Ep 56：Voice of Bodhisattva comes from underground Shrine（guest：Damian）<
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Okay, our guests, Da Ming.

Hello. Hello, Jan. Please introduce yourself to the audience. Okay. I am Damien, and I am a Swedish citizen hanging out in Shanghai for the past 10 years. And I find myself... You're Japanese, please. Yeah, okay. I'm Shanghainese.

Yes. It's a fucking 10 years. That's true. Actually, I've probably been in China more than I've been in Sweden. I'll break the record. I actually only spent about 16 years in Sweden. Then I moved. I moved to Canada. Yeah. And then I spent seven years there and now I'm at

at around like 10, 11 years in China. Yeah. I'm going to overtake my Swedishness with China soon. Yeah, but the same, I think. But in Canada, you didn't even French speak, so. No, no. I thought I was going to learn French. I thought I went there and I knew nothing about Canada. And I was like,

cool, I'm going to go to sort of like learn French. It's going to be like a socialist country like Sweden. It's going to be excellent. And then I ended up in Calgary, which is like the Texas of Canada. So a lot of yee-haw and a lot of English. But we all love Calgary's FM. Calgary's good. Yeah. I mean, it's small. It's cozy. Yeah.

The art scene and the music scene feels like a little village, which, yeah, it's quite nice. Yeah, it's very quite nice. At least seven years ago. Or at least ten years ago. And now you're a new Shanghainese, I think. Yes, yes. It's ten years and open a new practice room space for all the bands here. It's very interesting here. Healthier and more productive. Look at it. And I gauge on antibiotics.

Okay, next section is our performance review. This time Shanghai gets a bunch of noise again. Actually the recording time is the end of the second day. Seeing some fabulous artists, some big names in the noise genre just like Vomiya yesterday, you know, again not doing anything just standing here and get a hoodie on. They're always doing that shit, right?

Yeah. Okay. For the noise artists. So what's your opinion about what you see yesterday? There are multiple facets of it to look at. For me, the part that I'm the most happiest. Yeah.

Yeah. Is that I just see it every year come back and there's more and more people and more and more engagement. Yeah. And whatever the genre of music is, I'm just happy people are going to experience stuff together. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of cool. It's kind of funny because I'm honestly mostly at home now.

or work or like working on the studio, always kind of busy. So I personally don't get to go out and experience these things as much, but I'm always happy to see it. It was very interesting to see the opening jam on my moments. Sorry, sorry for that. I just miss it, you know, and I know that it will be a lot of noise because all the tenders on the stage and get multiple, you know,

I mean, both of them speak there and just bowling out for the first time. I mean, that's what it's supposed to be. It's a bunch of noise. So it was kind of fun to see all of those amps lined up and everyone's just like, some grooving along. Yeah, just like yesterday, you know, like the Shanghai Underground production beat track group.

or the musician which I've grew. This video is all past, one bypass, one bypass. Everybody is saying, what the hell is happening? It's really okay. But last night, what I see is the most interesting one for the lineup is Taisesa. Tell me more about it. Yeah, Taisesa. Taisesa is a Japanese electronic...

I like the idol stuff, but idol stuff into the noise genre. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, that one is fabulous. Last night is crazy for her, just doing all the Japanese tradition music mixed with the noise. It's not Japan noise. It's just tradition with the noise.

See, I really appreciate that take on it because for me, all the different genres, including noise, is sort of just like a way to express different emotions. Yeah. And I like it when you...

Try to take something raw like that and try to shape it in into a story. Yeah. Yes, like the type of noise that I like the most is when it's intentionally placed in spaces where normally you wouldn't find it. Yeah. So it becomes surprising. Yeah, that's the surprising. That's the sweet point. Yeah. Yeah. See, if it's just noise all the way, then my expectations are already met. Yeah. And I like it more when I'm surprised.

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Here is our performance review and the next section will be the same discussion. So as a notice for all the audience, I was sitting in the practice room to record this episode. It's very...

More meaningful, right? I need to record an episode with the venue, in the venue. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's the spirit of this show. And here's the first question that please introduce the shrine, how it's happening and also Dizang. Okay. Well, as you know, I'm in the band Dizang, right? Yeah. And throughout our early years,

We used to be at different practice rooms. How many practice rooms? Around Changning, like, you know, Juju Studios, Con Trail, when it existed. We were up north for a little bit, tried different, blah, blah, blah. We were at our friend's seaway, her place also.

It's always like, I don't know if you see my setup, but it's always like lugging around a lot of different stuff everywhere, setting it up. I see it before two years ago, just after the pandemic, and I got the pictures here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we had all of that, and it started to become a little bit dreadful.

Yeah. Yeah.

But I see you practice on Yuying Town. Yeah, in the pandemic, you got it. Yuying Town got some live show and maybe you use that platform. I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. Yeah, Yuying Town, they got WeChat Live or the video live. Oh, that was...

different thing a long time ago for one song that we wanted to do. That one, that particular song, I would say start of us using more brass and woodwinds inside of our arrangements. But if I continue with the story of how the Shrine came along. So after the lockdown in 2022, I had a lot of energy and

And I really felt that we needed a home. That's right. Yeah. You don't want to change your practice song everywhere. All the time. I think in order to continue, I felt that we needed a home. And beyond us needing a home, I also felt that even after so many years of being a band in Shanghai, I always felt a certain distance between other bands. Even if they were...

actually kind of close to us. Like they started around the same time we gigged together, blah, blah, blah, all of that. And coming back to what I experienced in Calgary, I felt that maybe what we need is a little bit of a community over here. But that's not something, not just Calgary,

in the venues but where we're working if you work next to each other you can inspire each other you can help each other with different protection I mean everything like say for example we have Peach Illusion over here and D-Zang and Dominic Trigger whatever all of us over here and even we don't make the same music we are undertaking similar struggles everybody testing different things but

But in all of these conversations that we're having, we can get new and fresh ideas.

to our music or to how we run things like the social media or nurse and stuff like that. Yeah, get inspired. You can get inspired. You can get inspired to continue. I don't believe there are any great artists that have grown in isolation. I think there's always a community around it. Yeah. And I just want the same for us. So anybody here at the Shrine, I

have some requirements and that's that you gotta be ambitious yeah you gotta have a good attitude and you gotta be ambitious then come here join in yeah it's a membership thing

Certification I think I gotta trust them That's all Yeah yeah yeah You must have seen them On a stage Before I think Is that a No no Not necessarily On a demo or something You can join The fry I mean Some of the bands That have joined now Are New and never been on stage Oh But They've come in And they've practiced And they maybe They haven't been Like full members But they've like Gotten like

it hourly like a normal band practice room but I see their ambition and I see their tastes and things over time and I build that trust now they're friends and now I'm like okay yeah and they need to be interviewed right

Yes, yes, yes. I am the gatekeeper. Yeah, you need to trust. Otherwise, you know, some bands or the junior, you know, like the college bands, they do not know the rules or, you know. Yeah, it's just like cleaning up spilled beer and stuff is not on my... I don't desire that very much. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you mentioned that Di Zhang is earlier than the Shrine. That's what I noticed. Yeah, a lot earlier. A lot earlier. So more talk about Di Zhang, that's how the bands came from. For the audience, we got some background that Di Zhang, I think, is the most international band.

membership band in Shanghai for that where you came from like Kevin is from Thailand you're from Sweden and Canada Dashu is from you know Xiamen or study overseas and came back and do group so how did came up and how did it came the idea you will get a band together

It's not something that was setting stone right away. It's something that grew organically. There are many different threads that are happening at the same time that ultimately weave together. Di Zhang initially was actually stemming from Da Xu's personal experience.

Idea? Yeah, he's been working on songs for a long time. He originally wanted to have sort of like Jack White and Meg White type of thing, the white stripes, like two people in a band. But in one of the songs, he wanted to have a flute, for example.

Really? And that's, he went and found somebody and that person was not suitable. Just not suitable. Like a little bit too classically trained mentality. But they referred him to Lulu. Yeah. And...

Similarly for myself, me and Dashu had actually played with each other for a while at that time. There is a rumor that Di Zhang is early in the Yu Yintang's jam night. Is that correct? I wouldn't say that it was early Yu Yintang jam. For me, my experience of it...

is we started with the Niaot and Florian, me and Colin's collaboration. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We started with the Niaot and Florian from Zhang Lang Xiu Tian. We had a project called They Out. We parted ways with, and Florian and Niaot continued over there. And me and Colin... He loves to beat the drums, rap.

out of his set just to yeah yeah it's cool it's awesome yeah

So Joey was Dashu calling. Well, we continued and we jammed and different projects and different things for a little bit. And then after a while, he invited me to come and play synth on D-Zone. Yeah. Now me as a guitarist. Yeah. I don't know. Synth. Okay. Okay. Fine.

So you found each other. Now we're big leagues. Yeah. Corona. Yeah. That's a long time after. Yeah. Also, at the same time, Colin is out on jamming with different people. And he happened to jam with Kevin one night.

And then from there everybody get together. We had trombone and trumpet in the beginning, but that didn't work out. Like I mentioned, that Yu Yintang that you mentioned before, that video thing, that was the first time that we started to think about having the sax and brass and stuff more inside.

Colin took his time and arranged a lot for that song. Yeah. And that's when Corona joined in. Yeah. Was not one of the core members for two years kind of thing. He was a little bit on the outside because he has so much other stuff going on. Usually he's a next choice. Maybe in the next

next half of the year I think he'll be interesting I think he'll be very interesting he will go on and he will tell you all the Taoist stuff yeah very charming

Yeah, he's the only full-time musician. So he was like so busy with other stuff. But after a while, it's like, you want to be part of the core? And he's like, yes. Yes. So here we are. Yeah, here you are. And back to Shrine. So I have look at this new Shrine just to move and settle now.

But I'm fortunate to get a tour or a watch in the old Shrine in the nearby Yuntang. Also fabulous. So currently how many bands are in Shrine now? I think it's currently at around seven or eight. Seven or eight for rehearsal? Yeah, like membership type of thing. Sharing the times throughout the whole week.

Some people use it for recording. Some people use it for, for long practice, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. Let me see what the number is right now. Some people are taking a little bit of a break because of life. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

But say, for example, when we came in here, there were two more members added. Yeah. All of the other bands sort of kind of stayed, except for that one band that took a big break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes always bands get a break. Yeah. In the production room, they're still primarily Mao Mao from China.

It used to be the Laoban from Elevator. Oh. He's in the production room. Yeah. And some other people. Yeah, it's all kind of the same. All kind of the same. And so there is a tricky question. Which band do you most want to see at the Shrine or the invited? Have Shrine invited bands? From outside? Yeah, from outside? Yeah.

Like I mentioned, I need to get to know, I need to talk and chill and make sure everything's okay. But you're a recruiter, so... Oh, no. Okay, so I don't really hunt for people. I don't advertise or anything. This is our private little space, so there's no need for me to go out and... Do marketing stuff. No, no.

But you still get the WeChat video official account and Instagram? Yeah, but that's for sharing, not for recruiting. I mean, maybe next year I'll open up another room, which is much more convenient to have two band rooms, mind you. But you have a drum room and now a practice room, right? Yeah, I'll probably still open up a...

second practice room because that was always really beneficial for everybody. Again, it's a private space where we just have enough time to really explore our creativity. That's the point, right? To work along each other, to have these two rooms so two bands can be at the same time and random connections can happen. Yeah, but you need another schedule app or something to book the room. Is that... No, no, no.

Everyone's pretty set on their schedule. If they want any changes, they just message or ask each other or message me. Okay. It's not too much. Okay. It's for an open source. It's like, okay, so I come from a makerspace of...

work environment yeah so if you're familiar with makerspaces those are spaces where you get different hardware different machinery that's way too expensive for any one person yeah to invest in yeah and then you go in there and share yeah

Yeah, just like you're saying, it's all open source, it's creative commons and stuff like that. Similarly here. Actually, most of the equipment is mine, but some of them people bring in and share. Yeah, that's the spirit, I think. That's the spirit. Yeah. And there is another tricky question. What do you think is the most difficult thing about running a band and also a rehearsal room? Time. Time.

Time. Time is the trickiest thing for anything. Time and energy. Yeah. So it's not so much just about the band and the practice room. It is also family and regular work. And yeah, the balance. Yes, the balance between all different ones can be...

very tricky to manage. We think both of we, yeah. Because, you know, I just to record this episode after the second day of the bunch of noise and then we'll leave to see the third day and in next week I will go to Chengdu for the, you know...

There's only so much energy and it's always tricky to know what to prioritize. And sometimes, like this move, the shrine move, was not something that we were looking for. I wasn't like, oh, it's time to move. Nah, the old basement got closed with very short notice. And then it was like a question of... It must be a disaster for you. It was a challenge, let's just say that.

But it made other tasks that I wanted to have done. Yeah.

be so delayed. Yeah. Because now all the focus became on, okay, we got to continue this community. I think it's worth it. Yeah. And I think everybody will need a continued sense of home, not to worry about this for any future recordings and blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. All of that. We just need that space. Yeah. I could have just closed it down. So like all of my January, you just,

It took a lot of energy to get this set up. Yeah, yeah. It's still not done, mind you. There's still stuff, like the other day, I finally got the new storage space. So now I can organize and clean a little bit more. Yeah, it's like everything needs to be optimized. And the same as the social media and what I have done is the same after...

I have to rest a long time, actually, this year to go through all the meme page stuff and know how the rules are. I mean, that's one of the reasons as to why I'm not even attempting to do social media currently. Because I'm like, if I try to do that on top of everything else... Yeah, just lose all the energy. Yeah.

It's already tough, but it's getting better. Yeah. Work's good. Life's good. All the balance. Yeah. This over here, like if you're going to set something up, you had one of the questions on the sheet over here. Yeah. How long does it take to set up a studio? Prioritize. What's the most important right now? Yeah. So what is the function that you...

need the most yeah the soonest so for me the first thing was to set this up not fully this room is not set up fully yet yeah but it's functional yeah so everybody can get started i can do more soundproofing i can put this up over there i can organize more yeah etc etc things about ambience but

Everybody can work now, at the very least. And that happened in the same week that we moved. Same thing for the production room. It got done so you could use it. But that doesn't mean that it's done so that it's settled. It's more engineering or management stuff, right? Yeah. There's always improvements you can do. If you're doing this while you're...

having so much on your plate. It's just a matter about prioritizing what's important right now and sort of accepting that it's not going to be finished right away. - Yeah, yeah. Let's move on with some easiest part of music. What we talk about is more, you know, let me to think of my word exactly.

I hate to bring it to you, but if you want to do music properly, it will eventually become a little bit of work also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is why it's awesome to have managers. Yeah. Shout out KK. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like I'm doing the artist management too. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Okay, they got requirements. That's what I thought about today. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Let's talk about music. It's more... Okay, okay. Yeah, fun. It's up to you. I'm good with all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's for the shine part. And here is for the design part. You know, design span genre is more avant-garde, right? Sure, if you want to call it. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to define, but it's avant-garde to me. Cool, cool. Yeah, it'll always be quite...

niche in China. So how do you think about making such a style with calling? With everyone, I think it's just coming out naturally for us. So if anybody has an idea that they bring up, we will always just look at it and bring our own influences to it.

Yeah. That's all there is to it. We bring our own influences to it, but we also review it and craft it and work on it over a longer period of time. Yeah. Always trying to, again, just like I mentioned with the noise, always trying to surprise ourselves as much as we're not necessarily doing it for the audience. Yeah.

But I think they still need audience or you still need audience. We are the audience. I'm a picky audience member. Yeah, me too. But I think all the art genre or the music genre, sound genre needs audience. For yesterday, the Vomia actually on the stage but doing nothing, just...

sound war and nothing change yeah for 20 minutes but there is audience to see that that's interesting it's you know more like performance art or something every genre needs our audience that's my opinion for that I agree like it needs to be shared and needs to be out there yeah uh

What I'm saying is that when we're creating something, we're not like, hey, what's the most popular type of beat? Yeah, yeah. That's the difference. So why choose avant-garde? That's what I... We're not choosing avant-garde. We're choosing ideas that we... Like somebody comes up with an idea. Yeah. Somebody reacts to it. Yeah. We jam on it. We generate new ideas around that idea. Yeah.

We craft it. We work on it. We listen to it. We go like, you know, for me. It's okay. It's okay.

For me, I need something this way. Yeah. Or for me, I need something this way. Yeah. It's just to create a sense of surprise and fulfillment for us. That's what I mean with we're not going for the audience. Yeah. When we are up there and showing, yes, of course, we're sharing. We're showing everyone. So that's the time you need some art management or, you know, the marketing at that time, I think. Yeah.

At that time, we do need the marketing and stuff like that. But again, I'm not going to personally prioritize it. Personally, I'm not going to prioritize it yet. When that time comes. Yeah. Yeah. Contact me. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing that's most fabulous to me is your first album. That one. Is that like a shock in 2022? I'm not entirely sure what you mean first album.

We don't have an album out yet. But actually, for all the Chinese audience, they will use Natix. Ah, the EP. EP, yeah. EP. It's not, yeah. For us, it's maybe the first album. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. That one surprised me. And, you know, many avant-garde group chat just, okay, Di Zhang is doing some nice stuff. That one is very fabulous. And another time in 2023,

You released the track Morning in Cincinnati Alley, that right? Yeah, yeah. That shocked me too. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Remember the first time I contacted you? You're doing this shit? Yeah.

Tell me about your reaction. Yeah, you're doing this shit. It's so fabulous. It's with, you know, the Sansany stuff inside it. And you change it to a Vanguard to another electronic version. That one is, you know, interests me most. It's not like the old stuff in the Yizhang. It's more like the new version of the Yizhang, like that. Yizhang

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So how's the collaboration? And it's a virus artist. It's not just the album. They got a lot of from the Sound Blank, Lu, and also, you know, KOL from the Cincinnati side. So how's the, you know, production or the collaboration came from? So that song was actually made a long, maybe not a long time before, but it was made before that compilation album was suggested. Yeah.

We were approached by a clothing brand to collaborate with them, and they wanted to do something more artsy. Yeah. I think in their mind, they had something like acoustic, like AC jam sort of thing in their mind. So it was a clothing brand. Yeah, originally, originally. And there was some miscommunication, and we ended up doing like...

full-scale song on it. Don't know what to say about it. I mean... It's came out? I can tell you the specific story of that. So, I guess the original idea for that one, overarching theme and the melodies that you hear, originally came from me playing around with the OP-Z a little bit. We did a few different jams and

And we just started recording really quickly. Yeah. Colin came up with this poetic vocal line and stuff like that. And then, like I mentioned before, everyone just threw different ideas. I took it...

Chop, chop, fry it a little bit. My personal journey with that song is that it was actually a learning project for me. I started to learn production and like the mixing with that project, which was very valuable for me. And I think where we are now, I really appreciate that we released that song. Yeah.

Without any marketing. Again, it was for the clothing brand. Yeah. It was commissioned. Yeah, it's commissioned. Yeah, but it's fascinating to me. And it's always connected with me that with the impression of the design. Actually, every time I watch your performance on a stage, the words came in, my brain is evolution.

Every time, just surprise me, you are doing every time you are adding some new shit in that, right? So how does that happen? And is there any method to maintain this status? There's a deep desire to keep ourselves entertained.

just surprising ourselves and we also get better as musicians yeah like I mentioned in the beginning I did not know how to play keyboard I did not know what a synth is but over time yeah I've learned yeah um

I spend a lot of time and effort, especially when I switch to my current instrument, to not just be able to play it, but to be able to imagine and hear through the instruments. The instruments are like extensions of our souls or our creativity, right? Yeah, yeah. The more mastery I get, or the more mastery anybody else gets of their instruments, the more we can express, even on these old compositions. Yeah, yeah. That's fabulous to me. And...

Can't wait to see you next show, maybe in the performance recommendation. Yeah, that one. For Will, yeah. Yeah, it'll be fun. That'll be a good one. The last question is that is any more future plan for the band? Yes.

Obviously, on the agenda is to... Always delay? Honestly, yes. Always delay. Always, always, always. Like, say for example, I should have been working on the album right now, but last year we said yes to a project from us. Yeah. Thinking that would be done in January. We're still working on it. It's good shit. It's good shit. Okay. But...

That is taking time from the album production. Yeah. So how long will be, it will be released. And I will not give it any commission. Just, just the commission. Yeah. Oh dude, the last one. I hope that it's finished this week. I don't know if you'll be able to hear it this week. That's not up to us. Okay. But I can sneakily give you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just like I sent this, you know, yeah. Teaser for you. Yeah. Okay. Uh,

But when it's released, that's up to Vaas. Yeah. I think they're waiting for also recordings from Vanishing Queen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Me and My Sandcastle, they've already done their recordings. Yeah. So, yeah. Then...

After everybody submitted stuff, then I think, I don't know. It's really up to us when that comes out. Yeah. But as soon as that finish, then I'm back on album production. Yeah. I know. Do not disturb me. Yeah. Do not push me. You know, I got a promise for my audience too. Just, okay. Just one episode, one month. Yeah. Sometimes.

No, what I mean is like, there's no sudden need to move the studio. Yeah, yeah. There's no blah, blah, blah. So I will block everything. That's the, you know, magical stuff or the, you know, the hidden stuff from the music industry that a lot of things is hidden, right? Yeah. For the audience, oh, we got these things. I love that. So when K, now, you know, something is behind, you know, CEO. Yeah.

I think it would be easier if we were all full time. Yeah. And obviously everything would be easier. But everybody has work. Yeah. Everybody has family. Yeah. So. That's for the ordinary condition of the musicians in Shanghai or in the ground. Yeah.

I think it's an okay balance to have, though. Equally, though, I don't think I would want to be, personally, because I have a family, I don't want to be starving at the same time as I do. So it's a compromise. Yeah, it needs more investment or more to find an investor. That's what art management needs, right? Yeah, eventually when we have a product, art,

our album I think it will maybe be more like that is that E.T.B. not your album I always think that one will be your album which one Iza Iza no that was a EP that's like demos this is really cute it's really cute but everybody is standing out oh the album is good yeah

Thanks, thanks. I hope everyone will enjoy what's coming then. Okay, here is our same discussion. Healthier and more productive. Okay, in a cage. On antibiotics.

Okay, next section will be our album recommendation. Here is Demin and O'Fran. Just please. You always listen to some new shit. Just fast forward this section. Honestly, for the last month, I've only been listening to the thing that we're recording.

But when you showed me the video of that lady playing at the noise, it made me think of sampling and made me think of one of my favorite groups that I used to sample way before computers was a thing. And that's The Books. The Books. The Books and the album The Lemon of Pink. Yeah.

The Lemon of Pink. Yeah, which was a very important album for me growing up. Okay, great. Thanks for your recommendation. And this time I will recommend another interesting band for the audience. It's Passport Outdo.

And they were performance in Beijing before and their new album is called "Orguit" It's a avant-garde maybe mixed with some you know mass rock and sesame things just like "Morning" Yeah, that one is fabulous and I cannot wait to see them to more performance in Shanghai Why last time in Beijing not in Shanghai? Yeah, this is our album recommendation today

Okay, next section is our performance recommendation and this episode will be out before this performance. I hopefully, if it's after, do not blame me, is our friend Wills presents a live China music present. It's called Cosmico Eggs or Cosmico.

Cosmic eggs. Yeah, yeah, Inspector is cool. Yeah, yeah, cool. And D-Zone will be the performance in that lineup. Well, I'm really excited for the post-spring... Wait. Yeah, post-spring hill. Hill tour? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, hill, hill. Yeah, yeah. And I listened to their stuff on Bandcamp and it sounds awesome. Yeah, they are evolving too. But last time I see them in Yuntown...

Fabulous. They are the big star in the lineup. And also, after that show, they released their new EP or something, Evolving. And this time, let's see. Sounds great. Yeah, yeah. And also, let's not forget, and Corporation.net too. Yeah.

I'm trying to unban with Anku in this every time. Of course, also evolving. Yeah, also evolving. They are doing some practice for Dunk in joshing. But yeah, let's see. Here is our performance recommendation. This is the Underground Music Sound Magazine facing the future. The leader singer is that...

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The crescendo just asked him this year, but not have... What? Did they not reply? They got reply, but they are not full of timetable. Next year, next year. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. Okay, let's do make me think. Do say make think. Yeah, do say make think. Do make think.

Okay, let's hear. Thanks for listening. And let's see in our next episode. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye-bye.

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This is pronounced Bodhisattva. Yeah, Bodhisattva. Is that okay for you? Yeah, it's all good. This is your creative endeavor and it's totally chill whatever you go for it. As long as it's not something that would be like, ha ha ha, Kevin's a big bum bum or something like that. Why would you do that? Exactly.