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Jacinda Ardern on leading with empathy and overcoming self-doubt

2025/7/1
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Adam Grant: 我认为如果你情感丰富，经历过危机和悲伤，你会付出代价，但这是你愿意承担的。我很期待与Jacinda Ardern讨论同理心领导、善良的力量、如何应对冒名顶替综合症，以及她对领导抗击新冠疫情的反思。 Jacinda Ardern: 我也是一个爱哭、爱拥抱、爱担心的人。很多人私下告诉我他们也爱哭或爱拥抱，好像这是一个秘密社团。也许有一群人因为这些性格特点而觉得自己不适合当领导。我认为将冒名顶替综合症或缺乏自信与领导力对立起来是错误的。我发现我尊重和钦佩的一些人也有冒名顶替综合症。承担责任的领导意识有时会压倒自我怀疑。在政治中，人们总是假设你进入政界一定是被个人野心所驱动，但实际上很多人并非如此。成为领导人后，我没有时间沉溺于自信心不足，因为责任感完全占据了上风。我认为从政是为了有所作为，所以会考虑人们的福祉、住房、气候和儿童贫困等问题，这些都是需要承担责任的重大问题。

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Jacinda Ardern shares her journey to becoming Prime Minister, emphasizing the unexpected nature of her ascension and the role of responsibility in overcoming self-doubt. She discusses imposter syndrome and the importance of preparation and seeking advice in leadership.
  • Unexpected rise to power due to the resignation of her predecessor.
  • Overcame self-doubt through a sense of responsibility.
  • Emphasizes that self-doubt doesn't preclude leadership potential.

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When Jacinda Ardern was thrown into the race for New Zealand’s prime ministry just months before the general election in 2017, she had no intention of even running for the position—but she knew it was her responsibility to become the leader her country needed. In this episode, Adam and Jacinda reflect on strategies for closing confidence gaps, discuss the importance of compassion in leadership, and break down a phenomenon that New Zealanders call “tall poppy syndrome.” They also look back on Jacinda’s most pivotal decisions, from steering the country through the COVID pandemic to stepping down as Prime Minister.

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Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant) | LinkedIn: @adammgrant) | Website: adamgrant.net/))

Guest: Jacinda Ardern (Instagram: @jacindaardern))

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