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This is going to be our all things holiday episode is something of an annual tradition at this point, just as many things are traditions with the holidays earing rape before thanksgiving in the united site. So if you are celebrating that, we wish you a very happy, thankful ving. Sera, what is the basic scaffolding of your holiday season this year?

yes. So and I am visioning everyone listening to this, like on a long driver, I don't know preparing to get on a plane or something. We are doing thanksgiving, the avia, this year, because my parents are celebrating their fifty anniversary wedding anniversary.

And this is kind of a big deal for us because we do thanksgiving in miami beach pretty much always. We even used to fly down to my A B B B when we lived in north CarOlina. It's a really, really big holiday.

And my husband's family and I usually baLanced that out by then during winter break. Doing something closer to this is like a departure from routine. But i'm excited about IT, and we gave them lots of warning the miami plan that we would not be here.

So kind of excited for IT. What about you? S.

yeah. Well, we usually get together with my extended family over thanksgiving, but one chunk of that family is doing sort of what you are doing. They're going elsewhere for thanksgiving, which means that they won't be available. And so I will probably be posting a smaller thanksgiving this year, but I am planning on cooking as this is iring did turkey and all that stuff know we will be around for much of december. We're going to go away for a few days after Christmas, and you guys are going away over the Christmas time too, right?

yeah. And this was kind of like took us a long time to decide this. One of those trips, like, I feel like we usually tend to plan our big vacation tribes many months in advance.

I kind of have been slated, but we made a pretty unprompted decision around october to go back to big sky and ski again. So super, super excited about that. The kids have two weeks off winter break and they have a full week off for thanksgiving, which I understand is not the case with you, correct?

Yeah, no. And even worse, we have a bit of like half days for some of the kids. So it's just like the worst, I mean, two half days or whatever you give people a week, I don't know, but then I understand it's harder to get to your require hundred and eighty days or all that.

But two weeks off I were Christmas is kind of a long time. We had slightly longer than we Normally did. So in my mind, originally I thought we are going to go somewhere far away for Christmas.

Yeah, IT didn't seem like a great thing. Some of the kids want to be home for Christmas. I mean, there is nice things to be home for Christmas in terms of doing the same things that you always do in having these tradition. So we're only going away for a couple of days even though we have about a week and a half off. But I mean, you're trying to get some work done during at least one of those weeks of the holiday break.

You yeah I mean, I am blowing through a ton of pt o at my clinical job, which I also did last year, but I did the calculation and I seem to have a despair. So my plan is to really have like a family center week of traveling and then a me centered week of getting work done. The only thing is I am not sure what I am doing with the kids for that work centered week as my husband is going to be on call.

And so I do need to figure that out because I needed to get writing down. I wanted do something like planting type stuff and I have the idea of maybe like we'll leave me alone for a few hours per day. But I law is like shaking her head because she's probably right. It's going to be really disjointed and rough and someone's going to be asking for something every twenty .

minutes yeah and like if you need the focus mental space to work, I think they need to be elsewhere because otherwise yeah, even if they're playing video games all afternoon, they may stop at some point for something and then you're going to feel bad about like yelling at them to get out of your closet.

Where are you do your work? And you also just having the knowing, like sitting down at eight o'clock that you haven't til five o'clock to work is often good for getting yourself in the feeling of being productive as opposed to like OK. I'm trying to grab twenty minutes here before anyone needs me all that I never .

feel like I have eight to five to work on anything ever so I don't even necessarily feel like I need a full day. But I need like a solid half. I need like a three four hour concentrated stretch. So maybe there will be some camps that I have to look into.

Yeah, no, I think that would be wise. I think that would be wise. But so sir did of the organization of this episode, we switch off and who does what the episodes that are both of us. And so maybe you can talk a little bit about this approach you wanted to take for the holiday episode this year.

yes. So I promise, Laura, this would not be simplify your holidays. That's not her favorite trobe. It's a little bit over died. And sometimes we don't see the point of simplifying things that bring you joy. I mean, why not like expound on the things that bring you joy? However, I don't know. I'm very little like the idea of like not going with preconceived ideas and like assuming everything as a half do or like taking a more design minds that to your holidays of my idea was a start from scratch holiday design and Lauren has some feelings on. So i'll let you talk before I push back.

You do not not so much feelings on IT is just that I think if you have always done something that is a reason to keep doing IT, right? Like you don't have to not do something because you're like, well, that seems a little silly or funny or whatever I been. We do the same things over and over again in a lot of aspects of life and is partly just because we've done them a great many times of tradition has its own wait. So obviously you don't, anna, do anything mindless year if no one enjoys IT or gets any meaning from IT, what is the point? But now I think you don't want to assign like I wouldn't put zero based accounting on the holidays.

put IT sense. I an you can start with a zero based budget, I guess, sort of but give extra points, extra weight to things that are traditional for your family. But I mean, I also do feel like sometimes that does raise the question because maybe you always have ante genes like cranberry sauce, but like every year, nobody likes IT like you could just stop having IT one year and nothing will happen like it's okay.

Most of these things we're going to talk about are kind of optional fun activities. And if you're at a point in your household when no one's having fun, then IT may makes sense to revisit. I mean, know that can be like bitter sweet in a way and I also think it's important to like have the opposite, which is that don't just assume that something won't be fun. Discuss your kids have reached a certain age like you could be like, ah yeah that's for like little kids but if you talk to your kids and you're start from zero and you bring that at the table, they're like, no, I love that that's important so please like, do IT continue that tradition yeah.

that's why we are going to have breakfast with santa this year.

Do I love that?

And IT wasn't four year old asking for IT. So with that in mind, if somebody really wants to make something happen that we've done a lot in the past IT worth doing? Yeah.

hundred percent. And I think you're right. There should be like points aside just for the tradition sake, does not one hundred points in automatic jobing non here agenda because at some point you're going to want to add things and something gonna have to go.

At some point, we have finite amount of time, all right? So with that, we're going to go by category and talk about what we're choosing to do. If we were, we are we're going to be like, okay, blanks late.

What are we choosing? What are you opting in? What we opting out in various categories.

And I just think these episodes are fine because i'm sure everyone, many of the listeners are just thinking about a lot of the same things even though Laura ellis Christmas and I don't, we still have lots of seasonal traditions in common, just kind of growing up in a common culture, I guess. And yes, so this will be fun to see where things differ, where things don't. All right. So first category hosting well.

we're hosting thanksgiving, right? Even if they'll be small, so will do the traditional cooking with again, I don't know that everyone likes turkey, but I think not cooking a turkey on thanksgiving would be quite a statement like, oh, we're just ordering chinese food. I'm not sure that, that would go over all that well, right? So there's one where even if IT is just tradition, there is sort of a reason to keep doing that. I don't currently have any any plans for a holiday party, but you had one of like having IT maybe into january what we're .

getting to that later about parties I met more like having people like stay at your house and hosting being so you're hosting the thanksgiving dinner and is anybody coming to stay at your household?

I don't know. I mean, we live pretty close to a lot of our relatives on my site at least, and then were not having a big get together with my husband's family over the holidays. So I don't think that they would be coming either. So yeah, I think it's pretty much just gonna.

okay? We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to get to the next category, which is cooking fancy meals.

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Alright, we are back. And by the way, I didn't answer my own question about hosting, and I will say I don't think there's going to be any of the obvious hosting happening, which is great. That means I don't have to like worry about guest bedrooms or menus or anything like that will talk about how I am still excited to participate in these events but not really planning at any hosting this season.

So that's for us. All right. So cooking fancy meals, we kind of got to that with hosting IT. Sounds like you are kinda for think's giving of my getting that right.

Yeah I never be doing IT, although because my brother's wife will not be there like they're traveling elsewhere for thankful slaving SHE always makes really good rules that are kind of a highlight of thanksgiving. There was one memorable thanksgiving where alex had a one of those kid plates that has like four quadrant and IT, and he literally just took four roles and put one in each quarter.

Now is what he wanted for thanksgiving dinner, just that they're turkey, so SHE won't be there. So I guess I need to try to come up with some approximation there of either this role recipe or do something else that people are really going to like, because I think that people will miss. So, you know, wish me luck up on that one.

That sounds like a fun project, i'm gonna ask, even though this is really exciting, the scope of our show are they those like toy like roles that .

are like like now there are eastwood that are like button ah flavoured, but there with a like shortening. It's pre old school southern recipe kind of thing. Love IT.

love IT. We always had these like cresent roles that they kind of rolled up and like I think I might have eaten a plate before of them on IT in different.

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No, alright. We will exit from roles, but now i'm getting excited. So we're not again, i'm not like cooking, but I am planning to kind of ran into helping other people cook in various circumstances.

So my mom is cooking, but I don't have like stuff that i'm going to be doing otherwise i'm just going to be like, I will be your scheff and whatever you need help with, I will chap, I will whatever. So I am looking forward to that kind of like a active role, but not a take charge role that sounds kind of appealing to me. And I will have to make every season, I have to make some q empire. So even though I won't be here for thanksgiving, I know I have to bring your empire to miami beach at sometime around thanksgiving, or people will be very, very disappointed. So I will do that sounds good.

How about holiday cards? Are you doing that this year?

You have suspending cards, definitely doing that. Even if I had never done that before, i'd be excited to do IT. And we do new year's cards because then I don't have as deadline driven and also because then I can collect everyone's address when they send IT to me and then use IT to make my address less.

Perhaps I finally made a google sheet for the holidays this year after many years of like using paper and kind of hazards system. So I am so so, so excited to put that into action again this year. What about you?

Yeah, well, this always nudges us to get family photos taken in fall at some point, which we did in late september. And you know, I started of guilt trip my kids into doing IT because he said this going to be one of the last years that everyone will just sort of automatically be here, which so getting them all together might be a little bit more complicated. Other years, I don't know what our holiday card will look like, but still have all five of them this year. So yeah, I enjoy doing IT, getting them printed up, sending them to people. And just a real quick tip, even if you're not sending cards, it's nice technology dge of people do send you a card like you can just sort of text the person and say, hey, cute card god to hear everything's going well with you or you know, you could share a quick update of your life too, but it's sort of easy way to keep that connection even if you're not doing the whole hole store game yourself.

I love that. That's really nice. The idea and a take, are you exempt from sending the text if you send your own cards? Because I admit I have never done the .

text in your own cards. That's the appropriate recipe. Al response.

okay, perfect. And by the way, do your cards have like any I can't remember because i've gotten your cards before and you've gotten mind. I like to put like a very short summary of like stuff that went on and I take a lot of joy in that. I know some people don't do that, but I love that when people do that. Yeah, I mean, we used to do the .

letter like the whole letter, but IT became a bit more like family resume, like, let me, you know, tell what everyone's doing in their lives. So now we tend not to do that. I just write a quick note saying hello on the back, but I do sign them all and put a quick note because and I leave space for IT when i've created the card, it's fun to get personal know that I mean, you you're going to go to the effort of mAiling the car. And I know some people have a whole automated system of IT, but if you're gonna go to the effort of mAiling IT, IT only takes a little bit more time to like say hello and sign your name. And so to throw that out there that you may as well take the extra seconds and make IT a little bit more personalized.

I like that. Then the recipient knows, at least for a moment, like you, we're thinking about them. That's nice. yes.

Which is good gifts? yes.

I mean, this doesn't really an opt out. T be interesting if IT was, I guess maybe some people do share your opt out of gifts stories, but we definitely are opting in to doing gifts this year. However, once again, I think josh is going to take the lead on the kid.

gifts. We do do eight gifts for the eight nights of honor. Ga, the expect stuff is just a thing.

However, some of these gifts are very minimal. So it's not eight iphones or something like that. And then we are pretty limited with the rest of our with gifts.

And I don't see that changing. We do our nieces, our nephews and I will ask for specific submissions to just make that process a little bit easier as to what they want. I do then gives to my college friends because that's kind of is a yearlong tradition that I don't think for planning on letting go at this point.

And then, of course, gifts for all kinds of staff at work are, nanny, are cleaner, such a. And I keep IT very simple. For all of those people, I give cash. And then for teachers, I either give cash or target gift cards, which I tend to despite, like all at once, a whole bunch of them. And as I was creating this easy plan, I was like, you know, when I go to target to get the gift cards, I should get a nice box of cards to put these into, because IT tends to be a weird pain point that I every year, which is like I have the cash and I don't have anything like nice to put IT in so I need to get like just generic but cute happy holidays box of like hey should just get fifty cards. I don't think people will care if they get the same one two years in a row, as long as there's a nice gift in there and .

you need a fifty eth wedding anniversary gift for your parents to there, right?

yes. So my plan for that, and I mean onest ly, as I was doing this episode, I need to put this on my planner, is I want to hire a photographer to come take a picture of our family. We are all there for thanksgiving, my sister, my knees, my parents at a and then i'm going to have that printed in some form. I think that is probably there's no material gift that would make them really all that happy. But this would be, I think.

really great. Yeah, I mean, the idea of hiring a photographer and putting other and album is actually a really good gift idea for any kind of like older relative or people who have a lot of stuff. But it's a way of preserving memories because this is a pain to hire a photographer and to organize IT and to get everyone together to do IT.

So if you're having some sort of family gathering, I did this for to my sister and load hired a photographer when we gathered from my parents, fifty of one I anniversary a few years ago, and we love having those photos. And so then I hired a photographer when we got together with my husband's family for my mother in law, eighty fifth birthday. And I can tell you, IT is a pain, but it's a like nobody wants.

Do IT like if you're get together with twenty people, people don't want to stop and pose for, like fifty photos in different combinations is kind of a party bus kill, even more so if you make them wear the same thing, which I did. So if a big group, like everyone wearing jeans on the bottom and White on the top, some people have done, the cake is on the bottom, light blue on the type here to be dealing with the morning. I'm just onna throw that out there, but you will be happy to have them afterwards, like everyone's going be happy to have these photos and if you create an album or do some bigger princess gifts for people that can take you for a while so I will throw that out there as an idea other things like that yeah like collecting family recipes would be a great.

There's some pretty easy like self publishing technology could print ten copies of the book to distribute to your entire family. So think you have stuff like that might go a long way for people who are not gonna the start, you like shop regular stuff for my kids. On the other hand, I can shop regularly stuffer you going to try and get this all done by black friday?

I want to ordered on mine. I don't want to have to like go anywhere. Josh likes to go places, so he may want to go places, but I feel like we're both gonna in philadephia. And by the way, as people who listened to this, they're like he's hiring photographer and it's been like today, so like are recording this a few years of yes, we're not totally divisional. But I mean, to me, that's A.

We're so preoccupied with other stuff work, the his activities the rest of time or as we're going to be like a captive audience in philothea for the week of the kkk giving and there's going to be all these sales and stuff. So I don't want to stand in line at like some big box retailer at six A M or something like that. But I assume a lot of these deals going to be .

you as that kind of person you are reading for that television. Yes.

I want that went like that doll that like spoke ker or something like that tickle me. Mo, thankfully I think we've aged out of that. So yeah, no, there used to be like a separate cyber monday, but since now people generally just shop online as a Normal thing, many of them I am assuming we'll be plenty of actual black friday ideals that I could purchase with my fingers. So I just think that would be a really nice way of like knocking a lot of that out and then entering the month of december worrying about other things because I also have a kid with a birthday, a husband with a fifteen fifth birthday and like just like .

a million other million other. So I actually do like going to the stores around Christmas. I mean, partly because yeah, we buy so much stuff online and it's very easy. But you get ideas by kind of looking at a section and obviously an online algorithm suggest stuff too.

But I feel like every time I go to one of the bigger targets around here or you know the walmart, so whatever I come up with toy ideas that I wouldn't have thought of, and often it's the older kids even, who there might be fun games or things like that, that I again, I wouldn't know to think about. But there are things that are targeted for, say, twelve year old or ten year olds are whatever. And a smart store will have a display along those lines.

And so that can give you great ideas. So yeah, I will be in the stores. I am sure there will be a lot of shopping, always be more shopping than there should be.

But the good news in my family, the kids, that is sort of easy to over buy toys for, like the Younger two, the nine year and four year old will have birthdays right up for Christmas. So it's fine. So if I overbuy, I can just shove the extra stuff into a corner, put under raps, bring you back out for her birthday.

One thing I do, and I will do this again, you know, we're not going to zero some accounting here. I make a list to keep track of who's getting what and make sure IT is even because everyone needs to unrated about the same number of stuff, everyone needs to have at least one thing under there that they're very excited about. So sometimes I have even bought like a bigger, cheap thing for somebody because all their presence were small and they needed something big to make IT look like a bigger pile of presence. And that's just one of those things you do as a parent of five children. And you know I think .

this might be our first google sheet. 那个 like I see us in my mind that needs to happen and that would help with the like， even like highlight the one big gift and then no, make sure. But when you say equal, like is not like you're telling exact.

Now now. And I mean, I don't do money. Like what I want is everyone to get stuff that they are happy about. And the nature of this is that older children get more expensive stuff than Younger children. So you know, like an iphone versus you can get a lot of toys.

I mean, you could go like a whole spree through walmart for toys for the cost of an iphone, but that's just the nature of IT. So i'm not going for that. I'm going for equal happiness, love IT at least take one more quick ad break and the movie back with more on figuring out the holidays.

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Are we are back. I will have to report back to let you know if my efficient gift strategy ends upcoming definition. But i'm kind of excited about IT.

We're going to move on to parties and specifically throwing parties. So do you have a holiday party plan? Laura? No.

that sounds fun. I'd like to do IT sometime, but I think I would probably do IT as kind of an open house sort of thing, like just for a couple of hours. People drop by and make IT very much adult and kid.

So invite like people and kids classrooms and their parents of the kids you know I know some of my kids friends but don't know their parents all that well for the older ones because they kind of get together independently at some point without parental involvement. So yeah I mean, I think can be fun, but i'm not necessarily taking that on this year, maybe in the future. Yeah.

I think I kind of feel poll to do some kind of neighborhood, something I don't know exactly what I would look like, but I feel like i've gotten to know enough like locals that would would be fun to do yet like similarly, I can open house. But I think i'm just thinking about like the actual calendar and the realistic nature of probably not getting in december, some thinking IT would be more like new year is january.

I mean, for us, it's not the dollar. Ms, no one's cold, no one sad. Everyone's like, who is lovely, but I still think kind of like post vacation inks. Is that just a little happy hour to like light in the mood might be fun?

yeah. So my church choirs always has a twelve night party, which is really great for timing because people tend not to be busy the first weekend of january, where they definitely are in the december weekends before Christmas. And then IT just like pushes forward the holiday cheer a little bit further.

I will point out that the twelve days of Christmas are, in fact, after Christmas, many people don't know that, but IT starts on the twenty fifth, goes to the six. And, uh, so you may think about how you could celebrate that, that there might be very is festive opportunities to stretch out the season a little bit more so and we can combine some of these last categories. I'm like, oh my god, we have a lot of categories to get there.

We're really into the holiday experience. You're really into the holiday. I going to consolidate the attend party, but I want to know if you're going to like design you're clothing aesthetic for any holiday parties. Have you thought about how that might go?

I think I have mentioned this on this podcast before that I realized over the years that there was this issue that my festive dresses were like little straps or whatever, and it's cold in december, so I don't really actually want to wear these dresses in december. Alam is wearing some sort of wrap around IT like and practically wearing my winter coat into the event.

Because I like too cold, I can't be bothered to be uncomfortable if I like at something. So eventually, last year just went on amazon as one does, and specifically looked for long steam dresses. And so got something that's more of a vvd type thing is like a mermaid cut.

I really like IT. In fact, I liked you so much. I bought IT in Green last year.

I decided just to buy IT in blue this year. So that is what I will be wearing to various holiday parties this year. IT is not the same dress. I could wear the same dress. I don't think anyone would care or notice, but just for my own sense of dignity, IT is not the same dress, but IT is very, very similar.

I love IT a very decide once kind of approach. I also have like one gold dressed, unlike that works for any holiday. And and I got a Sparkly shirt for the Taylor h live concert, and I got in the target kid section.

IT looks like way Better than than that. And I think that's going to be like for casual holiday stuff that place jeans. I feel like I can rock IT anything Sparkly, right?

absolutely. Anything Sparkly can work as a holiday thing. Speaking of which decor, if one is deciding from scratch what sort of decor to do there? Are you doing any sort of decor? No, no.

okay. So we are we've had a kind of on my list of one hundred dreams to have the house professionally decorated for Christmas. We have sort of started moving in that direction that we got the fancy tree last year.

But from our official treats, we owe IT now. So it's very easy to just like put IT back up and have those. We have a couple other you know nice decorations that are our house manager is gna put up and SHE also got a group of people at the company that does window washing in the summer.

And in the winter they do holiday decorations. So they are going to do a bunch of trees in our yard with lights because they have the latter and all the lights and all that suffer. So i'm excited to see how this is going to look and figure out.

I just try IT something a little bit more festive this year. Don't ever have to do IT again if we don't like IT or if IT seems like a waste. But you know me as well.

given the world. And do they have take answer as as as well they do.

you would absolutely not do this so that what you're borrowing the lights from them, like you don't know the lights, right? Like they own the lights. So they put him up and then they come take him down.

That is excEllent. I love and I can be to see IT.

yes, hopeful ly to be up and you're here.

Oh, really my thanksgiving.

That's exciting. Yeah, yeah. They were almost booking a weekend in october to do IT as like, okay, I feel a little bad about doing that.

Maybe we pushed into november. So but I mean, you know you pay the same amount if it's up for like two weeks versus two months. So you may as well as well have the full on festivities .

for two months of IT aren't holiday I was to say holiday media. We can combine our performance category with our movies and .

music category well. So we were exchanging notes back and forth here, and, you know, we often go to the nutcracker and stuff like that and said, that does two. But you made an interesting point that one could decide to not go one year and then go there next year.

If you go to something every two years, IT feels a little bit more fresh and new and not like you just went, but it's still part of the tradition. So I I think that's a great idea in general, like if there's something you enjoy. But IT seems like it's kind of a big like it's a pry tickets or something like that. Deciding to do with every other year means that still a holiday tradition, but it's not quite as frequent. I think that's a nice thought.

You yeah, I just want there to be like a little bit more novelty like I feel like we went not that long ago even though I guess I was a full year. So there might be our policy every every two years, maybe every two to three years.

we go to the yeah I mean, i've seen like yeah they are not crack like ten times maybe maybe it's time to a take a slight break from that, but we are going to go see the rackets. We've not got our tickets yet. We well, we went for the first time last year with a group, enjoyed IT quite a bit.

And so we're just gna take some day in december to go to new york and see the rocket, see the rocket filer basic Christmas tree, go out to dinner with the family and just kind of make a day of IT. It's actually a really good show. I never went when I lived in new york because I had this idea oh so cheesy, like all the tourists are lined up around the block to go into IT. And so had needed something to do with the group last year.

So we did IT. And it's actually a really good show. There's a reason .

everyone's line .

up around the world, so fun.

So you're doing more the movie thing, right?

Like you you guys have have to I don't know if your kids like and my kids a lot, I mean, they have to watch elf, they have to watch home alone. When they don't have to, they will want to. I have to watch charlie Brown Christmas and then I drag whoever many kids I could get.

And then they're like some newer fun ones that like we watched a bit Christmas, I think last year that was really, really good. And then I love, love, love holiday music. So my policy is I don't want to, like, started too early. I wanted to feel really special. So december first, like latest on december first.

the december first is also the earliest that the elf can appear in our house, which is a tradition that I am only doing, because that is a tradition the elf would perhaps not be welcome in our lose.

You're doing IT. They love IT because is just a tradition you're doing because they d if that off was not there, you know.

Maybe more people can be involved in the elf wonder this year. Maybe the elf can have little helpers who are .

not interesting.

So how about will I see cooking? We've are you talked about like holiday meals. And what do you do any baking though? I mean, do you have baking sessions? Gingerbread cookies.

I love the idea of, if we generally don't. My mom is to make this really good short bread cookies with iconic decides they were super good. And I love that a couple of people in my office at work tend to make cookies and bring them in because I enjoy eating them.

But i'm not putting the summer list. I just one like another thing. We might do something like prefab gingerbread house creation with a kid or something because the kids take .

one or maybe your kids did at my house. I mean, we like gender bread kit type of last year.

I think we did. But we could do IT again. They would be over the moon. So, so, so okay.

i'll just buying our kids for everyone. He'll put that on the list, but I put baking on my holiday finance, most of because my daughter love s backing and you'll do a lot of baking on her own, which he is allowed to do as long as he remembers to turn off the ast of which good to have somebody in the house, at least at some point within the hour he is doing. And just to confirm, it's off.

But SHE can do most of IT. I think he can take the lead on IT. I would just make sure that all the ingredients are available for her to do that. And then I can be more of the scheme for that experience and have a real holiday baking extravaganza. But the upside is that something that you can put in a lot of different places.

You can kind of look at a weekend that has, say, two parties and a trip to a light display and like a rehearsal al for performance, like you can't put something else big in there, but you could put a to our baking event that would fit. So I think as you're making your holiday fun, less is good to have a range of activities. There are some stuff that is specific to a time, some stuff that there are lots of options like the rockets but you do have to commit, and then other things that you're not want to make a time for IT. But I could go in lots .

of different cookies movies.

cookies movies yeah ah yeah you have any part of craft you're doing. I don't think we put that on here for us, but it's something we could do. And then you always want to plan for the next year too. And that's that's a big part of the holiday fun for you.

I love doing that. I like doing at the second week of when my kids are off and i'm off and like january just on the horizon. I don't like wait to fill in my planner.

In fact, this year I think I mentioned on a party episode. I just was like diving in in october, like I have stuff to schedule in january and i'm not magically like I need to use this thing now. But at the same time, that's when I do my like more formal scheming of like all kinds of goals and things like that.

Now I am gonna put a plug for two different things. Number one, I run personally a best day plans at home, kind of annual planning course. That's four hours. It's actually based on what we do at best, late plans live. And then people wanted like cave, virtual virgin. So if you're like, I want a lot of structure around my planning and I want to sit there for four hours with you with the workbook and like do IT with you that is still available and for a lower key version of that, that still really, really fun. We have our patron on which every december, and we haven't set the date yet for this, but it'll probably something .

after november twenty six when this is eric. So but the good news is .

that IT hasn't happen. Yes, yes, you still have a chance. It'll be an hour, usually around twelve eastern time, where it'll be like a many version of that like planning, and you will get dive into your the beginning of your annual planning, including maybe figuring out when you're onna do the rest of IT in more detail. But we do visioning and we start with go setting and all that kind of fun stuff. So if you want the long, long log version, before hour version that especially plans at home, and then if you want a little mini planning that will still really get you started donors in patria, it's a lot of fun.

Yeah, i'd like to have this mostly set when we do our goal's episode for the next year, which we always record seemingly early and something going to get this lack down by then. So you know but a lot of fun things going on with the holiday, lots of traditions or new traditions you can start. I think it's fun that always try.

You know, you do the stuff that you enjoyed from the past. You can also try one or two new things each year because maybe i'll discover something that you want to do again and again. Of course, you may also discover you don't like IT, then you don't have to worry about that or think about doing IT again in the future.

But hopefully one's making a great holiday fun list as they are hearing this episode, and we look forward to hearing what you come up with. But our question sera, what do you want for hanker or Christine? Do you guys get hanker presents like the adult? So it's only the kids.

It's only the kids we do. That's the funny part, i'm like. But you know, I think it's sometimes 你 will， by myself, 那个 gifts .

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I may need to set a little like, one could be like a nail polish, one could be a lipstick, one could be a book, right? Like you.

yeah, you're right. That might be fine. Maybe i'll open them up in from the go. Look what I get today.

So I think if someone were actually, by me, a gift, which like that, well, my college friends, we kind of buy each other gift. So I get gifts that way. I think long ware like, I want to buy myself some nice, like, I want to elevate my lounge ware.

I want to like, feel cute and coffee after hours. So somewhere and then I think a book that like, if you love a book and you really like see that other person loving a book, I think that like a really fun gift. Or if someone had a cosmetic product that they think is like a miracle worker, like buy IT.

for me that sounds good. What about you? yeah. And I mean, what I honestly want is like to get away for a while.

I think can go sit a cabin in the woods for a while and right and somebody else will handle the details of my life, so will see if that happens. But stay tuned. Love of the weeks there.

Ah what what do you have? Oh, we had a lot of love of the weeks. And this, this.

I just love holiday albums of all my favorite ite artists. They make me happy. My favorite is casey mosque. That sure that before, but maybe have a new favorite this year.

have to shop around. Yeah, try anyone's out. Yeah, yeah. Mean, I like the holidays in general.

I would like to make sure that my mental load isn't overwhelming with IT, but I usually isn't. So will be having many people take on different projects of IT. But holidays are a festive time.

It's it's good to do, good to do. I, well, this has been best of both worlds. We've been discussing all things holiday. Would love to hear what you have planned for your holiday seasons. We will be back next week with more on making work and life fit together.

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