Episode 362: Sex Questions We’ve Never Been Asked Before (Listener Questions)
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You're listening to the Sex and Psychology Podcast, the sex ed you never got in school and won't get anywhere else. I am your host, Dr. Justin Lehmiller. I am a social psychologist and research fellow at the Kinsey Institute and author of the book, Tell Me What You Want, The Science of Sexual Desire and How It Can Help You Improve Your Sex Life. In today's show, we're answering even more of your sex questions. This is going to be our fifth dive into some of the questions that have come through our listener voicemail.

I'm going to answer two of them that really stood out to me because I've never been asked them before and I think they're kind of fascinating. The first one is about what to do with old sex toys. Can you recycle them? It turns out that the answer is rather complicated. The second question comes from a sex worker who wants to be open and honest with her kids about her work, so she's looking for advice on how to have that conversation. To help me in answering these questions, Ashley Weller is back on the show.

She is a human sexuality and health psychology professor at Chapman University in Southern California. Ashley also works in mental health clinical research and has more than 15 years of experience in sex education. She also has a podcast called What's Your Position that tackles issues surrounding sexuality, relationships, life, and love from a comedic yet educational point of view.

I'm really looking forward to diving into these questions. But before we do, I just wanted to remind you that if you have questions you'd like to have answered on a future episode, you can send me a podcast voicemail of your own at speakpipe.com slash sex and psychology. You can do it from your computer or from your phone. Keep sending those questions in. This is going to be another fascinating episode. Stick around and we're going to jump in right after the break.

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Okay, Ashley, let's dive into even more listener questions. So first up, we have a question about what to do with old sex toys that you no longer want or need anymore. So let's listen in to that one.

Hi, Dr. Leigh Miller. I have a question about disposal of sex toys. I have a rechargeable vibrator that was a gift from an ex, and I don't want to keep it, but I don't know how to get rid of it in an environmentally responsible way. I was hoping you could shed some light on the situation. Thank you.

All right. I have to say that I have never been asked this question before, and I'm kind of surprised by that because I'm sure it's something other people have been curious about. It's a great question. Great job with the listener. What an excellent, like, first of all, love the green aspect of your life that you don't just want to throw things away and that you want to make sure you are a good member of Earth. So bravo to you. But yeah, Justin, what a great question.

Yeah. And I mean, my guess is that most people probably just throw their old sex toys out in the trash once they've outlived their purpose or if they're broken and probably never even gave it any thought in terms of whether there's something else they can do with it. Have you thrown a sex toy away in the trash can? I don't think so. I'm kind of a hoarder when it comes to sex toys.

I have. I'm guilty as charged. Guilty as charged. I threw one away and I did. I throw batteries away. I completely, I'm horrible. I'm a terrible person. I feel like I need to go to jail. I won't arrest you. Thank you. I won't report you either. Thank you.

I'm actually keeping all of my sex toys. I have so many of them. Like if you open any drawer in my house, you're going to find sex toys in there because I get so many as part of my line of work. What a fun surprise. What am I going to find in the spatula drawer? Not a spatula. Nope. But something I want to do eventually is I actually want to get like an old library card cabinet and I want to fill it with sex toys. And it's going to be like the Dewey Decimal system for sex toys. And I think that'll be a lot of fun. The Do It Dildo system. Oh, I love that.

The dirty Dewey decimal system. The dirty Dewey decimal system. Perfect. All right. So getting back to the question, you know, what can we do with our old sex toys? Can we recycle them? Okay. So there's a lot of information. I actually found some really cool, cool ideas for your sex toys. One of them is recycling at a typical recycling center.

One of them is sending them off to a company who will help you recycle them on their own. And another one is joining a group where you clean your sex toy and you actually sell it and somebody...

Free uses your old sex toys. So I kind of wanted to talk about all three if we can really quickly. Okay. So first and foremost, you can take your sex toys if they are made of specific materials to a recycling center. Most recycling centers, if you live near one, they don't have people there that are watching what you put in.

to the recycling bin so you don't have to be like, okay, here's my purple dildo and here's my yellow clit sucker. Make sure you take the batteries out because those get recycled at a completely different place. Make sure you're not recycling the cords. Rubber is not necessarily going to be...

easy to recycle. And then silicone doesn't break down, which makes it such a great sex toy because it doesn't break down over time and it doesn't absorb any of the bodily fluids. So silicone-based toys are a little harder to recycle. And then if you're getting really well-made glass sex toys, some of that glass can't be recycled like regular glass can. So just be aware of what type of materials your sex toys are made of.

and making sure that you are taking it to the appropriate recycling center. And then the batteries, you'll want to take those to a battery center if you're going to recycle those. Yeah, I think that's all great information. You know that whether or not you can recycle your sex toy is going to depend on what it's made out of, right? And I think it's important you can also, as a first step, just check the packaging of your toys to see if they're recyclable or not.

But yeah, it's important to recognize that even though a lot of materials that we commonly think of as being recyclable might not be recyclable when they're in sex toy form, right? Because that type of glass that's used in so many sex toys, I think it's called borosilicate, you know, it's not recyclable because it's...

it's just chemically different and it has a higher melting point. So it can't go in with other glass, right? And, you know, if you have a metal toy, you know, that's much easier to recycle if it's, you know, purely metal. But, you know, some of the other materials can get a little bit dicey. So it's not always as simple and straightforward as just like, hey, you can put this in with your cans and jars and other things like that. Milk jugs. Yeah, it's a different beast here. Yeah.

It really is. Another really great way to recycle or sustainably get rid of your sex toys, there are websites that will give you money. Actually, one is called Scarlet Girl. They're a Portland, Oregon-based company. And if you go on their website, they will give you a voucher and you fill it out and you ship your sex toys off. They just require that you clean them in bleach and

before you send them. If they open it and the package is gross or messy, they just send the box right back to you. They don't even do anything with it. But if your toys come to them clean, they actually send you $10 so that you can buy a toy on their site. There's another one called Eden Fantasies based in Georgia that also has a recycle program. This one, you have to pay them $5, but they will recycle responsibly your sex toys. And then there's also one in Australia, Normal and My Elo.

And then a Canadian company called Come As You Are, which is also a book that I really, really love that also have recycling programs available as well.

Yeah, I did a little bit of digging on this as well before the show and I was surprised at the number of companies out there that offer these sex toy recycling programs and some of them will even send you all of the materials to ship it back to them for free. Yeah. Regardless of whether you bought your toy from them originally. So yeah, definitely check out some of those companies. There are also places that, you know, you can

send your used underwear and lingerie to as well, right? There's a place I found called Underwear for Humanity that takes your old underwear and lingerie and finds a new home for it. I have a kind of taboo suggestion that I really hope does not offend any of your listeners. And it's to...

sell your used sex toy. I'm sorry. We're buying people's feet pictures and used underwear. There's a market for this. So you could do that. You could also join a social media group. There are Reddit threads where people talk about wanting to buy used sex toys because they don't want to spend $270 on the newest...

I don't want to name drop, but on the newest one and they, you know, you sell it for 50 bucks and you make a little bit of cash and somebody else gets off and that's really a win-win. And you know, for some people it's actually a kink to buy somebody else's used sex toys. Yeah. I realized that's not an option for everyone. It's not going to be within everybody's comfort zone, but it is another thing to put on the table. It's an option. Yeah. There are also a few companies I found that,

this is pretty rare, but that offer sex toy repair services. So, you know, if you're dealing with a broken toy, you could potentially explore that as an option. So instead of having to recycle it or throw it away, maybe there's an option to get it working again. But I think it is really important again to go back to how your toy is composed, like what it's made of before you can know what to do in terms of recycling or not. You know, if there's a motor or batteries in your toy, just recognize that can't be handled in the same way

is something that's like a piece of solid material, right? There's also something to be said about buying sustainable toys in the first place. Buying toys that are made of recycled products. There's a Danish company. I can't pronounce it because I don't speak Danish. And they make sex toys out of ocean-bound plastics.

So it's like a really cool way to sort of, you know, be green while also getting off. But you could really just make sure that you're making environmentally friendly choices when you are purchasing your sex toys to begin with. And then you don't have to worry as much about the recycling of them.

And I think we too as sex educators can do more to encourage companies that we work with in the sexual health and wellness space to offer recycling services so that there are more options. And this is going to become even more important because sex toy sales continue to increase, right? This is already a multi-billion dollar industry and that's great. And more and more people are exploring and experiencing the benefits and wonders of sex toys

but it's only going to keep growing from here and that's necessarily going to create more and more waste because you're going to have more toys that break or that people no longer use and we have to find responsible ways of dealing with them. And right now it seems kind of shockingly hard in some respects to recycle toys

And a lot of companies don't seem interested in this because they can't find an economically viable way to do it. So we need to start thinking about how to make those greener toys and how we can more efficiently recycle them.

Yeah. I really love those two websites that I talked about a little earlier, the Eden fantasies and Scarlet girl. I really want to look into those more and see how, how I can be, like you said, as a sex educator, more of a support system for places like that. Cause what an amazing service to offer. Yeah. You know,

You know, and one other option I thought of in terms of what you can do with your old toys is to turn it into an art project. I was going to say that too. Or decorate with it. So, you know, I actually have some colleagues who take all their old sex toys and every year around the holidays, they have like a sex toy Christmas tree. And, you know, that can be a fun thing to do with it. So I have sex toys like all around my home. I decorate with some of them because some of them actually look like works of art themselves. Yeah.

Yeah, there's so many creative ways, especially if you are a creative person, to put it to good use after it's already been of good use to you. There's many ways to recycle these and to make sure that they don't just end up in landfills. And they can be a great conversation starter or icebreaker. Oh, yeah. Have them sitting around. What an interesting vase you have. Thanks, Grandma. It's a dildo.

All right, Ashley, let's move on to the next question, which is from a sex worker who wants to know how to talk to their kids about sex. Let's listen in.

My question has to do with how sex workers can talk to their children about what they do for work and I guess privacy. My husband and I both work in the adult entertainment industry. He occasionally appears in films. I do all of the time. We have three young children and we

You know, we are very sex positive and we find it very empowering. And, you know, we're also very careful, but we are out there in a very big and public way. And at some point, I'm sure their friends or someone will find out and tell them. I would like them not to find out from their friends, but I'm not 100% sure how to talk to them.

my children about the fact that I do porn. And also, I don't want them to find out and then be curious and go looking. I don't really have a problem with them using porn at some point in their lives, but how do I set boundaries or teach them it's not appropriate to watch your mom and dad?

because that feels weird. But also just being really mindful that they might experience discrimination in school or with friends. And yeah, I guess just like how to talk to them about it because they definitely don't understand what we do. Now we have two six-year-olds and an eight-year-old. And with the rise of OnlyFans, there are so many...

parents who now do porn and have access, have explicit material on the internet, some in a very small way, some in a very large way. And while I do a lot to keep my content protected and only posted in the places that it should be, and I pay a company a lot of money every month to take down pirated content,

stuff. They're not successful at removing it from all sites. So some of the sites that my content is on are

does not regulate per age. It's not behind a paywall. It's just out there. But yeah, I just think it's something that's very like relevant. There's a lot of children who are growing up now who have parents who've done explicit work and it's out there on the internet. And I think with OnlyFans becoming so popular, you know, four years ago, it's something that is going to be a more common problem.

Or even if like, how do you talk to your kids when like one of your friends, like one of their friends' parents...

has an OnlyFans and they have content out there. Anyway, I just think it's a relevant topic and I would appreciate an answer because it's something that I think about a lot and people have asked me like, oh my gosh, what will happen to your kids later? And I'm like, well, I would hope that I'm raising strong sex positive children, but no one's immune to bullying or curiosity and

I just want to make that experience as positive as possible for them. And I would really appreciate if you could tackle that topic in a thoughtful way. Thank you.

Alright, I must admit, this is a challenging question and another one that I've never been asked before, but I think it's an issue that probably comes up a lot. And before the show, I did a little bit of research and I found some interesting stats. So specifically in one study, it found that 90% of female sex workers have children, which suggests that the intersection between sex work and parenthood is not that uncommon.

And also, this research found that many sex workers actually perceive that being in that line of work is beneficial in some ways when it comes to parenting, right? Because they have flexible work hours and more economic independence.

But at the same time, they also report a number of challenges between sex work and parenting, including the fact that there's stigma. There is the fear of having your kids taken away by child protective services. There's a lack of social support and barriers to accessing social services. So, you know, it's kind of a mixed bag in terms of, you know, in general, the intersection there between sex work and parenting. But getting back to the listener question, let's break it down into a couple of parts.

So first, should you tell your kids that you're in the sex work industry? I mean, in this era where most porn is digital and there's growing facial recognition technology, it's going to become increasingly hard to stay anonymous as a sex worker. And there's a good chance that if you work in this area, that your family and friends and other people in your life are going to find out that that's the kind of work that you do. So should you tell them? And if so, at what age do you tell them about this?

So I was really worried that you were going to ask this question. So I, I am speaking from a place of privilege. I'm going to answer this question having never worked in the sex industry and I don't have kids.

I, as a sex educator, think that parents should talk to their children about sex, their body's anatomy from the time they start asking, which is usually when they recognize that they look different, right, from their friends or from their siblings or from their parents even.

Having conversations that are open and honest with your children about their bodies and about sexuality in an age-appropriate way, I personally think is imperative to being a well-rounded individual and human being later in life. And I also think it is a much better place to come from as a parent. You will become a much more safe environment for that child. They can ask you questions.

I actually think that individuals who work in the sex industry have a leg up on parents who do not when it comes to talking to them about things like consent, about things like ethical porn, about things like pleasure and body autonomy. They are so much more well-versed in these areas than your average mom in Ohio is.

I think that the answer I would give if somebody just asked me to answer the question, I would say, yes, you should tell your child the work that you do. And I've read a couple of stories from some individuals in sex work who said, sometimes it depends on how old their children are, but they'll phrase it as in, I help people have a good time or I help people feel better.

or I take care of people's needs sometimes. And wording it in a way that isn't a lie, but also doesn't elicit extra questions at a certain age

Now, the average age of adolescents viewing porn for the first time, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, so when their friends are showing it to them or they stumble upon it, is 11 in the United States. And it just goes down every year. The average age just continues to go down. So, yeah, the likelihood of them or someone they know

finding your work, or if you are someone who is a stripper, an exotic dancer, someone who does escort work, it just may come up in another way. And I think that it's much better when you are honest with your children and it's a much better conversation to come at it ahead of it than to have to come from behind.

So I would say that if a child ever says, you know, mommy, what do you do? And they're not old enough to have the sex talk yet. And that's something that you as a parent have to kind of gauge. You can always just tell them what you do in very layman's terms. Mommy helps people feel better. And your kid could tell someone that and their classmates could think you're a nurse. I mean, it...

whatever. But I think when your children start to begin to explore sexuality and start to explore pornography and the world of online sex, it's going to be very important that you are upfront and honest. So I would say probably between the ages of 11 and 15, depending on your child's emotional maturity and depending on the questions that they're asking you.

Yeah, it's a very tough question to answer for sure. And, you know, I too wasn't really able to find much in the way of research on how, like, sex workers navigate this. So, you know, most of what I found comes from anecdotal reports of sex workers themselves.

And it suggests that different people take different approaches. You know, some of them don't want their kids to ever know and they lie about their job or they have a secondary job that they claim is their only job. But others say that they have told their kids or that they want to tell their kids at some point.

And it's interesting because either way, the rationale that I hear is usually about protecting their kids. So they're either protecting them by not sharing the information because they don't want to put their kids in an awkward position or make them feel uncomfortable, or they're protecting them by sharing the information so that they're getting the info from their parents instead of from a secondary source where that might be traumatizing.

So, you know, there's definitely like no one size fits all answer here. You know, you have to do what seems right for you and your family and your circumstances.

I just sort of feel like what you just said is exactly the reason that so many people don't have sex education because some parents don't want to talk about it because they think if they don't talk about it, the kid will be protected and they'll never have to learn it. But the kid's going to learn it somewhere. And then the parents that do talk to their kids about sex, those kids tend to have a better view on sex. I would think as a sex worker, you would want your child to have a good outlook on sex.

on what it means to work in the sex industry and how to treat people who work in that industry. And I am just really of the mindset that the more information and knowledge you're able to share with your children, the more respect they're going to have for you and the more they're going to trust you. And you should be their source of information, especially when it comes to their bodies and how they treat other people and how to be a citizen of this society that we live in. And

I don't really know if keeping it from them is actually protecting them. Yeah, you know, and this is also related to all the discussions that we have about parenting and porn use. You know, there are so many parents who just do not want to ever bring up the subject of porn with their kids because they're afraid that somehow that's going to encourage them.

the behavior. And, you know, there are some sex workers who don't want to talk to their kids about this work because they don't want their kids to go into that industry. You know, I've spoken to many sex workers who say that they would never want their kids to be a sex worker. Others who would be happy if their kids were sex workers. You know, it's sex workers' experiences are all over the board in terms of what the nature of those experiences are. But yeah, it's this thing where you've got a lot of parents who just don't want to broach the subject at all. And, you

oftentimes that ends up doing more harm than good, as you said, because they're going to get the information somewhere else. And oftentimes that somewhere else is not as good a quality source of information. Yeah, not accurate. Yeah, for sure.

So, you know, in having these conversations, if you decide that you wanted to tell your kid that you work in sex work in some way, obviously it needs to be age appropriate. And there are lots of different ways that people might frame this or approach it. So, you know, in some of the stories that I've heard from sex workers who have had these conversations, some of them use it as an opportunity to instill other life lessons. So, yeah.

you know, talking about sex work and then also using it as a way of teaching things like porn literacy and respect for women. Some also use it as a way of teaching their kids to make informed decisions. So by talking about both the good and bad aspects of their work.

And some also use it as a way of teaching their kids about just sex and human connection more broadly, as well as topics like consent and how that works. And so, you know, to the extent that you're able to connect it with some of these other sorts of things, you know, that might make it a more manageable type of conversation and also something where you're imparting a lot of important information that's going to be helpful for them in navigating their own sexual and romantic life in the future.

Something else, you know, that might also be valuable is seeking support from other sex workers who are parents. You know, how did they navigate this? And what can you learn from them? You know, something that I hear over and over from sex workers is that having other sex workers, like having a community of them that they can lean on and get support from is super important in a lot of ways. And, you know, can also be very helpful in terms of learning how to navigate things like parenting and family issues.

Well, with the statistics that 90% of sex workers have children, you would think there would be forums somewhere. I couldn't find them because I tried. But if you work in, let's say, for example, an escort service or perhaps an exotic dance club, there's got to be somebody else there who has children. You could have an outside group come together to discuss, you know, issues that you're having with your kids.

And then I really feel like it's difficult for these parents to navigate this through the means of a therapist because talking about sex work and talking about working in the sex industry can be a very difficult

limiting and difficult piece of yourself to divulge. And you can feel very judged, but finding a therapist or somebody who is well-versed in sex work or the sex industry or a human sexuality based therapist could be another really great tool that these individuals can utilize to

There's also with COVID, the rise of OnlyFans is astronomical. And so many people with kids and without started OnlyFans during COVID. And

I bet there is some sort of OnlyFans Reddit type forum that could be linked or located where you could connect with parents who maybe aren't in the same industry as you, but could necessarily have had experience in doing that. And then there's also these anecdotal stories that we have found on the internet as well.

Yeah, you know, the rise of OnlyFans and other camming sites, I think in the future is fundamentally going to change some of the stigma around sex work because so many people are working in this industry and...

have families and they're raising children. And that's going to have to change and shift our perceptions as a society of sex workers, and hopefully in a way that makes people more empathetic, right? And where the stigma is reduced, because stigma by far is the biggest challenge that you hear that sex workers encounter, no matter what

part of the sex work industry that they work in. So it might be that in the future, having these conversations might become a little bit easier as some of that stigma around sex work lessens, but it's still hard to do in part just because there is so much of that stigma. And I think for people who are thinking about this in their own life,

You know, if it's something that you choose to be open about or choose not to be open about, I think it's important to consider the risk-reward analysis in both situations just so that you know what you're getting yourself into and that you've thought through your options, right? So on the one hand, for example, it might help your kid to grow up to have more empathy and understanding for sex workers. And they'll also be more prepared in the event that someone confronts them about your job, right?

But on the other hand, it's possible that by not telling them, somebody else will beat you to the punch. And how is that situation going to go, right? So, you know, there can be value in sort of modeling the different scenarios. Like, would it be better for them to hear this information coming directly from you or to have it come from one of their classmates? Because there's all different kinds of ways. Their friend's dad.

Right. I mean, you can't control the conversations that your children have outside of your presence. So they go to their friend's house and their friend, they're 15 years old and their friend's dad is like, oh, I saw your mommy. I mean, you can't control what people are going to say to your kid, but you can control conversation.

What they know before they go into that situation and how they're able to handle what comes at them and and knowing that, you know, working in the sex industry, if it is something that was a choice that you have have made and it isn't in every case. So I want to make that distinction. There is definitely individuals who've worked in sex and in the sex industry who it was not their choice.

But if camming to make money during COVID was something you chose to do, these are things you're going to have to think about. We need to be grownups and we need to take accountability for the things that we're doing. And if selling videos of your feet or degrading people's penis sizes is providing income so your child can go to private school, wonderful.

But you also have to remember that any choice you make as a parent, whether it's to be a cam girl or to have a Lexus or if it's to curse in front of your children or if it's to smoke weed when your kids go to bed, you're making choices that you're going to have to be accountable for at some point. So start doing your research. Yeah.

Also, in terms of thinking through all of this as well, you know, there is also a potential risk that if you tell your children about what you do, that they might tell other people. And it's also possible that they might not be cool with it and might not have the reaction that you're hoping for or expecting because unfortunately our kids

don't always respond in the ways that we want them to when we share important information with them. So yeah, I mean, it's just one of those tough situations, but I think it's helpful to think this through carefully with the potential risks and rewards, model the different scenarios and, you know, do what feels right for you.

I find it to be so frustrating and extremely unfair to the different categories of jobs that an individual can have in the sex industry, from camming to exotic dancing to escorting and the various ways that our society would look at that. You know, like you said, camming is becoming so much more commonplace.

if a 21-year-old college student learned that her mom sold feet pictures on the internet, would that 21-year-old college student really be that affected by it? Whereas if a 15-year-old learned that his mother was an escort, as a society, that child might be taken away from that person. And whereas if the mom's a stripper...

an exotic dancer, a go-go dancer, a topless dancer. We're not taking these children away, but then there are those horrible instances where custody battles take place. And, you know, if there's enough evidence, I've read tons of stories about how very disgruntled, very ugly divorces have gone through and using the work of the sex worker as a means to get the children taken away, using their job as a weapon,

almost. And so I can understand these different levels that these different acceptabilities that we place on people. You know, I sell pictures of my feet. Oh, well, you're not as bad as so-and-so because they are a BDSM dominatrix. And it's like we give different weight to different classes of sex work. And so it definitely is going to be a subjective conversation.

Yeah, it's something we've talked about before on the show is the the horarchy. And basically, you know, this idea that sex workers are kind of judged very differently depending on what specific line of work is and how they're selling sex and the amount of stigma that they experience and legal and other implications, you know, is all very, very different.

So, you know, again, not a one size fits all answer here because sex work doesn't mean just one thing. And what somebody who is, say, an OnlyFans model decides to do in terms of disclosing that information to their kids might be a very different situation compared to somebody who works as an escort or as a stripper. And, you know, you also have to think through whether there are any potential legal or other ramifications of sharing this information and what would happen if your kid...

told other people this information and told somebody at school about it, you know, what are the potential implications there? So yeah, lots and lots of things to think about here. But for more information and resources, I found an episode of a podcast called the Peep Show Podcast.

And I believe it's episode 49 of that show. And it features an interview with a couple of sex workers who are also parents and raising their kids in a community with other sex workers who are parents. So for more inside information and words from sex workers themselves, I would urge you to check out that episode. Well, thanks for being here, Ashley, and for helping me to answer all these listener questions. For more information on you and what you do and where people can find out about your work, where can they go?

Well, we just got a new website, so I'm super excited. It's just our handle, whatsyourpositionpodcast.com. You can find links to our merchandise. You can find links to our affiliate sponsors. You can find links to all of our episodes. You can also find us on Instagram at whatsyourpositionpodcast. I love chatting with people. So if you ever want to DM me, I'm happy to respond. I actually had somebody tell me the other day that you and me are their favorite podcast

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