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BTC240: Economic Calculation w/ Bitcoin with Joe Burnett and Chris Nicholson (Bitcoin Podcast)

2025/6/25
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Joe Burnett: 传统金融观点认为比特币没有现金流,因此不值得购买,这是错误的。这种观点没有质疑现金的本质,只是假设美元是最佳的长期现金形式。但随着比特币的出现,我们有了一种新的、更优越的货币形式,它具有完美的稀缺性和便携性。因此,用比特币来衡量,股票或房子的价格实际上可能会下降。过去几十年里,由于货币体系的问题,未来的现金流看起来不断增加,人们都在追逐收益。如果有一种更好的货币,那么用来计算资产价值的折现率将会降低,这意味着比特币是一种更有吸引力的投资或长期储蓄形式。 Chris Nicholson: 传统的贴现现金流分析(DCF)以美元为基础,而我们试图找出当比特币成为货币时,基本的估值方法会是什么样子。折现率实际上意味着机会成本。投资者可以选择将资金投入其他事物,因此投资存在机会成本。如果以比特币作为货币,那么投资其他事物就意味着将资金从比特币转移到该事物中,因此机会成本就是比特币的回报。为了避免对比特币有利,我们需要改变对待股票的通常逻辑,奖励股票比我们的钱更稳定,这意味着你需要从比特币的预期回报中减去股权稳定溢价。 Preston Pysh: 我个人经历让我意识到,如果用比特币重新计算苹果或谷歌的收入,会发现收入直线下降。如果这种趋势持续下去,所有的模型都会被摧毁。内部收益率(IRR)的计算对我来说是一个重要的时刻,它告诉我整个投资期限的机会成本。如果我可以获得一年期美国国债5%的收益,而苹果股票的定价是15%,那么10%的差额是否值得承担运营业务的风险?在比特币出现之前,用黄金来衡量资产价值会更明智。传统的商学院会告诉你去查看市场的波动性来确定折现率,但当谈论风险时,你永远不会谈论企业的根本,这太荒谬了。确定合适的价格时,要考虑与运营业务相关的风险,以及与其他投资相比的折扣。

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This chapter explores the fundamental shift in asset valuation from traditional discounted cash flow (DCF) models to a Bitcoin-denominated framework. It discusses the limitations of traditional models and introduces the concept of using Bitcoin's return as the baseline opportunity cost.
  • Traditional DCF models use a discount rate based on opportunity cost in fiat currency.
  • Bitcoin's introduction challenges the notion of cash flows as solely dollar-based.
  • Re-denominating cash flows in Bitcoin reveals drastically different valuation trends.

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In this episode, Preston sits down with Chris and Joe to explore how Bitcoin is changing the way we think about corporate treasuries, asset valuation, and investment risk.

They dive into the STRIVE report, debate traditional financial models, and propose new frameworks for evaluating assets in a Bitcoin-denominated world.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

01:58 - How Bitcoin reshapes asset valuation and opportunity cost analysis

10:23 - Why Internal Rate of Return (IRR) is crucial for comparing investments in a Bitcoin world

13:05 - The challenges of applying traditional DCF models to Bitcoin

20:45 - The concept and implications of the equity stability premium

22:59 - How Bitcoin’s volatility can be reframed as an asset rather than a liability

26:19 - Why volatility perceptions differ between traditional finance and Bitcoin maximalists

31:08 - How Bitcoin adoption trends impact valuation and investment strategy

08:29 - Preston’s personal journey in reevaluating valuation models using Bitcoin

40:46 - Portfolio risk management principles involving Bitcoin and traditional assets

50:06 - Insights from the STRIVE report on future asset valuation frameworks

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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