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The Ugly Stepsister Problem: The Issue With Entitled Women

2024/11/28
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Conor Veeden: 本期节目探讨了现代约会中一个常见的问题——“丑陋继姐妹”问题,并用灰姑娘的故事来阐述。节目认为,许多女性被灌输了一种错误的观念,即男性应该无条件地接受她们,无论她们的性格如何。这种观念导致一些女性缺乏自我反省,过度自以为是,并且缺乏基本的道德和价值观。然而,男性真正渴望的是像灰姑娘那样的女性:谦逊、善良、有良好价值观和养育能力。灰姑娘即使受到虐待,也保持谦逊、善良和宽容,这与丑陋继姐妹形成鲜明对比。白马王子代表着女性理想中的完美男性形象,他选择灰姑娘是因为她的品格,而非外表。邪恶后母象征着现代社会中某些有害的女性叙事,例如“永远不要将就”等观念,这些观念阻碍了女性的自我提升,也让男性难以找到理想的伴侣。节目最后总结,男人真正寻找的是谦逊、善良、不抱有过度期望的女性,这与“纯洁”无关。现代文化中的一些叙事助长了“丑陋继姐妹”的出现,导致男性难以找到真正值得敬佩和尊重的女性。 Conor Veeden: 节目以灰姑娘童话故事为切入点,分析了现代约会中男性普遍遇到的问题。节目指出,许多女性受社会某些叙事的影响,变得过度自负和缺乏自我反省,认为男性应该无条件地接受她们,即使她们的性格存在缺陷。这种“丑陋继姐妹”的形象与男性理想中的女性形象——像灰姑娘一样善良、谦逊、有良好价值观的女性——形成了鲜明对比。节目认为,男性看重的是女性的品格,而非仅仅是外表或社会地位。王子选择灰姑娘,正是因为她善良、宽容、不抱怨,即使在逆境中也能保持积极的心态。邪恶后母则象征着那些在社会上传播错误价值观,导致女性缺乏自我反省和提升的人。节目呼吁女性应该保持谦逊,不抱有过度期望,并注重自身品格的提升,才能找到真正合适的伴侣。

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Why is the Cinderella story used as a lens to discuss modern dating issues?

Myths and fairy tales, like Cinderella, contain symbolic truths about human relationships and societal expectations. They simplify complex ideas, making them easier to understand and discuss.

What is the 'ugly stepsister problem' in modern dating?

It refers to women who exhibit entitled, overbearing, and morally untethered behavior, expecting to be chosen by men despite lacking the character qualities that men typically desire.

How does the wicked stepmother symbolize modern societal narratives?

She represents the societal influences, including certain aspects of feminism and social media narratives, that promote unrealistic expectations and entitlement in women, hindering their self-reflection and growth.

What qualities do men typically desire in women, according to the Cinderella archetype?

Men seek women who are kind, nurturing, humble, and grounded in their character, rather than those who are entitled or overly demanding.

How does Prince Charming represent the ideal man for women?

He embodies the perfect archetype of a man with status, kindness, and groundedness, fulfilling the ideal characteristics that the feminine psyche seeks in a partner.

Why do the ugly stepsisters fail to attract Prince Charming?

They are repellent due to their insecure, entitled, and pride-filled behavior, which contrasts sharply with Cinderella's humility and kindness.

What societal disconnect does the fairy tale highlight in modern dating?

It reveals a disconnect where societal narratives promote entitlement and unrealistic expectations in women, leading to a lack of self-reflection and character growth.

What is the core element men seek in women, according to the speaker?

Men desire women who maintain humility, kindness, and nurturing qualities, avoiding the pitfalls of hyper-entitlement and insecurity.

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This chapter introduces the concept of the "ugly stepsister problem" in modern dating, using the fairy tale of Cinderella as a lens. It highlights how entitled women, similar to Cinderella's stepsisters, expect to be chosen despite lacking moral character or values. The chapter sets the stage for exploring the deeper symbolism within the story.
  • Modern dating challenges are compared to the Cinderella fairytale.
  • Entitled women are likened to Cinderella's stepsisters.
  • The concept of the "ugly stepsister problem" is introduced.

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All right, men, welcome back to the Man Talk Show. I am Conor Veeden, and today we're going to be talking about what I have dubbed the ugly stepsister problem, one of the main issues with modern dating and one of the things that you as a man should absolutely steer clear from. Now, for the sake of this, I'm going to be using a fairy tale or a myth to

to sort of portray what I am talking about, largely because sometimes in myth and fairy tale, they hold these tremendous truths about us as men or women, what we want from relationships, truths about fundamental reality that are much larger than we can put into a single sentence. And they're baked into stories. I like to think of myths oftentimes as a zip file that you can double click on and it'll open up a huge data packet that has

helps you to understand something that maybe wasn't so clear before. So let's look at Cinderella as an example. Cinderella has ugly stepsisters, but Cinderella is the embodiment of the princess. She is the embodiment of the woman that men really want and desire, even though she is not a actual princess on paper. Cinderella is humble. She has good values. She is nurturing. She

She is kind. She's not a noble. She's not born into anything that's necessarily special. She is a common girl with an extraordinarily good heart. And while her ugly stepsisters, not necessarily ugly in looks or ugly in

their physical body, but actually ugly in character and personality, are very, very different. You see, Cinderella's stepsisters are the embodiment of the entitled woman. They are overbearing. They are indignant. They are deeply entitled to what they should have access to within men and dating. And they act largely without any kind of tether to morals, ethics, or values in

Yet, the ugly stepsisters expect to be chosen by the prince. Now, this is one of the major challenges that modern men are facing, both within the dating world and within long-term relationships.

that there's a bit of an ugly stepsister problem. Again, it's not that women are not attractive. It's that they have been sold a bill of goods from the wicked stepmother. So enter in the symbol of the wicked stepmother. In the story of Cinderella, the wicked stepmother is sort of the puppeteer, if you will, of this whole situation, right? So

Cinderella's mom dies. Her father remarries this woman who is incredibly mean to Cinderella behind the scenes. She only has the best interests of her daughters in mind. She wants to advance them from a societal standpoint and a social standpoint and put them ahead.

And the biggest thing is that she has sort of indoctrinated these girls, these women, her daughters, into a mindset that is brutally unhelpful for them to actually get ahead. And the story of the wicked stepmother in today's society can draw parallels to certain narratives within modern society. So in modern society and times,

There are some aspects of feminism, there are wounded mothers, and other women on social media that are continuing to push a narrative to women that says, never ever settle. He should just love you no matter what. You should be able to do and say whatever it is that you want, and he should have to deal with it and figure it out. He should have to man up, blah, blah, blah, blah. Don't ever lower your expectations or

regardless of whether or not they are connected to any type of reality. And this causes a kind of psychological vacuum where the ugly stepsisters never have to self-reflect.

They never have to look at whether or not there is something within them that is causing them to not get the results that they want with men. The other thing about the ugly stepsisters in the story is that they are the embodiment of a deeply insecure woman.

pride-filled feminine energy. So you can kind of think of this as like the shadow of the feminine. The shadow of the masculine is tyrannical, abuse of power, hyper-dominant, rigid, unwavering, unlistening, whereas the shadow of the feminine is this sort of insecure, pride-filled, overly entitled, overly expecting. And the ugly stepsisters really embody that. But the truth is that

men, specifically the prince, want the archetype of Cinderella, not because she's more beautiful physically. Of course, that can play a role in real life. That can play a big role in the Disney movie, maybe less so, but it can play her role in real life. But they desire Cinderella because she is more beautiful in character. And this is the big contrast between

that a lot of modern society misses out on. The fairy tale does a really good job of laying it out. You see the ugly stepsisters mistreating Cinderella, you know, setting her on all these errands, putting her down verbally, sort of castigating her and treating her in a way that is significantly less than them.

And she sort of, you know, grins and bears it. She kind of goes through the motions, but she doesn't become jaded and bitter. She doesn't become jaded and bitter towards her father for putting her in this situation. She doesn't become spiteful and hateful towards her ugly stepsisters.

Obviously, she's got some animosity with the stepmother, but it doesn't cause her to react in such a way where she tries to dismantle them or attack them or take them down. She has the humility and the grace of a kind of commonplace femininity to not expect that she's entitled to more than what she has.

And this is what plays in with the prince, right? She makes this big wish. She goes to this big ball. She's not expecting or trying to go and win Prince Charming, who, by the way, let's pause on Prince Charming. Prince Charming is the archetype of the ideal man for the feminine psyche, right? He has status. He is sort of out of reach. He's in the castle far, far away. He's good looking. He's

right? His name is Prince Charming, right? He's got all of the kind of elements and characteristics. He's kind. He's grounded. He's not a warmongering prince. He's not portrayed as that. He's not portrayed as this monster. He is, in some ways, the representation of the sort of quote-unquote perfect archetype of a man who has all of the elements of what the feminine psyche would normally look for.

Now, obviously, this fairy tale plays out and Prince Charming falls in love with Cinderella and not the ugly stepsisters. And when you read the book or you watch the movie, what you see is that when Prince Charming has the interaction with the ugly stepsisters, he's kind of repulsed. Again, not because of their looks, but because of the quality of their character.

Again, the prince sort of embodies a man who has the intelligence to see through and has the ability to see through the character of people, to see past the beauty, to see past

the class level of the woman. And this is a representation of how many men don't really care about the status or the class of a woman. They are interested in whether she is classy, not necessarily of her class in life, society, the economy, etc. And there's a kind of expectation that the ugly stepsisters have that they bring into the interaction. There's a neediness. They're trying to get the prince. They're

There's this deep hidden insecurity that's embedded into their actions and their behaviors, sort of clawing to get attention from him. And the wicked mother, this is the very interesting part, the wicked stepmother hides Cinderella away. She does everything in her power in the fairy tale to take Cinderella out of the equation because she knows that

somewhere in her mind and psyche that Cinderella is more desirable to men than her own daughters, but she does not want to admit it. And this is the big disconnection that we see in modern dating. The big disconnection is that there are many narratives and many people that are continuing to push this story

of men should just accept you as you are, regardless of how ugly your character is. Men should just love you, right? If you don't love me at my worst, you don't get me at my best, right? And it's like, well, sometimes your worst is abusive and nobody should actually put up with that. But that's kind of glossed over. And so the fairy tale does a very good job of showing, and the myth does a very good job of showing how the wicked stepmother, which again is society,

these sort of commonplace narratives, the stuff that you see on social media, is trying to keep the truth away from the ideal man and trying to keep the truth of what men actually want, which is the kind, caring, nurturing woman who isn't coming from this hyper-entitled place. And the last thing I'll say is that the stepsisters kind of push the prince away

because of this combination of deep entitlement and the fighting and the kind of expectation that they should be the ones that are chosen despite their clear sort of like lack in being not I don't want to say valuable but their their clear lack of character that causes them to be diminished in the prince's eyes and so

Cinderella in this story is the real archetype of the princess, regardless of her social status, regardless of her nobility, regardless of the clothes she wears. And that's the truth in every fairy tale. The real princess is not ever the one that's born into nobility. Sometimes it is just for the sake of the story. It's not the one that's born into this like perfect body or this perfect situation, uh,

or the one that's entitled to have the prince. The real princess is the woman who knows her worth and value come from a deep, unwavering connection to her character.

to her sense of kindness and compassion and nurturing. And it's not a purity test. I can already hear the comments be like, oh, this is, man, I'm just looking for purity, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no, no. It's not a purity test. It is a, can you stay connected to your own level of humility and humbleness, regardless of how beautiful you are? Can you stay connected to a level of humility and humbleness

regardless of how much you might actually bring a man in relationship. Can you maintain that humbleness and not get caught in the feminine shadow of hyper-expectation and hyper-entitlement? And so that's what men are really looking for. And I think when I look at the conversation around modern dating and so many of the gripes that I see that men have,

with women or with modern dating, what they're really talking about is they feel like they're inundated with ugly stepsisters and that there's a lack of Cinderella's. And in part, that's because modern culture and society is perpetuating the narratives that lead to the birth of the ugly stepsisters.

Again, regardless of actual physical beauty, et cetera, but leads this sort of degradation and the degrading of a woman's character, of her connection to her own values, of her connection to her own sense of morals and ethics. And that is a huge part of what men, in my opinion, and you guys can tell me if I am on the money or not in the comments, but for the most part, men want to be with women that they have a certain level of reverence for.

that they have a certain level of admiration for, that they have a certain level of respect for. And Cinderella really embodies that because she could be somebody who is deeply insecure, deeply self-loathing, disconnected from her self-worth, but she could also be somebody who is incredibly bitter and angry and resentful towards men, towards women, but she's not.

She's maintained a level of grace and nurturing and kindness for the people that are around her. And that is one of the core elements that I think many men are looking for. And again, guys, you can tell me if I'm hitting this right or not and your own words, but I think that's one of the core elements that a lot of men are looking for within the modern dating and marketplace. So

Share your thoughts below. As always, don't forget to man it forward. And until next week, this is Conor Beaton signing off.