Bengals contract drama is BACK as Shamar Stewart SOUNDS OFF | Can COMPROMISE Be Reached?
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Today we dive into the latest contract drama as Shamar Stewart sounded off at his locker after not participating in day one of Cincinnati Bengals' mandatory minicamp. Trey Hendrickson entirely absent and Joe Burrow meeting with the media after practice and going into the distractions around the team and the effect thereon.

And continuity's impact in terms of his weapons. We'll get to some of Joe Burrow's comments later because I thought he had a lot to say in a random post-practice presser in the middle of mandatory minicamp in early June. But got to start with Jamar Stewart, James.

I did not expect to hear the kinds of things come out of Samar Stewart's mouth that came out of Samar Stewart's mouth today, really putting the organization on the spot as he continues to not practice over the team, attempting to establish a new precedent with their 2025 first round pick. Yeah, he sounded off, gloves off, and didn't shy away from the tough questions. I was surprised. I'll be honest. I was surprised. I thought maybe we would...

hear from him at some point, but not really. And clearly he, and I don't know if it was planned, but he didn't shy away from voicing his opinion. And it went from Kelsey Conway at his locker after Joe Burrow talked for roughly 20 minutes, shout out to Joe Burrow for doing so. And it went from Kelsey Conway to a bunch of TV reporters. And then I was like, oh man. And I saw Mike Pachalia in there. And so I jump in as well.

And he spent over 10 minutes total with reporters. And boy, oh boy, he's honest. And I love it. And I love that. And I think that we're going to have a lot of interesting thoughts on what he had to say. I tweeted out the full video if you're looking for that. But we do have a clip for you about the two. I think these are the two most important, maybe not most important comments, but the two

Headline comments that you certainly need to. Rookie Minkah will be over at the end of the week. I feel like I assume it should be done between now and then. I hope they get back on the field tomorrow. That's what I'm planning to do. But as in how far I'll take it, I mean, it just depends.

In my case, I'm 100% right. I'm not asking for anything I've never done before. But in y'all's case, y'all just want to win arguments instead of winning more games, in my opinion. I know business is business and football is football, but have the veterans said anything? Has there been any reaction at all with your situation?

It made it very easy when the people in your locker room say you're doing the right things, especially the star players. It is put as that. So stars in here. I'm not asking names, but stars have said, do what you're doing. Yeah. Boy, a couple of things there. One, how many times have we heard the complaint or even talked about, talked about it ourselves? The Bengals are more concerned about winning negotiations than they are about winning football games. Hmm.

have you heard a player expected to be part of the team say that before i mean go listen to the full interview that james posted you find him on find it on twitter at james rapine find it cincinnati bangles talk on youtube the the full video gives you a full scope of his disappointment disillusionment with where things are right now and he was quick to say i'm not sour on the team this is the the start of things there could be a long future here but in the current cba era

where Shamar Stewart is going to sign a contract with the Cincinnati Bengals. He's going to play for this team for at least four years. He is currently not practicing because you're trying to do something new as far as defaulting of guarantees, the canceling of guarantees if Shamar Stewart does something untoward that would put his NFL career in jeopardy, essentially. And I understand trying to establish that precedent.

as the Cincinnati Bengals, especially if that's common practice around the NFL. But Shemar Stewart is asking for essentially the same language that Amartya Svends got, the same language that Miles Murphy got. And that's why he said he's not asking for anything that the Bengals have never done before. And that sure does sound reasonable, right?

And in his mind, sounds really easy. In our mind, I think it sounds really easy. In your mind listening, it probably sounds really easy. Just fix the language and get him on the field because he acknowledged how important it is to be on the field. We've talked about that a ton. And it's just very frustrating to continue to hear the same kinds of complaints that we've been talking about with this front office this offseason, previous offseasons, the difficulty of

for players just get things done that seem like they should be easy that takes away from the football part of things and if you're asking let's just say it but if you're asking him to do something that hasn't been done well then maybe the the compromise would be giving him more money up front because basically what it would what it is is his guarantees that are guaranteed

They can get out of them if he messes up or screws up or gets suspended for a game or, you know, anything happens. It's a way to jump out. And if other teams are doing that and have done that, I believe some have. Not all, but some. I wonder if they've sweetened the pot a little bit to do so. And so that's it. I...

Don't think they need to go that route. I also think that because they've, they tried to do this and because things have gotten so contentious, something that I've pointed out on the podcast multiple times, we talked about it before the pod, this injury waiver, that's out the door now. So Mark Stewart doesn't care about the injury waiver. He wants his deal done. And the injury waiver is kind of like a, a safeguard. Well, now that they know the, the contract status is what it is, where there's this big thing, the Bengals want him to do. It's,

It's contentious enough where he's like, no way, no way. I'm not, I'm not giving up any kind of leverage and his camp is, is viewing it that way. And that's, what's, that's, what's really tough now is you have Shamar Stewart, a rookie who needs the reps, 100% needs the reps. And at one point this off season, I know was open to an injury waiver.

And now because talks have gone this way, not open to the injury waiver anymore, wants to get the deal done, wants to play. I asked him, hey, do you want to practice on Wednesday? And a lot of you are probably listening and watching on Wednesday. And he said, I would love to be out there. He said, we got about 20 hours. And he looked at his watch. I don't know if he actually had a watch on it. He might have. But we got about 20 hours until practice. I would love to be out there. It's just, it's one of those things. I go back to when we talked about this a few weeks ago when Andrew Brandt said this could go into training camp. And I'm like, oh, yeah.

I do not want to be watching Sharmar Stewart not in uniform during camp because that will be a huge storyline. Yeah. And we are at least one day closer in a lot of words closer to that being the case, which is really unfortunate. And we're already going to have to deal with the Stray Hendrickson thing unless that somehow gets resolved before training camp, which feels increasingly unlikely and is a distraction that Joe Burrow acknowledged when he talked to the media. And we'll get to that topic in just a second. Here is the one thing that could help.

A whole bunch of first round picks have signed their contracts, including pick number 16, Walter Nolan, and pick number 18, Gray Zabel, I think. Gray Zabel, 18. Typically, that means that if there is language in either of those deals that pertains to the contentious language that Shamar Stewart and the Bengals are disagreeing over right now,

That should force the Bengals hand, could force the Bengals hand, if that language exists in the 16th and 18th picks contracts. If it was in the 18th pick contract, it would have already kind of pushed the Bengals in a direction. But as we're going to see with the second round picks, what happens with the picks upstream and downstream for you impacts the contract that you sign with your pick.

And so it's possible that 16 and 18 being done gives the Bengals the framework they need to get things done with Shamar Stewart. But that's not all the drama. We'll wrap up on Shamar Stewart and Trey Hendrickson still not present. Joe Burrow spoke to that distraction as we continue the discussion coming up next.

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So to wrap up on Tamar Stewart, he says he's not going to practice until the deal is done. It is fully within the Bengals' power to get the deal done. It seems like it should be easy. I remain unconvinced that it will be easy. And so while Trey Hendrickson isn't practicing, he's not even present, the Bengals' first-round pick who's intended to bolster the pass rush isn't practicing. And Joe Burrow talked to the media.

do you have anything else on tomorrow sir before we talk real quick yeah it's going to tie to trey it's so interesting one thing sharmar said is he was like i think trey hendrickson's 99 right but he's under contract so you you could one percent of you could make that argument if i was the gm i would give him all the money and then he he went on to say but i'm 100 right yeah which i thought was like man like can you imagine

And this ties to Trey, but what is said behind the scenes, if that's being said out in the open and fine. I mean, the other thing that, that, that really stood out and obviously we played the clip, but the fact that stars and I wonder who, but I don't think he used that term lightly that stars maybe Trey, probably not Trey, but you never know. Maybe it was Trey when they talked, uh, weighed in on, on Shamar doing what he's doing. I just think it's,

It's a heck of a look for a team that definitely needs more pass rush help. The other last note on Shamar, he was asked about Zach Taylor and I might get the exact verbiage wrong, but it was like, we've talked here and there. Yeah. So I think that that's, it doesn't feel great. Put it that way. I don't know how much communication that would normally be between Zach Taylor and Shamar Stewart. So I wonder how different it is with him having signed or not signed his deal at this point.

But it is an interesting quote. I mean, the quotables that came out of this Shemar Stewart discussion with the media are going to live on and are going to be taken in context, out of context, going to make the team look bad. There are going to be people that think it's going to make Shemar Stewart look bad. Think, oh, this is a rookie. Why is he sounding off? He hasn't even played a snap.

Who is he to make all this noise? Well, he was the 17th overall pick. He was a player that the Bengals identified at that spot and thought would be the best player to improve their team in the short and long term. So there's that. I mean, he was the most premium pick the Bengals used this year. Clearly has big expectations. So I don't know. Hard for me to really take the team side on this one. Again, like I understand the precedent they're trying to set here.

But it's really hard when you are trying to break precedent for contracts, period. And when it becomes detrimental to the football team, it becomes much, much, much less sympathetic if you were to start with any sympathy for the team's perspective in this in the first place. No doubt. No doubt. And I think it makes it worse when you've seen the pattern and you've seen the pattern front and center. Yeah.

and it bleeds into, yeah, I mean, it bleeds into, and by the way, it doesn't mean they're always wrong about things, like, but it doesn't matter because if it's always pulling teeth, well, no one likes their teeth being pulled. And so eventually it would be nice if things were smooth. It'd be nice if you didn't have to numb up before you walk into pay core and you try to get a deal done. And so for Trey Hendrickson, he's, he's,

saying, all right, I don't need that $105,000 in fine money. And Joe Burrow acknowledging that it's a distraction. And I like that Joe was that direct about it because he was like, oh yeah, it's great that we have Jamar and T and they're not distracted by their contract status. And then I followed up and I'm sure Joe was aware that it was coming. Oh, well, is trade a distraction? Of course it is. Of course it's a distraction.

And I hate it. I hate it, to be honest with you, because I think even if it was just Shamar and not Trey or just Trey and not Shamar, it wouldn't feel nearly as bad. And yet it's both. And both guys probably should be starting for you week one. And I looked at a defensive line today that left to right was, well, left to right, let's not even do it, but it was Miles Murphy. It was TJ Slayton.

It was Joseph Osai and it was Cam Sample. And that's tough when Cedric Johnson's the fifth guy. And we're not talking about all these other guys that should matter, could matter. Oh, no, it wasn't Cam Sample. It was Chris Jenkins. So there you go. That's it. Regardless, you need these guys on the field. And obviously it's a distraction. Joe admitted it.

You never want distractions. We're just coming off of an offseason marred by distractions. Last offseason was a big distraction, and it affected the offense, and the offense is the engine of the team. So at least the silver lining, as Joe Burrow points out, T and Jamar are locked in. They're locked up. They're locked in. There's no focus issues on the offensive side of the ball. There's no distractions on the offensive side of the ball.

The offense is going to drive this team. You do need the defense to return to average. We just spent a whole episode talking about why we thought the Bengals ranked at 18th in PFF's overall roster rankings might be too low, where I spent a lot of time arguing that that was essentially predicting the same low-end range of outcomes for the defense as they got last year, where they're expecting essentially the same issues that existed last year to repeat. And I understand why you would expect that, but I thought last year was a low-end situation

for a lot of young guys on defense. And so you do need the defense to regress to the average a little bit, go back toward the middle of the road range of outcomes instead of the low-end outcome, like the worst-case scenario. But this is a team that's going to be driven by the offense. And so if you're looking for the reason why

to feel good about things at this point in the offseason, it's where Joe Burrow's at. It's where he's at with his skill players. It's that the offense is having as normal an offseason, as normal a minicamp as you could hope. Now, of course, we would still like them to go sign one of those veteran guards you've been talking about for months. But that aside, all the guys are there. All the guys are signed. All the guys are doing all the work. And so...

From that perspective, they're getting that important work done at this point in the offseason where we haven't really had that in the Joe Burrow era to this degree, where there's continuity, which I think we're going to talk about in just a second. And there's no distractions on that side of the ball and in those meetings and from that sense of getting the team ready for the season. And that's why you go back. It's like you're right there.

Like give Shamar Stewart the, the Amarius mims contract and that's done and you don't have to worry about it. And there's no drama and he's on the field or just get him to sign the, the injury waiver before trying to break precedent and make him do something that anyways. So there's one to the tray thing. Trey is when he showed up last month, that to me is him saying, Hey man, talk to me, let's work this out.

And it takes two. And if one's not willing to do anything, not willing to bend, not willing to not even bend, not willing to talk, makes it tough. And I think Joe's aware of that because Joe could have taken my question and made it, he has to be signed by this date. And he's still back tray. It's not like he hasn't, but he could have really thrown the weight behind it. And I think he knows that

This is a bit complicated, and there's leverage, and there are all the things that go into it. Obviously, he wants Trey on the team. I think he wants Trey to get paid. I don't think that changed, but this one could go into camp, and it's going to suck if it does. And if it does go into camp, I'm not sure we see Trey. I don't think this is going to be a hold-in scenario. I think much like with Shamar, it got kind of uncomfortable there when he's kind of peeling back the curtain. I think Trey's going to have to

to make the Bengals feel his absence. And so I would be surprised if he showed up. That is the one lever that he can pull. We'll wrap up on Trey Hendrickson and then get to that topic of continuity. Joe Burrow said a lot of very interesting things, in my opinion, in his presser today. We'll get to one of those topics and we'll have to circle back to some of the rest another time to finish the show coming up next.

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my last notes on trey hendrickson before we shift back to some of the other joe burrow comments are yeah this could go into training camp this could go into the season this could remain ugly but trey has very few options because if he doesn't show up at all this year his contract doesn't expire he's not a free agent and so where he does not have the leverage besides retiring

Really, he is under contract, as Shamar Stewart pointed out. The only options he really has are to eat vines and make things uncomfortable and hope that that pressure is felt in a way that spurs the Bengals front office to action. And unfortunately for Trey, that is an uphill battle. That's a Sisyphean tasks in some ways with the Bengals history of the

really not caring all that much like they don't like it but it doesn't historically affect them in the way the players hope it does so we'll see how that plays out I do not envy the position that Trey Hendrickson is in I have some sympathy there I also have heard many many people remind us time and time again that he agreed to this extension that gave him this one year and so I

There's that complication, the age complication, all of the edge market exploding complication, all these complications and a very difficult position for Trey Hendrickson from a leverage perspective with a team that really historically does not care. And I think that's why Joe is kind of measured. He knows Trey may have to go to the extreme. And if he's going to pop off, there's a time for that.

but i don't think it's in june right like joe may be super mad at the front office for how they're handling this very well could but when you want to you want to pull that lever when you need to pull the lever right he was clear and not aggressive but pretty clear like not having trey makes us worse and he also talked a lot about aging we're not going to get to this aging conversation today but he talked a lot about aging and how quickly time passes and and this topic as well

And, you know, you combine that with the idea that you're not making the team as good as it could be this year. And there's something there. It's pretty cohesive. Well, one of the things that we'll get to with the aging is like how the hits compound, how the hits throughout his career, the hits in free agency and negotiating those compound to.

And that's why Joe was so outspoken about T and so upfront and pushed it the way he did. And by the way, Trey was in that as well. And so there's no reason for us to believe that Joe feels any differently in January than he does now. And so if they want to drag this out, make it even uglier and impact what could be Joe's best chance in a lot of ways to make another run at it,

I'm sure it's going to really make him frustrated, and he's not going to forget that. And I think that's what it comes back to. And that's the card that will be interesting. Does he play it at the beginning of training camp? If nothing's done, that will be a huge topic when Joe Bro talks at some point at the start of training camp if Trey isn't done.

I think we're going to talk more about Trey. I have some numbers in my head that I would offer Trey that the Bengals would offer Trey. I waved at Katie today and I was like, man, I wonder if I should give her the numbers. And I did not. I'm kidding. But I did. I did see her today. So who knows? Maybe TJ Hushman's auto who's at practice was was saying, hey, give him the deal. Get it done.

uh or maybe he was like man i never should have left cincinnati it was stupid that i did and i should have just taken the deal you guys offered you never know you never know because i think he does does regret going to seattle he's a great he had a great shirt on really uh great shirt that tj hoschinsada was wearing at that practice so that's my thought on tj love tj nice to see him around see him in cincinnati

The Trey Hendrickson topic will remain frustrating. And there are going to be listeners out there who, if you're still listening at this point, you're frustrated. I hear you. We don't want to be talking about this stuff either. We don't want to be dealing with this stuff either. It's annoying as our perspective, my perspective at least, as well. And the question that I asked earlier this offseason for the everydayers that remember me saying it, if not now, when, that question has been answered, I think, this offseason.

This is an opportunity. This should be seen by this front office as a chance to really do things with your core on offense. And it's just disappointing to see them not doing everything they could be doing to make this feel like, yeah, they're trying. They're trying their best. They've pushed their chips to the table. And instead, they're sitting on like $30 million in cash. In reality, it's like $10 million less than that because of all the in-season expenses.

it's it's a ton of cap space they can do literally 20 million in cap space like i know you know but like oh my god anything they want like anything they want literally anything you're thinking about plus the other free agent you're thinking about plus trey and that doesn't that's including by the way the 10 million you're including includes shamar's deal it's not like their shamar's deal is getting impacted includes the rookie so um yeah anything they want they can sign up

Sign us. The one last positive that we can finish the show on here for anybody who's stuck around for one final positive here is Joe Burrow talked about the positive of continuity. So where we've been talking about all these guys that Joe Burrow wanted the Bengals to bring back, they got the guys done on offense, T. Higgins, Mike Kisecki, the two weapons, and they got Jamar Chase's deal done, obviously. But the two guys that were potential free agents, potential departures,

Joe Burrow talked about the continuity of having not just those guys back, but also another year with Andre Yosavash, another year with Jermaine Burton, another year with Charlie Jones. And it stood out to me that Joe Burrow mentioned those guys as well and praised the wide receiver depth as well. But talking about the steps those guys are taking and not having to take anybody under his wing

No newcomers who's like, this is how I want you to run this route. This is how I want you to execute this concept. This is what I want you to be thinking about when a play breaks down and we're in a scramble drill. And maybe they're still talking about some of those things, but not having to do it from scratch with any new players. I do find that to be

a somewhat compelling piece of, of argumentation from Joe Burrow that suggests that there's no reason to expect offensive regression here. If anything, we can expect at least from a skill and from a skill player perspective, obviously not talking about the offensive line here at all, but from a skill player perspective, you can expect those guys to continue to perform at the level they did last year, if not better with more experience in the system with that continuity where we talked about continuity on the offensive line before and stuff like that. But again,

I did find it to be fairly compelling from Joe Burrow to point out that they can spend that effort and that time they would spend in the past catching somebody up on other things that should, in theory, improve the efficiency and the alignment, to use that word again, of the Bengal skill players with their quarterback. And he was asked about some of the guys in his report, and he praised three guys specifically, Andre Yosefash, Jermaine Burton, Charlie Jones. And it's interesting because in practice...

He hit Charlie over the middle in a, in seven on seven and like an awesome play by Charlie. Awesome play by, by Joe and really good throw. Another one where he found Mike Gusecki over the outstretched arms of Logan Wilson. Like you're seeing that continuity last year at this time, he was trying to get Mike Gusecki caught up and get him comfortable. Charlie Jones is a young player. That's trying to find his way on offense and hasn't contributed. Andre got the praise from T last week.

well clearly joe feels the same way and then obviously jermaine burton and just everything that that goes with him and everything that's been the jermaine burton experience if he does figure it out no one doubts that he can help this team and so it was nice to see joe say those things and by the way he mentioned like charlie and jermaine

Other guys are mentioning that too, or you're seeing them make plays on the field. So you just hope health off the field, all of those things come together as one. And these guys can be what the Bengals hope they can be because they don't need to be wide receiver one or two. They need to be depth pieces that know where the hell they're going. Because if they do that and they do their job, they're going to matter. They're going to play at times this year and Joe's going to have to rely on them. And having that depth,

that you're confident in makes a big difference. If you're talking about targets, you know, seven through nine or six through nine, six through seven, whatever the back of the, the back of the receiving target list. Yeah. Then if you have guys that you feel good about from a trust perspective that have the ability, then you maybe aren't as concerned about the wide receiver depth. And that's the trajectory right now.

In early June. Breaking news. Jake Lisko says Jermaine Burton is target nine on Bengals offense. Aggregate it. Aggregate it. Write the articles. I mean, I'm not going to go through it right now, but I don't think that's that far off. Chase, like, it could be a couple of running backs ahead in terms of targets, three receivers, a tight end. So you're already at seven or eight. I can't. So you're being practical. I was just trying to get people, get the people going. Yeah. I mean, you got to.

Got to go through the list. There's a lot more from Joe Burrow that we didn't get to today. We probably won't get to it in our next show either. That'll be coming out after minicamp concludes on Thursday evening, Thursday afternoon. We'll hear from a bunch of coaches between now and then. We'll have a couple more days of practice between now and then. Of course, if anything breaks, we will have you covered. If Shamar Stewart signs his deal, for example, that is something that will bring James and I very likely back together to discuss

the implications thereof. And we'll hopefully have time to circle back to Joe Burrow's comments a little bit later on, perhaps Sunday evening in the next episode of Locked on Bengals after Thursday's episode. So two episodes from now. But that's going to do it for this episode of the Locked on Bengals podcast. Until next time, thanks for listening. Hootay and have a good one.

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