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Low Energy Bibi Boys vs Thomas Massie and Rand Paul (THINGS HIDDEN 219)

2025/6/12
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David Gornoski: 我认为MAGA支持者对特朗普的盲目崇拜,以及他们对兰德·保罗和托马斯·马西等异议者的攻击,实际上是新保守主义的变种。他们渴望被拯救,却忽视了全球主义者对文化的破坏。特朗普政府在对伊朗战争问题上无法对新保守主义者说不,这很荒谬。MAGA支持者只关注特朗普可能带来的微小利益,而忽视了更大的问题,例如永久战争机器。他们缺乏对那些始终反对战争机器的人的忠诚,反而迅速反对那些仍然保持尊严、诚实和主权的人。这种行为是不成熟和可悲的,与美国的建国精神和基督教信仰相悖。我认为他们像一群愚蠢的旅鼠一样上当,同时还试图消除那些反对战争的人的声音。MAGA支持者因为国内问题而反对马西和兰德·保罗,但他们没有意识到这是一种障眼法。他们为了得到一点好处而放弃所有筹码,这是一种失败者的行为。我认为MAGA中的新保守主义言论非常普遍,但仍有很多人反对与伊朗开战。网上右翼人士希望像左派一样集体主义和同化,但他们并不知道自己想要什么。

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This chapter discusses the blind loyalty of some MAGA supporters towards Donald Trump, particularly regarding his foreign policy decisions. It critiques the tendency to attack those who challenge Trump's stance on issues like the potential war with Iran, highlighting the lack of critical thinking and independent judgment among some supporters. The chapter also points out the hypocrisy of some MAGA supporters who claim to be distinct from neocons while supporting policies that are essentially neocon-lite.
  • Blind loyalty of some MAGA supporters towards Trump's foreign policy
  • Criticism of those who challenge Trump's stance on Iran
  • Lack of critical thinking and independent judgment
  • Hypocrisy of some MAGA supporters who claim to be distinct from neocons

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But MAGA has proven to be because they're so thirsty. They're so thirsty for it. They want a big daddy figure from Donald. They want Donald to save them, right? They're so thirsty to be saved by this guy that they functionally are just neocon light. ♪♪♪

I love you and I really don't know what to do. So I wanted to do a show today to kind of cover some of the news headlines going on from the perspective that we've come to expect on Things Hidden, which we like to look at the deep history, the anthropology, theology, and see how it fits in with what's going on in our current events.

The big issue that has been on my radar has been this relentless, is it going to happen, is it not going to happen, footsie with going to war with Iran, this continual inability of Donald Trump to be able to say objectively no to the neocons, the war hawks, and the BB boys in D.C.,

And, you know, as I'm recording this, there could be a strike or not. You know, Israel, is it going to be Israel? Is it going to be this? Is it going to be that? And I find the whole thing an absolute joke. And I find it a joke that so many of the folks on the online right are so quick to turn against people like Rand Paul and Thomas Massey because they're really, really hurt. They're really, really triggered.

that Massey and Rand have not signaled support for the big, beautiful garbage. The big, beautiful garbage is akin to putting crumbs, throwing little crumbs at an occupied people who are totally sucked out of all of their life force. Their culture has been ravaged for decades by globalists, warmongers, and sick freaks in D.C.,

And they are just so thirsty for the big, beautiful crumbs that Donald Trump's going to send their way if they get this little bill through. And look, I understand there are some things in there that would be marginally beneficial to us here in this country, America. But again, these are marginal values. This is crumbs, okay?

Because as long as this is the same little government that wants to perpetually keep pushing things with Ukraine and Russia, keep sacrificing our sovereignty for another Middle East entanglement, as long as that can't be stopped. You know, Rand Paul and Massey are the only folks that ever spoke against or voted against consistently support for the perpetual war machines that BB boys want. Syria, Iraq, you know, Libya, Iraq.

The Arab Spring, you know, all of this stuff, ISIS, which never hurts Israel or America. So we know who funds them and supports them with their brand new Toyotas and beautiful, glamorous music videos that they used to put out with their Hollywood production values. All of these folks, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, all part of the same foreign policy package.

And MAGA always pretended, and the online little influencers always pretended that they were going to be distinct from the neocons. They're distinct only in just shades of emphasis, whereas the neocons were much more openly open borders. And, you know, that's about the only distinguishing factor between what the MAGA is supporting. MAGA is not going to get their 20 million people deported. That's not going to happen with them, okay?

They have no ability to leverage and put fire on and hold accountability to the folks that they put in place to get things done like that, including Trump. They're already trying to get rid of Massey and Rand Paul and try to destroy them. As Massey said, he's the only guy that doesn't have a BB boy being his little minder, being his little controller.

when it comes to his foreign policy decisions in the U.S. House. He said that with his interview with Tucker Carlson, that he's the only one who doesn't get to APAC handler because he's not interested in that. But MAGA is so quick to turn on those folks, the rare ones that we still have there, that have any modicum of dignity and honesty and backbone and sovereignty that

They want to eliminate those guys so that we can have more what? Little Marcos? What? You know, all these little folks that are just forgettables. We don't want that. And so that's the thing that I have a problem with is that there's this, the lack of loyalty to people who have been the only lone voices who have said no to the war machine consistently.

Oh, but we need them to pass this domestic bill. Okay. I get it. And I've heard, look, I've had Tom Longo on my show and he's got a very elaborate, you know, argument and all these things that you have to look at behind the scenes of the financial thing that may or may not all come to pass. And even he admits that may or may not all come to pass. And it's very contingent on a, on several delicate things happening for it to all work out the way he's envisioning. But in his scheme of things, uh,

There's this need to pass this bill. And I can understand if what he says turns out to be true, then sure, maybe this is something that will be a part of that kind of return to American sovereignty that people have wanted for some time. But I'm not very bullish on that, given the attitude of these disloyal, dishonest folks today.

and the online right that like to, they're paid off for 50 bucks a tweet or $10 a tweet or whatever their cheapness allows to continue to attack just a couple of the folks left in DC who have kind of continued some of the things that Ron Paul pioneered. Do I agree with Rand Paul and Thomas Massey on everything? No, I don't. Do I agree with their tactics? Do I see problems with some of their, their,

their vibe and how they, they, they try to make a point. I get, I get that, right. I get that there's some, there's some room for discussion, but to just turn on people and say they should be voted out, totally ostracized over not supporting this $5 trillion bill or whatever. It's just, it just shows you how feckless and neutered that a lot of this online maga base is. And I emphasize online because I think in the real world, most of the folks who voted for Trump,

Not turning against right now. I know they're getting, you know, the talking points and drilled into them from all the usual suspects online. Grandstander, grandstander. They all squawk like little parrots. Grandstander, grandstander. As they defend Donald Trump. I mean, come on. People need to get out of their slumber. Need to wake up. You know, is he going to push back? I hope so. And if he does, and if he fights back against that, then guess what? I did my role and the MAGA loyal cultists didn't.

Because I'm one of the few folks out there who will push back when he's completely wrong and then still say there's some things that are good and give him praise when he does something good. But people who say, don't criticize him, trust the plan. He's got a secret plan to beat all of these warmongers and all this stuff. And, you know, he's not going to let this war start. You know, so how we can support him is just be faithful loyalists. That's not what Americans were supposed to be.

Americans are not supposed to be little collectivist loyalists that sit there on the sidelines and say the way we win in our country is by basically undying fealty to our politicians that will save us. How pathetic is that? On the standard of the American founding ethos, it's pathetic. And on the standard of the much more important Christian faith,

Founding ethos that has been impacting our society. It's even more pathetic, right? Trust not in kings and princes, except if you read, you know, elite theory or something and you think you're a smart guy.

online tough guy, right? And now all of a sudden it's easy to dunk on, oh, Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, because this is trendy. It's trendy right now. I have never been a libertarian. I have never been a part of a libertarian party. I've supported Ron Paul. Ron Paul didn't even like the term libertarian, right? But I understand that these folks that want to talk tough about libertarians are really just following a mimetic trend,

It's trendy to say, oh, that's not cool anymore. That's out of touch. And I actually understand, again, some of the areas that they're coming from, I can agree with, that it's out of touch to approach politics in this way or that way, right? And I get it. But still, it's cheap. It's immature. It's pathetic. It's not what leaders would do, is to go after someone like a Thomas Massey and use your

Use your little mob mentality to attack some of the last couple of folks that will ever say anything slightly true about the big things that matter, like these wars that we're on the precipice of going through. So I've been watching this Iran war rhetoric since I first started writing political commentary when I was 17 years old at World Net Daily, right in high school age.

And they were pushing for this wars. They said, they said, Akhmedimajad was looking for, you know, that, that girl to come out of the well, like in the movie, the ring. And then once she came out of the well, then he would just start shoot shooting off all kinds of, um, you know, suitcase nukes all over every city in America. That's what these idiots were saying back then, Mark Levin and all these, these stupid idiots.

But MAGA has proven to be because they're so thirsty. They're so thirsty for it. They want a big daddy figure from Donald. They want Donald to save them, right? They're so thirsty to be saved by this guy that they functionally are just neocon light. Diet neocon, right? Big debt spending, big entitlement spending, big welfare queens, big corporate welfare queens, right?

Managed trade deals that are just tinkered slightly a little bit more, get a little trickle nuggets for the workers here in America. Big income taxes still there, right? Big central economic planning, big wars, perpetual wars, never-ending wars. All those wars have totally mutated and destroyed the cultural fabric of America.

I believe that the gender dysphoria and all of these other like lawless, nihilistic kind of trends that have become so popular in America are downstream from a war machine, a culture haunted or what I would say possessed actually by the spirit of empire, which ruins people's moral sensibility, moral framework. They can't see straight. They can't think straight. They can't gender right.

They can't be an engendered embodied person when they're so disembodied with Gnostic platitudes to justify the unjustifiable, which is mass slaughter of people and mass slaughter of their neighbors in these damned wars. And so I've written about this at the American Conservative World Net Deal, all these places for years, and it's still going on. And here's the latest iteration of George W. Bush fanboys saying,

I thought they'd be better. They had promising rhetoric. And yes, there is some marginal improvement, but this online MAGA mob is nothing but Dick Cheney fanboys and fangirls. Warmed over, couple little minor tweaks, functionally the same. The people that make the money off of the killing, the people that consolidate power off of the senseless wars and debt and all this stuff,

usury, they're all happy. They're just doing just fine as if Dick Cheney was still running the show with W. Oh, but we're this different or that different. Not really. Not functionally, man. Not until we see clear rhetoric and clear action that severs our relationship to this insane death machine in the Ukraine war and this insane death machine in this fight for

going to war with Iran. And I find it contemptible that these folks, people like Mark Levin and all these other little clowns, have such absolute despicable hatred for the American soldier's life, as if they couldn't treat anyone with more contemptuous hate in terms of the value and the worth of the American soldier's life by gambling for their entire career, trying to shove us into a reckless war with Iran, which would be a catastrophe for

far beyond iraq and maga when when they when they take the bait they take the bait like a bunch of dumb lemmings that are still living in 2004 dick cheney land when the rhetoric heats up and they go oh oh we don't want war with iran meanwhile they're pushing to eliminate the last couple folks with a platform in dc politics massey and ran who would ever say anything against those words

They want that totally silenced. And they, oh, but it's because of the domestic thing. But they're suckers. They don't understand the sleight of hand here. Oh, let's get rid of them because of the domestic. They're not supporting this stupid bill for the crumbs we want for our tips. It's not because they're supporting, you know, so that they're not taking the...

They're not taking the general rhetoric. The neocon rhetoric is pretty pervasive in a lot of MAGA, but there's still a large strain that still says, no, we don't want to do war with Iran. And then the base, the people outside of the online world, are definitely against war with Iran. But they're getting this sleight of handshake where it's like, well, we don't disagree with Rand and Massey about the Iran rhetoric they have. We just disagree with them about them being in the way of this stupid crumb bill.

We want our crumbs. After they go to war with Iran, we got to get our crumbs, right? And I think it's such a loser's hand to play rhetorically, politically, you know, morally, whatever, to put all of your leverage away and just say, whatever our little hero wants, the only way we can succeed is just to silently, you know, to silence any serious criticism and just be a Borg. You know, I've heard that so much from

uh, online, right folks. Oh, we need to be more like the left. Look how collectivist and Borg like they are. They move in one accord together, just move hive mind stuff. You really want to be more like that. You're already pretty close to that already. You know, you want to be more unthinking, more on, you know, diverse and, and, and lack of diversity of thought and feedback and debate. They know not what they desire. Yeah.

And, you know, all of this is predictable from a biblical anthropology standpoint. The more people fight, the more they become the same, the more alike they become. And none of it is going to produce the results. I have sub-zero expectations out of any politician to get us anything. That includes the folks who are the dissent, you know, the dissenters like the Thomas Massys. I mean, I understand there's a limited role that they can play. As long as we're playing with the focus of politics being our main move to get things better,

It's going to be a very limited return on that investment of our time and energy. Ultimately, you know, if we look at what Marshall McLuhan talks about, how technology is an extension of man, I think energy is really an extension of our metabolism, right? If we have a low metabolism, we have a sluggish mindset. We're going to be prone to stress, irritability. We're going to be prone to wanting to be absorbed into a hive mind for comfort and safety, right?

And we're going to have an inability to stand up and think for ourselves and think critically, even if that means not getting to be a part of the ecstasy of the crowd and every little manufactured crisis or scandal that pops up on the daily in the social media world. But that low metabolism is kind of where we're at on the energy equation.

in the world we live in. Not that maybe oil is abundant. Maybe oil is far more abundant than we think. But the way in which our system of oil distribution is conceived, it's extremely artificially scarce. And it runs us through that Middle Eastern area and gets us into conflicts with Russia and their energy markets. This whole energy thing is so artificially constricted

And that's the basis by which these parasites in the deep state continue to pull us in and drain us of all of our resources and our sanity and our moral cohesion, our high trust society. All of that is being rotted out to the core because of this ability to artificially constrict the energetic metabolism of the human species on planet Earth.

So how would you fight that? Would you fight that by saying, oh, the only way to fight it is to give Donald Trump full and unquestioned support? No. Is it to join a third party? No. Is it to check out from politics completely and just, you know, bury your head in the sand? No. Not that there's only one solution for all of us, but one very clear one, if we have any kind of strategic mind in part,

In terms of our part of what we can do, it would be to focus on the energy, to create energy abundant, endless energy, energy that doesn't have any ability to be sequestered into, oh, it's got to be Saudi Arabia or this pipeline or that thing.

where the whole world's economy is artificially constricted in its energy so that the world can be completely swallowed up in debt and financialization. We need to push through this financialization economy we have, get back to a productivity economy, and that will not happen through Donald Trump's little tariff gimmicks. He doesn't have the guts to go all the way even in his own paradigm.

That's marginal change. That's not going to be the kind of change we truly need. The real change that will change our relationship as a human species towards the mobs and the mafia folks that trade in children and all kinds of trafficking and disgusting behavior, wars and killings, these psychopaths, the only way the human species can get past them is to break through their artificial control of energy.

That means to develop technologies that are so decentralized and their ability to be distributed, produced, created, harnessed, used, that you simply cannot roll it all back and constrict it into the rent-seeking behavior, the troll behavior that allows them to have such control over the world. You've got to break through with the energy.

And this is requiring people to think outside the box at a level that those who are addicted to idolizing politicians simply are afraid to do. They don't have the leadership foresight to do it. They're afraid. It's not trendy. Right now, it's trendy to pick your little team, you know, to talk about how libertarians are the bad guys. That's trendy. Oh, I'm doing something. I'm saying Massey's a grandstander. I'm doing something. How about low-temperature nuclear energy? I don't know about that.

Why don't you look into it? The textbook says that can't happen. Oh, okay. So you go run along like a little lemmy, little MAGA, and be absolutely useless. Sovereign, no sovereignty, no nothing. Total debt slave, total warmonger-controlled slave.

useless, neutered people. That's what you're going to get if you can't think critically and say, wait a second, if I really want to be globalist, if I really want to beat warmongers, if I really want to get past this debt machine, because guess what? This is better than the Massey approach, which is, you know, the libertarian online. Oh, we got a problem with our debt. Well, that's useless, too. I mean, insofar as that's all you've got.

How about say that there's a problem with debt and then create low temperature nuclear energy? How about have five companies create it at the same time? Startup capital. You guys could fundraise this stuff easily. If you guys got your brains in the game, I'm talking about all the people online who are concerned about debt, who are concerned that America is not going to have much of a future or the world for that matter. Look into that topic. Oh, but the textbook says that can't happen. Okay. Well, if you're going to be that low energy that a textbook stops you,

like a concrete wall, then you're not ready for it. You're not ready to be a leader. You're not ready to even help leaders if you can't even start thinking with an open mind, thinking with a bold mind, thinking with a creative mind, which is your birthright, which is your purpose on earth. You were put in a garden, and then at the end of the story, the anthology of the Bible, there's a city with a garden in the middle of it. That means there was something that you were building. You were supposed to build something.

And I see people who are more excited and enamored with the fact that they think they found the right tradition when it comes to their Christian faith than actually understanding what it means to be like Christ, who says, behold, I make all things new. The purpose of a tradition is absolutely essential to ground you in the truth and the record of history. But this idea that we can just sit there and wait for, you know, this kind of malaise energy

to say, hey, wait a second, behold, I make all things new. That means that we should have this forward vision in the way we animate our time, our thinking, our creativity, our organizing in society. So that's what I wanted to share with you today. And I hope that we can really change the conversation. We have 24-7 energy panels that need to be developed.

We have low temperature nuclear energy ideas that need to be developed, that need to be funded, that need to be encouraged. And you think this is just some kind of arbitrary, just try guys or do something. No, I truly believe that where humanity puts its focus and attention, not doesn't have to be a majority. We're not doing that kind of thing. But if a concerted small group of people would spend half as much energy as they do fighting over,

worship this politician or hate this politician or complain about this problem or wonder about the Epstein files. What a loser's hand, what a waste of time, what a disobedience to the call of being a Christian adult. We should be creating, we should be bold, we should be coordinating information, we should be experimenting, we should be creating startups to develop these technologies. We don't need any new apps.

It's great if you have an app, but that's not what we really need to get to the real breakthrough moment. We need to have endless, unlimited energy that's decentralized, that can't be choked off, that can't be sequestered into pipelines, that can't be sequestered by, you know, government licenses. It can't be a type of technology which is fundamentally easy to be scandalized as a dangerous technology.

because that will be easily regulated and sequestered away from the masses. It has to be something that is safe, easy, intuitive, decentralized, not based in any particular landmass region. In other words, close to as close to post scarce as possible, right? Close to that as possible.

And it's not just one technology. It needs to be a confluence of different technologies coming to the table. But if people use that kind of courageous inquiry, they could get a lot farther along than fighting over scandalizing this politician or supporting this group or this group's not cool now, that group's cool, or we have to be collectivists, we have to read this book, and that'll fix us. No, we know better than that. We know better than that.

And those who have been listening to this show and watching this show for years, you know better than that. That's why you were ahead of the curve before a lot of the biggest things that have come along in this culture. When you understand human nature, when you understand anthropology, when you understand physics, when you understand these foundational forces that are moving things, the world becomes a lot more interesting in your ability to decipher where it's going and where it can end up. And there is a massive openness to the future.

But we don't have to sit like little lemmings and say, well, our job is to sit in the crowd and cheer for the right characters and boo the right characters and enjoy the show and buy the merch. No, that's not our job.

That's what I see with these podcast circles and all this stuff. Pick the right team, use the right memes, say the right little catch naughty words. Oh, wow, you're signaling that you're part of the little crowd, that's the little trend here, the little trend there. Nobody wants to do the hard work. It's like the little redhead. Nobody wants to bake the bread. Nobody wants to make the flour. Nobody wants to make the low-temperature nuclear energy. Nobody wants to say that they're the weirdo trying that thing. Nobody wants to say they're creating panels with dense energy

And dense energy in the form of what we've, we've talked about this on the show many times that you can have these 24 seven energy panels. We have them, but we need to have people doing more of this, more talking about this. This needs to be a community around this. This, you know, just like you guys rip off my ideas or another podcast for politics or scapegoating or charade or what other things rip off this stuff and actually get in your garage and do these things.

or work with and find engineers who are doing it and support them and help them better than I have or better than what we have been doing behind the scenes. But we need lots and lots of people giving an attention and their energy and their creativity to this framework because that's the kind of change that's going to really make a difference.

And then you have other things like being able to have elemental transmutation that we don't have to fight over who's going to have access to Ukraine's minerals and all this archaic, you know, 19th century approach to things. We're past that, right? But as long as your framework is limited to reacting to whatever the left is doing or reacting to whatever, you know, this MAGA is doing or libertarian or whatever little gimmick that makes you fired up and feel like you're in a little fantasy world,

You're out of the game. You're not in it. So think critically. Think about how to raise the metabolism of the whole human species by getting the right kind of energy paradigms distributed, developed, talked about, excited. Bring all the attention economy to that. As long as they have real energy behind it, real productive energy that can be used for the economy, that's what we need. Because when we get that, then we get to say bye-bye to those who constrict us with debt.

I'm David Gronowski. You can email me hello at a neighbor's choice.com. Godspeed. One more note about the concept of tradition. Tradition is absolutely vital. You got to have tradition to have the wisdom to not fall into the same old mistakes that have been plaguing people in the past. So there's no question we want tradition and tradition is essential for the life of the church. But if your main entree, if your main focus is

and going and being a part of a church is to relish in the tradition as a distinctive from what others are doing and other forms of Christianity. If your concept is that those traditions that your church holds on to are your main excitement, your main focus, then you've missed the plot. Look at Jesus' first miracle. The best wine is served at the end of

which gives us an orientation as to how all of Jesus' mission in history, and therefore our mission as part of his body, will unfold. The best wine is yet to come. That means, behold, all things are made new. Behold, I make all things new. Fits like a glove with the idea that the best wine is yet to come. The best wine is not in the past as this vintage that we look past to.

trying to get back to the golden age of the church or the golden age of closeness to God. We are to go beyond even the Garden of Eden, right? Even beyond that. And so any kind of orientation of Christianity that gets you more excited about looking back as opposed to participating in the future today in the life of Christ is something that's not oriented in Christ. In Christ...

The best is yet to come. In Christ, your attitude is effused with that hopeful, joyful, can-do spirit. High energy, pro-body, pro-humanity, pro-planet Earth, pro-matter, all of that is what it looks like when you're putting Christ first in your life in the church. ♪