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Megan Rapinoe & Sue Bird on leading great teams and moving on

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Megan Rapinoe: 我认为体育项目在运动员生涯中起着至关重要的作用,它就像指引人生方向的北极星。然而,退役后,这种指引会消失,这需要我们重新适应和寻找新的目标。在团队中,领导力并非天生具备,我过去可能过于强势,不够关注队员的感受。回顾过去,我希望能更勇于展现脆弱,并勇于面对不适的处境。在高压的比赛中,也要记住,比赛结果并非人生中最重要的东西。 在新的领域中,我需要提醒自己,成功需要一个过程,而不是一蹴而就。我渴望客观、独立的反馈,这与很多非运动员不同。 在女子体育发展中,存在被忽视和遗忘的问题,人们对女子体育的负面印象根深蒂固,需要时间才能改变。 Sue Bird: 运动队内部存在多种类型的领导力和等级制度,团队氛围非常微妙,很容易受到负面影响而崩塌。任何团队运动都存在类似的团队氛围的脆弱性。团队成员会对团队文化非常保护,对新加入的成员会保持观望态度,需要新成员去赢得他们的信任。 我并非天生具有领导才能,我更专注于任务本身,而非团队成员的感受。我的职业生涯之所以长久,是因为我能够快速适应身体、心理和情感上的变化。我意识到自己已经无法保持巅峰状态,即使仍然有效率,但那不是真正的我。 退役后,需要重新寻找人生的意义和目标。在新的领域中,我需要提醒自己,成功需要一个过程,而不是一蹴而就。我渴望客观、独立的反馈,这与很多非运动员不同。 虽然我错过了女子体育发展的黄金时期,但我为这项事业做出了贡献,并且仍然参与其中。 Adam Grant: 领导者是否认为团队成员有发言权并不重要,重要的是团队成员是否认为自己有发言权。年轻队员可能因为敬畏领导者而不敢表达自己的想法和担忧。领导力需要既要自我主张,也要得到团队成员的认可。 在足球运动中,团队文化的影响力更大,因为足球运动中,很多付出得不到回报,需要队员做出很多牺牲。篮球队规模较小,更容易注意到个体差异和团队问题。 足球属于“弱链”运动,而篮球属于“强链”运动。球星受伤后,球队会暂时实力下降,但当球星回归时,球队整体水平可能会有所提高。球星就像创可贴,掩盖了球队的问题,但他们的缺席会暴露球队的问题,从而促使球队进步。 团队中存在“应得的尊重”和“赢得的尊重”两种不同的尊重类型。在生活中,获得客观评价指标非常困难,许多人会高估自己的能力。

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The discussion shifts to the dynamics of team leadership. They explore how leadership styles and team cultures vary across different sports, comparing soccer and basketball. They also discuss the importance of creating a safe space for all team members to voice their opinions.
  • Different leadership styles and team cultures exist in various sports.
  • The importance of creating a safe space for team members to share their perspectives.
  • The concept of "claiming" and "granting" leadership, and the importance of earned respect versus owed respect.

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Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird are two of the greatest athletes of all time — Megan is an Olympic gold medalist and was named the best soccer player in the world by FIFA. Sue has won five of her own Olympic gold medals in basketball and four WNBA championships. Now that the couple have each retired from their legendary sports careers, they host a podcast together, a Touch More, and continue to play a major role in the meteoric rise of women’s sports. They talk with Adam about how to make a team great and leadership lessons from sports. They also discuss their difficult decisions to retire, and how to know when it’s time to let go and move on.

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Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant) | LinkedIn: @adammgrant) | Website: adamgrant.net/))

Guests: Megan Rapinoe (Instagram: @mrapinoe)) Sue Bird (Instagram: @sbird10)) 

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