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Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab Talks Markets

2025/5/1
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作为查尔斯·施瓦布公司的首席投资策略师,Liz Ann Sonders 负责市场和经济分析、投资者教育和资产配置建议。
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Liz Ann Sonders: 我认为我们现在看到的是,在贸易战升级之初,关于增长冲击是否会先来或通胀飙升是否会先来存在很多争论,而现在看来,增长冲击似乎先来了。这体现在美国股市近期表现上,标普500指数虽然从年初高点下跌10%,但也比底部上涨了10%。这反映了市场情绪的复杂性。 此外,我观察到4月份,特别是自低点以来,散户交易员仍然非常活跃,他们仍然处于逢低买入的心态。这与对冲基金和其他机构以及CTA的风险规避策略形成鲜明对比。一些指标,例如追踪散户交易行为的Vandatrack以及高盛的“meme股”篮子指数,都显示出散户交易的活跃度。 从第一季度财报来看,虽然盈利略好于预期,但并不像过去一年那样强劲。更重要的是,许多公司选择撤回业绩指引或提供模糊的预测区间,这让人联想起疫情初期的情况。这种谨慎态度反映了公司对未来经济的不确定性。 最后,机构投资者与散户投资者在持股方面存在差异。由于某些基金对个股持股比例的限制,机构投资者无法像散户那样集中持有某些股票,尤其是一些大型科技股。这种差异也影响着市场走势。

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ALL THE EQUITY DISCUSSION. I WANT TO KNOW THE ACT OF YOUR TWITTER FEED. YESTERDAY YOUR TWITTER FEED LOOKED LIKE THE FEDERAL RESERVE ANALYZING ECONOMIC DATA. IT WAS A ROCK STAR FEED OF LIKE 15 STUDIES OF GDP AND THE DYNAMICS INTO THE EQUITY MARKET. ARE YOU DOING THAT IN YOUR SPARE TIME?

creating most of the charts. You know that's Kevin's domain. If I had to create charts, it would be stick figures. They're from the Bloomberg Terminal Service. With crayons. Thankfully, I've got a great...

pair of folks with Kevin and Adrian who do the charts. But, you know, there are days where weeks happen. And this week is one of those unbelievable weeks. You and I could have breakfast at Sarah Bass in Central Park South today and do like a four hour conversation on this moment at hand. I got Brent Crude under $60 a barrel.

Global slowdown, U.S. slowdown, is that what you model in? Yeah, I think what we're seeing now is there was a lot of debate in the onset of the escalation of the trade war as to whether the growth hit would come first or the inflation pop would come first. And it looks like the growth hit may be coming first. So, Liz, we've got the S&P 500. I mean, the good news, bad news. Bad news is we're down 10% from the high earlier in the year. But the good news is we're 10% higher from the bottom. What do you make of this?

What do you think we should be doing here? I think what we're seeing in the month of April, particularly since the low, is a sign that the retail trader is still very active. They're still in the buy the dip.

mentality. You've got tech back in the leaderboard on a month-to-date basis, even though it's toward the bottom on a year-to-date basis. Vandatrack tracks what retail traders are doing, and that's in stark contrast to hedge funds and other institutions and CTAs that have been going more risk-off. And then when you see something, Goldman Sachs has those great indexes and baskets, and they're

Their meme stock basket has been soaring in the last month, too. Another proxy for retail traders. What do you make here of earnings? We're almost halfway through the earnings cycle. I see a lot of companies probably doing what I would do, which is like, I don't know what's going on out there. So I'm going to pull my guidance or give you some ranges or some scenarios. What are you taking away from earnings? I think companies have put themselves into timeout. You know, earnings so far for first quarter, a little bit better than expected.

not quite the beat rate that we've seen over the last year or so, but that's through March data. So it's the guidance or lack thereof that I think is really important. And it is starting to feel a little bit like the early stages of the pandemic when at that time you had a record percentage of companies just pull guidance altogether. Is institutional under-owned in the MagS7 that retail owns up to their eyeballs?

In many cases, yes, because of certain funds' requirements that they have a max on the amount they can hold percentage-wise in any individual stock. Even some of the sector exchange-traded funds are limited. So they, by default, couldn't get

Couldn't have developed the same concentration problem as what was embedded in cap weighted indexes. Our conversation today on the equity markets, Lizanne Saunders with us from Charles Schwab.

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