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BTC234: Bitcoin Torque, Saylor's Playbook w/ Andy Edstrom (Bitcoin Podcast)

2025/5/14
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Preston Pysh: 我非常喜欢Michael Saylor使用“扭矩”这个术语来描述MicroStrategy资本结构中不同层次的方式。他将公司比作一个变速器,能够从不同的夹层中提取法定货币,并将其转化为比特币。这种策略利用了不同的融资方式,如发行股票、可转换债券和优先股,以最大化比特币的持有量。当MicroStrategy的MNAV(市值与净资产价值之比)较高时,通过发行普通股可以获得更高的比特币购买力。而当MNAV较低时,则可以利用优先股等其他融资工具来提高收益。这种灵活的资本运作方式使得MicroStrategy能够在不同的市场条件下优化其比特币投资。 Andy Edstrom: 我同意Preston的观点,MicroStrategy的策略确实非常巧妙。通过发行不同类型的资本,MicroStrategy能够满足不同投资者的风险偏好,并从各个市场中吸取资金。这种策略的关键在于比特币价格的长期上涨。如果比特币价格持续上涨,MicroStrategy通过发行资本购买更多比特币的策略将是成功的。此外,MicroStrategy的杠杆率会随着比特币价格上涨而降低,从而增加其发行股票的能力。这种动态的资本结构使得MicroStrategy能够在不断变化的市场条件下保持竞争力。

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Andy Edstrom unpacks whether Bitcoin is truly the last asymmetric bet for companies, diving into MicroStrategy's model, capital structure risks, and Bitcoin's rising institutional role.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

03:40 - Why Michael Saylor calls Bitcoin a lifeline for “zombie companies”

05:20 - How Bitcoin’s returns compare to traditional assets over the last decade

07:10 - The strategic and accounting evolution enabling Bitcoin treasury allocations

12:00 - MicroStrategy’s premium-to-NAV strategy and its replicability

15:40 - Risks and rewards of BTC-backed leverage and convertible notes

18:05 - The logic behind “torque” metrics in Bitcoin-financed capital structures

21:10 - If preferred shares like STRK and STRF are innovative or dangerous

23:05 - Wall Street’s changing views on Bitcoin-leveraged equity plays

27:20 - Legal and governance hurdles in corporate Bitcoin adoption

29:10 - What a BTC-heavy balance sheet should do during a major drawdown

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

**BOOKS AND RESOURCES**

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Andy’s X Account).

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Microstrategy Shareholders’ Meeting:** **Q1 2025 Earnings Call).

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Michael Saylor’s speech at Strategy World: Bitcoin for Corporations 2025 Keynote Speech).

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