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Greenland, Iceland and the meltdown of the old order in the North Atlantic

2025/5/6
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Gudni Jóhannesson: 我将探讨冰岛的历史经验,为格陵兰岛在争取更大自主权,最终走向完全独立的道路上提供了宝贵的教训。北极圈并非静态的,其位置会随着地球自转轴倾角的变化而改变,因此不能仅仅依靠北极圈来定义一个国家是否是北极国家。从地理和人类学角度来看,冰岛并非北极国家,但地缘政治因素和气候变化的影响使其与北极息息相关。格陵兰岛既是北极国家,也是北欧国家,更是冰岛和法罗群岛的盟友、朋友和邻邦。冰岛从丹麦统治下逐步走向独立的历史,为其他希望获得更大自主权的国家提供了蓝图。格陵兰人民希望掌控自身事务,这与冰岛争取独立时面临的情况相似,也与世界各地去殖民化运动中的情况相似。特朗普总统想购买格陵兰岛的想法荒谬可笑,但这却促使格陵兰和丹麦政府重新审视彼此的关系。作为国家元首,需要比学者更自信和乐观,避免学术上的犹豫和多角度分析。俄罗斯入侵乌克兰打破了北极地区的和平与合作,北极理事会的工作也因此受到影响。目前中国在冰岛的投资和影响力并不显著。冰岛不认为美国需要在格陵兰增加军事存在,希望格陵兰能够和平地决定自己的未来。独立和相互依赖是并存的,国家需要在两者之间取得平衡。小国可以拥有主权,但同时需要依赖其他国家进行经济合作和国防合作。 北欧国家在北极理事会中应该继续倡导保护北极环境,使其免受军事化。美国政府对北极地区的立场是否会改变,目前尚无法确定。北极地区的未来在于可持续发展和环境保护,应将北极的未来掌握在北极人民手中。 Kristina Spohr: (此处应补充Kristina Spohr的观点,由于提供的文本中没有足够的Kristina Spohr的观点,无法完整补充。请提供更多信息补充此部分。) supporting_evidences Gudni Jóhannesson: 'To begin with, the Arctic circle, just like Arctic nature, society and geopolitics, is in constant motion. It's not static. It's not fixed. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'In geographical or anthropological terms, Iceland is not an Arctic country. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'Greenland will remain an Arctic country, but today we should see better than before that it is also Nordic, Gudni Jóhannesson: 'But this, dear friends, is how the old order collapsed in one part of the North Atlantic, in Iceland, step by step. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'The people of Greenland want to take increased control of their own affairs. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'President Donald Trump's determination to increase American influence and presence in Greenland has dramatically influenced all future scenarios. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'Whereas when you're head of state or when you're in politics, it's so much better if you are totally confident in what you're saying, Gudni Jóhannesson: 'And it has, of course, upset all cooperation and dialogue on Arctic affairs. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'But that is not the case in present-day Iceland. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'I think it would be obvious to conclude that U.S. defense interests can be safeguarded in Greenland within present arrangements. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'If you want to be static in that determination or definition, then you're in for trouble. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'Well, that was asked in 1944. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'And I should like to think that within the Arctic Council, Iceland and other Nordic countries have been advocating safeguarding the Arctic and its environment, Gudni Jóhannesson: 'I don't know. Gudni Jóhannesson: 'So the future of the Arctic lies in sustainable development,

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Contributor(s): Professor Gudni Jóhannesson, Professor Kristina Spohr | President Trump’s determination to increase American influence and presence in Greenland has generated great interest in the future of the world’s largest island and its surrounding regions in the Arctic and the North Atlantic. While Trump's offhand idea of purchasing Greenland is preposterous, it jolted the Danish government and its European NATO/EU allies. At the same time, the evident US-Danish tensions may have increased the Greenlanders’ resolve to move faster towards full independence in the not-too-distant future. Iceland is Greenland’s closest neighbour in Europe. In 1944, Iceland declared full independence from Denmark, at a time when Greenland was still a Danish colony. When the Icelanders severed their final ties with their erstwhile masters in Copenhagen, there were doubters among the Great Powers about this small nation’s ability to stand on its own feet in a bipolar world. Similar words can be heard today about the capabilities of some 57,000 Greenlanders and their national aspirations when so many have their eyes on the Arctic. This event will focus on the current position and future developments of these two countries in the Arctic and the North Atlantic at large.