Bill Priest emphasizes free cash flow and cost of capital because cash flow is harder to manipulate than earnings, making it a more reliable indicator of a company's financial health. Free cash flow represents the cash available for distribution to shareholders after all obligations, and it can be used for dividends, buybacks, debt reduction, acquisitions, or reinvestment. The spread between return on invested capital (ROIC) and the weighted average cost of capital (WACC) is crucial, as companies that consistently reinvest above their cost of capital create long-term shareholder value.
Bill Priest is concerned about several risks, including the potential for stagflation due to onshoring and tariffs, which could lead to higher inflation and lower growth. He also highlights geopolitical risks, such as China’s internal issues and its potential interest in Taiwan, as well as the rise of nationalism and the end of globalization. Additionally, he warns about the fragility of the financial system and the possibility of a fiscal crisis in the U.S.
Bill Priest believes AI is unstoppable because it represents a structural change in productivity and margins. He argues that AI will continue to evolve and substitute technology for labor and physical assets, driving efficiency and growth. While he acknowledges that euphoria can lead to disillusionment, he views AI as a long-term trend that will fundamentally transform industries and create significant value.
Bill Priest is cautious about investing in China due to its lack of rule of law, unsustainable economic model, and internal issues such as youth unemployment and a collapsing real estate market. He also worries about the potential for the Chinese government to use geopolitical actions, like pursuing Taiwan, to distract from domestic problems. These factors make China a high-risk environment for investors.
Bill Priest advises investors to diversify their portfolios broadly, as the future is unknowable. He emphasizes the importance of starting to save early, maintaining a balanced portfolio (e.g., 60-40 stocks to bonds), and having a strong balance sheet to weather financial crises. He also recommends investing in companies that can substitute technology for labor, as these firms are likely to see productivity gains and higher returns.
Bill Priest believes that successful leadership requires empathy, the ability to make tactical decisions, and the capacity to inspire others. He emphasizes the importance of creating a culture where people feel respected and valued, and where knowledge is freely exchanged. He also advocates for avoiding arrogance and fostering open-mindedness, as these traits are critical for long-term success in an investment firm.
In this episode, William Green speaks with Barron’s Roundtable member Bill Priest, who is Vice Chairman of TD Wealth and founder, Chairman, and Co-Chief Investment Officer of TD Epoch. Bill is the co-author of several books, including “Winning at Active Management.” Having prospered for six decades in the financial markets, Bill has seen it all. Here, he talks about his core investing principles & why he believes investors are too complacent in the face of mounting risk & fragility.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00 - Intro
06:50 - How Bill Priest fell in love with the stock market.
40:30 - Why he focuses relentlessly on free cash flow & cost of capital.
41:11 - How he goes about analyzing a business.
48:41 - Why growth stocks may start to struggle.
50:47 - Why he’s worried about the threat of stagflation.
59:16 - How investors can protect themselves from an unknowable future.
1:03:36 - Why AI is unstoppable, not just another bubble.
1:07:35 - Why he’d be “very careful” about investing in China.
1:15:38 - Why you should keep ample cash to ride out difficult times.
1:17:20 - Why his exposure to equities is much lower than usual.
1:21:16 - How to be a successful leader.
1:57:16 - What he’s learned from his daughter about happiness.
Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.
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Bill Priest’s investment firm, Epoch Investment Partners).
Bill Priest’s book, “Free Cash Flow & Shareholder Yield).”
Bill Priest’s book, “Winning at Active Management).”
Anne Applebaum’s book “Autocracy, Inc.)”
Ruchir Sharma’s book, “What Went Wrong with Capitalism).”
William Green’s book, “Richer, Wiser, Happier” – read the reviews of this book).
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