Compass: Meals for the Masses - [Business Breakdowns, EP.211]
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My guest is Asif Jivanji, Chief Executive of Oakmont Group. Now, whether it's your corporate cafeteria, the food stands at a sporting event, or the old hospital food tray, you can see the food services industry all around you. And Compass is the giant in this space with a history that really dates back to the emergence of this outsourced trend.

Asif took me along this journey for both the business and the sector. How does the ecosystem work? What do contracts typically look like? And why had I heard of Aramark, but not Compass, when Compass is nearly double the size?

While my business instinct with anything food related is, it's just so hard. You have perishable goods and a lack of visibility on sales. The list goes on. But here is another example of carving out an effective business model around an essential need product. Now, please enjoy this breakdown of Compass Group. All right, Asif, I am excited to dive into the world of food today.

particularly the business of food and an interesting business that sits in that world with Compass Group. To start us off, I don't think that too much of our audience will be familiar with Compass Group. So maybe you could just start off with a simple explanation of who they are and maybe how somebody as a listener might interact with the business in their day-to-day life.

Well, it's great to be here, Matt. Compass is a food service company, a contract caterer. They're a UK company, but their biggest business is by far in North America. They operate in a very large market.

The best way to try and understand the business is to think about many of your listeners will have used a corporate cafeteria if you've worked for a large company. The cafeteria, there'll be a kitchen and seating area. They'll provide probably hot and cold meals and beverages. The operation of that cafeteria, which sits within the location of the client, which is your employer, is provided by companies like Compass.

And the important point is it is on site. So you don't have to leave the building to enjoy your meal. Can you share some general context on the size of this market? I know two players at this point, but just how big is it and any other context that you would put on that market as a whole in terms of its health or anything else you would use to describe it?

It is a massive market. It's very hard to size it accurately if you're looking at the global market. But if we use numbers that Compass provides, and they're in about 30 countries, they think that the food service market is about $320 billion.

Now, that is really just for the food service part of their business. They do have another part of their business, which is on support services. So this is the providing of certain add-on services like reception and cleaning, which is about 14% of their revenue. Some of the big players in this market are Sodexo and Aramark.

but it is quite a fragmented market otherwise with a number of independent regional players as well as and this is a really important part of the market in-house operations

And really one of the exciting areas of Compass is tapping into that and driving outsourcing of that over time. It's interesting to hear that market size, that $320 billion is a staggering number. I can remember looking at the advertising industry as of a few years ago, it was something like $700 billion. So you think about how much that market drives so many different businesses, and this being essentially half of that, but substantial. When you

You mentioned the fragmentation and those large players. Are there any with sizable market shares? Do they break out what Compass Group has in terms of market share, whether it's by their markets or anything else? And some of the other big players that you referenced in there as well. What does a dominant market share look like in this industry? So Compass is the 800 pound gorilla in this industry. They have about a 11 to 12% market share of that market.

If you were to take the next two biggest players, which is Sodexo and Aramark, and add them together, their revenues would just about equal that of Compass. In the case of Sodexo and Aramark, a much bigger share of their business is in facilities management.

So within food, Compass is by far and away the biggest player. That's a good opportunity to give a little bit of an understanding in terms of what these things mean, food versus facility services. I think I have some broader picture. But can you just talk a little bit about how the money moves through the system? I assume that Compass isn't growing and producing all of this food themselves. But what does it entail to be

the food services provider for a large corporation, how did the dollars move through the system, thinking about their suppliers and then how they supply to the customers? If you look down at the food on your plate, there are a number of participants in the ecosystem that will have made that possible. So Compass procures food from producers, farmers and other suppliers. The food is then transported from the supplier to a Compass-operated client location and

by food distributors like Cisco and US Foods and so on.

On the client site, the food is prepared by Compass chefs and served to the consumer. When you look at the money flows, they're pretty much in the opposite direction. The consumer purchases meals on site, Compass then pays distributors and suppliers. And there can be some balancing flows between Compass and the client depending on the contract type, the level of any subsidy and performance against service level agreements.

It's a good opportunity to talk about what contracts look like in this space, whether it's the term of the contract, how they're priced and structured, anything that you can share on that for standard contracts to the extent that there are standard contracts in food services. Contracts are typically three to five years, but there are exceptions where they can be longer.

in particular in the sports and leisure area and in education, where contracts can run up to eight years. And there are some historical B&I contracts, B&I is business and industry, where contracts have been longer still. There are three types of contracts. There's something known as fixed price contracts, where

The client will agree with Compass a fixed price per meal, and then it's up to Compass to figure out how to manage their costs to make sure they make a profit. There's another contract type, which is cost plus, where Compass will simply pass on whatever costs incurred in making the food, plus a small management fee.

And then there are P&L contracts where Compass and the client will agree to share the profits earned on the operation. From an investor perspective, even from the business's perspective, is there a contract type of those three that is most preferred, what results in the highest margins or something that you see a transition towards more and more?

Contracts are evenly split across the business by those three types, and that hasn't changed very much over time. We don't have enough information to discern different levels of profitability by contract type. And the contract structure that's adopted is largely down to the circumstances of the client. Some clients prefer a fixed price contract because it gives them certainty about what the outlay is each month in a subsidized cafeteria.

Other clients may want to share in the upside potential and elect a P&L contract. Whichever structure is written into the RFP, Compass will factor that into their bid terms to ensure that the structure is commercially attractive to them. And that's from a margin point of view, but also from a risk point of view.

On that point, in terms of retention, I'm trying to get some appreciation for how sticky these contracts might be because you are on the corporation's premises, their facilities. I imagine there is some ability to switch and change.

It's not going to be a complete overhaul. What does retention tend to look like for the industry? And are there things that can make them more sticky? Good service and steady performance is certainly going to be one of those. But are there hidden things that maybe impact the retention rate and stickiness of any of these contracts? There are switching costs involved. The retention rate for Compass is 96%, which is industry leading. That is very, very high.

And when you think about the scale of the business, $42 billion of revenue, if you're hitting a 96% retention rate, that means you're losing 4% every year, which is a lot of business, which they have to then replace. So to tread water, they've got to win, let's call it $1.5 billion a year. To grow as they have, they've got to do that again. Retention is really important. I like to think of it as in investing, Warren Buffett's rule is don't lose money.

I think in contract catering, it's do not lose a contract that you've won. This is really the secret sauce to Compass's ability to grow is they've excelled not only at winning business, but on hanging on to business that they've won.

That 96% tells me that there's something very sticky about their business. And I appreciate that you mentioned it still requires them to replace a billion and a half of revenue each year just to tread water. What would you point to in terms of competitive advantage that they might have versus their peers? And anything else on the switching costs that would be associated with it? If I can comprehend what that would look like, it would be helpful as an example.

What would it entail to move from one provider to the next? Beyond, we have this crew that's shown up and served the food out of here on Friday. On Monday, it's going to be this group. What else goes into it that makes it more complex? Contracts do move around. Every time you win a contract from another provider, there are bid costs involved and there are mobilization costs involved, which can be quite high. So those are the switching costs. But also the incumbent operator

He's going to know how the operation works and what the needs of the client are. So there is an advantage to the incumbent. But I think Compass's industry-leading retention is really down to making a science out of sales and retention. They keep a very close eye on what it is that the customer wants. And when I say the customer, one of the things that makes this industry quite unusual is there are two customer groups. There's the client and there's the consumer.

whether it's through surveys or through technology and data, Compass has a very, very good idea of if the client or the consumer is not happy, they will work very hard to fix that long before the contract comes up for renewal. So by the time it's coming to the renewal point, they're in a really good position to hang on to it. It's also important to point out that it's going to be very difficult to achieve 100% retention

Because, for example, a client might change its factory footprint and close a factory or consolidate offices, and therefore a site will disappear, which is out of Compass's control. So there will always be some contract loss.

Yeah, I can imagine scenarios to your earlier point. The incumbent understands the operation very well. They can probably price the contract to that specific setup while new bidders might not appreciate it, might come in with a lower price, and it might not be bad business to lose in that sense if what is required is going to undercut you on pricing to the extent that that happens. I

I could certainly see it. What else goes into their model in terms of, as you mentioned, being the 800-pound gorilla? Maybe we should go back in time and cover some of the history and build up to it. That might be a good place to start because I want to work towards how they've gotten to this place. What is the origin story of Compass? Can you bring us back to the beginning and the formation of this company, how far it goes back, and then we can work our way forward?

It's a really interesting history, fascinating because there have been so many plot twists along the way. But also, I think it's a marvelous story of resilience, because Compass has faced a number of challenges over its more than 80-year history.

every time it's come out stronger. The origin story really begins in World War II. The Churchill government in Britain at the time passed legislation that said any large munitions factory has to start operating a clean and safe kitchen and produce nutritious food for the employees in the factory. This was important because up until then, many of those workers would have been subsisting on meager rations.

And it was important for their productivity and contribution to the war effort that they were well fed. What was interesting is some entrepreneurs saw this legislation and decided to start a catering business to help these factories meet their obligations. Two of the companies that were started at that time were Bateman Catering and Midland Catering. I'll come back to those companies. Interestingly, after the war, the catering business basically continued to flourish because

employees quite like the idea of meals being provided by their employer. And some of the more paternalistic employers quite like the idea of looking after their employees and looking after their health and well-being.

Also, there were more and more women starting to enter the workforce. In peacetime, the industry continued to grow and grow. And in the 1960s, a British conglomerate called Grand Metropolitan acquired Bateman Catering and Midland Catering, merged them together to form effectively what is Compass today. The business continued to flourish. And in the 1980s, the management of the division within Grand Met

did a huge management buyout of what is effectively Compass. And a year later, they took it public. Compass grew and grew through the 80s and 90s. It became known as the quintessential defensive growth stock, probably what today would be a quality compounder.

The trajectory came to an abrupt end, though, in 2000, when another conglomerate called Granada effectively bought Compass. There was really very little overlap between the two businesses, but the industrial logic was that Granada wanted to put its hospitality assets into Compass so that it could become a pure play media company in a red-hot TMT market. So the two companies a year later demerged.

Compass emerged as this sort of hospitality company saddled with hotel assets and service stations and roadside eateries and so on. That then led to a few years where Compass's performance wasn't quite as good as it had been. It was less focused. That really changed in 2006 when a new board had put in place a new CEO, a guy called Richard Cousins.

And Richard Cousins had come from outside the industry. He was a breath of fresh air. And he looked at this business and said, this is a good business. We've actually done well on the top line. We can do better, but we've done well. But we need to introduce more financial discipline, more rigor, more accountability. And he developed a framework called the MAP framework, which goes very well with the compass. And that stands for management and performance. And it had five elements to it.

which is about winning and retaining business, winning with the consumer, and managing costs. Those are food costs, labor costs, and out-of-unit costs. What it was was a tool to help people across Compass talk about the business in terms that really affect the value drivers of Compass. It became a common reporting tool, and it became a tool to hold people to account, and it is still used in the business today.

Richard Cousins tragically died in an aviation accident in 2018, just months before his planned retirement. Luckily, his successor had already been announced, Dominic Blakemore, and he's led the business since 2018 very successfully, albeit with a huge challenge in the middle, which was the pandemic, probably the hardest challenge that Compass has faced in its history. At one point, revenues were down 40%, something the business has never seen before.

Amazingly, the business has emerged stronger from it with a bigger revenue base today than it had before the pandemic.

Very interesting history. I did not appreciate that it was really born out of war environment. And I think we've seen quite a few businesses that at least have their ties to that. It sounds like over the history, and let's remove COVID from the situation, that was certainly a unique environment. But this has been a market that has just grown substantially over time. And even some of those pivots that they've had to make

were either associated with some less than attractive combinations and a lack of focus on this core business around the dot-com boom. And even with the changing of the guard in the late 2000s, that sounds like it was more focused on the cost side of the equation, not on the top line. So has this just been a very healthy, steadily growing market over history that has offered a lot of runway for them to capture? Is that a fair way to categorize it?

I think you're right. It has been a healthy market, but I think it's really important to give Compass credit for some of the moves they made to really capture more than their fair share. And one thing I really missed out of the history of Compass is what they did in the mid-90s, which is to really launch in the US. Compass was predominantly UK business up till then. They realized that the US was really exploding due to a wave of outsourcing that had been taking place since the 80s.

And they sent some executives over from the UK. One of them was a guy called Gary Green, who went on to run Compass in North America and ended up doing so for 30 years. He just retired last year after 40 years at Compass. They did a number of things which were really, really smart. So Compass was not very well known in the US, obviously, at that point. They were starting from scratch. And so they went out and bought a business. They bought a business called Canteen, which offered food services and vending.

This is in 1994. It was quite a big business, about a billion dollars in revenue. And perhaps on the back of that, they won a massive contract the following year with IBM, probably one of the biggest food service contracts awarded up until that point.

I think what happened then is that gave them confidence and cash flow to go out and buy other businesses. They bought many of the very best businesses, independent regional businesses in the industry. They bought Restaurant Associates. They bought Bon Appetit. They bought Morrison Healthcare. They bought Flip. This gave them some of the leading brands in the industry.

It brought in a lot of talent because these were entrepreneurial businesses that have been very successful and they retain many of the management teams. What's really interesting is they didn't then just plaster those businesses with the brand compass. They retained those brands which were known to American purchasing managers. And then they did something really smart, which was to sectorize the business. Restaurant Associates, let's say, is very strong within B&I.

Morrison is very strong within the healthcare industry. Let's operate along those lines because we recognize that what a hospital system wants from its contract is going to be very different to what a university campus wants or what an office tower wants.

That sectorization approach has been incredibly successful. Interestingly, the competitors have not adopted that. Sodexo, for example, their next biggest competitor, a French company, has really gone out with the brand Sodexo. And I've often wondered, is this out of a Napoleonic desire to centralize? Or is it because they thought it would be more efficient, which in some ways it has been, but it has also not been as effective in the marketplace?

This approach to be sectorized, to keep these well-known brands, and to be quite aggressive on scaling up the business through acquisition was remarkably successful. And from a standing start, they've built the US business, or North American business, I should say, to be a huge business. So if I look at

Compass's revenue today, about $42 billion, more than two-thirds of that is coming from North America. And in fact, because it's a more profitable business, because it's so scaled, it's more than three-quarters of Compass's profits.

It's really interesting, especially your point on the decision to keep independent brands operating within their sectors. And I find this to just be an interesting dynamic across the business universe when companies decide to consolidate and have one enterprise brand that really operates across the system versus having the independents that have their sector specialties. And I certainly wouldn't want to be getting the hospital food if I'm at the

business, there are certain dynamics which make a lot of sense, but it also offers some theoretical expertise or it gives that idea that there is expertise in terms of operating those systems relative to some of the competitors. An interesting one that stands out to me and one of those themes that you see across the business universe and fun to hear about.

That's right. Sectorization is a really interesting approach and it enables a number of benefits. So one is the ability to use reference contracts in a pitch more effectively. If a potential client is, say, a hospital system, Compass can show them what they've accomplished in another hospital system of a similar size, maybe in the same state.

And that's much more persuasive than showing something generic or from a different sector. And down to the site level, contracts are very bespoke. And Compass's brand and sectorization approach has really helped with that. In fact, it has been so effective that Compass has taken things to the next level and subsectorized the business. So today, Compass operates along 27 subsectoral lines.

I've got a fun story to illustrate that this really is how Compass functions. During the pandemic, Compass, along with the rest of the sector, was under intense pressure due to the lockdowns. And I had a hunch that if Compass were feeling the heat, then the self-op part of the market were going to be feeling it even more keenly, and that that might actually drive more outsourcing.

To test the theory, I commissioned a survey to ask various organizations whether or not they currently outsource their catering, and if not, whether they plan to do so. And if they did plan to outsource, who were they considering partnering with? Was it Compass? Was it Aramark, Sodexo, or someone else? When the results of the survey came back, they did indeed show that many organizations were contemplating subcontracting out their currently in-house operation.

but Compass hardly came up as a choice. This was a bit of a head scratcher. And then it hit me that whilst we investors know who Compass is, the decision makers at the clients don't necessarily know the name Compass. They deal at the subsector level with brands like Bon Appetit and Crothall and Morrison and Chartwell and so on. And a revised questionnaire did bear this out.

So that was quite a nice proof point about sectorization. On the point of market penetration, the adoption of food services, whether it's versus the alternative of providing in-house services or just not having any services at all, do you have any sense of where that stands today in terms of market penetration and however that might be measured?

If we focus firstly on the North American market, as I said, one of the things that drove Compass to really launch in North America was recognizing that the market was outsourcing. But that was really focused on B&I.

So you can imagine companies in the 80s and 90s saying, why are we doing this in-house? We should really outsource this. We'll save money, and it's really not core to our business. That sort of wave of outsourcing has pretty much happened. And today, almost 100% of BNI, the marketplace is fully outsourced. It has yet to happen within two very important markets, which is healthcare and education.

They're probably, in North America, about half the market is outsourced. That's what's continuing to drive Compass's quite high rate of new business wins is increasingly, and particularly after the pandemic,

Those clients are saying, we really need to outsource this. And one of the things that's driving that decision is, first of all, it's cost. Compass's scale in procurement is so big that they're always going to be able to deliver food more cheaply than an in-house operation. But the other is just rising complexity. Consumers are getting more demanding. They want to know more about the food they're putting in their bodies.

They have nutritional demands, whether it's around vegan or gluten-free. They want to see labeling around allergens, and that's particularly important in the healthcare and education space. And it's quite hard to deliver on that. You need to have a very good eye on your supply chain. You need to have a lot of data. That requires a lot of technology. And it's becoming more and more difficult for a single site operator or even a small regional player to really compete.

So that's driving a second wave of outsourcing now in healthcare and education in North America. What's really interesting, though, at the moment is that for many, many years, continental Europe was quite reluctant to outsource. It did happen to quite an extent within BNI, but certainly not the other sectors so much.

And that is now changing. Compass recognize that. They've been investing very heavily in European acquisitions, in particular, replicating the successful strategy that they executed in the 90s and 2000s in the US. What you're starting to see is really an acceleration in organic growth to levels that we've almost never seen in Europe. I think that's really a repeat of the strategy that's already played out in the US.

It's interesting when you talk about acquisitive DNA to go from a period where that seemed to be a theme in the 90s. I'm sure there was some M&A over the years in between now and then, but to go back to that time period and have a precedent like that, it's a little bit further back in time than most companies would point to in terms of executing a strategy. But it seems like a lot of the DNA is still in place.

I want to get into the M&A point a little bit more. But before we move on, on terms of the market size and growth, is there a way to measure how much the market is growing organically each year? I can understand there's going to be contracts that are moving from one provider to the next. But is there some sense in terms of what organic growth is for the market as a whole, whether you break that down geographically or at the world level?

It's tricky to do that because you've got to assess what is the market. But if I look at Compass specifically, we can tease out what are the elements of growth. There are several elements to their organic growth. One is volume growth. It's pretty hard to eke out more than a few basis points really a year from that because the biggest way you can grow there is to convince people who maybe aren't using their cafeteria

every day of the week to use it more often. So that's a very small contributor to growth, but it has been a positive one. The second one is pricing. Compass generally is passing on pricing to the consumer that's broadly in line with inflation. They're certainly not trying to use pricing as an important lever because actually what they really want to do is to try and reduce costs so that they don't have to do that.

But they're able to pass on inflationary costs to the consumer. And you've seen that, particularly in the last few years, when you had quite high food inflation and high labor inflation, they were able to pass that on. Over time, that's been sort of around the 2% type level. The really big driver of organic growth has been what they call net new business wins. I mentioned earlier that retention is around 96%. Compass has been growing net new business at around 4%.

So that requires a gross win rate of about 8%, which is on that sales base, absolutely enormous. And they've been doing that to end up at a net new of about four. Mid to high single digit organic growth is certainly possible for a very long time for Compass.

I want to get into the financial dynamics because I think that will instruct some of the M&A conversation as well. You gave a good sense of the top line growth there. One of the benefits of a large player in this market should be the cost structure, being more efficient. What does it actually look like in terms of the margin profile of this business and however you might categorize how Compass performs, how the industry performs, and the most important metrics associated with

the margin profile? So the typical margin in the food service sector is around 6%. Aramark makes about 6%. Sodexo, a little bit under that, but that's partly because of the dilutive effect of its facilities management business. Compass outside North America also makes about a 6% margin. But in North America, they make a more than 8% margin.

And what explains this 200 basis point spread? There are several contributing factors. The key one is scale. We've got a fixed managerial cost and technological infrastructure cost. And the more revenue you layer on top of that, the higher your margin is going to go. In addition, Compass has embedded within it an economy scale shared type of model within the procurement side of the business.

And I think that partly also explains the margin differential, although it mainly explains the ability to grow the business and that drives scale and that drives margin. Just to delve into that, in the early 2000s, Compass acquired a small food procurement technology business called Foodbuy. And that has formed the bedrock of Compass's GPO or General Purchasing Organization.

And the way this works is that most of the ingredients purchased by the Compass chefs are bought through Foodbuy via approved vendors. And as you can imagine, that by itself is a lot of volume. But in addition, Compass invited third parties, these could be cafes, restaurants, hotels, et cetera, to also procure through Foodbuy. Today, in total, Foodbuy does about $40 billion of volume, 60% of that coming from third parties.

And that enables Compass to secure better prices and better payment terms from their suppliers. As an aside, Compass charges third parties a very small fee for using Foodbuy, which I like to think is a slightly Costco-esque touch. And it's a really compelling win-win for everyone involved. Compass attains lower procurement costs, which help them win more business, further driving up scale.

Third parties can access Compass's buying power and reduce their cost of goods sold in a way they couldn't have done otherwise. The consumer enjoys a lower price meal, and if they're happy, then all else equal, the client will be happy. Even the supplier is content with this arrangement because although they might sell at lower prices, they also have certainty about demand, which is particularly important when you're dealing with perishables.

And this model is very difficult for other players to compete with or to replicate. And now Compass is ramping up food buy in Europe. And this dovetails really nicely with the acquisition strategy that will bring scale in core markets like the UK, Germany, France, the Nordics, etc.,

That will enhance procurement volume in each of those countries. This ought to lead to more growth, which will drive up the European margin in the direction of the North American level over time.

It's impressive to see. We always use the AWS example in terms of something you need for yourself and eventually being able to sell it elsewhere. But interesting to hear and why that would be so attractive as an added model to the system and to the business profile. On the cost point, you mentioned something there around food buying, purchasing. In terms of inventory risk, this is always something I walk through a grocery store and I just think to myself,

all of this produce. It's perishable. How did they possibly model out inventory management? And I never spend enough time to understand the real ins and outs of it, but it just weighs on me. How does that come into play, if at all, for Compass? That's a really great point. And one of the things I think Compass is slightly advantaged on is the way their model works versus, say, a restaurant. A restaurant is a spot business, but Compass is a contractual business.

Compass is able to menu plan, let's say for the week ahead, and then all of their chefs at the site level will order from Foodbuy. The inventory turns are quite high. Inventory represents less than 2% of sales. It's not going to be sitting within the business very long. It's mainly perishable. There might be some food that sits in the fridge for a while, but it's going to be used according to the menu that's already been planned out.

And because you have a mainly captive customer base, you sort of know what your covers are going to be, if you like, the equivalent in a restaurant business. So it's a very different business from that point of view. But I think inventory isn't really a huge part of the story. From a working capital point of view, though, what's interesting, and again, difference with the restaurant industry is that working capital is negative for Compass. So effectively, they're able to pay suppliers later than they're collecting from the clients and consumers.

And that's really a very attractive feature of the business, particularly as it seems to continue to grow and grow. Every business lover loves a good negative working capital story. I think that sends off the trigger in the brain. So that's a favorite. On the other cost buckets, thinking about labor, I saw some staggering statistic in terms of the employee base. Can you map out what that entails in terms of labor? And is the right

understanding that they have a workforce that is essentially contracted out to the corporation or whoever the end customer is in order to work the cafeteria or whatever site it might be? No. So actually, the employees on site are Compass employees. If Compass takes over a contract from an in-house operation, they will usually take over most of the employees as well.

As you said, it is a staggeringly big business from a point of view of how many people they employ. It's nearly 600,000, which makes it one of the largest private sector employers in the world outside of retail. And managing that labor force is challenging, but also I think one of the skill sets Compass has.

They have a few advantages here versus I think their peers and also other restaurants. One is they've invested a lot in technology and what they call labor scheduling technology. What the employees can do is input into an app the hours that they'd like to work, the shifts they'd like to work, which days they'd like to work. So there's a lot more flexibility for employees to

versus let's say a restaurant and then they can use the algorithm to match up where demand and supply for labor is so you might have one particular cafeteria in a location that based on demand would be overstaffed and another that is understaffed and they can actually move people across locations but the other thing is that flexibility is a huge advantage in terms of recruitment and

If you think about a typical high-end restaurant, it's a very high-stress environment. The hours tend to be pretty antisocial. When your biggest day part is lunch for a typical cafeteria, I think that makes for much more sociable working hours. And one of the ways that this actually plays out is in the gender balance of the Compass employee base, which is much more balanced than the restaurant sector.

So they have a slight edge, I think, in managing labor, which is their biggest cost by far. And I think they generally have pretty good labor relations.

These people in their labor force act as extensions of other companies. So it's important to get that right and hire high quality. So interesting to hear those dynamics and how they play a role. When you think about the volatility of the financials and particularly the income statement, I think you referenced COVID, a 40% decline. That probably isn't the right historical period to use as a model.

But if you go back over previous recessionary periods or previous moments of macro sensitivity, how is the business performed both from a top line perspective and then from margins and the operating leverage that sits in the system? Compass is a cyclical business. The main element of cyclicality comes from the volume in the actual canteen. And that's going to be a function, for example, within BNI of employment levels.

If you look back at the biggest shock to employment we've had in, let's say, the last 20 years, it was during the financial crisis.

And there you did see volume decline a little bit, but you didn't see organic growth go below zero during that period because what happened is Compass won a lot of new business as well. I think there's a sort of natural edge there because in stressed macro environments, I think there's an even bigger propensity for self-operated or in-house operations to actually look to outsource because their own cost structure will become

problematic with a drop in volume, complexity is rising. So this is actually something I'm a bit nervous about in the future, but I think the offset will be net new business growth. In terms of the lingering effects of COVID, where we went from five days in office to zero days in office to return to office and still seeing that be figured out from a lot of corporations. And I think we see

Five days a week, we see some four, we see some three. There is definitely a return to office as the standard. But what that looks like is kind of up for debate still, it seems like. How has their own business recovered from that? Understanding they've won a lot of net new, which is a good thing. But is that legacy business still impaired in a material way from the lingering impact of COVID?

There's no question that pandemic era working practices were really rough for the contract catering industry. If the standard working week was five days in the office before the pandemic, and that goes down to four days, that's 20% off your revenues gone straight away. If it goes down to two or three days in the office, that's brutal.

The pandemic taught us all that work from home is possible. And it could be that attendance levels in offices never quite returns to pre-pandemic levels. But the good news is there has been this steady recovery in return to office. But all that being said, I think it's a common misconception about Compass that they really only do office catering. And I think that's partly because for many investors,

Their own office cafeteria is the primary frame of reference when they're visualizing what Compass does. But actually, the exposure to the office is much less than one would imagine. And understanding this actually created quite a major buying opportunity in the stock during the pandemic. If you look at B&I, it's about 38% of revenues. So this is their biggest sector. And yes, that is very important. But it's not the be all and end all.

Of that, 60% is in business. So that's where the offices sit. The other 40%, the I in B&I, is things like industrial plants and manufacturing facilities, where the reality is work from home is not really possible. And in fact, that part of the business was not really impacted during the pandemic. So in reality, the office part of what Compass does is in the low 20s percent of the group.

And then if you go through the other sectors, well, healthcare actually grew during the pandemic. And that's the second most important sector. Sports and leisure was very, very impacted. It was hit hard because almost overnight, sports fixtures and concerts were just cancelled. But the minute there was reopening, people were really eager to get back to those events. And that business recovered very, very fast. And similarly in higher education,

it's pretty difficult to keep fee-paying students away from campus. So that business also recovered very quickly. Another theme that I was curious about is the general corporate office, which again, I'm doing exactly what you mentioned, just picturing Compass through this lens of the corporate cafeteria.

but I'm sure it extends elsewhere a bit into the rest of their business. But seeing businesses, rather than having one single hub, maybe move towards having several more spokes, splitting offices, you see the WeWork model and some of the other sharing models come into play. Are those net negatives? Do they have a material impact on the business? Thinking about that theme and somewhat of a shift away from the large corporate headquarters, which I think

particularly 30 to 40 years ago, were the standard default. The office model is always evolving, and I think it will continue to do so. I think Compass has also demonstrated an ability to evolve with it. Just one example of that is during the pandemic, they started from scratch a delivery business, which actually became quite significant over time, to serve certain clients whose employees were working from home.

You're right that the flexible office solution model has grown meaningfully in the last few years. And generally speaking, they tend to serve small headcount firms. And the reality is that those kind of businesses would not have been Compass clients anyway.

When you start to transition in terms of seeing the earnings translate to free cash flow, thinking about the capital intensity of this business, what does that look like? The negative working capital is always a very interesting theme for a business. Is there significant capital intensity in this business? Where would that come from if it does exist? And anything else in terms of thinking about the cash flow profile of Compass? It is a very cash generative business, and it's also a fairly asset-like business as well.

Compass doesn't need to have a fleet of trucks to move food around that's handled by the distributors. As I said before, they have negative working capital. But then the real kicker is the fact that they don't actually own the sites. Those belong to the client. If you compare that with a restaurant business, which actually has to own or lease the sites they operate out of,

That's a really big difference. And one of the ways that this lends quite a competitive advantage to Compass is that whilst high street players or main street restaurants, sandwich chains, etc.,

are going to see their costs increase partly from increasing lease rates. Compass isn't seeing that because they're not paying any rent on their premises. That's causing the pricing gap to emerge and get bigger between what you'd pay to get a sandwich outside versus eating in the Compass cafeteria. And I think that is a building competitive advantage

And particularly at a time when consumers are struggling with their budgets, I think that's going to drive potentially more volume back to the cafeteria.

when you pair it with something like mid to high single digit margins, those don't scream for new competition to come into the market. They don't attract major new upstart investment necessarily. But in some ways, the success of Compass, to me, would point to the opportunity for some of those larger players to maybe

go out and look at a same acquisitive growth strategy to roll up the market. Another theme that people love is industry's ripe for roll up. Is that something that you have seen happening or what has stopped competitors from maybe going out and trying to become a more formidable force against Compass over time? What would make that challenging is that in North America, Compass bought most of the best businesses.

There isn't a lot left to buy. It was rumored last year that Sodexo would buy Aramark, which would create another £800 gorilla, albeit not as big in food as Compass. But I think culturally, that would be quite an interesting combination. We'd see how it would work out. So I think it would be challenging. And this is a really interesting aspect of Compass's strategy is they have been exiting whole countries.

Pre-pandemic, they were in about 50 countries, and now they're down to 30, and I think they'll go a little bit lower than that this year. Why are they doing that? Many years ago, part of the strategy was to be a massive global player and begin emerging markets, which were going to grow. But actually, it doesn't quite work because scale is only relevant at the local level. So what you really want to do is to be big in a particular country.

Some of the countries where Compass has exited, they've sold to some of their competitors. So it could be that those players get very big and successful in those countries. We'll see. But I think Compass has exactly the right approach, which is to try and get big in the UK and in Germany and so on, which is mirroring the exact approach they took in the US.

The limitations of the benefit on scale, does that cap out at the country level? Is it more regional? And I know this is more art than science, but where would you say the benefits of scale cap out when thinking about your point on region geography?

Food is very much a local business. It's done at the country level. Being very big in Germany is not going to help you in France in terms of buying food. So you really need to be big at the country level. Compass really found it challenging in some markets to get big either because of local competition or because of the structure of the market.

So they've really said goodbye to some markets that you would think might be potentially one day very big, but they've actually struggled to scale up and have concentrated on markets where they already have scale and where they're going to get much bigger. And with that, I think comes long term improvements in profitability.

It's interesting to pair that where you're actively managing the portfolio of brands and assets that you have, not just in buying, but in also selling. On the buying and the acquisitive front, I want to pair this with the valuation storyline because I am sure if Compass is to acquire a local player, there are going to be cost synergies that can be realized, which are going to make it potentially accretive. Right.

But is there a pretty attractive valuation arm that they can play when buying these businesses as well? And can you tap into some of the valuation framework that you would generally use for this type of business and how the market perceives it? I don't think there's a major valuation arm to play where the acquired cash flows are sort of re-rated within Compass because Compass is, by and large, acquiring very high quality assets rather than fixer uppers. And it's not using its balance sheet to make these acquisitions.

In terms of the way we think about Value & Compass, what we try and do is nail down what is the free cash flow so that we've got a good idea of what the free cash flow yield is. And we think that's currently around 5%. We then marry that with organic sales growth, which conservatively we think can be 5% over the medium term. That alone gets you to a double digit type return.

If we stack on top of that other elements of per share free cash flow growth over the medium term, whether it's margin increases or accretion from the use of cash on acquisitions or repurchases, then you can start to have line of sight towards low teens type returns medium term.

On that free cash flow generation and how that gets allocated, sometimes when you see, as you mentioned, potentially shrinking the portfolio or the geographical reach, that can be associated with returning capital to shareholders, whether it's buybacks, whether it's dividends. Is that something that they actively do? What's their methodology just in terms of capital allocation? Compass has a simple, clear, and consistent capital allocation framework.

Priority one is to reinvest into the business, which given the attractive returns is something we're happy to see them do. CapEx to sales runs at about 3.5%. This can be on a variety of things such as cafeteria refits, particularly on new contracts, but increasingly it's devoted to technology. This is both hardware and software. And one of the reasons this is happening is that Compass has a lot of data.

across its supply chain, on consumers, on labor, and it's investing to be able to collect that data, analyze it, and use it to the benefit of their customers. The second use of cash is, as we've discussed, is on acquisitions. Naturally, the spend here is quite episodic, but generally speaking, they're buying medium-sized businesses. After that, they have an ordinary dividend, pay out about 50% of earnings,

But to come back to your question, as a very cash generative business, they still have surplus cash beyond that. And in the last few years, what they've been doing with that is to repurchase shares. If there's a slight blemish on an otherwise spotless record, you could point to the fact that they issued equity during the pandemic to shore up the balance sheet. And now they're buying back shares at a much higher price. But assuming there's no more

pandemic-like surprises, I think the visibility around capital allocation is pretty clear. And it's all being carried out with a nicely conservative leverage corridor of about one to one and a half times net debt to EBITDA.

Is there anything else that stands out from a risk perspective for Compass that maybe we didn't tap into or is worth digging into further? One issue worth pondering is whether there might be a risk to volumes across Compass's business. It does seem like the administrative layer across all sorts of organizations is under assault currently.

This is most prominently seen in the US in the federal government. Now, luckily, Compass doesn't have too much direct impact because they don't do much work with the federal government. But there is a possibility that something similar could occur in other parts of the economy. So we've heard many large corporates, for example, talk about thinning the ranks of middle management.

This would impact within B&I attendance rates in the cafeterias. In higher education, the ratio of non-teaching staff to faculty and students has increased dramatically over the last 30 years. Ultimately, students are picking up the tab for that through higher tuition costs, which they're borrowing the money to pay. Is this sustainable? If not, administrative staff levels might be reviewed or enrolments will drop.

Either way, it could harm attendance rates on campus cafeterias. A similar phenomenon is playing out, I think, in healthcare, where healthcare costs are quite high relative to GDP in many countries. And if I look at the UK, where healthcare is predominantly provided by the state and it's free at the point of use, the quality of care is deteriorating, but the cost of providing it is rising. And one way this is starting to be addressed is

is by reducing non-medical staff in the system. That ultimately will also cause attendance rates to drop. Now, this sounds very pessimistic, but there is a silver lining here for Compass, which is it is exactly these sorts of pressures and stresses on systems that can catalyze an outsourcing decision. Ultimately, if it does play out, it might actually supercharge Compass's net new business growth.

Well, this has been a fascinating deep dive and primer on food services as a whole, and then Compass fitting into that equation. We end these conversations with the key lessons that you can pull away from this business and potentially apply elsewhere. What stands out to you in terms of key lessons from Compass that maybe are applicable in other investing research?

One lesson is that while generally acquisitions have a bad rap, Compass has shown that executed well and within a coherent strategy, they can create a tremendous amount of value. And whilst acquisitions have served Compass well, they've also been willing to do something else, which is to shrink to grow. And that's been particularly true under the excellent leadership of Dominic Blatmore. There are food service sectors where Compass has elected not to play.

There are some where they're quietly retreating and counterintuitively, they've divested from operations in entire countries, including some large population ones. There they judged the risk was too high, the opportunity not so attractive, or the capital required to get to scale just simply too large. Instead, they've redeployed those resources into doubling down where they're already strong and where they see a big runway.

One way to think about this is Compass are opting to play games they know they can win. And this goes against the grain of so many companies that by nature are expansionist. I think shrinking to grow

is a high density signal of quality amongst the noise and well worth looking out for in other companies and other industries. I love that. One of my favorite themes from the US railroads and their incredible performance dating back to the early 2000s and for a decade plus thereafter. I love that theme and think it's laid out very interestingly here. Asif, thank you very much for joining us on Breakdowns today. It's been great to be here. Thank you, Matt.

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