Matias De Stefano: The Man Who Remembers His Past Lives | Align Podcast #528
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Welcome back to the live podcast. My name is Aaron Alexander. This conversation is with the brilliant Matthias DeStefano. He is considered widely as one of the most influential spiritual teachers of our time. He has access to information unlike a lot of people. He is a channel. You can go deeper into his work in the four season docuseries on Gaia.

I think they did something like 47 episodes where he explores the lost city of Atlantis as well as Egypt and

He lived in or beside and spent every day at the Great Pyramid in Egypt doing his thing, channeling for over a year. He is a really fascinating character. So this conversation goes into much in the realm of mentalism, the way that our minds construct our reality, how we can tap into some of those aspects to be able to create our reality more efficiently.

So,

Enjoy, get some popcorn, take some notes, share this with a friend, and check out the Align Podcast YouTube channel for the video version of this. That is it. That is all. Enjoy the conversation. How do you describe yourself? Are you like a channel? An appropriate term? Is language not fit properly? I would say I am a portal, and I...

work with portals around the planet, but my main mission is to remember all those missing links. So I would say I'm a rememberer. What have we forgotten? As a system, I have forgotten one thing that relocated everything in a different position. So, um,

I'm trying to find out all the clues to put everything that I have looking for in the right position. So I have forgotten some of those clues. Do you feel like culture is experiencing, I've heard it said and I've repeated it, culture is experiencing like a form of amnesia and we're

We're in a place of forgetting our true nature and we're kind of trapped in these like ego systems. Yes, yes. We have been trying to survive in this world, in this reality for a long time because we...

as humanity, we are not humans, actually. We are consciousness. And when you start to become aware of that, then you realize that everything that exists, every nature, every animal, plant, human, is basically a vessel or a program for that consciousness to express itself. So I think that one of the

One of the conflicts that we had is that we believed too much that we are humans. And we defend that with all our being because we want to survive as humans. And that keeps us trapped in just a tiny slice of what consciousness is. What do you feel is the root of suffering in the human experience? Separation. We separate ourselves from everything.

So we believe we are alone and we believe we are separate from a plant, from another human, from cells, from our own experience and our own mind. So we see everything separated. That's why we suffer all the time. Is that a constructive tool, separation? Or is that something that's exclusively detractive from the human experience and our expression?

It is completely evolutionary. It helps. Separation is like saying you have one and you have to divide it in billions and billions of pieces in order to create awareness. It's like today, like AI works today. Like the most amount of data you can access, it creates a bigger picture. So when you have only one consciousness,

you only have aware of the one. But when the one divides and separates itself, it creates more links. So it's the same way as our brain works. With more neurons, we have more abilities. So we need division in order to create a bigger picture. The thing is that

When we start to divide more and more and more, suddenly the same system that is useful for consciousness becomes a trap of certain neurons or certain individuals that believe that because they are separating, they cannot see the whole picture. They actually just lock themselves in the separation. So the same thing that makes us suffer is actually the grace of the divine. But

We have to stop or transcend the idea that we are separating ourselves. And still we should understand that we are just expanding ourselves. Have you heard that there is, it's becoming like an epidemic issue of myopia? People are becoming short-sighted. They're only able to see up close. And a part of this is being...

domesticated, like in a house for too much time because sunlight exposure is incredibly important to the structure and function and shape of the eye, uh, as well as, you know, looking at things up close all the time. That's actually, it takes contraction, muscular contraction to be able to refract light, to see things up close and put, and, and put it into focus. Um,

And it's interesting as you're saying that to me, it goes, it seems like there's like as above, so below culturally, we're going into myopia as an expression of our eyes. And also simultaneously, like energetically, there's like, there's like a, we're becoming trapped in myopia as well. It's interesting that there's like a physical manifestation of that. Totally. Yeah. We, we only can see whatever is in front of us when actually there's so much more.

And eventually we will start to believe that whatever we have in front is the only truth, is the only thing. So that's what has been happening with everyone. That's our conscious pandemic. Was it the Great Pyramid that you lived on?

Is that right? Yeah. Well, I didn't live inside, but I live outside. You went outside and you spent every day there for? I went inside the pyramid 370 days in a row. Yeah. How much time do you spend in the pyramid for the 370 days, like each day on average? Well, let's say 370 hours or 360 hours.

uh there was one hour per day and then uh some of those days actually i spent three nights in a row so i slept inside the pyramid uh receiving people every two hours so that was like nine hours yeah nine

Yeah, like nine hours per night. Why did you do that? The pyramid was designed to access all the planet and different dimensions. So if you want to be everywhere in the planet at the same place, at the same moment, you go inside the Great Pyramid. But to access...

all the information of every point in the planet, you have to access the pyramid, not just as a tourist. You have to access in a way that you can actually resound with the pyramid. You can actually become the pyramid itself, not just a human inside the pyramid. You have to become it. So it's all, the pyramid is not just a stone structure. The pyramid is math.

is basically it's like the board of a computer. It's all this geometry and math and calculations that allows you to access every point in this planet and the solar system. So that's why when I went there, I was trying to transform myself in order to

I access certain data that would allow me to show to other people how to draw or to walk an inner path to reorganize yourself. So that's one of the reasons why I did it. That's why I did it under a project called YoSoy, which means I am.

So it was a constant understanding of I am the earth. I am this structure. I am the universe. So how can I walk the path as a human to understand that I am all that? Who created the pyramids and why were they created? The pyramids weren't, weren't created by a big mind that it goes beyond this planet, but it was not like spaceships building it. Uh,

But let's say that when a planet becomes conscious, when a planet develops a being that is able to think like humans do, different planets that are in the same process of evolution, they start to hear and to sense things.

those planets like if it's a spider web and suddenly the earth starts to vibrate in a different way so the other planets that are resounding with it can hear it so through vibration without the need of traveling from one planet to the other they started to send maps so this is the maps for the universe it seems like

The way you're describing is almost like the planets are nodes within a mycelial network, like a communicative network, which I've never thought about that. You're just kind of bending my mind into that direction right now. But it's kind of an interesting way to look at the solar system or solar systems.

Yeah, think about that. It's like you can say there are trees, there are bees, there are mushrooms, they're all connected in symphony. So when one of them changes the frequency, those who are aligned without frequency can hear it. So there was a moment a few thousand years ago that the planet Earth entered in a specific resonance that other worlds that were in evolution didn't.

they could hear it. So because of that, because we were in the same radio station, let's say, the people from this planet were able to channel and download the maps of how to build structures where you can actually access time and you can travel through time and space by just closing your eyes and tuning in the right frequency in the right angle and time and space is incredible.

So it's an alien technology, but done by humans. When humans connected with all the others that are around. So there was a moment that we changed the tune. So when we changed the tune, we couldn't hear them anymore. And that's why we are just trapped in this planet. Who or what physically constructed the pyramids? Atlantans.

They call it Plato column Atlanteans.

of course. He called them Atlanteans because these people used to come from the Atlas Mountains. And the Atlas are in Morocco and Spain. So on the other side is the islands of Atlantis, which is Canary Islands, Madeira, Azores. That's how the Greek people used to call the islands from the Atlas. So that's why Atlantis is

but actually this ancient civilization that was not called Atlantis, they were a civilization designed by other people from other worlds. And they were humans, but a big part of them were not. What kind of tools or energies were used to actually construct the pyramids? Sound. They build the structure of sound.

And in order to build a pyramid, you needed like... I don't remember the time when they built it, but I know because of teachers that we had in the times that I remember that they needed to understand the technology of voice. They needed to understand the technology of sound in order to actually move the stones, cut them correctly. And for that, you needed to become one with water. Water needed to have a specific information, right?

of what are you doing. So it was a whole relationship with the elements, with fire, with water, with earth, to tune everyone that was working there. So there were no slaves, as some books say. There were no slaves. Everyone knew exactly what they were doing because every slice, every cut of the stone was fully aware of

And you had to become one with water. You had to become one with the earth. So mainly it was the technology of sound that we are not there yet. For the Atlanteans to speak and to sing and to dance, it was technology. It was not culture. And you have access to a previous incarnation as an Atlantean person.

Yes. What is he or she like? What was his or her experience? I was a woman and I was in charge of a community in that time. It was a matriarchal society. So circles of women were ruling the territory. I was living in the Nile.

It was a colony from Atlantis. So my great-grandparents moved from the main islands to the Nile, to the river. And my whole task there was to take care that the communication between the sult, which was, we call the sult, the

the different villages that are like one. Like, let's call nation. For us, we say nation. For the Atlantean language, it's suit. And the suit is to bring clarity to the communications between all of them. So that was my...

one of my main goals there. Are you able to access a variety of past incarnations of self? And what is the self? I had, I have many memories from different lives, but of course it's not Matias. It's not my soul. It's just in the same way as I described the planets,

for example, Earth, let's say, and another planet in another system, maybe in Sirius, when they find the right tune, they can hear each other or sense each other. So the same way you can access to someone that is in the past or the future. So you can tune in different timelines with someone

Through your higher self, which is the self that you share with many. It's like if you connect with the stars or let's say to make it more simple, it's like if I want to speak as Earth, I want to speak with Jupiter, it's easier to use the sun as a pulse for me to communicate to Jupiter than actually Earth.

taking a spaceship to go to jupiter it's like a more crude technology in a way the latter so you go from from earth you connect with the light of the sun you become light and light will arrive to the earth in eight minutes and it will arrive to jupiter in i don't know an hour

or so i don't know how long it is but um if you have to take a ship it will take like a whole year to get there when through light is just one hour so um so kind of like that you can also communicate through time when you become light the self is not anymore earth or matthias

is that light that is connected to different many beings, many selves in other realities. And so is to become light because we already, like one of the realities is that we already are light and we are just a perpetuation of the sun. And there's probably layers behind that somewhere as well, I presume.

Is that just a focusing of perception, like the spotlight of consciousness to the light to be able to access the information within it? Yeah, you have to become light. And right now, our whole structure believes that we are not. Our whole structure believes we are matter. But matter is basically energy. So energy is light. Right.

So that's why one of the ways in which you can access all this data is when you allow yourself to release the ego. And the ego is not something bad. The ego is like saying gravity.

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It's like carrier. It's a vessel. It's the one that helps you to basically understand that from everything that exists, this is you. So if you don't have that, you don't have consciousness. You don't have experiences. It allows you to like reach out and put food into your face as opposed to like feeding the tree and, you know, whatever, feeding the desk. It's like, I know, like, all right, take care of the vessel. Cool. But don't get lost in the vessel. Yeah.

So it's just getting used to know how to use and take benefit from that ego instead of being used by the ego. If you don't know how to use the ego, then the ego takes you. So that's why a lot of people when they say you have to release the ego or not have ego in order to be more spiritual, that's a problem there because it's like saying I can have a car but

And I don't know how to drive it, but I can just try get in. So you can, you can, you can kill us all. Yeah. You need to know how to drive an Evo. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. Um, how does a person start to access what's like the training wheels version for a person to be able to access, um,

their higher selves or the consciousness behind the ego? Is it just kind of sit and be quiet with yourself or is there any kind of faster, you know, are there some hacks? I would say that there are different ways for different people. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't say like,

I don't know, for an Aquarius person, I wouldn't recommend the same thing that I would recommend for a Leo, for example. Of course, it's completely different. If you have a completely different design, your personal story, how do you deal with your traumas? Because, of course, for some people, I would say, oh, you have to do Bufo.

And for a lot of people, I would say, oh, you just have to eat less sugar and sit and meditate in the garden. Because for some people to reach that connection, it takes many years and a long detox of culture, beliefs and everything. And for some people, it's like a shock. They need a shock recovery.

to crack some code. So I would actually say or recommend to anybody that is trying to connect more with the higher self to try to figure out and to analyze in their lives the moments that

that shifted their lives and how did it... Was it? How was it? For some people, they became more aware about something because of a disease, because of a trauma, an accident or...

break up, whatever. So, and for some others, it's like very slow and it's just because I met someone, I did a course and then I did meditation and then it was yoga and blah. So for some people, it takes a long time to do that connection. So I would say to pay attention in what is the way for your body to assimilate data, to assimilate information. Because the same thing that can connect you

with the higher self, that they connect someone with the higher self in such a powerful way, it could be traumatic for someone else.

So it's not the same for everybody. And we are designed in a completely different way. So I wouldn't say, oh, these are the best ways. But I would totally say, I usually say there are three things that helps everybody to be more connected with themselves. First, which is taking care of what you eat.

because that changed the chemical components of your body, which means that there's going to be more light running out, running around the body. The other one is how you breathe. To become aware of how you breathe, it balances the positive and negative energies of your body. So that is also a way to find clarity.

So pay attention to how you eat and how you breathe. And the third one would be to laugh more. Laughter is very important. But laughter without the other two...

Sometimes it's not right for that connection. Laughter is when you allow yourself to release and laughter mainly when you allow yourself to laugh about yourself. When you see the incongruence or when you see your incoherence and you allow yourself to laugh instead of being angry or frustrated or something. So that's another proof of enlightenment. So...

I think it's very, very important to have those three in mind in order to know that that's the slow way to change the everyday life. Because sometimes you connect yourself in just one minute, let's say with a booth ceremony, you connect yourself with, wow, I saw everything. And then you don't know how to put it in your life.

Like you go back to your work, you go back to eat, and how do you bring that divine into this matter? So for that, you need like this specific... Eat, breathe, laugh. No. I said eat, breathe, laugh. Yeah, yeah. Pay attention to what you eat, how you breathe, and how you laugh. Yeah, it seems like the wisest people tend to laugh at things a lot. I feel like there's a correlation of wisdom and laughter. Yeah.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. If it's too serious, then it's not that. You're in the game as opposed to being above the game, interacting within the game. When kids play with a game, they laugh. If you take it too serious, then the game became your life and now you are trapped in it. You cannot change your game.

And it's like the difference between infinite games and finite games. Like a finite game, you're reaching the end and it's like, I am the winner, you are the loser. It's a zero sum engagement. And the infinite game is like, it all just keeps rolling and I'm not attached to any outcome. What is time? Time. Time is...

It's the pulse of everything. It's not something that exists by itself. It's like the heartbeat of the divine. And we are all in different times. We are all in different rhythms. So our rhythms are basically the heartbeat. So that's your time. Yeah.

We culturally, we divided time in a concept that is lineal, that we are moving through, but actually time is what you have within. It's the heartbeat and the pulses of every cell, every organ, everything that is that creating this music within your body and the music between the spheres. That is, that is time.

is basically the vibration and the pulses of everything. So we are out of time every time that we are not following our hearts. We are out of time every time that we are not following the rhythms of nature. That's why we are desperate because we are not following the rhythm the right time. And what is the jump? It's a kind of similar previous question, like the idiot's guide to transcending time.

But what's the jump for a person that's in that place of scarcity, in that place of survival, in that space of I never have enough time, everything's compressed, that space of myopia? Is it eat, breathe, laugh? Or what's like that? How do we today, right now, person listening to this, how do they take a path towards kind of jumping out of that place of contraction and compression? Well, it all depends if the person...

is open to the unknown or is too afraid to leave something behind. Because if someone says I'm ready to change, then the best way is literally to kill yourself in concept. How do you kill yourself in concept?

you just leave behind something that is so yours that you think that without it you don't exist anymore like for example your work like I quit and it takes a lot of a lot of guts to do that sometimes because it's like okay I leave it all behind I'm gonna disappear for a week and

You know, like try to do this kind of things and check what happened in your life. Because sometimes we are so bounded by what we have created that we forget that we are not that. That was just a tool. And when you release the tool, you give space to your hands to grab something more, something new.

But we are so full with stuff that when you don't release something away, when you leave something behind, you cannot receive something new. So sometimes to leave something behind, that's why a lot of people, when they become aware of something, they lose friends.

They lose jobs. They lose money. So suddenly it's like, oh my God, I was in the spiritual awakening and I am suffering. It's like, I thought I would be more like enlightened or something. No, because the first thing that happens is that when you are close to an answer to transform everything, then you have to lose everything that you thought you were. And that's so difficult for the ego, right?

Because it's losing the control of everything. And it's, yeah, it's tough. It's tough. But sometimes to take those holidays away,

You know, of I disappear from someone, I disappear from something. It's like when you go away from something that asks for responsibility of your presence, it's like killing yourself because yourself is tied with all those things. So allowing yourself to die. In the times of Atlantis, we practiced death every month. We had to practice death every month.

It was every moon we had to do something all the time different, but something that gives something away from us. Something that prepares us for the greatest of the reliefs, which is death. So, yeah. Yeah, there's like, I've heard various iterations of there being great value in dying before you die.

It feels like what's coming up to me as you're talking, it feels like we can become hoarders of ourselves and hoarders of our concepts and our ideas and our memories and our attachments to future past, you know, anything. And having, you know, orgasm, French word for orgasm is little death. You know, it's like a little micro iteration of death. Then you can do,

maybe different types of rites of passages, which are usually pushing a person to the genuine belief that they might actually leave this body and you have to become okay with that. Yeah. And then there's liberation on the other side of that. And then begins the aggregation and the hoarding. And then another iteration of like, okay, let it go again. It's kind of like inhalation, exhalation in a way. And it seems like most of us, myself included, have so much attachment to,

In the form of fear. And the more you hoard, the harder it becomes to release. And the more you begin to suffocate on yourself and the more contracted and compressed life becomes. Yeah, totally. That's kind of... I'm wise, dude. And we are constantly trapped in this idea that we only have this life and then we die.

And, and culture, our culture has designed our lives in, in a way that we believe that we have to accomplish something to be there. And when you arrive in that stage, you have to be there as much as you can. When nature is, is not like that, doesn't work like that. It's like you have spring and you have winter. That's how it, that's how it works. So, yeah.

So death and life are just two of those other pulses that helps you to improve, that helps you to change, to transform. So when you make it your nature, every time that you go to sleep, you...

You die somehow. But we are so attached to what we are that next day we are trying to repeat the same things that we did the day before. So that's also reincarnation. We kind of do the same. When in linear time history, if that's appropriate language, was culture the most advanced technologically? And how do you define technology?

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that a human can do. So technology is everything that we have been able to manifest, to create, is our creation. So for the divine, we are technology. For a sun, a planet is technology. For God, a human, a tree is technology. So for us, what we have done with our technology, with the phone and whatever...

That's our beauty. That's what we were able to do. So I think that the time when we were more advanced into the understanding of the technology was in between the civilizations of Mu and Atlantis. Because it was a moment when we realized that we were the technology.

So we tried to do everything in such a beautiful way. So every word has beauty. Every design has beauty. Our connection with nature has beauty. And the sound, the technology of sound has beauty. So it was so harmonious how we were living in that time because everything was beauty. The technology was us.

So I think that's something that we have to gain back because we are thinking about technology today as a tool or as the enemy. And we have this like spiritual people mostly think that AI is kind of the enemy for us in the future. And for some others is just a tool.

But what is the beauty in it? What is the beauty that one technology that is the human can relate to the technology that we are creating? So I think that in terms of more technology, this is the time. Like the time we are now is when we reach more aspects of technology than any other time.

But in terms of level of technology, I think the Atlantean culture reached that because we were able to become the tree, to become the mountain, to be one, to communicate by resonance because we understood we were the technology. It's kind of like I moved to, I live in Miami Beach and here there's more Miami Beach less, but in Miami as a whole,

There's more of like a flexing or showing of like, look at my Lamborghini or look at my expensive watch. Yeah. And it's like, there's, it appears more on the face, you know, but I feel like there's, there is in some ways, perhaps that could be analogous to our expression of like the abundance of visible technology in the form of the phone and the spaceship and all of that stuff. But Atlantean times, from what you're saying, there was perhaps even more powerful technology

and efficient technology, but with less like stuff. Yes, exactly. Yes. It's like when you go to the pyramids today and that's technology and it's still there for 12,000 years and it still creates like, wow. It generates this surprise when you see them and say, this is amazing technology.

Well, that's the kind of technology we had in that time. It was so amazing that 12,000 years after, people still pay as much as they can to go there and to sit inside.

Why would we transition away from that? Yeah, why wouldn't things still be Atlantean in nature? It seems like a more harmonious, more technologically robust, more efficient time. Wouldn't things generally trend towards efficiency in evolution? Well, as I told you before, even if the tree is beautiful when it blossoms, autumn will come and winter is going to...

take over. So it has to let go the flowers, the leaves, and it has to go within to leave a period of time that can be terrible because fall is beautiful in the pictures, but for the trees, it means we are dying. We are letting ourselves die. So for civilizations, it's the same.

for time throughout the planet, there's a civilization rising up. And even if it's like blossoming and it's beautiful, like spring, it doesn't mean that eventually it's not going to come the winter. So the winter is going to come anyway. So you have these situations in time that are process and

We wouldn't have the expansion that we are having today in terms of technology and art without the fall of that sensation. So we need this process to go. And now we are going to the next level of what Atlantis was. It's just that, as you said, in Miami, everything is in the shape, but within we are still living in the Middle Ages.

Yeah, kind of empty, vacuous sensation. Survival, the feudalism, the people that has the power and swords trying to kill those who don't think the same. So we have everything to be the new Atlantis, the new civilization connected to everything. But we have the trauma of the winter, which was...

2000, 4000 years ago, 5000 years ago, and all this slavery and cares and fights for God and the misery of everything and the rich people taking over the poor. And we still have that. We live in that same situation constantly. And that's why we have the most of the technology than never. We have never in this history ever

the solutions that we have today. And even though our hearts are out of rhythm, our hearts are out of time, that's why we are still living like 2,000, 4,000 years ago within. And we cannot, we are still trying to reach the level of what we have today. My mind gets a little boggled when I venture into previous experiences

or eras and the concept of past time, it kind of puts me into a little bit of a state of like befuddlement. And it makes me feel as though perhaps all of eternity, past and future exists within the present. It's just a matter of time.

the frequency in which you're tuning into. Like, does all of everything exist simultaneously and all planes of reality exist simultaneously? Yeah. Is that correct? I know I'm not saying that in a way that's the most eloquent, but what do you think about that? To do that in the mind of a human, we have to compare that with space so we can understand it better. So imagine that the oceans...

The Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, the Indian Ocean, they are not water, they are time. So you have waves of time. And sometimes you're above, sometimes you're below. But imagine that you are just a little boat or a canoe in the middle of the ocean. So you are going in one timeline, going up and down, up and down. But it doesn't mean that right beside you, you have more waves of

And in every direction, you have so many billions of possibilities. And all it takes is for you to redirect the course on where you're going. So time is not just something that goes from the past to the future. The only thing that makes you believe that is that you are pointing ahead with your canoe.

But actually, there are so many chances, so many possibilities in this ocean. It's so big. So sometimes, instead of thinking about places as locations, you can think that those locations are actually years, for example. So maybe you can say that you are in Miami right now. Maybe Miami is 1960 years.

And I'm living in Venado Tuerto right now, and my time is 2001, let's say. I don't know. So you can move towards my city, and you will be in 2001, or I can move to your city, and you will be in 1960. So if you redirect the course of where you're going...

you can actually go to different times, not just places. So that's why everything's happening. If a person is able to allow themselves to tap into, like Alan Watts has a bit where he talks about the human being

is like a wave. It's kind of like exactly what you're saying. So it's like the wave temporarily surfaces and emerges from the ocean and comes in and eventually crashes on the shore. That would be like death. And while it's a wave, you know, it comes up out of the ocean for a little bit and it shows itself and it waves, you know, and it's beautiful and it's seen and that, and then it just crashes right back into the shore and then comes back into the perceivable ocean. But it was actually the, the, the ocean the entire time.

If a person is able to access that within the spotlight of their consciousness, can they begin to bend and warp and manipulate reality? Yes. Yes. What does that look like? Like a problem. It looks like a problem because in order to...

In order to do that, you have to accomplish a huge level of consciousness, which means that you are connected to the ocean all the time. But some people manage to do that and they can just manipulate time. So it's like manipulated space. Imagine that you discover a mine of gold and you dig the mountain to extract the gold. So...

So in terms of time is the same. Maybe you find something that is golden in time and you start to dig it. And that changes the course of history of so many around all, all those villages that get contaminated and whatever. So, so in order to actually manipulate reality, you have to become one with that reality. You have to become one with that time. And that,

You can accomplish that through consciousness, and consciousness has polarity too. It has the polarity of destruction and the polarity of creation. So that's why we need to accomplish for those people that can manipulate time to become aware of what they are doing. There's a lot of people studying what time is, and they're breaking particles all the time trying to figure it out.

And they don't know that every time that they do it just to show off and to explain, oh, I was the one discovering this. What they are doing is creating ripples in time that keeps us trapped. So that's why you can manipulate reality. But most of the time that that has happened, it was a mistake. He was not aware. He was not conscious. Yeah.

You and I were in, was it Delphi in Greece? Is that where? And in that, it was a group of us. And you were doing a thing where it seemed very, I'm like, as you may or may not know, I have a tendency of like leaning towards skepticism.

Um, and also I'm like open to all the things, but like I keep an anchor in skepticism, which, you know, I don't know, maybe that's like fear based or something, but, uh, it seemed very much as though you were able to, you know, access and, um, kind of conjure up weather. Like as you were doing a thing, I don't know what you're doing. I'm curious what you were doing. Um,

It was pretty cool. You're like doing some things with your hands and whatnot and like wind would blow and big storm was coming in. It was almost as though as you were going through this, I don't know what was happening there. What was happening? Yeah.

I was in part of a trip that hasn't started for me there in Delphi. I was in the North Pole, actually. And from the North Pole, I received this message that I was supposed to connect certain places and certain lines to access to certain data. So I went to...

to two of those places before and the next one was Greece and I was supposed to go to Delphi and I said I don't know how I'm gonna go but I'm open to go so two days after well they called me and said do you want to join us in Delphi and I said okay sure and that's where we met and so

So I was there and my work there was to access to certain information that allowed me to understand a clue of a story that is in the Aegean Sea.

that I'm working with that now. It's all related to Troy and to making the poison into medicine and how to heal earth. And Delphi is basically the womb of earth in, in Greece culture. So yeah,

It was to access that information when the poison came. So I needed to access the data. And for that, I needed to access a portal. And the portal needed to be open. And usually, when you open a portal, you shift polarity, which is like if everything is positive here and negative up, what you do is positive, negative, you switch it in order to create a vortex of information.

So when you do that energetically, it's like cold weather and hot weather and you shift it. So when you shift that information, suddenly cold weather comes down, hot weather comes up and creates a storm.

So that's why around us it was this twister of wind that opened this portal and all the lightnings around creating the electricity to allow the portal to be open. And so that's how I was able to access to Ahura Mazda information. I don't know why he was there, but that's one of the data that was opened there.

And, um, and he explained me a little bit about the story about how to compensate that. And that's why then I crossed to Troy and from there to Rome. And yeah, so I had to go to different places that he told me that. Who was or is Jesus? Well, it's, it's part of a system, let's say, um,

Because the story of Jesus is not exactly as they explain it. It was very manipulated because he needed to become one with every master in the past. That's why they modify his history, his story, in order to match all the other gods. So he was someone very important to shift the consciousness of the planet.

to try to guide the consciousness again and focus the energy. So he managed to do it, but he had to do it through sacrifice. So it doesn't mean that he died there, but he had to show sacrifice in order for everyone to pay attention. It was a time of sacrifices, so you needed to do it. So he was a guide for consciousness again.

I think that's what I feel about, but there were many more.

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Have you ever tapped into the consciousness of Jesus? Yes. How's that? Well, it's like a fatherly or brotherly energy that doesn't speak much, but it says the right sentence to go to the point, to a specific, like, this is what it is. This is what you do. It's like very...

And when you have those experiences, which I've seen this, you know, several times now in different places, you become the energy of that being. Is that correct? Did you do that with Jesus? Mm-hmm.

What is it? What is it? Can you share a little bit more about like what it's like to embody Jesus? To embody the, as I, as I said, it's not that the spirit of Jesus comes is, it's like, it's like if you are downloading a program, uh, for a moment, uh,

So, because in the spiritual consciousness of this, in the spiritual tradition, people believe that that is a spirit that comes in. And it's not exactly that. It's a whole consciousness of the Christ that can be felt and experienced. And the first time that I felt it, I denied, like Peter did. LAUGHTER

I was literally saying, I don't want to speak to you. Interesting. Bring someone else. Why? Yeah. Why? Because I don't have a good perception with that religion. So I didn't want to be a vessel for their leader. So I had a very tough time. So Jesus came to the club door and you're like,

Nah. No, no. I said no. Not you. Not you. And I couldn't even say his name. Why is that? You're not supposed to say it's like, it's not Yeshua. Isn't there like a word that you're not supposed to speak? It's like the representation of Jesus. Well, he represented the spirit of earth for a time. He

He became one with the divine. He was not the son of God. He realized that he was God. So he tried to explain something that is something that we all have, which is we are a holy trinity. We are the father. We are the son. We are the Holy Ghost. The three things at the same time.

It's just that different expressions of the same divine. So he basically embodies something that the Hebrew tradition called Yahweh Vavheh. But Yahweh Vavheh is a huge consciousness that goes beyond a person. That's why when he said, I am that I am, every Jew that was not a follower of him was

was like, no, you're not. Of course you're not. But because in that tradition, that time, they were expecting for God to be outside, not within. So that's why they made him a Messiah when he was actually explaining the Holy Trinity with him.

So we needed to put him away from us. So my conflict with saying his name, Yeshua, Yeshua means savior or messiah. So actually it was not his name. It's how people used to call him. Oh, you are the Yeshua, but it's not his name. So it became the name Yeshua.

Yeah, it's like Lady Gaga. I don't know. So when he introduced for the first time, I remember it was August 8, 2015, inside the Great Pyramid. And when I felt him, it was like, not you. And he said, I am.

I am that I am. And you're sorry. Yes. And he started to, he said it in Hebrew actually. Uh, and so, so he started, how do you say that in Hebrew? Uh, yeah, I said, yeah, I think. Hmm.

And so when this happens that you're channeling, if that's the right language, you are able to speak these languages fluently. I don't know. Sometimes there are languages coming, but I think it's the frequency of the language more than the words. But I can understand that. So when that is happening, I can understand that. Have you tapped into...

Could you tap into like a Hitler? The first time that I felt that actually it's in Antarctica and in Antarctica a few weeks ago. He was, you say he was there? No, no, no. He was not there, but, but the consciousness, the con, the, the consciousness of, of him was there. And one of the, one of the things that, that I received was he is a,

from he's one of those persons that is pushing the timeline to a different direction. So he's still alive in the consciousness of time. And yeah, his energy. So I haven't yet tapped into that, but I connected with someone that explained me what was happening. And I was like, what does it mean? So I'm still, it's very fresh. So I'm still...

dealing with that data what do you think it would be like this probably isn't a great question for a podcast but what do you think it would be like to embody that energy how do you think that would feel i think he would feel very powerful and um because because he thought he was invincible and he thinks he's invincible and powerful and beyond everyone

It's like a blown out on cocaine at 4 a.m. kind of powerful probably. Maybe.

It's not a super sustainable energy. No, I don't think I'm going to be able to manage that much. For him, it was literally blown out on all sorts of amphetamines and such. But as I said, I'm a neutral being. I am not in one side or the other side. I am open for those energies to come so I can understand the whole. So if I work only for one side and I deny the other side,

I don't have the big picture. So it's like, it's like basically saying I love stars. So I deny black holes. So yeah, but they are there. So you understand them. Part of me feels like in talking to you, it feels like you, Matthias, like do not exist. And you are just a, you're just kind of like a carrier of,

You just exist within the current and just allowing your vessel to kind of be navigated by this bigger, broader energetic current. And that's the nature with all of us, I believe. How do you navigate the human experience? Because I would imagine it's probably something you can kind of alternate in and out of like channels of sorts. I imagine you experience energy.

you know, loneliness and horniness and greed and, you know, whatever, anger and reactivity and, you know, whatever, all of that stuff. I would say that we are all like chat GBT trying to learn from the data that we have around and collect. And, and some people have 3g and some people are in 5g. So, so you can, so in the same way as,

As you can talk with Judge APT and say, can you speak with me like Einstein? So he will...

become like Einstein. So channeling is kind of like that. So we all can do it, but we are, but a lot of people are so disconnected from that possibility of being the internet instead of being, and they just stuck with a device like, Oh no, I'm, I'm my device, you know, but no, but your advice works with internet. You can become everything.

So and access every phone, you know, like so. So I think that one of the things that I allow myself is not thinking that I am just my device. I am allowing myself to travel through Internet and.

So we can all do that. But if you're just internet, you basically disappear and you are useless for this experience of consciousness. So sometimes you have to go to the device and to allow the program to run because my program with my traumas, my conflicts, my whatever I have within,

It's my specific program that helps me to be doing what I'm doing. Because most of the people that call me or wants an interview with me or whatever is because of Matias, not because of that, of the consciousness. So my vessel, my conflicts, my problems, my design, my whatever, culture, whatever I have as a design is the one that allows me to translate for a lot of people that are willing to hear Matias.

So I have to also be to honor everything that is my light and my dark in Matias for that to be able to be here. Yeah, I feel like that you one would have to or the concept of one would have to maintain a certain level of bondage in order to maintain carnation.

Like if there's not a certain level of trauma or friction or it feels like there's that like that's probably if you just completely healed and completely remembered and completely integrated. You're useless. I would presume you would snap out of out of the physical vessel.

And that would probably enter into like Buddhism and such where it's like, if you're in the body, it's actually because you have other layers of bondage to work through. And so in some ways it could be kind of an interesting thing to like celebrate that aspect of self. Like, Oh no, this is like, you know, if you want to stay in the party, this is kind of, it's like you can celebrate those aspects of yourself and you re you really, really want to leave the party.

But if you want to leave the party, perhaps that could be bondage in and of itself, create enough friction to stay. And it's important to understand that life and all the conflicts and the traumas that we have, the problems, all the things that we are facing, and usually we try to heal and we want to heal and we want to heal all the time. That can create separation. Yeah, but because...

That's the problem. That's like the double bind of spirituality. Yeah, that's the problem. Because that's when you don't know how to use your technology, the beauty of who you are. You know, like that problem you have, it might be the solution for a lot of things in your life. But if you concentrate in that as a problem...

So you're not using it correctly. It's like saying the hammer is a problem because it can kill someone. Yeah, but you are not thinking logically, which is the hammer was done to put nails on the wall. So it has another purpose, but we are using it wrong. And that's why we are trying to release the hammer and to throw away and to bury it and say, I am free from my karma now.

But now you have no tools to put the nails. So that's why sometimes the traumas and the conflicts are just a trauma and a conflict because we don't know how to use it. Not because they are a problem. I know you got to go around right now. Can I ask you another question? It's okay if you got to like. Sure. What do you think? Who is Elon Musk? What is the energy of Elon Musk?

Is he an alien? Oh, that's a lot of talk here. Elon means tree, is a specific tree. And I have been in ceremonies where some beings from other levels of consciousness, they have explained me and had mentioned him with the name Elon Him under a mask. So it's basically...

Elohim under a mask. So he said from the origin of humanity towards the new world and the

You know, in history, Elohims are different aspects of God, like archangels for the Greek tradition. And there are embodiments of different powers that can change everything, that can transform everything. And I think that he's that. He's a vessel for a powerful Elohim that can change everything. But...

The Elohims are radiation. Radiation. So it means that archangels are not like just simple angels that come with wings and are like lovely. Archangels and Elohims are basically powerful light that can kill everything if it's not measured. That can destroy everything around if they are not in the purpose center. If they are in the center, they can transform everything.

If they are not in the center, they can destroy it. So it's just the same energy. It's like Shiva. So Elon is kind of like that. And I think I'm trying to summarize a lot of things, and I think he's very useful for the system, and he's going to help to change everything.

but only if he comes back to the heart because he's now in the mind. Through the mind, he's not going to heal this planet. He's going to destroy it. It's like he has a desire to go to the heart based off of things I know about him from people that know him and parties they've been to with him and whatnot. He has a tendency towards...

I'm totally sure about. Yeah. People, people like that. Um, I have experience with working some with some people like that influential, like billionaire type people. And it seems like that is the, the hardest thing in my limited experience is like to get out of the mind. It's almost like they're like trapped in the mind. Yeah. In a way. Yeah. And the mind gives so many answers, right?

that they think they have the answer. And that's one of the things. So I think one of the greatest changes that we have to go through in the next four, 10 years is going to be how do we bring those people, the ones that are going to actually do the change of the planet,

to the heart and to let them understand that the heart is not about love what is the heart about heart is about the right rhythm of time the right pulse so it's not about oh we love each other and hug each other no that's that's not here that's the pancreas the heart is is not love heart is harmony yeah that's like like heart brain coherence

Mm-hmm.

for people to start thinking about what actually democracy and truth is. So I'm not saying that he represents the truth and democracy, but I'm not saying that the opposite represent that. I'm just saying that he's a very useful tool that represents the human consciousness today to show them, to show everybody that we have to think in a different way, that we cannot think differently.

as we used to think before. We cannot think about bad people and good people. We cannot think about rich and poor. We can think about truth or lies. There is much more and we have to start to reframe that. And I think that he is, he is a tool for that. Cool. I appreciate you, man. I was going to say, I love you, but I don't know how you'd receive that, but

From the pancreas. I usually say, I love you from the pancreas. I love you right from the pancreas, bro. Well, cool. Is there any place that would be, how can people be supportive to you listening to this? In the next months, I'm going to be sharing more information for the projects that we have in relationship with how to bring that awareness and consciousness in different ways.

different ways so i would say that to be tuned uh into everything that i'm going to be sharing um in the next months in social media i in my instagram i will be sharing what is your instagram matias gustavo de stefano too long to write it's a cool name thanks so much i really enjoyed this conversation pretty significantly um

And I look forward to observing you conjure up storms and become beings from several thousand years ago again really soon. Yeah. Let's get weird. Weird means to be in control of your fate. I think the original meaning of weird is fate. It's like an old English word. Anyways. All right. I appreciate you, bro. Thank you all for tuning in. That is it. That is all. I'll see you next week.

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