Keegan Bradley, for now, wants to be 'just the captain.' But should he?
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Rex, you've been doing Golf Central all week. I've been doing Golf Today all week. I feel very prepared to talk about whatever it is we want to talk about, about the comings and goings of the PG Tour, Live Golf, LPGA, whatever it is you want to dive into. Am I going to get recycle takes? Is that what's going to happen here? We always talk about this. When you're on air for a prolonged amount of time, you just start workshopping new stuff, and then you just roll it over. Whatever the next show is, just roll it over. There was a podcast promo that I had to do in the second hour, and I had to do it in

Where I was like, oh, wait, I'll be taping that right after we do golf today. And so during the show today, we had a Ricky Fowler presser. We had a Colin Morikawa presser. More on that in a little bit. But we also had Rex, a Keegan Bradley presser. Keegan Bradley, of course, the U.S. Ryder Cup captain who is fresh off a victory at the Travelers Championship that seemingly has changed everything.

Because most importantly, he went from 17th in the U.S. Ryder Cup point standings all the way to 9th. He was not asked directly in his press conference about, you know, with a couple of days of reflection, how do you feel now about the potential prospect of playing on your own team? However...

He did have an interview with golf channels, Amy Rogers on the broadcast when he said, as of right now, I'm still planning on being quote, just the captain. If he has settled on that sort of mindset and that, that mentality for the remaining couple of months of this PG tour season, what would be your take on that? Um,

I think he's probably saying the right thing in that situation. If I'm being honest on golf central last night, talked about just rekindling some hot takes. I came to the conclusion and I think it's fair at this point. And it's based on a point that you made on Sunday night and I hate giving you credit, but as much as I'd

I hate giving you credit. I will on this front that it is not about what Keegan thinks is necessarily best for the team, even as the captain. This is going to be about what the players think is best for the team. And my guess is strongly that Scotty Scheffler and Kalamura Kawa and the rest of the players are pretty much already qualified for this year's team. Look around the landscape, not to take anything away from anyone else.

and look at Keegan and realize he's best for the team. He's best as a player, not a captain. And I will go back to the other recycle tag that I've done. I don't think he can do both. Maybe he can. Maybe there's a way you can piecemeal this together with the vice captains. That's a different conversation. But I think we're at the point now where,

where he could easily win again, but even if he doesn't, I don't imagine how the players around him, the ones that normally have so much say in the decision, the ones who qualify for the team, they think to themselves that, nah, we can be fine without Keegan Bradley. Because right now, I don't think that anyone can make the argument that he's not one of the best 12 Americans. I mean, he's not even one of the best 12 Americans. He's one of the best five Americans.

That according to Data Golf, who has ran the numbers all the way up to a career best seventh in the world. Again, it is incredible, remarkable sort of credit to his tenacity, his skill, his concentration, his focus. And he's even put himself in position to potentially be playing golf. Like it's amazing how he's been able to compartmentalize these two aspects of his life. You mentioned what the players want. As we sit here on June 25th, it's pretty clear that the sound that we ran, the players do want him.

On that team, Patrick Kentley said, look, we saw Tiger Woods do it. He handled it quite ably. King Bradley could probably do the same thing. Different animal. We talked about that on Sunday. Kyle Morikawa said, yeah, we, I think we absolutely want him on the team right now. One of his assistant captains, Webb Simpson said as much like, Hey, we need him on the American team. The reason why I would still stress caution and patience and sort of the want and need to pump the brakes here is

is that there are three months left until we get to the Ryder Cup. And there are four consequential tournaments left in this golf calendar until we get to that point. There's the Open Championship, and there are the three FedExCup playoff events. Keegan Bradley is 9th.

in the point standings. Keep in mind, two years ago, when he won the Travelers Championship, he moved inside the top six and he would have been an automatic qualifier. Didn't do much for the rest of the season. Ended up sliding all the way to 11th. This is an entirely different animal. And so if Keegan Bradley does not play well in those four consequential tournaments, he's going to be

Keep in mind, he has never played well at the Open Championship, probably owing to his highball flight. He's never played TBC Southwind, host site of the FedEx St. Jude Championship, particularly well either. If he does not play well in those four consequential events, he's going to slide down the rankings, probably thinking that an Andrew Novak or a Maverick McNeely or a Cameron Young, who's been trending nicely, could certainly win this week at the Rocket Classic. Those players could leapfrog him and make this a moot point.

If Keegan Bradley is all of a sudden 11th, 12th, 13th in the point standings, I think you could make the case that he would probably be more replaceable as a player. If he sits here at ninth, if he moves up in the standings, I think it's an entirely different conversation. But I think Keegan has done the right thing in sort of stressing patience. There's a long way to go and a lot of golf still to be played.

There really is. But again, I go back to the idea that this didn't come out of nowhere. Maybe you can make the argument late last year that that almost felt like it came out of nowhere. Although I think he was playing solid going into that victory as well. This time he's been playing well. He played well at the U.S. Open. He played well at the PGA Championship. I can imagine it is not a stretch to think that maybe he notches one more victory before all is said and done. And it becomes the argument that I had last night on Golf Central. And you're right.

Maybe I'm being a bit of a prisoner of the moment on this front. However, this now seems like a logistics question.

Like in my mind, the question of him playing or not playing isn't even a conversation anymore. This is about how do you make it work? Fine. You want to call him the playing captain? Okay. But there has to be some sort of logistics. There has to be some sort of administration of how these decisions are going to get made in real time while he's in the middle of a match. Who's going to make those decisions? Which one of the vice captains steps up? How much say is he actually going to have in golf course setup? How much say is he going to have and who else gets picked? How much say is he going to have in pairings?

So right now we're at the point where he, I think you need to start sitting down with the PG of America and the team that you know is going to be on. I mean, the players, you know, are going to be on that team and come up with exactly what that blueprint is going to look like. I think it's interesting because I think you can do it.

Where John Wood, the new U.S. team manager, can assume a lot of the administrative duties sort of in the run up. And he's certainly, you know, he's been bearing that burden for the past couple of months. I think you can hand over the majority of sort of the on-site duties to a Jim Furyk who's been there before. He's captained it. He's in the backroom staff now. He just kept the President's Cup.

a year ago i think you can have you know a webb simpson a kevin kisner uh snedeker sort of um getting into a situation where he also uh you want to take a second to fix that and i'll fill about your way you know he's also he's also a visual medium you may want to he's also taking on added responsibility so i do think it can be done i think the question though rex is why

why would you do it just for the sake of history, just for the sake of legacy, just for the fact that you can say that Keegan Bradley is the first playing captain since 1963. That's not a reason to do it because if Keegan Bradley is only going to play two or three times, you can find, you know, a host of other players, a half dozen other players who can do that, who can get you a point and a half if you're going to play two or three times and

I would rather have someone who is wholly in. Yes, I absolutely full of confidence about that, that a Ben Griffin, if you tee it up and you give him three matches, he could squeeze out a point and a half at home. If you particularly, if you put them with what the analytics analytics team says is a good partner. I have no problem with that whatsoever. It's why would you divide someone's attention and focus intentionally on

When it just, it just seems like an unnecessary risk to me, either do one or do the other, but doing both and doing so sort of half-heartedly doesn't make any sense.

Well, I think we're saying the same thing, essentially. Please go turn your light back on. You look ridiculous. It looks like you're being held against your will. So I'll go ahead and gas bag just long enough for you to do this. I think we're both saying essentially the same thing. We're just maybe saying it in a little different ways, because what I'm arguing here is that I think it's at the point now. And you're right. There is still plenty of golf to be played even over the next six, seven, eight weeks before we get to the point where selections have to be made.

right now in this moment in time i would argue that you're right he's not one of the 12 best americans he wanted he's one of the six best americans right now as we sit here on june 25th again major championship who do you want on that team and i'm not i'm not going to disparage ben griffin or anyone else that's sort of on the outside right now because that's what i'm gonna do tonight on central if i had to build a team right now who would be the picks and i would put ben griffin on that team oh

However, when it comes to Keegan Bradley, he clinched the point last year at the President's Cup. I know it's a different animal, but you see the passion that he has. When he has played in the Ryder Cup before a decade ago, alongside Phil Mickelson, you saw the passion and what he brought to it. He is essentially the American side's Ian Poulter when Ian Poulter was still Ian Poulter. So I would argue as it stands right now, he is much more beneficial to that team as a player. And that could certainly change. If that's going to be the case, though,

I'm speaking more just from an administrative standpoint, from the logistics point of view, where if you're in the back office right now, we need to start...

thinking about exactly what these protocols are going to look like. When Keegan is in the middle of a match on Saturday afternoon, and we need to come up with the pairings for the Saturday, or I'm sorry, Saturday morning, and we need to come up with the pairings for Saturday afternoon's matches, who's going to lead that way? Because you're right. He can't be distracted. You can't walk out in the 13th fairway and show him the card and ask him, you go with us? Like, this is what we're going with. Like, that, I don't think, is an option that you can pull off. And so someone is going to have to take the baton, and they do this anyway. Or does Keegan just only play in the afternoons?

I guess that would be one way to do it. I don't necessarily think as a captain you would want to shoehorn yourself, though, saying that, oh, this guy could only play in the afternoons because of something that has to do. He's probably only going to play in four balls anyway, if history is any indication. Probably, probably. I would say that they do this anyway. Like you allow vice captains to give advice on par threes, for example.

And you just pass it along. And there's a referee kind of in the middle that understands that someone else has the baton. Now he can go give advice. And Keegan Bradley has given that right up. It would be something similar to that would be my guess, whether that's Brent Steadicor or Webb Simpson or whoever else is in the back office.

But I keep coming back to the idea that the modern Ryder Cup, and I understand what Patrick Cantlay was saying about Tiger Woods at the President's Cup. That is an entirely different animal. It was a President's Cup in Australia. There is not nearly the pressure or the demands on your time or everything else that goes into being a captain.

It's one session each day. You have plenty of support. The PGA Tour is completely there behind you. This, you're kind of on your own. And I think we have had these conversations, you and I, with previous captains. I've had this conversation with Jim Furyk. You and I both have had it with Paul McGinley. The job in the modern era is so intense and requires so much exacting.

knowledge, so much exacting decisions that I just don't know how you can do both and be affected at. And I think a lot of golf fans and golf observers are thinking about the best case scenario that here's a guy who's playing good golf. Here's a guy who clearly has a heart and passionate desire for the event. You know, let him, let him just go run free and fire up the crowd with birdies and let him earn some points. What if he doesn't?

What if he, as a playing captain, he does not play well. If he's not firing up the crowd with birdies, all of a sudden you have just handed on a silver plate to the Europeans, not just a point.

because one of the U.S. players did not play well, you have also then defeated the captain and the potential rush that that could give them sort of taking the head off of the king, so to speak. And so I think there's a psychological boost when you look at that respect as well. Like we're always looking at just the positive. Well, he's going to continue to play well because that's what he's doing right now. It's three months down the line for...

form ebbs and flows. I do think Kiki Bradley, at least at this point on June 25th, is saying the right things that let's give it some time. As of right now, I would just like to be the captain. One of the other players in the mix this week in Detroit Rex, who has certainly come under some scrutiny over the past couple of months, is Kalamura Kawa, who once again split with a caddy. First, it was JJ Jakovec.

On Tuesday, it was reported that he is now split with Joe Griner, who had filled in over the past five tournaments, all made cuts. However, he has not had a top 10, has Kyle Morikawa, in his last eight tournaments. He's had a pretty decorated career. This is tied for the longest stretch he has ever gone without a top 10 finish. He's sparring with reporters in a press conference setting. What do you think is going on here with one Kyle Morikawa?

I mean, he's clearly not pleased with this game. And I would point to Joe Greiner, who is one of the absolute best caddies in the game. And it's the old cliche that there's only two kinds of caddies on the PGA Tour. Those who have been fired and those who are about to be fired. You can say the same thing about swing coaches and fitness guys and everything else down the line. Once something starts going wrong inside that chain, inside the player's chain of his universe,

He's going to start picking away things that he feels like is going to be this. If I get rid of this and put a new one of those in there, it's going to fix everything because what the player can't do. And this is understandable. I, I,

I don't particularly agree with it all the time, but the player can't look himself in the mirror and be like, yes, I'm the problem. I've got to try to fix this. Like sometimes you have to kind of turn and deflect a little bit. And more times than not, the caddies or the swing coaches end up taking the brunt of that. That sounds like what's happening here. Joe will not be unemployed for very long. I think the bigger component with Justin Thomas at the heritage as a, as a fill-in, he is a, he's a great caddy, just like JJ Jackovic before him.

They'll land on their feet. They'll end up with really good bad soon. This has nothing to do with them. I think the bigger issue is what you sort of glossed over a little bit. And I actually did not see the press conference. You did doing it during golf today. But it's an exchange between Colin Morikawa and a reporter from GolfWeight, a colleague of ours, Adam Shupak. And I'm going to let you do the read. Yeah. So this was towards the end of the press conference where the reporter, Adam Shupak, asked him, asked

ask Colin, as you can see on the screen here, if you're following along on audio, I'll try to summarize it for you that, you know, do you know who was going to caddy for you at the open championship? This is just supposed to be a one week fill in for Kyle Morikawa's former college teammate, KK Limba suit is his former teammate at Berkeley. He's actually a corn fairy tour player, tried to Monday qualifier did not able to get through this week. And Kyle Morikawa said, I don't. And then Colin seemed to take issue with,

With how Adam Shupak went about trying to get that story. And it appeared on Twitter at GolfWeek.com earlier today with confirmation from Colin that this was that they had split with Joe Greiner. He was going a different direction. He had the one week film with KK this week, and he didn't know what was happening going forward. But he also included a quote, did Shupak.

essentially saying, I'm trying to be with my pro-am partners right now. I will answer your questions, any questions you have, in about two and a half hours. Shupak apparently approached Kamura Kawa on the first tee of the pro-am to try and get confirmation. Rex, you and I have been doing this job long enough. Can you explain to listeners and viewers why a PGA Tour player might take exception to

with that? And what is just sort of the general protocol between a reporter and a player during a pro-am round if you're trying to get some information? Well, and first and foremost, I don't think Colin Moore-Cower appreciated how the narrative was maybe framed in Adam Shupak's story about he seemed to send the message that, no, I don't want to talk to you. I want to play in the pro-am, right?

now. So I think there's a bit of a disagreement between Shupak and Morikawa on that front. And I would encourage everyone to go read the story and decide for yourself not to take sides. As far as how the protocols work, it's very clear on the first hole of a playoff. I mean, on the first hole of a pro-am, that's not when you go up and talk to a player. I will say that over the years, I have learned that pro-ams are the perfect time to talk to players. But if it's a nine to nine, which is

this week was, which meant that you're only going to play nine holes and another pro is going to step in. And when you make the turn, if it's a nine to nine, you usually go out and you try to find them on the seventh or eighth tee. And by that time they have done everything they needed to do with their amateur partners. And look, don't, don't mix this up.

Playing in the pro-am is part of the job. This isn't fun for a lot of players, but they understand that it's an important part of the job. It creates revenue for the tournaments. It also creates relationships between players and more times than not, potential corporate sponsors. Like there's a lot of reasons why.

for players to embrace the pro-am as an important part of their job. In this particular instance, I feel like Colin Morikawa was doing just that, where he is on the first tee and he has three pro-am partners and it's his job to essentially keep them entertained over the course of the next two and a half hours or nine holes. Now, normally that only is going to last six or seven hours.

the PGA tour going to the nine to nine format, I thought was one of the most brilliant things that's ever come out of Ponte Vita beach because most pro and partners, they don't want to spend five hours with the same pro. They would much rather split it up and to get two pros. I get to ask this guy the same questions. I asked that guy, maybe he has a different personality or whatever, but the player players are more engaged because they know it's only a two and a half hour commitment as opposed to five and a half. Exactly.

Exactly. And so the protocol here, and again, I would refer to the idea that over the course of our careers, we've discovered that the pro-am is a really good time to go out and talk to players in a less formal setting, probably largely off the record, just about any number of topics. You don't do it on the first

You wait until they get to the 60 or the 70, the 80, whatever the case may be. And you also keep those conversations relatively short. I don't think I've ever gone more than one hole with a player just talking about whatever it is I wanted to address and then send them on their way because they still have a job to do with the pro ams. And so I think there is things that there were probably stop signs here that Adam just simply ran through.

Yeah. I mean, I'm always cognizant of when players are on the range and they're clearly working on something and they're in the middle of a, you know, a,

deep dive with their swing coach that's not the time to sidle up there and ask questions the first day of a pro-am wouldn't be the time to ask questions it could be before the pro-am you know when they when the pro is is getting ready on the putting green if if if it actually rose to a situation where it's that urgent that you needed an answer at that point i would not say that kamura kawa changing caddies again would rise the level that that would sort of need that sort of intervention again you wait till seven eight nine uh give the pro and give the the

pro-am playing partners opportunity. They're paying a lot of money to be in that setting. It's just, it's just like a general respect thing that clearly Colin Morikawa felt was violated here. I also think Rex that Colin Morikawa is clearly sensitive to how he has been portrayed over these past couple of months as sort of the poster child for a player who is stiff arming reporters in the media, stemming from what happened on Sunday,

At Bay Hill, and I brought this up on golf today where it's easy to look at that as sort of an isolated incident and a player who is clearly steam because he just kicked away the tournament. He doesn't want to talk. He doesn't want to talk to report. He doesn't want to talk to anyone at that. That happens all year long. That happens in every other sport.

LeBron James doesn't talk after every single loss. If he, if, if he has a bad game, something goes down at the wire, he will sometimes blow out of there before reporters get into the locker room. This happens in every sport all year long. So I, I sort of, I sort of understand what happened there with Tom Marcao. What people forget is that two days later at the players championship, we asked Tom Marcao like a dozen questions about his inability to close out tournaments. And he was terrific. He was introspective. Uh,

He was really thoughtful about it. He did not stifle. He wasn't rude. Like, yes, he made the comment, but I don't owe you guys anything. But he was still sitting there in the press conference. He was still answering all the questions. It's just I think he's pushing back against sort of this perception that people now have about him. And I think it's it's fair. And he's understandably pissed that this is how he's been portrayed.

What's going on with the lights? Have we not paid the bills in Connecticut? What's happening there? It's clearly if I sit still long enough for like 10 minutes, the light is going to go off. And so we probably need to wrap up this podcast sometime in the next 10 minutes. But please carry on the conversation while I address this once more. Go ahead. I'll gasp back for a little while longer. To your point, yes. And to be fair, because I feel as if the narrative on this front between the media and the players has gotten a little exaggerated. And by that, I mean...

Rory McIlroy being the primary example when he went six consecutive major championship rounds without speaking to the media. Lost in that is the fact that he did pre-round press conferences, both at the PGA Championship. He did them in New Orleans when he was there for the Zurich Classic. He did it at the U.S. Open. So it's not as though they're not talking to the media. And I probably leaned into it a little bit more than I should have on Sunday night, only because.

Tommy Fleetwood, coming off the heartbreaking loss at the Travelers Championship, took the time to speak with the media and sort of cracked the egg open and let us see all of the pain, all of the suffering, all of the tears. And that's sort of what we want as reporters. We want to be able to tell that story to the public and let them know that this is so important to Tommy and

I believe the words he used are hurt and angry, and it's going to take me a while to get over this. Those are the stories that we want to tell. I'm with you. I understand it when a player doesn't want to tell those stories afterwards, when it's still too raw, too fresh. I think the only thing I would say that Colin Morikawa was guilty of is maybe tone.

At the Players' Championship, when he said that I don't owe you anything, that comes off as a little grating, probably comes off as a little self-serving. But the fact of the matter is, and I've said this repeatedly, he doesn't. None of them owe anything to the media. I have argued, however, that they do owe something to the fans and the corporate sponsors and the tournament organizers who go out of their way and work all year long to create this one week out of the year for them. But they don't owe anything to the media.

I hope that that part of the podcast was educational for folks who might be confused about why Kamura Kawa would take exception with that and what sort of the protocol is between a media and a player during a pro-am. Rex, one other tournament of note this week is Live Golf Dallas being played at Merido. This is one of two tournaments that Live Golfers have in advance of the Open Championship also playing Merido.

In Spain, the week prior to going to Royal Portrush, it's going to be blazing hot temperatures at Merida. We certainly know that. But any live golfers in particular that you want to track over these next couple weeks as we look ahead to the year's final major?

Oh, yeah, I think Bryson DeChambeau is still one of the most compelling figures in the game. And I wouldn't necessarily pick Royal Portrush as I started the season. It's somewhere where I expect him to never played well in an open. He has never played well in the open. And like, I think this goes to the heart of what Bryson DeChambeau is. He hates variables. He wants to get rid of all the variables that the game presents to him. And Lynx golf is nothing about and is about only about variables.

where you don't know exactly what the wind's going to do. You don't know exactly what the ball is going to do when it hits the turf. As it bounces, you don't know if you're going to end up in one of those pod bunkers and have a shot out or have no shot whatsoever. That entire brand of golf, I don't think, is something...

That he embraces right now. I have always pointed to how I would have said the same thing for the vast majority of Phil Mickelson's career right up until he won an open championship. So I do think there is still plenty of runway for Bryson to find a way to figure out Lynx Goff. However, I'm not sure if this is the year, but yeah, I mean, I think he's probably one of the top two or three compelling figures in the game right now.

He certainly is. Again, I don't have money and I don't have many expectations as it relates to Bryson and the Open Championship. I'm going to focus on a couple other players. There is a spot Rex in the Open available for the highest earning live player in.

Among the top five who is not already eligible. So Joaquin Neiman's already wrapped up his spot. Bryson, John Rahm have already wrapped up his spot. Right now, if it ended today, that spot would actually go to Sergio Garcia, which is notable for a couple of reasons. He didn't play in the U.S. Open the first time in about 25 years that he did not play in our national championship. Also with the Ryder Cup prospects remaining.

Sergio Garcia has not been playing his best golf over the past couple of months after being in pretty good form for about a year. That would be another opportunity to show Captain Luke Donald, show the other players on the team that he still has the goods and still would warrant potentially a pick for that European Ryder Cup team heading back to Beth Page Black. I look, Rex, also at John Rahm, who his major championship record is

This year looks awfully good. T14 at the Masters had a great weekend there. Obviously, we know what happened at the PGA Championship. It was tied for lead with nine holes to go at Quail Hollow before sliding back in the back nine. Ended up finishing in joint eighth. And also the U.S. Open. Started out hot, battled back, had a good Sunday final round as well. Ended up finishing in a tie for seventh. Jon Rahm is too good to have gone this long

against lesser competition and less competition in general on live golf without a win in 2025. It feels like he's trending towards something big. Perhaps that starts this week at live Dallas. Also live golf, Andalusia and Valderrama Beckins as well in Spain. Obviously, you know, John Rom is going to be up for a home game. All right. That is going to do it for this edition of the golf channel podcast with Rex and lab. You guys on the drill NBC sports.com slash golf.

for all latest news, notes, and updates. Rex and I will be back on Sunday night for a full 52-minute edition. If you have some questions for that podcast show related to the Rocket Classic, the Golf Dallas, anything else that is on your mind, feel free to hit us up in the YouTube comments section. We will get to it on the show. We're going to have plenty of time to fill, folks. All right. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the support. Enjoy the rest of your week, and we'll talk to you guys on Sunday.

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