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Assessing the Damage to the Iranian Nuclear Program

2025/6/26
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Paul G. Goh: 我认为美国对伊朗核设施的袭击评估存在争议。尽管国防情报局的初步评估报告称,伊朗的核计划只被推迟了几个月,但媒体却大肆渲染,暗示袭击并非军事上的成功。特朗普政府对此进行了强烈的反击,并强调了袭击所造成的实际破坏。重要的是,我们需要国际原子能机构的核查人员进入伊朗,以确保伊朗不再重建核计划,并处理任何未被摧毁的铀浓缩材料。此外,伊朗是否愿意承诺不再将以色列从地图上抹去,对于评估这次事件是否对伊朗产生了真正的影响至关重要。 Pete Hegseth: 我认为媒体对伊朗核设施袭击的报道存在偏见。他们泄露部分情报评估,暗示袭击效果不佳,这会引发媒体质疑其有效性。我可以明确表示,针对特定地点的大规模火力打击,一定会产生毁灭性的效果。 Elliot Kaufman: 我认为美国情报机构、国际原子能机构、伊朗官员以及以色列情报部门对伊朗核计划的评估存在分歧,导致相关讨论迅速政治化。那些之前声称伊朗没有接近核武器的人,现在却说伊朗非常接近,即使核设施遭到重大破坏。美国有兴趣与伊朗达成协议,包括国际原子能机构核查其武器的移除或消除。改变伊朗政权的能力,包括导弹能力,以及改变其意图,例如停止对美国和以色列的战争,停止资助代理军队。 Kate Batchelder-Odell: 我认为媒体过度报道了国防情报局的泄露报告,尽管这是一个初步的、不完整的低置信度报告,但报道这件事本身是合理的。伊朗是否在轰炸前转移了一些浓缩铀,这仍然是一个悬而未决的问题。特朗普政府内部对国防预算存在意识形态上的讨论,目前白宫的财政鹰派和对外政策克制派占上风,他们提出的国防预算基本上是持平的。

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The assessment of the damage to Iran's nuclear program after US airstrikes is highly debated, with conflicting reports from various intelligence agencies and analysts. The discussion involves the accuracy of initial assessments, the extent of the damage, and the potential for Iran to rebuild.
  • Conflicting reports on the damage caused to Iran's nuclear program by US airstrikes.
  • Debate involves assessments from DIA, CIA, IAEA, and Israeli intelligence.
  • Analysts like David Albright provide independent assessments of significant damage.

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The press touts a leaked, preliminary Defense Intelligence Agency assessment saying Iran's nuclear program was only set back by months by U.S. airstrikes. But the White House pushes back hard, and other analysts suggest far more extensive damage. Who's right? Plus, NATO allies agree to Donald Trump’s demand  to spend 5% of their gross domestic product on defense.  

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