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Taylor Ogan, Snow Bull Capital: China's tech frontier, the view from Shenzhen, Part 2

2025/2/27
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Taylor Ogan: 我对西方对中国技术的质疑感到沮丧。他们试图误导人们,认为中国技术并非真实存在。我理解中国的核心框架是:如果数字或技术好得令人难以置信,那它们可能就是假的。深圳与中国其他地区截然不同,它代表着中国的未来。在深圳,你可以看到最新的电动汽车、机器人出租车和无人机送货等技术。深圳吸引了国际政要和商业领袖的关注,但其国际知名度仍然不足。中国制造业供应链的崛起势不可挡,华为Mate 60的发布是重要的转折点。中国工程师的信心日益增强,DeepSeek的发布时机非常巧妙。DeepSeek的崛起出乎意料,其发布在全球范围内引起了关注。DeepSeek的员工对发布后的反应非常冷静。华为Mate 60的发布没有政府干预,深圳的公司更独立于政府。政府对低空经济非常关注,但对DeepSeek的干预较少。西方对中国科技公司的误解很深,他们往往低估了中国科技公司的实力和创新能力。中国机器人技术领先全球,并将迎来重大突破。中国机器人设计正在向更实用的方向发展,并吸引了全球最聪明的人才。中国机器人技术与AI的结合是未来的方向,中国机器人公司正在变得更加自信。华为的内部结构鼓励创新,华为的芯片研发加速了,其研发团队非常努力。EUV光刻技术是中国半导体发展的关键。DeepSeek没有从政府获得资金。中国创业生态系统仍然活跃,但VC投资正在减少,大公司正在填补这一空缺。中国年轻一代的创业者更加全球化,中国对研发投入的增加,以及公司内部竞争机制的建立,都促进了创新。中国创新正在从小公司到大公司全面展开,并渗透到生活的各个方面。中国经济充满了竞争和创新,中国产品在全球市场上越来越受欢迎。中国AI模型在全球范围内没有得到应有的认可,中国科技公司正在努力获得全球认可。 Steve Hsu: 深圳是中国科技中心,是中国的硅谷。中国制造业供应链的崛起势不可挡。华为Mate 60的发布是一个重要时刻,DeepSeek的技术实力在早期就有体现。西方对中国科技公司的误解很深,他们往往低估了中国科技公司的实力和创新能力。中国机器人技术领先全球,并将迎来重大突破。中国机器人技术与AI的结合是未来的方向。中国创新正在从小公司到大公司全面展开,并渗透到生活的各个方面。中国经济充满了竞争和创新,中国产品在全球市场上越来越受欢迎。中国AI模型在全球范围内没有得到应有的认可,中国科技公司正在努力获得全球认可。中国AI模型可能会在全球范围内广泛应用。

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Shenzhen is unlike the rest of China, acting as a forward-looking tech center. It's a rapidly developing city, home to advanced manufacturing and electronics, and acts as a central hub for many future technologies. Its unique position across the border from Hong Kong has made it a focal point for tech innovation.
  • Shenzhen's unique characteristics compared to other Chinese cities
  • Shenzhen as a center for electronics and advanced manufacturing
  • Shenzhen's rapid growth in a short period

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Taylor Ogan is Chief Executive Officer of Snow Bull Capital, based in Shenzhen, China. His firm invests in Chinese technology companies, with a focus on areas such as clean energy, AI, and automation.

 

Part 1 of this discussion, from November 2023: https://www.manifold1.com/episodes/taylor-ogan-snow-bull-capital-chinas-tech-frontier-the-view-from-shenzhen-47)

 

Steve and Taylor discuss: 

  • (00:00) - Introduction

  • (01:23) - Shenzhen: The Tech Hub of China

  • (04:14) - The Rise of Huawei and Its Impact

  • (06:59) - DeepSeek: China's AI Breakthrough

  • (11:32) - The Role of Government in Tech Development

  • (26:17) - Humanoid Robots: The Next Frontier

  • (38:01) - Huawei and PLA?

  • (40:49) - The Semiconductor Race

  • (43:13) - Huawei's accelerated chip development

  • (45:13) - Government's Role in Technological Advancements

  • (46:21) - China's Domestic Tech Ecosystem

  • (48:56) - Venture Capital and Entrepreneurship in China

  • (51:57) - Corporate Culture and Innovation

  • (55:48) - China's Competitive Edge in Various Industries

  • (01:00:00) - Perceptions and Realities of Chinese Tech

  • (01:08:37) - When will China be "investible" again for Western funds?

 

Music used with permission from Blade Runner Blues Livestream improvisation by State Azure.

 

 

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Steve Hsu is Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University. Previously, he was Senior Vice President for Research and Innovation at MSU and Director of the Institute of Theoretical Science at the University of Oregon. Hsu is a startup founder (SuperFocus.ai, SafeWeb, Genomic Prediction, Othram) and advisor to venture capital and other investment firms. He was educated at Caltech and Berkeley, was a Harvard Junior Fellow, and has held faculty positions at Yale, the University of Oregon, and MSU. Please send any questions or suggestions to [email protected] or Steve on X @hsu_steve.