caught in the rat race was so caught in everything like that's going on like we don't ever just sit and have conversations oh like let's just sit and have conversations and talk about what's really going on you know and and so i i want to use that's again like so thank you for allowing me to come on here bro this is dope um but because this is what i want to be doing bro i want to be having these conversations i'm like telling my story and like
Because we all have a story, right? We all have a story, and we all should be telling it. I'm telling mine, because we can all learn from each other. That's how we grow together, right? That's why we're here. It's not me versus you. It's not him versus me. It's not white versus black, blue versus red. We're here together, bro. Let's do some breath for it, bro. Let's do some psychedelic, bro. Sincerity. So something, something before I have you.
When you were at the peak of your career, you loved yourself the least. True. I would say, I would say I just, I, yeah. And I didn't cause I didn't know myself. What's the recipe for being able to alchemize a kind of what seems like, you know, I don't know, a lack of self-love for lack of better words, uh, into, uh,
at least success on the field or material success? Because that's a very common thing with a lot of hyper-successful people. Absolutely. What is the recipe? Because another option is to destroy yourself. Right. And I mean, there's a fine line and everybody's going to be different. I mean, I guess to answer that question is to just accept what has become. And again, there's a fine line because a lot of people use that
performance, right? Like they use that... It's like stairway. ...edge, right? Yeah, it's like a chip on your shoulder. Yeah, exactly. And so like there's a fine line to be able to alchemize and I mean, I'm hoping at some point somebody finds the correct, the perfect recipe. But I think that's each individual's, you know, each individual's on their own journey and for them to
accept what has become and even accept what's going to become and just like and just beefy man we just gotta be bro we just gotta be who's an example of an athlete that you look up to that has a balance of family relationships their cup of self-love runs high and they're a baller in their sport i i
I'm going to say a name that probably not a lot of people will remember. I'm going to say my boy Taylor Rapp. And he's a safety for the Bills. He has a beautiful child on the way. I think he just got married last offseason. But he's tapped in. I don't know.
And, you know, everybody's on their own journey, but he's definitely tapped in and he's been able to kind of alchemize that into his own way. And again, everybody, I think everybody's, everybody's own recipe to figure out, right? We all have different stuff that we've gone through and being able to, you know,
put that into your own form and like take the lessons. Like, that's how I learned. I take lessons from you. I take lessons from him. Yeah, but I take lessons from him and I incorporate that in my own life. And, you know, there's, I don't think there's one specific thing that we all can do. And that's, I mean, that's, that's like psychedelics, right? Like you're on your own. Like, I'm going to be able to think you would have been a worse player if you loved yourself. I don't know. Because I think about that question because like,
A lot of comedians are scared of taking psychedelics because they'll lose their edge. I'll lose my funny. Right. Some of this, like, inner turmoil and torment is actually what, like, drives all of this. I had this conversation with my brother last night because you have this realization, like, dang, like, I don't have to be angry at that or I don't have to be like that or I don't have to act like that. And you're like, holy cow, like, I'm more than this. And it's like, all you've ever really known was this. And so your mind is already...
programmed and conditioned to be this, which is fine in that element. But like, once you get out of being a comedian, once you get out of being a football player, like there's like, I always think like, okay, maybe plant medicine is better for players when they come out, when they, when they, when they're retiring, because there are a lot of guys that,
struggle with that transition of like that identity because I would hate I had a buddy that I wanted to take to Costa Rica and had a really deep conversation right he plays football and he's a very good very good player and you know I told him I think he should wait and you know he's on his own journey and you know if he wanted to come he wanted to come but you know because again
you know, there's, who knows what can happen. You can go and maybe sit with it and find another edge, but, you know, A-Rod went inside with it and won an MVP. So like, you know, who knows? Each person is different. Like, I don't think there, it's not fair to me to tell one person, like, yes, you'll have an edge or you'll keep your edge or, because it might, you might not. Like, it might not happen that way. And so for me, it,
I would say, like, I realized a lot more that I was a lot more than a football player once I sat with the medicine. And the edge that I had playing with the ball, yeah, it went away to a certain extent. I heard a coach, some coach for some team, I think it was basketball, paraphrasing, saying some of the lines of the key to a good player is knowing enough to play the game well, but not so much to realize that the game doesn't matter. You get to a point where you're like,
Indeed, that's really what it is. What are we really doing here? What are you doing, bro? I mean, now I'm... I mean, now I'm... That's crazy. Thank you, man. Bro, thank you, bro. This is fun, absolutely. This is super dope. I always shake, so I'm gonna need that damn yoga again, bro. Again, bro. If people want to support your...
or, you know, is there a place that people can go from here? Maybe it's just look you up. Yeah, absolutely. You can follow at luminaid.nbs on Instagram. It's our conscious community that we've been building over the last probably eight or nine months. We have events where we serve cacao. We do yoga, breath work, meditation. We also have retreats that we're hosting. I don't know, three retreats coming out in Costa Rica where we go back to residence.
just in a town called Estaditos and three retreats we have athletes coming we have our Luminate community and we have a family retreat all the month of March so really excited to go sit with some family members sit with some athletes and just grow man that's what it's about thank you appreciate you brother I appreciate you absolutely alright that's it that's all see you next week
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