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RTW: Investing across Healthcare - [Business Breakdowns, EP.184]

2024/9/27
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Matt Russell指出医疗保健行业对投资者来说是一个独特且极具影响力的领域,其投资具有长期性和高风险的特点。Rod Wong详细阐述了药物投资的三个阶段:研发阶段(无收入,高投入),销售阶段(高收入,稳定),以及后期阶段(收入骤降)。他强调了美国生物技术产业的独特优势,以及大型制药公司在维持长期增长方面的挑战。Stephanie Sirota补充说明了生物技术公司成功的主要受益者是患者和社会,而非创始人,并分析了生物技术公司很少由创始人长期领导的原因。他们还讨论了生物技术投资的策略,包括在不同阶段的投资重点和所需技能,以及如何适应市场环境的变化。此外,他们还探讨了生物技术公司与大型制药公司的并购活动,以及政府资金和私人资本在生物技术研发中的作用。 Rod Wong深入分析了基因疗法等新兴技术在生物技术领域的巨大潜力,并以Avexis公司的案例说明了早期投资的机会和风险。他还探讨了如何识别预测药物研发成功的因素,以及新兴技术带来的挑战和机遇。他指出,生物技术药物研发成功率低,需要识别预测成功因素,并根据不同技术和疾病领域调整投资策略。他还分析了制药行业过去十年的赢家和输家,以及《通胀削减法案》对药物研发的影响。他认为,生物技术行业目前正处于复苏阶段,未来有望迎来强劲增长,但同时也面临着资金、人才和监管等方面的挑战。 Stephanie Sirota阐述了RTW投资公司在团队建设和发展方面的经验,以及如何适应生物技术行业的变化。她强调了团队合作和专业化在生物技术投资中的重要性,以及RTW公司如何通过建立一个由具有不同专业背景的员工组成的团队来提高投资决策的质量。她还讨论了RTW公司在投资策略上的调整,包括同时投资公开市场和私人市场,以及在全球范围内开展投资活动。她还分析了美国医疗保险系统中存在的问题,以及这些问题如何影响公众对制药公司的看法。她认为,美国医疗保健系统中存在严重的错位问题,需要进行改革。

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Key Insights

Why is healthcare investing considered unique compared to other sectors?

Healthcare investing is unique due to the three-phase lifecycle of drugs: a decade-long period with no revenues but high capital intensity, a strong revenue phase with relative pricing power and easier forecasting, and a rapid revenue decline phase. This lifecycle requires constant reinvention and is heavily reliant on deep public capital markets, leading to a high number of small public companies and a venture capital-like environment in public markets.

Why are there few founder-led giant companies in the healthcare sector?

Developing a drug is an extremely challenging endeavor, akin to landing a spaceship on the moon. Founders typically focus on one or a few drugs, and once successful, it's more efficient to hand over distribution to large multinationals. This industry structure makes it difficult for founder-led companies to grow into giants.

How does RTW Investments structure its team to handle the complexities of healthcare investing?

RTW Investments has built a large, sub-specialized team with over two dozen people holding terminal scientific degrees. The team includes experts in various scientific areas and functional roles, ensuring deep domain expertise and collaborative decision-making.

What are the benefits of being a public-private investor in the healthcare sector?

Being a public-private investor allows for easier management team familiarity and access to scientific data that public investors cannot access. It also positions investors to benefit from the high reward potential that often materializes after a company goes public, combining research advantage and reward potential.

What are the key constraints that could slow down the explosion of innovation in healthcare?

Key constraints include the human management challenge of building a team-oriented, sub-specialized investment firm, the shortage of management talent in the industry, and regulatory changes like the IRA that impact the financial incentives for developing certain types of drugs.

How does the healthcare sector's PR problem impact the industry?

The healthcare sector has a PR problem because the revenue phase, which looks better than other industries, overshadows the high failure rates and long, capital-intensive development phases. This leads to public and regulatory scrutiny, especially regarding out-of-pocket costs for drugs, which are often directed at drug companies rather than the broader healthcare system.

What role does M&A play in the healthcare sector, and how does it impact smaller companies?

M&A is critical in the healthcare sector as it allows large companies to replace expiring patents and small companies to access distribution. It is necessary for the success of both, ensuring that drugs reach patients efficiently and that investors have exits to recycle capital into new innovations.

What is the current outlook for the biotech sector in 2024?

The biotech sector has been in a bear market for the last three years, but with innovation booming and valuations low, there is significant opportunity. RTW Investments sees this as a good time for tactical investments and is very active in the space.

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The healthcare investment landscape is unique due to the three phases of drug investment: a long, revenue-less, capital-intensive development phase; a strong revenue phase with pricing power; and a rapid revenue decline phase requiring constant reinvention. Biotech's existence heavily relies on deep US capital markets, resulting in numerous small public companies and challenges for large firms to maintain dominance.
  • Three phases of drug investment: long development, strong revenue, rapid decline
  • High capital intensity in development phase
  • Biotech heavily reliant on US capital markets
  • Challenges for large pharma companies to maintain dominance

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Today we are breaking down healthcare, one of the most impactful sectors in the world, yet one of the most unique for investors. My guests are Rod Wong), founder and CIO of RTW Investments, and Stephanie Sirota), chief business officer of RTW Investments.

RTW was founded in 2009 and operates a sector-specific strategy in healthcare. We discuss the evolution of their model, which feels particularly important given how much it aligns with the healthcare investment process. 

We cover the various phases of drug investments, the unique dynamics of founders and team building, and we get into some of the more philosophical discussions around regulation in the industry. Please enjoy this breakdown on healthcare.

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Show Notes

(00:00:00) Welcome to Business Breakdowns

(00:07:50) Phases of Healthcare Product Lifecycle

(00:09:03) Challenges and Opportunities in Biotech

(00:14:01) Investment Strategies in Healthcare

(00:16:47) The Evolution of RTW and Team Structure

(00:20:11) Public and Private Market Dynamics

(00:26:24) Gene Therapy: A Case Study

(00:33:08) Future of Healthcare Innovation

(00:46:11) Global Biotech Landscape: US Dominance and International Opportunities

(00:48:29) Big Pharma Winners and Losers: A Decade in Review

(00:51:11) Impact of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) on Drug Development

(00:54:55) Regulatory Changes and Their Impact on Innovation

(01:10:08) M&A in Biotech: A Critical Component for Success

(01:15:57) GLP-1 Drugs: Market Impact and Future Prospects

(01:20:38) Current Biotech Market: Opportunities and Future Outlook