Shemar Stewart DRAMA Escalates to New Heights | Can Bengals and Stewart Find Common Ground?
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Samar Stewart has taken his dispute over language in his rookie deal to the next level, leaving before the final day of Bengals minicamp. Let's break it down. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day.

What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Locked On Bengals podcast on the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Jake Lisco. He's James Rapinoe. We've been covering the Cincinnati Bengals here on Locked On Bengals for, well, nearly...

a decade. I can't count that high, but I'm pretty sure we're close to 10 years. Maybe we are at 10 years. You're in the right place if you're looking for daily coverage of your team, the Cincinnati Bengals, who currently are embroiled in more contract drama. Today, we will dive back into what exactly is going on with Shamar Stewart as he leaves practice, leaves a facility before the final day of minicamp. Didn't miss a whole lot if he wasn't going to practice anyway.

But the absence was certainly noted, picked up a lot of national steam. We'll talk about some of the narratives out there that are quite frankly ridiculous. We'll talk about what exactly is being negotiated between these two sides and why Shemar Stewart is not happy about it, why both sides can be seen as reasonable and why both sides can be seen as bad.

maybe not so reasonable. Those are all the things we're going to talk about with Shamar Stewart. We're also going to cover some of the last two days of minicamp where we haven't had a chance to talk about what's been happening on the field. We'll finish the show there, but James, you're down there for the final day of minicamp today on Thursday and Shamar Stewart isn't there. And what was that like? Just the initial reaction you learned about this as practice was going on. Stole the show, stole the show. It was the...

The clear cut number one topic throughout practice in day three of minicamp is lighter. They had it in the stadium. It's a shorter practice. It's earlier in the morning and it's really quick. It's in and out. And boy, oh boy, was it in and out? Because I was like, man, I don't necessarily need to be here anymore, which is ironic since from our Stewart felt the same way. I mean, the moment you find that out, it's like, well, that's the story. Zach Taylor's talking after practice. Shamar Stewart isn't there anymore.

It's just during this process and it's been public and it's been oddly public. I'll say that like odd how much this has been covered. And again, it's because he hasn't been practicing. And so it becomes a topic and then questions get asked and all of those things. But throughout it, you're like, well, he's there. He's in meetings. He's been the good soldier, all those things. Like he's engaged until today. And it's like, oh, well, he left after Wednesday's practice.

And what I thought was interesting is he left after practice Wednesday and it gets over mid afternoon. And then Jordan Schultz tweeted a picture of him. And he's been working out at black sheep performance for a few weeks. Now, the same place Joe Burrow works out at a bunch of other Bengals players work out at, but an NFL insiders tweeting a video of him on the bike. And it's like, Oh, okay. So that's why that was tweeted. He's like, Hey, see, I'm still working, but I'm not showing back up at minicamp. Like I'm sure. And so, um,

Didn't show up. Do I think he missed anything today? No, not at all. Everyone watching and listening could have made it through minicamp day three practice, I would say confidently, but especially tasked with what Shabar was going to be tasked with, which is standing there. But

This is a distraction and it's a big distraction and it's going to, now it's going to be a big topic until he signs until he's on the field until we see 97 with a helmet on or in practice uniform and working out until that happens. This is going to be something we discuss. It probably won't just be today, fortunately or unfortunately, however you want to look at it. And for us, I would say, unfortunately, because I would much rather be talking about how he fits in.

on this football team. And we just haven't seen that yet. And I don't think anyone's thinking about that right now because it feels like he's, it's one simple thing as we'll get into, but it feels like we're a long ways away from him getting on the field. And as everyone, including him that you would ask would admit, it would be far more ideal for him to have gotten working over the Bengals off season program. We didn't really emphasize this significantly in,

during the one-day rookie minicamp that was very light work and acclimatization, acclimation, whatever the term is, kind of session, getting them used to what they can expect from a schedule perspective, from a procedure perspective, from a this is how we're going to run practice perspective. But then when you miss all of the off-season program, all of the OTAs, the mandatory minicamp because you're not under contract yet, you're sounding off, you leave early, and

This is as contentious as a first round pick could handle negotiations with the team. And when I say first round pick, I don't mean Tamar Stewart individually, the player, I mean his agent, I mean his camp. I also include him in that conversation because he has agency in this, but he's following the advice of those that he is entrusted to handle his contract, to handle his professional side of things and non-football aspects of his life. Right. And so he's doing what,

the plan is. All of this is, I assume, being coordinated with those advising him. And then when you dig into the actual dispute, it starts to feel that's where I can really see both sides, let's say. And we'll dive into that. But where the Bengals have deservedly been under a ton of heat

two years ago last year this year or their various contract struggles with their receivers with jesse bates with trey hendrickson you name it they've been under fire from you know the pat mcafee's of the world the yeah the big name national reporters out there as well we've been critical of the way they've done contracts this is one where i really do see it

In both perspectives here, when you dive into the specific topic at hand and the way that it became such an issue. The reason, like you said, the reason this is such an issue is because the...

agent side of things, went through pro football talk, and that's where this initially went very public. And then Shamar Stewart isn't practicing. Those are the two reasons that anyone is paying any attention to this. Amarius Benz, for all we know, and there are somewhat reputable accounts that Amarius Benz went through the same thing in his negotiation last year. He didn't say anything about it, and he practiced the whole time. So nobody thought about it. And what's different here is how contentious it's become

the call out of the organization, the front office, the non-participation. And because of all those things, it's very much in the spotlight to the point that you have Adam Schefter going on the Pat McAfee show on Thursday and giving some misinformation or incorrect information that we'll correct here in a few minutes. But it's very easy to see why this has become such a hot button issue with the offseason that it has been for the receivers for Trey Hendrickson, now for Shamar Stewart.

and the Bengals' recent history, and that's why it's attracting all this attention. A ton of attention. And I do think back to Amarius Mims last year, and there is a rookie camp right before mini camp, or right before training camp, excuse me. He got signed like the 22nd of July. That rookie session and those sessions aren't open to the media. We don't know. We don't know. Maybe he was like, all right, enough is enough, and then they went that route. I don't know.

I think it's interesting because the Bengals deserve plenty of criticism, and I've criticized them for the Shamar thing. And part of it is you just don't need the headache right now. Just don't. There's a lot going on. It would be really nice to have Shamar and working with Al Golden and working with Jerry Montgomery and working against some really good tackles and all of those things, working on his one-on-ones and all these things that I was talking to different veterans about

that the offensive line and defensive line has already done to where guys like dylan fairchild are benefiting shamar would be benefiting from those reps against orlando brown jr and against the marius mem so that part of it is it is frustrating and the other thing here is the bengals do have a point it isn't just one-sided a lot of people have asked us about it and so let's dive into that because it isn't just oh my god the bengals are the devil and they're not

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I've tried to explain this on the podcast before, but we'll walk through it here. The issue is around this language, which is the very high level of it, lawyer speak stuff, around when the player is in default of the contract, when the player has violated the contract. What does it mean to be in default of a contract? Well, every team defines it a little bit differently.

And I don't know how exactly the Bengals are defining it in this case, but I do know that in the past the Bengals have included things like imprisonment, the player voluntarily leaving the team, retirement, certain types of suspensions, and there are carve-outs for minor suspensions versus major suspensions, conduct detrimental suspensions. There are different kinds of suspensions, which is why I say certain suspensions.

And honestly, there's carve out for imprisonment, too. If it's short term, like less than a few days, that's not necessarily considered a default on the contract. Certain off field injuries are part of this as well. And so what happens in current Bengals contracts is if you become in violation of your contract, if you are in default of your contract, you've done one of those severe misconduct or retired or whatever it is.

The guarantees in your contract for the year in which or the time in which you are in violation of your contract are no longer guaranteed. Those guarantees are voided. And there have been some points of confusion around that as well, I think. Voided guarantees don't void the contract. Schmarster would still be eligible to earn all of the money on that contract.

But the money just isn't guaranteed anymore. For example, Jamison Williams and Andre Perota has pointed this out. Jamison Williams was suspended for gambling for six games with the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions voided the rest of his guarantees on his rookie deal because the Detroit Lions use the language that the Bengals are trying to put in here. First of all, I'll clarify that in a second. So Jamison Williams saw all of his rookie contract guarantees voided, but he still earned all that money.

He still has the opportunity to earn that money. It's just not on a guaranteed basis anymore. That's all that means. So the difference- Well, and the issue is, is Shamar Stewart's contract is guaranteed. Like that's a huge difference. Yes. Huge difference when you lose all of the guarantees. Well, what's at risk here are future guarantees. So currently, the way the bankers define things is they do not have a call out that says,

If you are in default or ever have been in default, that ever have been in default, if you have ever been in this situation where you have done something that is considered in default of your contract, then this guarantee void. So Bengals don't have that language. A lot of teams do. Somewhere between 10 and 20-ish teams, depending on who you believe, use this language.

Not too uncommon. According to reports, Walter Nolan, who signed his contract to pick 16, Gray Zabel, who signed his contract to pick 18, Seahawks and Cardinals, both of those teams have this language. That is, if you have ever been in default, this guarantee voids. Again, that money is still earnable, but that is the difference, is the if ever part of the clause that the Bengals are trying to put in. And I don't think this is the first time they've tried to put it in.

i don't think they've managed to do it successfully before and now you have this very public battle where we know exactly what's going on and and so how everyone's going to hear that and say oh well the bangles are right they're just trying to do something that's the rest of the league does and on the flip side

By the way, real quick, I've seen this narrative. This has nothing to do with Jermaine Burton. Burton didn't have guarantees in his deal. It's a third round pick. It's way different. It's apples to steaks. It's much, much different. So this isn't because Jermaine Burton scarred them or anything like that. But yeah, they want this in there because it protects them. It gives them another layer.

And honestly, there's very few scenarios where Shamar Stewart doesn't play out his rookie deal. I mean, very, very few where he sees all that money. Even if you think he's going to be a bust and stink and have four and a half sacks in his entire career, it doesn't matter. He's probably going to see the length of that rookie contract. Think about some of the rookies that have played out their rookie contract for the Bengals and not been hits pick wise. But on the other side, if you're the Bengals and you want to break this precedent or start create this precedent, excuse me.

where first rounders agree to this, sweeten it a little. I think that's what's interesting is if you look at some of these teams and I'm not, I don't know exact, but I guarantee you these teams like the Eagles or, or whoever that are going to get not just first rounders, but stars to, to agree to these type of, to that type of language, that signing bonus that hits right away.

You make it 80% instead of 50% right away the moment you sign is deposited in your account or 100%. Maybe you pay the entire signing bonus. The Bengals usually break it up into a couple payments. It doesn't have to be that way.

And so that you could, they could literally get really specific where, like you said, one, a one game suspension for on field stuff, isn't going to set the contract into default. Like it could go really specific based on language. I've seen them use in the past. And so like it, it isn't unreasonable for the Bengals to do it, but Shamar is like, well, Marius didn't have to do it. And miles didn't have to do it.

And so if you're the Bengals and you're asking him to do something that they didn't have to do, well then maybe give Shamar something that,

that you didn't give those guys which is probably more of that signing bonus boom right away the moment he puts that ss on the dotted line yeah it's just timing of that payout right because if all the money is going to be paid it's giving the money earlier as early as possible and the other thing i would say to be fair to the bangles here is we don't know what concessions they have or have not made in terms of the timing of money we don't know we don't know if

They heard Shamar Stewart's concerns with the injury waiver and then changed the language there. And then at that point, it was just too far gone where this other thing became this big issue. And then the injury waiver didn't matter anymore. That was the initial reported reason that Shamar Stewart wasn't practicing. And I understand why the Bengals would want to do this. I understand why Shamar Stewart wouldn't want to be the first player to agree to this. You can understand both sides. That's why it's a negotiation. I think this probably happens a lot.

We just don't hear about it because the players just practice. This could happen with Demetrius Knight. We're still waiting to see what happens to second round picks in 2025 as a couple of them are signed, but many, many of them are not as the guaranteed money is heading into the second round now. And now you have teams fighting with agents over how much money will be guaranteed to second round picks as that will establish a precedent. Now the first two picks in the second round are getting fully guaranteed contracts and

Now what happens after that? And as those contracts become guaranteed, now the default and voiding of future guarantees becomes more of an issue. Why is this suddenly an issue for the Bengals? There's another question that you might be asking. And how often do the Bengals guarantee future money, James? If you're Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase, and maybe T. Higgins a little, a little T. And before Joe Burrow.

Carson? Maybe. I would have to go look. Probably. Carson. Yeah, I mean. But I don't know for sure. I haven't looked at it specifically. Point is, is that the Bengals don't do future guarantees. So this idea of defaults affecting the future years of guarantees is not something that's come up for them in the past. Now that they're entering this world, and this is why they're doing it, they're entering this world late where they're going to have to guarantee money in future years of deals.

And so they're trying to establish a precedent that says, hey, we're going to do more future guarantees, but we're also going to cover our butts. We're going to do a CYA clause, and that is going to involve these gross misconduct kind of things from retirement or whatever it is that will cover us a little bit more in the case something goes really wrong. On the other side of it, if you're Samar Stewart,

I understand not wanting to give up perceived leverage by practicing and wanting to hold that over the team's head, but you also really need to get on the field, man. And that's where it's tough for me to say, I think the player is handling this 100% right. I don't think the team is handling it 100% right either. I can see both sides of this in really every way. Yeah, let's hit that because I think there's more there. How Shamar's handled it, how his camp has handled it, how the Bengals...

are handling it. We heard from Zach Taylor on Thursday. So there's more here. I wasn't sure if there would be, but there's more here with all the contract breakdown as well. We'll do that coming up next. I was stunned the other day when Shamar talked like he did. And obviously our last show was on the Shamar stuff. And I'll say this, Jake, I know the organization didn't like it. I don't know how you could, but even in the moment, I'm like, oh my goodness. And then the more I digested it, the more I thought about it,

The more I wonder if they just do not blink here. And even the suggestion I made of, oh, well, how about you give up the concession and give up a bit more signing bonus money? Maybe they just say, you know what? You're going to act like that and air this out and be super public and make it a thing. Fine. And I do wonder because I do think they felt that. And that was a I mean, Zach talked about it on Thursday.

And it was like, you know, you could tell just by looking at his body language that it wasn't they didn't love it. And so I do wonder there. But as far as Shamar and how he's handling it, what do you what do you think? Because I think a lot of people are like, ah, they make a face at best when it comes to him and what he said.

The Bengals have this history with players speaking negatively about the team that led to what is called the Carl Pickens Clause, a loyalty clause the Bengals created and added to Pickens' contract, which I'm reading Wikipedia here, would cause him to forfeit all or some of his signing bonus if he insulted the organization in public. And this is now relatively common and

was back in 2001, the Washington Post reporting on this back in January 2001, an arbitrator ruling on the Bengals side that said, yeah, you're allowed to do this in contracts. So the Bengals are actually, as I understand it, more lenient with players speaking negatively about the organization than some other teams where they will give you a written warning first. And then if you do it a second time, you are now in default of the contract.

And so what's funny to me about this is that if Shamar Stewart had actually signed his contract before he said something like that, this would constitute a violation of one of those terms of the contract. So I think that it's good that he wasn't under contract when he said such a thing. And when you talk about the organization reacting and kind of hearing Zach Taylor, if you go back and listen to his remarks about them wanting to

I don't remember what word to use exactly, like protect. I don't think it was protect, but it's something like protect the locker room and the organization. You can understand where that's coming from when you consider their history. And this, again, is relatively commonplace. But I think that we can agree that that probably isn't the best way to handle it if you're Shamar Stewart.

I think like, and I understand he was being asked the same question repeatedly as more people join the media circle around him in the locker room. Maybe he's getting more frustrated as that conversation is happening, but that didn't help.

Anything to your point like could cause very well the Bengals to dig in more on this issue. Yeah, so so Zach I pulled up the quote he said you're right. He said protect he said I think There's education that happens with all the rookies that we do our best to educate them number one We want to protect our team our locker room and so there's some things I understand when there's frustration there And that's how he chose to do it and that's his prerogative and we look forward to getting him back in the fold So it's like yeah

Starting to kind of couch his language there at the end. Right, because he realized, okay, let's go back. Let's make this a non-story. But look, it is. And Shamar's handling it his way. And it's very public and fine. If that's it, if that's how his camp is choosing to do it, fine. We are in the content business. I'm not going to complain. But I'll put this out there.

Jake, you ever hear me complain about David Locke or Locked On on the podcast? No, sir. You ever hear me say Ross Jackson, that bop? Do you hear me say anything about any of the powers that be that are behind the scenes that Locked On Bengals people might not know, even though they're not behind the scenes, they're public on their pods? But, you know, you don't hear that. And so it's a bold strategy. It's not necessarily the strategy that we would take. You ever hear me talk bad about any boss? No. No.

And even if you disagree, and even if you think it's the most asinine thing in the world, you kind of know like, all right, well, even if I feel that way, I'm going to go tell you that and not the world that. So I do think that that's interesting. I'm not going to complain, but it's not necessarily that if I was giving Shamar advice, I would say that like, you don't want to add to the fire here because it's already a fire because you...

We're this guy that everyone knows needs reps and you haven't gotten any and you're not on the field and you're not working with Jerry Montgomery, a guy that was brought in to help these young guys get better. And defense was the reason this team wasn't a legitimate Super Bowl contender last year. And they need you to do that. And so really, really tough to go there. And by the way, that's why Shamar would say, yeah, if you need me, then throw this out and get me on the field. And I get that logic, but past that,

just pushing the conversation forward. He doesn't really have leverage. He's not going to go back into the draft next year. That is the stupidest thing. He has a guaranteed first round contract, 17th overall. He's going to pass that up to go back into the NFL draft next year. That would be, you want to talk about dumb decisions. That would be the dumbest decision. So I do not think that's even remotely plausible.

Yeah, I've seen that floated out there today as well. And it's asinine. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. The other thing that was out there today was what Adam Schefter said on Pat McAfee, said that it isn't a normal clause.

It's not normal for the Bengals. We've talked about why it's not normal for the Bengals. They've never had to worry about future guarantees before. It is normal for many, many teams in the NFL. Like I said, 10 to 20, don't know the exact number. Teams in the NFL use this language that is default or ever been in default. If you're in default or if you ever have been in default, this guarantee avoids. And they have it split out for every different guarantee in the contract.

They'll have it for 2025, 2026, 2027. It'll be different for each year. Maybe they'll say, we're not going to avoid 2028 if you do it in 2026. And that's where the Bengals can be creative. They can have carve outs. They can try to do different things to try to protect themselves while maybe easing the precedent. And I don't know if there's any compromise to be had here at this point, the way both teams have dug in. So that is what I think is tricky about this.

But yeah, I mean, the idea that you're going to reenter the draft and that's your leverage is not something I'm really willing to entertain at this point. That's not leverage. That's like the... I don't even want to go down the path, but think about it. I'll just...

guaranteed contract. He has one offered to him today. He doesn't like five words in it. So he's going to go back in the draft next year, risk not getting a guaranteed contract. Who knows when he goes teams would certainly be leery of taking him. You already were 17, like come on. So the compromise should happen. It needs to get done. He needs to be on the field. I'm saying this June 12th. If he is not on the field for day one of training camp, when we're out there,

then both sides deserve all the blame in the world. Because at some point, you should be able to come together and get this done. Because everyone should want 97 on the field. And so if 97 isn't on the field for day one of training camp, ready to go, it's a failure. And I think it could probably be construed at this point, we're quite late in the show, that we've talked a lot about why the Bengals are being reasonable about this. But like I said, I can also totally understand why

from our stewards perspective here even if i don't think he's handled it as well as you could possibly handle it i again think he's acting on the advice of an agent who represents dalvin cook and james cook and represented daryl revis doesn't have a lot of experience with the bengals doesn't have any experience with the bengals actually as far as i know i think i looked through this list and didn't see any bengals players on the list before not a lot of big contracts generally in this agent's history and so while he took exception and advised his client not to participate

In any of the practice activities this offseason, every other team saw their first-round pick that was healthy participate. And so that is unusual in the first place. Everything about this has been kind of unusual from the player side. And on the Bengals' side, they're trying to change something. And that can be hard. And when it goes public like this, it's going to be scrutinized, especially when you have the history you have. And ideally, you would figure something out by now.

certainly by the time training camp starts, but ideally this would not have been something we would have had to have talked about for the last few weeks. And so our, so it would be getting the refs. And so we're far from ideal at this point, far past ideal. We've been very, maybe you don't think we've been critical in this episode in general. We've been very critical of the Bengals during this process, because what I come back to is you just don't need another headache. You just need them on the field. Like, is this one thing where you create the, yeah, like,

And that's it. Like, that's what it is. So I totally see Shamar's side. We've done, honestly, hours at the time by this juncture on that side of it. But now that we have more information, now that we have a clear-cut idea of what's going on, we've heard from Shamar. Now he leaves.

It's got to get done. So hammer it now, write it in stone. It's a Thursday evening. It better, better be resolved by day one of training camp. We better see 97 Shamar Stewart on the field practicing, not in a ball cap, not putting on some sunscreen because it's going to be really hot in July and everyone's got to have some sunscreen. No, no, no.

need Shamar Stewart on the field practicing. It doesn't mean you can't wear sunscreen, Shamar, but you got to be out there participating. It's 10 in the morning. That's right. Yes. I forgot it. It'll be a little better. It'll be so much better. Oh yeah. You know who nothing is better than sunscreen, Jake. I have a picture of Jake.

before the super bowl media availability at ucla and he's rubbing lotion on his nose he was so worried about the sun anyways i don't know how we got on this topic i don't either you really really ran with that so we didn't get to a mini camp another day some production is important i think we can all agree there

We didn't get to our minicamp observations. Didn't get to Ted Karras' thoughts. He described this as not a distraction. Ted Karras, the Bengals NFLPA executive on the team, obviously going to support the players here. Obviously also would think, and has said, I think, that it would be great if Shemar was on the field, but sometimes this is the way it goes and you've got to do business. The good news is...

This can't be a distraction for four weeks because the Bengals are not in the building for at least four weeks, five weeks, I guess, until late July. We've got the training camp scheduled now. We haven't talked about that. I haven't talked about Jermaine Pratt landing with the Raiders and the Bengals' inability to get a trade done with Jermaine Pratt, the money he made from the Raiders, whether or not the money was just a non-starter. So there are topics here. And some Joe Burrow stuff, some Dan Pitcher stuff on continuity. Dan Pitcher revisiting the Joe Burrow continuity topic.

Some other Joe Burrow comments that we didn't get to. So there will be plenty to talk about here this offseason as the Bengals have adjourned their offseason program. And we'll continue to remain on watch for a deal to get done for two different Bengals addressers. Until next time, that's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Thanks for listening. Hootay. Have a good one.

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