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England set up ultimate finale against India at Headingley | Man Utd move in on Mbuemo | Chelsea struggle with Club World Cup temperatures

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Teddy Draper: 英格兰队与印度队的板球比赛进入最后一天,形势激动人心。英格兰队展现出一种文化转变,他们不再满足于平局,而是充满信心地追求胜利。这种转变给比赛注入了新的活力,也让球迷们对英格兰队的未来充满期待。 Charlotte Duncker: 英格兰队在比赛中展现出永不放弃的精神,即使在看似不利的局面下,他们仍然坚持战斗,并最终创造了机会。这种精神感染了球迷,也让人们对英格兰队的实力充满信心。天气因素可能会对比赛产生影响,但英格兰队已经做好了充分的准备,他们有能力克服困难,赢得比赛。 John Cross: 我非常欣赏英格兰队这种勇往直前的精神,他们敢于冒险,敢于挑战,不畏惧任何对手。这种精神是英格兰队取得成功的关键,也是他们赢得球迷支持的原因。我期待看到英格兰队在比赛中继续展现出这种精神,为球迷们带来更多惊喜。

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Welcome to Back Pages, bringing you everything you need to know about the biggest sports stories making the headlines in the morning's newspapers. I'm Teddy Draper and joining me at the Times football reporter Charlotte Dunker and the Mirror's chief football writer John Cross. Welcome to both.

OK, let's start with the front of the Telegraph then, that cricket story. Josh Tung celebrating with Brighton Cast there joyously after three wickets in four balls turned the match for England, really. Tung says target of 371 holds no fear for Baz Baller. Charlotte, they said Test cricket is dead, but this has brought it to life more than a little bit, hasn't it? Oh, it's set up for a fascinating final day, isn't it? I mean...

batting in the last half an hour of the day means they need, what, 350 to win. So I think there was times in the day where it looked like India could really run away with it and it would have made England's job even harder tomorrow. But we know what this England team's like. They're definitely not going to go out and settle for a draw. So yeah, there should be some really fascinating and exciting cricket for everyone to watch tomorrow. It is going to be nailed

But we do hope the weather stays away. John, back page of The Guardian then. We can chase anything. Tongue confident of victory after his late blitz keeps England alive. There's been a real cultural shift, I suppose, in cricket and particularly with England, John, where you just get the sense they are going to go for it. The draw is almost being treated with disdain when you read the comments.

Absolutely. I love it, though, don't you, Teddy? I mean, I just think it's really good rabble-rousing stuff from Josh Tung, you know, sort of kind of a no wonder, you know, I think three wickets from four balls. And I think it's an incredibly exciting day of action. Sorry to not actually be able to watch much of it at all, really, just kind of caught up with it sort of on the end, because what a fascinating day.

sort of unfolding of it. I think it was the Telegraph on the front page of their pullout that basically, I think the sort of kind of the subject refers to the kind of the Baz Ballers. And that's what it's about, isn't it really? It's kind of, you mentioned that shift in kind of attitude and sort of kind of approach to it.

And I think that's fantastic from an England point of view to see them really going on the front foot, chasing it down. We're not interested in the draw, playing safe. And yes, they've kind of got maybe, I think what's being referred to as a tricky pitch in those comments tomorrow and potentially the weather as well, but they're going for it. You know, there's no sense of kind of playing safe or being sort of kind of, you know, sort of really sort of trying to defend and sort of kind of go for the draw. They're absolutely going for it. Is it,

It's a different style of cricket. It's a different approach, an attacking style of cricket. And I think that's what's made it so exciting and so fascinating to watch in the last few days. It really has set it up, though, as well, because of that run chase. You're looking at sort of kind of breaking records and going very close to things that have never been done before. So only the 350 to get on the final day.

who says it can't be done. Brilliant. I do appreciate we're speaking to two football reporters as well, Charlotte, but the fact is it's on the back pages of the papers. And is that indicative of this desire for England to entertain? And how important is that in sport now in this multimedia world to get on the back pages, to get the attention online and on our television screens?

Well, the reason why it's on the back pages is because England could create history tomorrow if they win. So it's on there for a good reason. Like you say, mine and John's expertise is more in the football side, but this is sport and it's fascinating to see, especially there were times today when it looked like England were going to be down and out. And then after the way that they batted at the end of the day, it's given them that little bit of hope. And it's that hope that keeps people watching these games, doesn't it? I mean, like I said, it looked like they could have been chasing a

A bigger thing, it could have been India's last six wickets fell for 31, which obviously really helps England. So some amazing batting by Pant and Rahul for India. But England tomorrow, I don't know. Like you say, it's the weather, this unpredictable English weather. Can it hold out? Can England do what they've done? I mean, look back to the Ashes in 2019, wasn't it? Look what Stokes did there. So can we have a repeat of that? I'm sure people will be glued to the TV sets to see if they're down.

Absolutely. Let's keep our fingers crossed. It's amazing that a sport was invented in this country that you can't play when it rains, given how much it does rain. But that's where we are. And that adds to the drama, I suppose, tomorrow. Let's talk football. Cricket actually leads in the back page of the star, Charlotte. I'll stay with you for this because I know you're across this story with Manchester United. Olly Gamp reporting United in £60m bribe bid. Brian Mbomo. Charlotte, what can you tell us? How close do you think Manchester United are to landing the Brentford man?

Yeah, I think it's getting a lot closer. We obviously know that their first bid, which was around £45 million plus five in add-ons, was rejected. Brentford were looking at just over £60 million, I think, for their forward. So I think we're getting a lot closer to that target price that Brentford are after. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is one that Manchester United do manage to get over the line. We obviously knew that

after they managed to get Cooney. Liam De Lappe was obviously their number one target in the forward positions. They lost out on him to Chelsea after they managed to get Cooney through the line and Buemo was the one that they've been looking to secure. So the idea is to get as much as Ruben Amorim's squad in place before they return to

training which I think is on the 7th of July so be good if they could get this deal over the line quickly get him integrated into the group as soon as they return and it could be a really interesting signing for them this is a guy who scored 20 Premier League goals last season if you look at Manchester United's top two goal scorers in the league last season it was Ahmad and Bruno Fernandes who got eight each so they really are desperate for goals up that end of the pitch and

I still do think they need a specialist number nine to contribute with those goals to bring competition to Rasmus Hoyland because he didn't have a very good campaign last season but he's definitely another one to add some attacking flair and different dynamic to that Manchester United forward line if they can get it over the line which

We've obviously not heard from the Brentford side yet whether they're going to accept this bid, but we do know that Manchester United have submitted a second bid, which is believed to be in excess of £60 million. It's going to be interesting to see what Brentford's response is. Martin Blackburn in the Sun carries the story as well. Red Hot referenced the hot part to Chelsea's struggles in Philadelphia, which John can talk about a little bit later. But the red bid is Man Utd's second bid of £60 million this year.

for Mbombo. Martin Blackburn does point out here, John, that he was also wanted by his old boss, Thomas Frank, at Tottenham Hotspur. We're having a chat pre-show, though, and you were just saying that maybe Spurs have only served to ratchet up the price a little bit. What's your take on the way this is playing out? Yeah.

It does feel a bit like that, Teddy, really. It feels as if there's... If you've only got one club that's really serious on a player, then I do think you're lacking a kind of the market value and the market price pushing up on a player who I think is absolutely outstanding. I do think he's fantastic. He's so exciting to watch, particularly when he's sort of kind of out on the right, cutting in on, you know, sort of on the left-hand side. And I just think he's absolutely...

A terrific player with pace, with real strength and great decision-making. Fantastic output, as Charlotte mentioned, in terms of goals and assists. And I genuinely think that this guy can really light up the Premier League. And I do feel as if along the way there,

he's probably made it clear that his preferred destination is Manchester United and Old Trafford, which is all well and good, but not very helpful to Brentford, frankly, because if they're trying to sort of kind of get a price and the player's made his mind up, it's not particularly helpful. I do get the impression that Brentford were braced for this. Brentford...

such a well-run football club and they kind of always get their ducks in a row before things happen and so they kind of line things up they're determined to keep Visser I kind of think they're a brace for Frank going but I do wonder whether almost Spurs have been a bit of a Trojan horse you know in sort of kind of

making things happen by sort of kind of I'm sure Thomas Frank would have been interested in his former player knows what he can do and therefore it's kind of worked in their favour that Spurs undoubtedly there's been an interest there they've made a bid haven't they so but I do think that maybe it's done everyone a favour really particularly for Brentford because if they kind of got the inkling that the player really fancies Man United

then I'm afraid to say there's not much of a market going on. Spurs created one and the price has then duly gone up. And I do think even if United can get him just over 60 million quid, I think that's a good bit of business. I really do. I think it also speaks to United's pulling power, the history of the club and the sort of the glamour and the dream of the club, which has clearly been sold to Mbwemo. If they can do that and Kunya already done,

then I actually think that United are on course for a pretty exceptional window. Interesting that it says Martin Blackburn reports, Charlotte, that Newcastle also interested, but Brentford now weighing up this offer from Manchester United. Talking of United's transfer policy more broadly, follows on the heels potentially of the signing already done of Kunio, Charlotte. Is there a change attack here? Amarim's not bringing in players from Portugal the way that Ten Hag brought in players from Dutch football.

Yeah, I don't think it's just Amarim's change in tact. I think if you obviously look at the change in the football recruitment department, Jason Wilcox has become football director and he's working closely with Christopher Vival and he's working closely with Omar Barada as well. So I think between the three of them, this is their first big transfer window that they feel the need to get it right. And like you said, they're turning to Premier League proven talent, of which Kunio obviously is and Buemo is.

De Lappe was, obviously he's gone to Chelsea and other players that they're looking at as well have got Premier League proven experience. My colleague did a piece at the weekend saying Jonathan Norcroft, £1.7 billion of Manchester United have spent on transfers since 2013. They've only brought in 10 established players from Premier League clubs. If you compare that to other clubs at the top, fighting at the top of the Premier League, say in the top six, for example,

they've favored a lot more going for this premier league experience and these teams have gone on and won titles so it's about getting that fine balance isn't it finding those hidden gems from abroad bringing them in bringing that flair bringing that excitement to the league but also you need those players who know exactly what it takes in the pressure cooker of the premier league Rasmus Hoyland for example is one of those players who looks at the minute like you just can't cut it in this league whereas we know that Mbwemo can score 20 goals a season so I

I think they're looking at that as a model at the minute and they're thinking if we can get these players in who don't take one, two, three seasons to bed in and can hit the ground running, this Manchester United team needs to hit the ground running straight away next season because they're already under so much pressure given the disaster that was the last campaign. So yeah, it is a change intact in terms of the transfer strategy. It's not necessarily a remarkable one. Plenty of other Premier League teams have been doing this for years. Manchester United used to do it. Look at the

players that they brought in in the past, Wayne Rooney, Edwin van der Sar. They've been successful in their pursuits in the past of poaching from other Premier League teams, but it's just not something we've seen in the recent past. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how it pays off for them. But both of those signings, if Mbomo obviously gets over the line, should be good signings for them. Yeah, both players proven in the Premier League. Charlotte there talking about Rasmus Hoyland. John, I just want to come back to you quickly on how he might fit in Mbomo at

Manchester United. You said he's at his best cutting in off the right-hand side, but Ahmad Diallo is also good at that. Is there any temptation to try and mould him into a nine or have we been down that road before with Rashford at Manchester United? Yeah, I think that would be a shame, if I'm honest. Yes, I could see him doing it because I think he's an outstanding player. I mean, I must say, you know, I think I sort of kind of told this anecdote previously, but basically sort of a former Premier League manager was saying to me, you know, a few weeks back saying that,

wow, why isn't it after the rest of the Premier League after this guy? Because honestly, he kind of likened him to kind of style and kind of ability and level. You know, Salah, basically when Salah joined Liverpool, yes, he had some improving work to do, but he is a player with pace, you know, dynamism. And I think that,

Would you ever have put Salah in the middle? No, you wouldn't. And I just think it's kind of you compromising on the talent there. And basically, you know, I think it would be a shame if United do that. You know, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. And they've kind of got a greater sort of kind of scouting and sort of tactical knowledge than me and sort of kind of got a plan for him. But my idea would be, I think United would be fabulous if they basically had Kunio on one side and Runga on the other. And you'd give them real thrust. And then it's up to other players to kind of really sort of kind of compete and

And sort of that's what you want, a competitive culture about it. And I think that, and Bruno, I do like this player. You probably gathered that by now. And I just think that would be a hell of a coup for United. I do think they also need a nine. You know, I mean...

Hoyland has been such a disappointment, bearing in mind the price that they've paid. There's lots of talk about Nkunku, isn't there, basically, at Chelsea. I wonder whether that can kind of, you know, sort of be something that they could explore. But I feel as if he's not your classic nine either. And I do think it's... I think to make United work in that system, and particularly the way that Amarim likes to play, I do think I'm sure that they'll have to have another look and see what they can do in terms of...

I do think it's worth also mentioning that kind of going back to Spurs, I do think Spurs have clearly had an interest in the player because they're looking at wide options. And I think Eberich Eze, I think he's in a few papers and understandably so. It's something that we did yesterday just to sort of say Spurs looking at their wide options and Bromo is clearly perhaps sort of in United's sights right now. But Eberich,

Eze, if someone can do that for £68 million, which has been widely reported as a sort of a buyout clause, then I also think that's great value. I'm sure Palace will be determined to keep him. But I do think it's quite an interesting one, sort of a bit of a merry-go-round on really talented players in the Premier League and could be a really interesting window in the next few weeks.

Come to you, John, because it's about where you are in Philadelphia, really. The Summer Sun Sizzlers, back page of the Sun. Andrew Dillon here. The hot Maresca heat makes full training impossible. John, what can you tell us? And how warm is it? 40C, 100 Fahrenheit?

It's absolutely scorching, Teddy. Wouldn't you just know you send an Englishman to the United States and he ends up talking, writing and asking about the weather. Who would have thought it? But frankly, yeah, earlier in the day, yeah,

It was about 38 degrees. They are actually issuing weather warnings, extreme heat warnings here, would you believe? They're reporting locally that we are talking about in Philadelphia, the hottest temperatures over the next couple of days for 17 years. And actually, a real heat wave here. Enzo Maresca was talking about kind of not...

not being able to train properly. They've got this sort of training ground. It's actually at Philadelphia Union, sort of the MLS club, about 15 minutes away from the main stadium, which they'll be playing at tomorrow. And frankly, just not being able to train there. Now, listen, you might think it's nine o'clock kickoff tomorrow, but actually the reality is that they're estimating it will still be 30 degrees plus at kickoff time. So it really is a massive consideration for the clubs. And it...

It is a strange one. I was at the Man City game last night in Atlanta. And frankly, at times you wouldn't know because the roof was closed and it was really hot there. But it's an air-conditioned stadium, both inside the press box and actually inside the ground. You're just not feeling it. But there's no protection in Philadelphia, nothing like that. And it is one of the major factors of this competition, actually, really, and particularly what the European teams are having to cope with.

Yeah, Chelsea playing El Tunis at Lincoln Field. I suppose, Charlotte, Philadelphia Eagles, the NFL team, play in the winter when it's usually snowing. But there's another concern here, isn't there, for England, something to bear in mind, because Maresca saying in these quotes in the sun, it's almost impossible to train because of the weather. We're just trying to save energy for the game. Assuming England get their food for thought for Thomas Tuchel, Charlotte, and how he approaches it, maybe tactically?

Yeah definitely well I think for all the players that are going to go to the World Cup next summer it's an indication of what what's lying in store for them and we've already seen haven't we in the last England camp that how they were making them train in those heat tents on the bikes and they were saying how difficult it was sweltering on the bikes for like 45 minutes in over 30 degree heat and that's if England have got a chance of obviously getting far in the tournament those sorts of

are going to be as important for them as the tactics on the pitch and the training that they do day-to-day with the clubs because it's

Maresca is talking there about them not using tiredness as an excuse. They're obviously at the end of a really long season, but the energy is going to be sapped out of them with the heat as well. So England and all the teams that are going to the World Cup next summer, they're going to have to train and adapt to the fact that they are going to have to play in these stifling heats that's going to take everything out of them. So in some ways, it's good training for those players that are at the Club World Cup who want to go back to the World Cup next summer.

to see how they can cope with that, see how they can adapt, see how they can get through it. And fingers crossed for them that they end up getting picked to play in a stadium with air conditioning and not one like John's going to have to go to tomorrow afternoon. I feel like after five minutes of watching, we're going to know, aren't we, the pace of the game is going to be very different, whether it's air conditioned or not. Let's come to you, John, with your reflections on...

on the Club World Cup because Martin Samuel writing in The Times says the Club World Cup is great. In 20 years, we'll be desperate to host it. John, tell us what Martin's had to say and your opinion being out there as well. Yeah, it's a really interesting piece from Martin because he was basically saying, yes, it is fun to watch. We have watched it. We're almost afraid to admit it. Listen, within that piece, in the second half of the piece, he's actually much more critical and sort of realistic about it and has got thoughts.

But I do, listen, I'm an avid Times reader, actually, and basically I really enjoy Martin's columns. But basically, and fair play to him, because a couple of weeks ago, he was actually quite critical of the kind of the FIFA hierarchy and the sort of the politics of it all. But look, within this, he's saying it has been better than I thought it would be. And basically, just because we think that basically in Europe, we should be arrogantly winning it all. And basically, you know, we're not used to kind of the Brazilians, you know,

coming in and kind of really sort of making it their own. My own impressions, I have to say, I've enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Basically, I do think it's got major faults and obviously the biggest single one is too much on the players. It's the workload.

is there and basically it's too many games. The calendar issue is a massive one. But I do think you've seen decent viewing figures. You've seen, yes, there was one appalling sort of attendance in the stadium when Chelsea kind of played their first game in Atlanta. But since then, we've had 40,000, we've had 80,000. It's been a decent sort of attendance watch. They have to absolutely overcome a couple of things, which is the scheduling of it.

the heat and conditions of it, and this ridiculous notion that we're watching the 32 best teams in the world. We're absolutely not. Some of these teams shouldn't be there. And when you see Bayern Munich putting 10 past an opponent, I'm sorry, scale it back, reschedule it, putting in the calendar, make it work. And I do think it's got a future within the game. I know that'll sort of kind of upset and surprise a few people like the traditionalists.

but I'm sorry. We kind of want to see the best teams. We want to see the best players in the world on the biggest stage. And yeah, dare I say, I've quite enjoyed it. It's got major, major faults to kind of rectify, but it's the first one of its type. So maybe there's life in this. Well,

We shall see, John. Well said. Very interesting to see, isn't it? Atletico Madrid going out as well. South American teams have been great. Let's talk quickly tennis. We've got about a minute or so, Charlotte. Emma Raducanu in the mail hails Wimbledon's amazing job over Stalker. Apparently the Stalker, of course, has been denied his application for tickets. Raducanu says, I'm not the first athlete to go through this. I probably won't be the last, not just as an athlete, but females in general. How important, Charlotte, has this been in shining a light on women

what a lot of these female athletes seem to be going through from what we've heard. Yeah, it's been absolutely massive. I think we were talking about it on this show last week in terms of, like she said, praising what they've done at Wimbledon in terms of looking through that ticket system, seeing that guy's name popping up and banning him because it now allows her to go to that tournament with ease, with confidence to know that this man isn't going to be around her. It's a sad state of affairs that we even have to talk about this

on this show and that it's even got this far that he followed us to four successive tournaments and we saw those images of her in tears didn't we at that tournament last year so it's it's sad but it's good that it's shone a light on it and hopefully it'll make some people question their behavior and we were talking about it online as well because that was an issue last week as well with people getting death threats because they weren't winning matches and that sort of thing so

there's a bigger, wider issue in not just in sport, but in society about the way people feel threatened and that sort of thing. So it's good to shine a light on it. And I think the work that Wimbledon have done to ensure that this man, this stalker isn't going to be there is exceptional. And obviously it allows her to go and enjoy the tournament and play the tennis that she wants to play with without focusing on these off the court matters. Absolutely.