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355 Envoy 3936 Wrong Runway Landing at O’Hare with Rob Mark & HondaJet Crash in Arizona

2024/11/9
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Max Trescott: 我分析了最近发生的几起航空事故,包括一架本田飞机在起飞时坠毁和一架航空公司飞机在芝加哥奥黑尔机场降落在错误跑道上的事件。本田飞机事故的潜在原因包括飞行员错误,例如未能移除阵风锁或控制锁,襟翼设置不当,以及起飞时刹车仍然处于启动状态。此外,飞行员在达到V1速度后未能或无法旋转飞机也可能是事故原因。在超过V1速度后,放弃起飞比继续起飞更危险。对于双引擎飞机的飞行员来说,在起飞前做好充分的准备并在达到V1速度时做出正确的决定至关重要。 对于Envoy 3936航班在奥黑尔机场降落在错误跑道上的事件,这是一个“瑞士奶酪”时刻的典型例子,多个小错误累积导致了潜在的危险情况。机组人员在起飞前根据天气情况预计降落在27R跑道,但在下降过程中获得了ATIS信息,指示他们预计降落在9L跑道,随后空中交通管制将他们的到达方式改为SB-5到达方式,机组人员进行了简报,并预计最有可能被分配到10R跑道。最终,他们被分配到10C跑道,但由于ILS系统无法工作,且机组人员未告知空中交通管制员,最终降落在10L跑道上。这一事件突显了飞行员与空中交通管制员之间有效沟通的重要性,以及在导航设备出现故障时及时报告的重要性。 我回顾了第353集的内容,并对我的语气表示歉意。当时我个人情绪不好,导致我的回应有些尖刻。尽管我仍然坚持我给出的答案,但我应该更友善一些。当引擎仪表出现故障时,飞行员应该仔细观察其他情况,并决定是否需要着陆。如果出现引擎相关故障,则应立即着陆。对飞机系统的了解至关重要,但如果存在任何疑问,则应着陆。 Rob Mark: Envoy 3936航班在芝加哥奥黑尔机场降落在错误跑道上的事件是一个“瑞士奶酪”时刻的典型例子,多个小错误累积导致了潜在的危险情况。事件中,机组人员在起飞前根据天气情况预计降落在27R跑道,但在下降过程中获得了ATIS信息,指示他们预计降落在9L跑道,随后空中交通管制将他们的到达方式改为SB-5到达方式,机组人员进行了简报,并预计最有可能被分配到10R跑道。最终,他们被分配到10C跑道,但由于ILS系统无法工作,且机组人员未告知空中交通管制员,最终降落在10L跑道上。这一事件突显了飞行员与空中交通管制员之间有效沟通的重要性,以及在导航设备出现故障时及时报告的重要性。空中交通管制员也应该及时纠正飞行员的错误。奥黑尔机场的繁忙程度也可能导致飞行员和空中交通管制员之间沟通不足。 在法航447号航班坠毁事故中,由于皮托管结冰,导致自动驾驶仪和自动推力系统断开连接,机组人员误解了空速指示,最终导致飞机失速坠毁。这一事件强调了在仪表故障时保持冷静的重要性,以及不要立即采取行动的重要性。飞行员应该仔细评估情况,并做出最佳决策。

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What happened to Envoy Flight 3936 at Chicago O'Hare?

Envoy Flight 3936, an Embraer 170, was cleared to land on Runway 10 Center but mistakenly landed on Runway 10 Left on September 25th. No one was injured. The incident resulted from a series of small errors, including multiple runway changes during the flight, the crew's inability to tune the ILS for Runway 10 Center, a miscommunication regarding heading, and the acceptance of instructions for a fix they couldn't identify. Both the flight crew and air traffic control failed to communicate crucial information about the misalignment and the ILS issue, contributing to the near miss.

Why did the Envoy Flight 3936 crew land on the wrong runway?

The crew experienced several changes in assigned runways throughout the flight, initially expecting 27R, then 9 Left, then 10 Right, before finally being assigned 10 Center. They couldn't get the ILS for 10 Center to work but didn't inform ATC. During communication, there was confusion over the heading to intercept the localizer, and they acknowledged the final approach fix for the ILS they couldn't tune. While visually landing, they mistakenly aligned with and landed on 10 Left. The good VFR weather and daylight conditions likely prevented a more serious incident.

Why did ATC allow Envoy Flight 3936 to land on the wrong runway?

While the controllers noticed the misalignment, they didn't inform the flight crew, opting instead to coordinate with the 10 Left controller to ensure no traffic conflicts. This decision contradicted guidelines in the air traffic control handbook, which mandates informing pilots of wrong surface alignments. A contributing factor may have been the busy environment at O'Hare, but the incident prompted a software update to alert controllers of such misalignments in the future.

What safety measures were implemented after the Envoy 3936 incident?

Following the incident, the FAA implemented a software update at O'Hare's tower and approach control. This software alerts controllers when an aircraft is aligned with the wrong runway by displaying the aircraft's assigned runway and emitting an alert if it deviates. This aims to prevent similar incidents in the future by providing controllers with a clear warning and prompting communication with the flight crew.

What were the contributing factors to the HondaJet crash in Mesa, Arizona?

While the exact cause is still under investigation, several potential factors are being considered. These include failure to remove gust or control locks, improper flap settings, a medical event affecting the pilot, or a mechanical failure during takeoff. The aircraft aborted takeoff at a speed exceeding V1, suggesting an issue arose after the decision speed. The investigation is ongoing, and more information will be needed to determine the definitive cause.

Why is system knowledge important for pilots?

System knowledge is crucial for pilots as it enables them to differentiate between minor system failures and serious emergencies. A deep understanding of how aircraft systems function allows pilots to accurately assess the impact of malfunctions, make informed decisions about the continuation or diversion of a flight, and avoid unnecessary panic in non-critical situations, as exemplified by the Envoy 3936 and Air France A330 incidents.

What lessons can pilots learn from the Air France A330 crash?

The Air France A330 crash highlights the importance of remaining calm and analyzing a situation before reacting. The crew's misinterpretation of faulty airspeed indications, compounded by a lack of cross-checking other cues like engine noise, led to a stall and subsequent crash. This tragedy emphasizes the need for thorough training in unusual attitudes and the vital practice of winding the clock – taking a moment to assess before taking action – during emergencies.

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This chapter discusses the fatal HondaJet crash during takeoff, exploring potential causes such as gust lock failure, improper flap settings, parking brake issues, and pilot error. It also examines the aircraft's speed relative to rotation and decision speeds (Vr, V1, V2).
  • HondaJet reached 133 knots before aborted takeoff
  • Potential causes: gust lock, flap settings, brake, pilot error
  • Aircraft exceeded rotation speed (Vr) but did not rotate
  • Discussion of V1 (decision speed) and V2 (takeoff safety speed)

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Max talks first about the fatal crash of N57HP, a HondaJet, which crashed earlier this week during takeoff from Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ. The aircraft reached 133 knots on the runway, well above the rotation speed of 115 knots, before rejecting its takeoff.

Max also talked with Rob Mark about a near-miss incident at Chicago O'Hare involving Envoy Flight 3936, an Embraer 170. The incident took place on September 25th, when the aircraft was cleared to land on Runway 10 Center but mistakenly landed on Runway 10 Left instead. This misalignment was the result of multiple small errors—a classic "Swiss cheese" moment where various lapses align to create a potentially dangerous situation

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