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Alternative Lending in Real Estate - [Business Breakdowns, EP.195]

2024/12/11
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Matt Russell: 本期节目探讨了商业房地产贷款市场的演变,以及另类贷款机构在其中扮演的角色。我们讨论了建筑贷款、资本生命周期以及当前市场动态,包括后疫情时代、利率环境和SVB事件等。Josh Zegen详细阐述了房地产融资不再是“非此即彼”的选择,并分享了Madison Realty Capital的成功经验。 Josh Zegen: 我从投资银行家转型为房地产贷款领域的企业家,创立了Madison Realty Capital。我们公司从最初的硬贷款业务发展成为如今的综合资本提供商,管理着超过210亿美元的资产。金融危机后,监管变化为另类贷款机构创造了机会,我们通过提供高杠杆的建筑贷款、灵活的融资方案以及全面的资产管理服务,满足了借款人的需求,并建立了良好的客户关系。我们还开发了多种信贷产品,以满足房地产项目全生命周期的融资需求,包括旗舰系列产品和收入系列产品,以及为其他私人信贷机构提供杠杆。在应对市场冲击(如COVID-19疫情)时,我们凭借丰富的经验和灵活的策略,成功地保护了投资者的利益。展望未来,我们认为私人信贷市场将继续增长,并专注于为借款人提供直接融资以及为其他贷款机构提供杠杆。

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What was the commercial real estate lending market like in 2004, and how did Madison Realty Capital start?

In 2004, the commercial real estate lending market lacked an alternative lending industry. Madison Realty Capital started as a hard money lender, focusing on quick-closing loans for time-sensitive property purchases. The firm was founded by Josh Zegen and his college roommate, Brian Schatz, who recognized the opportunity in providing senior-secured loans at a premium. They raised $350 million in their first fund and evolved into a single-source capital provider with over $21 billion in assets under management.

How did the global financial crisis impact the commercial real estate lending market?

The global financial crisis led to stricter regulations on banks, limiting their ability to provide high-value-add and construction loans. This created a gap in the market, which private credit firms like Madison Realty Capital filled. Post-crisis, banks were restricted to offering 50-60% loan-to-cost construction loans, which were insufficient for developers. Private credit firms stepped in to provide 65-75% loan-to-cost construction loans, leveraging their flexibility and lack of regulatory constraints.

What are the key dynamics of construction lending in commercial real estate?

Construction lending is highly customized, with developers needing 65-75% loan-to-cost financing to achieve returns. Post-financial crisis, banks were limited to 50-60% loan-to-cost, creating an opportunity for private lenders. Madison Realty Capital provides whole loans and partners with banks to offer higher leverage. The process involves iterative draws over a 3-4 year project, requiring strong borrower-lender relationships and experienced servicing to manage delays and issues.

How has Madison Realty Capital evolved its lending products over time?

Madison Realty Capital initially focused on higher value-add lending, including construction and renovation loans. Over time, they expanded to include transitional loans for properties post-construction, creating their Income Series in 2020. They also began providing back leverage to other private credit funds, filling the gap left by banks. This evolution allowed them to serve borrowers throughout the lifecycle of a property and offer more flexible financing options.

What role does private credit play in the current commercial real estate lending market?

Private credit has become a significant player in commercial real estate lending, especially post-financial crisis and post-COVID. It provides flexibility, speed, and certainty that banks cannot offer due to regulatory constraints. Private credit firms like Madison Realty Capital fill the gap left by banks, offering higher leverage and customized financing solutions. The private credit market has grown to include diversified asset managers, but dedicated real estate credit firms remain competitive due to their specialized expertise.

How does Madison Realty Capital manage risk in its lending portfolio?

Madison Realty Capital employs a comprehensive risk management strategy, including a full asset management team that monitors projects weekly. They review budgets, milestones, and market conditions, ensuring projects stay on track. The firm also uses external consultants to inspect properties monthly. This approach allows them to address issues early, manage extensions, and ensure loans are repaid. Their vertically integrated model, including property and construction management, further mitigates risk.

What impact did COVID-19 have on Madison Realty Capital's lending business?

COVID-19 caused a 60-90 day shock to the system, with fears of liquidity drying up. However, Madison Realty Capital had just closed a $700 million fund in February 2020, positioning them to capitalize on opportunities. They bought $200 million in performing multifamily loans during the crisis, leveraging their expertise in real estate debt and asset management. The pandemic highlighted the importance of flexibility and the ability to act quickly in volatile markets.

What are the current challenges and opportunities in the office real estate sector?

The office sector faces significant challenges, particularly with Class B and C properties, which are seeing low absorption rates. Class A properties, however, remain strong. The lack of liquidity in the office market has bogged down capital, limiting transactions. Conversion of office spaces to residential is a potential solution, but it is complex and costly. Madison Realty Capital has less than 1% exposure to office, allowing them to focus on more resilient sectors like residential and hospitality.

How do interest rates impact the commercial real estate market?

Higher interest rates benefit lenders like Madison Realty Capital, as their loans are floating rate. However, rates also impact property values and the investment sales market. The volatility of rates, particularly the 10-year Treasury, creates uncertainty for buyers and sellers. Consistency in rates within a 50 basis point band is crucial for underwriting and financing real estate deals. The current 'higher for longer' rate environment has slowed transaction activity, but a more stable rate outlook could revive the market.

What future opportunities does Madison Realty Capital see in the private credit market?

Madison Realty Capital sees significant opportunities in both direct lending to borrowers and providing back leverage to other private credit funds. The firm believes private credit will continue to fill the gap left by banks, especially in a higher interest rate environment. They are focused on creative deal origination and leveraging their expertise to navigate the current market dynamics. The firm is also exploring opportunities in non-performing loans and restructuring plays, particularly in states with quick foreclosure processes.

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This chapter explores the journey of Madison Realty Capital, starting from its humble beginnings as a hard money lender in 2004 to its current status as a prominent commercial real estate lender with over $21 billion in assets under management. It covers the evolution of the lending market and the firm's adaptation to changing regulatory environments and market dynamics.
  • Founded in 2004
  • Initially focused on hard money lending
  • Evolved into a single-source capital provider
  • $21 billion in assets under management

Shownotes Transcript

Today we are breaking down commercial real estate lending with Josh Zegen), co-founder and managing principal of Madison Realty Capital. 

Josh and his team at Madison launched in 2004 and evolved from a hard money lender when there really was no alternative industry called commercial real estate lending. They've developed into a single-source capital provider today with more than $21 billion in AUM.

Josh gets into great detail here about how it's not an all-or-nothing story when it comes to real estate. We covered some of the basics on construction loans, the life cycle of capital, and new developments. Then, we get into some of the current market dynamics, post-COVID interest rates, post-SVB, and much, much more. 

Please enjoy this Breakdown of commercial real estate lending.

For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.)

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Show Notes

(00:00:00) Welcome to Business Breakdowns

(00:05:22) Starting Madison Realty Capital

(00:06:44) Evolution of the Lending Market

(00:10:08) Construction Lending Dynamics

(00:15:36) Risk Management and Portfolio Strategy

(00:18:49) Leveraging Private Credit

(00:30:31) Portfolio Management and Challenges

(00:33:32) COVID-19's Impact on Real Estate Projects

(00:34:49) Strategies for Loan Workouts

(00:37:38) Post-COVID Market Dynamics

(00:39:45) Opportunities in Loan Purchases

(00:42:53) Sector-Specific Real Estate Insights

(00:49:27) Impact of Work Schedules on Real Estate

(00:51:22) Interest Rates and Market Impact

(00:55:45) Future Opportunities and Market Trends