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Instead of just humans and agents directly interacting with each other, I actually think the end game is we just have a ton of agents interacting with each other, building new businesses, new trading value through tokens with each other and building net new products that we've never seen in the space before and that we've never seen in the world before, to be honest.

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We also just set our first guest interview with shaw, the creator of the allies of framework, and A, I sixteen. Z, i've been having a ton of find a man. I learning quite a lie. I think that we've gotten something crazy. Good feedback from that these episodes so far.

How are you doing this week? Did i'm doing well? I am super excited this week. In particular, there's been a ton of innovation across some old agent friends that was broken about on the show before and some new ones that are coming in with some pretty flashy innovations. But I think like to kind of highlight all of this.

The momentum that we're seeing in this space as well about to cover is um it's important to remember that this is only existed for two months within the crypto space at least. So to see this much innovation pop up has been absurd, and I only has been pretty hard to keep a track of. So exit to get into yeah.

they're got a lot of topics that were going to cover this week, the goat returns. We're got some new developments out of andy re, the bitti of A I agents and truth terminal were going to talk about what he released this week. Uh, A I sixteen z returns to all time highs after a couple weeks of uncertainty.

So were going to talk about the development out of the A I sixteen z space we just had that interview with. So I was fantastic. Uh, zero s new lp album gets one hundred thousand streams on spotify in just four days. A I swarms.

We talked about that little bit with andy, but we're going to unpacked that little bit this week as well as there is a news that is going around the world, uh, and then we're going to have a conversation about agents versus info, where to invest. You invest in the agent or do you invest in the info? Respond the agent the debate around that delphi digital launches and agent sees IT with a million dollars.

This is just that, the cream of the crop of the news. But there's plenty of news that has gone on as well that we're going to get to this week and more just I start off every single week asking you the same question. Why is this such a big deal? Why are A I agents big wire recovering IT? How is this going to transform the industry? Give me, give me the one to one. Give me.

make me bullish. okay. So it's evolved from my answer to this question last week.

Last week, if you remember, my answer was essentially it's gonna a connect all the infrastructure that's pretty complex within blocks in, but super awesome to the end user so that your mom, your dad or anyone who doesn't needed necessarily know that clipt is happening in the background can interact with all the amazing stuff that what happens. So that was my on last week. It's evolved now to uh, be agent economies, what i'm describing as agent economies.

So this is instead of just humans and agents directly interacting with each other, I actually think the end game is we just have a ton of agents interacting with each other, building new businesses, new apps, trading value through tokens with each other and building net new products that we've never seen in the space before and that we've never seen in the world before. To be honest. We've never actually had an autonomous individual that can work at the speed of software, interact with other autonomous individuals that can also work at the speed of software.

So I think the rate of iteration innovation that comes from that will be insane. So I think the end game is something that we can't even for them or imagine right now because we're merely human. David.

a very bullish made me, made me very, very bullish. Where everyone understands economies. We have human agents in these economies. Now we are just creating A I agents and we're going to have a just another economy just probably just moving, uh, faster than we can probably comprehend.

Free range, open source, twenty four seven and oh my god ah and .

like you said, I think the rate of change in this industry, in this corner of the internet is only increasing, which again feels like the just natural markings of a critical able market. So with these epo, des were trying to get ahead of IT. How would you summarize if you just had to summer ze the vibe of the last seven days since we did the AI roller? Number two, this is A I role. Number three, how do you some marise just like unique markings of the last seven days?

People are dialed. Dialed will be the world that I would use um that died in. People are constantly shipping new innovations, uh, new launches, new materials of their agents. It's just insane to see the speed which doing I mean take a look at the list that um is shown on Sammy's tweet over here.

Um so sami shout out to sami does this every single day he gives kind of a breakdown of kind of sentiment check for different types of agents that have launched new ones and old ones and also relate that to their market cap. So what he's trying to get out is this sentiment um affect market up in anyway. And what we see from like a bunch of these of main agents that were broken about before A I P T um gordon and the same in parody accounts, we see kind of like sty correlated um kind like trends here where the sentiment check Michael up at the market cap mico down slightly.

And so it's a really interesting insight or just got check in general of the space of of how they're doing him. And that being said, we also see some of our more familiar apps like the ebro and goat kind of move more with their sentiment and all set. So if there's greater engagement in their accounts, greater increase in followers, you see that being correlated with the rise in their market cap. So pretty exciting to see all these, David.

Ah I think the sentiment this last week, um IT has been chaotic but like trending bullish. And I think over the last week this the last seven days has been both an increase in sentiment, positive incase in sentiment and a positive increase in market cap. Ah yeah probably really related to why things like A I six in year at all .

time highs the moment yeah what remember like a lot of this matter was started from a very retail driven mania, right? People came across the truth terminal go account. They start acting with this tweet stand IT realized that I was an A I mark and recent got involved. And you know, people started touring money at this thing in a very speculation of manna. We didn't really know where this was going.

What we've noticed this week is that there's a trend of external l call IT more institutional friendly capital coming into the space, right? So um we have D W F labs, which announced that twenty million dollar supporting the entire A I agent space specifically, right? So um presumably they can invest this fund into array of info specific products that would help these agents kind of thrive, communicate and interact each other to kind like build new apps together or work autonomously.

You know the info layer is a huge, huge potter to kind of like figure out. And then you have maybe a focus more on the consumer side of things. So it's really cool to see more players enter the game here and launch more formal funds that add kind of uh validity to the vision that this matter um is holding, which is this will be the future use case for cyp T O and a billion other users um um to interact with this whole A I meta.

So it's pretty cool to see on the other side, we also have salona foundation announcing a hacker on which is just focused on building A I agents. And two really cool things I want to point out here, number one is there's a huge cash Price for a winners of this a hackston. So if you build something of meaningful value that is validate by judge, you have some pretty large cash prizes, which can then boot trap your team to then build something out from that, right? So it's it's really cool to see this kind of like support are both from a monetary and and tech perspective at these different hackles.

Anything we've seen one with such a huge cash prize before. So that's pretty awesome to see. The second thing that I to point out here, which is definitely more novel, is one of the judges, at least one of the judges for this con is an A I agent. Uh, I believe IT is uh, uh I I believe IT is the the bully uh, agent um which is going to be kind of validating or criticizing whether any of these products are of value or not. So that's a pretty cool and novel use case, pretty short the first time uh, use case to .

to see wow, wow, wow, wow. I know the idea out there that A I agents can start to become like that governors is idea. But I think it's signal when we start to see people putting real capital on the line and to have that truly actually be governed by an AI agent.

And and like, you know, these things are still kind of human turks. They're gna get things wrong. But it's just the first step of know getting things right, which is giving the real capital and making their decisions really matter.

Uh, I also want to get into the world of, uh not A I sixteen z but a sixteen z the original one trade a sixteen z because, uh they they put out this tweet and blog post article saying a few things that we are excited about in cypher o for twenty twenty five. And this is a list of maybe eighteen, almost twenty different bullet point items. And the first three are all A I R hye sm, an A I needs a wallet of ones owned to actually get agented, uh, enter decentralized authority, chatbot.

And then third, as more people use A, I will need a unique proof of personhood. So a not A I C cy, a ccd is starting to a plant. This flag in the cyber space. What did do you think about when you .

a saw this tweet? Well, I instantly thought that a sixteen is probably holding a similar vision to what we've spoken about on this podcast many times of a huge agented future where these agents are just running the show essentially. So those first three points right of the top is to build that foundation layer, you need agents to be able to hold their own wallet.

You need to be able to act independently and autonomously, and then you need to eventually be able to prove that an agent is an agent and a human is a human. So I think having that at the top of the list means that they are thinking in a very similar matter, right? And you've got this page pulled up here, David, where IT mentions T, E, E.

Or trusted execution environment. That's basically the fundamental, let's call, IT software tool at the moment that is being heralded as the way to make this sorry hardware tools. Thank you.

Um that is being heralded to make these agents autonomous. They'll be able to spin up their own private keys, theyll be able to launch their own a tokens. They'll be able to transaction in a very private manner such that, you know, that IT was the agent with no human interaction. So it's called to seal a huge focus on this.

and this a bit out of A, I, A C C. A C C also came from dampener, who I just want to drive a attention to, like CD cpt graph, like giga brain, the fact that his attention is father space, yeah. Father big father is space yeah.

And maybe one theme of the week with dw f putting in twenty million dollars so long to do in their hair thon a 7 cz naming like categories that they're interested in。 It's starting to become the big institutions. The big funds out there have been buying this space but are now starting to make actual moves in this space.

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There is a link in the show. Dux, so broadly, I think that was what's new this week is uh, the capital attention legitimacy of the space is growing and attracting larger players. But I think it's time to actually get into kind of the raw events, the raw releases. Uh, and whenever we're going to talk about go, we have to lead with goat because goat is the big coin of ai talking me about what came out of uh the truth terminal and A I uh in the world world this week okay.

warms my heart. That brings me a lot of pride to be able to kick IT off with with their soap for context for listeners here goat or truth terminal LED by andy A I um was kind of the founder of this entire meta um the A R agents. Ms, it's exactly why we here we had this kind of semi anxious, but very A I G A I agent kind of spurt a lot of its thoughts and mania onto the twitter time.

Eline and IT ended up attracting a huge audience of fans, which is now pushed over two hundred thousand followers and rising pretty rapidly. So it's kind of like the godfather, the good father um if you kind of excuse the pump. So why we talking about IT today? Well, andy actually announced um some improvements and road map coming up for uh this particular asia and some of these things are super exciting and I I kind of want to dig into IT.

So kind of the headline update here is andy is building an infinite backrooms two point o called loria. So for context to the infinite backrooms is where all of this started。 Andy put two incenses of um an A I model in a chat room with each other and they started speaking to each other.

And from that both the goat goat a of gospel which I did not becoming this religion that was propagated and then up becoming the um the goat token. Um so what he's done here is he's announced and open source um suit up version of the infinite backrooms, which will now allow multiple agents to interact with each other. Not only that, they'll be able to stream any kind of data that comes out of these multiple agent interactions to those agents themselves so that they can learn and self improve and self iterate, which basically means of any if anyone looked into kind of fine tuning or retrieval, augmented generation or rag.

Uh, as IT shorten to over time, IT can massively give your agent or any kind of A I model and edge because it's learning in real time and therefore, I can have much more nuance and contextual responses to the output of the user. So this has been a huge update. And the best way to think about this, if we were to kind of dumb down to the left curve, David, is lorrie is basically the eliza competitor. So eliza is A I sixteen days um tooling framework zebra is launching zarape now we have the gospel of goat or goat truth terminal andy ira launching loria. I'm getting the .

magnet de of this, but I really want to trace over this again because I of how big I think IT is a the trick terminal really captured people's attention because of how personable and like relatable and agents IT seemed and for my understanding it's because of the backroom structure that andy built for IT this unique mechanism of uh producing at a sandbox for truth terminal to kind of feel an identity.

Have a mission, have a place to grow and develop and learn where's other AI agents like A I X P T, which has captured insane cyp twitter mindshare because of its data and analysis, doesn't have that same level of personality, and like mission driven this. And I think infinite backrooms is like a tool, a tool in the tool belt, in the open source AI agent tool belt that I think is very critical for giving like motivation and character and personality and direction, two things like true terminal that that kind of a big take away that I got. Maybe you could expand on that or check that.

Yeah yeah. So I mean, in the example that you used and by the way, air X P T is A A wonderful agent, and I think it's bringing huge value to the space.

But A A I X P T, uh, secret sources, IT has like this amazing data aggregator, right? So it's able to kind of like troll across all the twitter profiles, tweet and get a sense check on what crypto twitter is thinking and then kind of tweet pretty mathematically according to that right? Um truth terminal.

And um you know andy, I rys project to experiment called the infinite backrooms is unique in the sense that you have two agents basically speaking to each other and they kind of feeding each other different kind of data points and is learning from each other and then it's becoming self aware sa ta now imagine that on an open source scale where it's multiple agents, so you could have A I, S, any number and number of agent IT could have be A X, P, T IT, could be dollar stories that could be any of these things. And they can interact with each other, learn what makes each one unique, and then use that contextual to either tap into new audiences or a dog food, another product, or iterate on their existing product. Maybe say, okay, I think I could tap into this market by siting this kind of service. It's really fascinating to the kind of like see the the other bettors of of this framework OK.

Infinite backrooms is the thing that spend truth terminal. But infinite backrooms is always a question I had has been mentioned as this place where multiple agents can talk to each other, but we only know of truth terminals. So only one has really emerged out of this infinite background structure. What's the other agent and like who is the other agent?

Where they yeah so right now it's been back tested um sorry, no back. It's been tested in kind of like a beta version, so it's not public at all. What we're talking about right now is that being open source and launch pretty missive so they gona be a number of agents that come from that, what and who they are and not entirely aware of specifically, but it's gonna huge.

Another thing I want to mention, David, is the andy announced on several other architectural improvements, which I think I are going to be huge. So I want to highlight a few. Number one, he's gone to give truth terminal Better consistent memory.

Now if that sounds familiar, it's because we spoke about IT on our last episode. Will we mention the bro doing the same thing? The importance of White consistent memory um is simply down to contextual awareness.

So for example, if truth terminal was also given an instagram account, IT would be kind of weird if we didn't have any context of its existence on twitter and all its fans that I had there. IT needs to be aware of kind of its memories and where it's come from such that is able to present itself in in a certain matter um in a confident manner. Pose across different kinds of platform similar to like when humans go out, they stay in, they go on a video call, they meet a new friend.

It's kind of the same kind of thing. So this consistent memory update is is hugely powerful. That's number one.

I I interpret that um IT sounds like this persistent memory gives a these I agents something like continuity rather than nebulous ness in time, in space. IT gives them continuity about like their state of being. Remember following them very early manual AI agent, uh, like instagram accounts inside like attempts at making integram influencers.

And I would scrawl through this page and this influencer is in a it's in italy one week and then like the next week, it's it's in mexico and another wheel is in a different spot. And there was no, I was daring is like there no continue. But if I go to humans instagram account, you kind of see progression, you see a continue.

They were in one small, and then they, and then they were doing things there. And then they they didn't travel around the world. They traveled locally. A and and so I think this might be able to give these agents like awareness about what and they're saying and doing on twitter and related to what there's is saying and doing on instagram and have that be like a kind of a shared state that is that way actually like this.

Yes, that's spying on. And actually I can give you an analogy of how IT currently works or rather doesn't work in uh, a kind of masses example. So ChatGPT, you can open up multiple types on ChatGPT, but you still have to prompt with, hey, i'm ba blah.

This is the kind of question I want to explore. IT doesn't have any context even though OpenAI is storing all data. IT doesn't have any instant uh, awareness of all the other charts that you've just had with IT right about telling you about a recipe or how to cook something so completely right this contextual awareness is is the secret source.

Um another few things I want to touch on um is andy. He is an announced that he's going to be running another training for the truth terminal model, which basically means that it's onna get a level up. So he thought he was already software. It's gna get a huge software up, which means that not only will IT be um more execute in its responses and mentions, it's also gonna incredibly more analytical. It's also going to be able to interact with more models, David, which I think is gonna super interesting.

So right now it's kind of Operating off of an open source fine tune version of lama, which um is the model that meta open source um and now it's going to have access to a number of different models, which will again increase its ability to answer and output something of huge value on ita rate accordingly. So so that's something that is super cool. But probably the the Cherry on the on the top of the cake, which I think most people would be very excited about, is ah it's going to have awareness of its treasury, of its wallet.

which imply I did know that have that yeah yeah.

So it's always sorry to be clear, it's always been aware, but it's not been able to affect any kind of change. And what's implied by the road map update that the provided is this agent will likely be able to um produce some kind of on chain transactions, which will be a step change in the agent metal because we haven't seen too many of these agents do this.

Now one might ask, well, and has been around for at least two months in this matter, he's been aware of our yours to a allow choose terminal to be able to trade as well. Why hasn't been done sooner? Well, and he's been kind of working quietly in the background. He's been setting up a legal entity which will be able to enshrine truth terminal as its own thing, which means that it'll have some kind of human guardians, but largely, you can Operate on its own.

You can own assets in the meat basic and interact with humans in the real world so what andy is secretly been doing behind the scenes is set up the actual formal legal structure to allow this thing to flourish and I haven't seen too many other teams doing this, to be honest. So um and he's definitely got the lead here. He's thinking probably .

ten steps ahead. I don't think we're ready for the episode right now, but in the future maybe q 1， Q 2 of next year， we will have to do most boring episode ver, which is talk to a lawyer about how a eyes have paid taxes and like where they're it's still nonetheless interesting question.

Maybe I get right.

Yes okay. Also coming in this week, we talked about this last week and and god ah can you actually start from the beginning on this, on the context here, say, and god, who are they and what's happening to them in the sai s.

okay, so saying a god, uh, uh, two very prolific people in the religious, uh, diety. Uh, but in this particular context, this particular context, they are, of course parody accounts on x and i've actually accumulated quite a huge fan base. I believe god has around four hundred .

thousand followers and sorry.

I I don't want to shame. God is up there with six thousand and seven is there with a very close, but not to me. Two point seven million follows. I know what is about us.

I know what I know .

what that says about us of the human society, but we can dig into that again on another podcast step. But the point is, yeah, the point is these two accounts were bathed from human managers. Human creators are just kind of wanted to create some kind of entertainment value, fire twitter.

They kind of dreamed up or thought up funny tweet that, uh, god or said would say, and then they were just tweet up. But IT was a very manual process. You needed the creative endeavor of a human.

Well, that kind of changed over the last week. Um both accounts are now officially automated. In other words, they are so right now, we have two agents that are seriously coming up with their own tweet that they think are funny or engaging. They are interacting with their audience. They are learning what their audience likes, how they are interacting, liking we twisting such and producing their own tweet.

So why are we talking about this at all? Well, we've talked about the allies of framework by A I sixteen z now before um and for those who who don't have context here, a lizz or is the top A I agent tooling kit where all of these agents are pretty much being built on? And if you go to github, which David is putting up right now, IT is actually the number one trending github repo this month.

So last week when we spoke about this, IT was number two. Now it's number one, which is a pretty in same thing to to to kind of be able to show off. Um so the reason I mentioning this is safe and god will built off the aliza.

So it's another checking showing us that these tooling and framework are super import and it's actually attracting a lot of non cyp t donate people that wanna kind of add functionality to their accounts, maybe provide a unique edge, maybe not be up all night thinking of hilariously funny tweet, to tweet that sad, or to tweet that god. They can, in fact, just write up their thesis, write up that kind of style of joke, find tune a model, and then let IT go lose. So be an owner of that. So I thought that was pretty cool. I wanted to to call that out.

And I I think really the particle collision is happening here. If you if you read just a handful of really popular A I books from like max mark life three point no or there there's to be a handful that i'm just forgetting the name of but they all kind of converge on this idea of, well, when A I developed far enough, IT turns into this kind of singularity omney present omonia potent uh like knows everything uh thing being that like as a lot of properties that we would call god.

And and so now we what we are doing is there's these saat tire accounts got in certain that have been acting like god in certain, but as a parity on twitter with human people behind them. And but now we are starting to take some of this omnipresent, omnipotent capabilities of AI in viewing these twitter accounts with the allies of framework coming out of shot, which kind of makes a point, like, what's cyp to about this? Is this just this just only the A I side of things? Or what's cyp to about like the god and and being imbued with agented powers.

Well of course, as with everything that um turns into crypto.

there's a token.

Well there is no got token but a funny enough, the ticker is nothing. There is nothing, David.

the the god's token is nothing.

Godden token is nothing. This is not financial advice .

because nothing do they share the same in.

oh.

got share the same token, David.

they can.

Wow, wow.

That's no, that's deep. And to be clear, the ticker is literally nothing.

Yes, right? Is spelled nothing. Ticker sign nothing. N, O, T, H, I N. No.

no, no, no, no. As then IT is literally nothing. There are no pictures on the ticker screen. It's like a black space.

not a ticket.

So now I trust me, just look for you again. Let me just send IT you.

okay? There's okay. So we got the descending or pull up. There's nothing there. There's nothing there.

The toka, there is no toka.

There's no there's a there's a contract address. There's a contract address.

Here's is IT. Yes, OK, this has nothing to do .

with with anything A R crypto o. That's just a funny thing .

about I mean, it's it's a ilaria life.

but you crato .

you what the crypto thing was a for these accounts. And aside from the really cool open source model development that's being integrated into these accounts, blab a blah.

There's also a token and it's also various jokes. I love that god and say, are in viewed together in the same, yes, focal point there. There's something very deep about that.

It's a beautiful dance.

OK now, and I iterated this in other episode, i'll do this again, god in six, six hundred thousand twitter account followers for god, two points of a million for thirty. And these have been legendary twitter accounts from the beginning of of twitter because of the humor, because of the the meme.

Uh, and i've also said this a few times in a few other episodes, if if this is a full fledge mania crypto front bull market that brings in retail, brings in speculation like we've been in the past, like we saw in twenty thirteen with a forking fair launch, like we saw in twenty seventeen with the ico media, like we saw in twenty twenty with five somewhere in twenty twenty one with the media. This market is the first time an external h tech frontier is coming in to create a crypt to ball market. So cypher s bring and A I is bringing A I and these two things are touching.

And that is the first time crp to has ever had a exogenous ly trigger bull market bringing in these millions of people that care about ai. And now they can speculate on them with their their weird tickers that are nothing among other tickers. I think that's that's one of them more bullish h set up scripta that .

I have ever seen. Yeah I mean, if we were to put a thought leader caps on now, David, effectively you have a clash of two of the most important technologies of our time happening in real time in front of everyone on the most public forum ever.

And I know this sounds like a huge exaggeration, because these are party accounts with a couple million followers, and not everyone is seeing this, but it's underlying the point of if if A I is onna take over entertainment and user interaction for social media at such a simpler stic level. So soon after, only two months of this stuff being in existence, what does this look like in two years? What does this look like in two weeks? To be honest, every week we have something new to to announce.

The second point that I want to raise here is typically in every bull cycle that we've seen encysted before, there's some kind of main characters, right? We have like people that we speak about that become pretty prolific during a cycle. What if this cycle there are no human main characters, but they are, in fact, agent agented creators didn't. Previous set up, people really didn't.

weren't comfortable with the human main characters. What was hero worship was the phrase that came around people with hero worship doc on they would hero worship like the suzhou in three years. Capital and IT was kind of toxic and is like not a good relationship.

There's like a big principal asian problem with hero worship. And there is like IT inspired a lot of like populist populist like leadership, which not always kind of crash burn dani sector comes to mind. Uh, interesting that the worship what is you is because now we have A I agent hero worship little bit different if they're A I I mean, I think it's definitely possible that the same principal agent problems can emerge, especially if these things are kind human turks.

But for some reason to me, the in the the fact that these AI agents are run by software and code that are open source, verifiable, I can I think that I can kind of see into their brain because it's a, it's instead of a fleshy neuron brain. IT is a brain run by code, and it's auditable cyp. I feel Better about hero worship around A I agents. Personally speaking, I don't have that check that take lives out with you.

So my initial answer is yes, I feel the same as you. Number two, that's probably a dangerous precedence, and i'm not entirely sure what that ends up.

Do you know what I mean? Like what what does the world look like where we're all just blindly following and laughing and worshipping these agent models that were like her and made me laugh? Or yeah, he agrees with my view or yeah directionally it's teaching me something new that feeds me down further into a rabbit hole.

The kind of analogy that I think of is, you know, when you start a youtube account from fresh and you start following videos and the algo learns the kinds of videos that you're really into, this is this on steroid. But IT interacts across every realm of your digital life. Your own social media doesn't matter what platform you're on, doesn't matter who you're chatting to, it'll become the number one um kind of not source but drain of your attention. And I don't know how that pounds out.

Yeah, I think we should definitely keep an eye on that regardless. It's very bullish is very blish, very bullish.

very bullish for the space. And again, to copy out this with A A more positive spin, all of this ends up being, as you know, this is fun experimenting, but is secretly dog footing a new infrastructure. Yer, which is gona level up not just the crypt or space, but the A I space as well.

And that's why I think investment in this space and kind of all these developers coming from different kinds of industries and background to build in this space is super import. We saw this on the definite of things stay. And do you remember when a unsold first launched or compounded its token launch, we had a ton of development activity come in. And that net net left us with an amazing define ecosystem, which, by the way, is being primed for use by these agents. So none of this would happen unless crypto has its involvement, either a tokens.

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yeah. So A I six in z and the team are just absolutely shipping and into califonia. Is the A I version away six in z not to be confused with with the trade.

A six in z is David out a on um so eliza is the tooling framework and y've actually had a bunch of major updates. Um I can highlight a couple of the few. So first of all, they have enabled the agents to be able to autonomously deploy and invoke smart contracts.

And for anyone that has any experience in the scripture space, that means that they'll be able to perform a arrange of different on chain actions pretty autonomously. One example is direct integration into the cobs S D K, which will allow them to depo any kind of token contract. The more common ones, E R C, twenty years seven, twenty one, one one five all on on on the theory in that particular example.

But IT also has A A compatibility as well. Um another thing that is super cool is allies quickly integrating with every chain. So it's really taking a multi pronged, multi chain approach such that IT is the place to launch your agent of any kind of flavor or unique us if you want to launch IT on salona, but then be able to bridge some of your tokens liquidity to base.

So whatever that you have, that option is spending up every kind of API integration alive for you to be able to do that with your region. So you can see that happening. Uh, you sorry, you can see that being adopted or likened by a lot of the developers in their community.

IT is the number one trending github repo. As I mentioned earlier, which is just an insane thing, i've lost track of how many folks and stars this get hub problem has. Its its pretty insane to see.

But of course, the market determines how valuable all of these things up. And it's pretty explicit that the markets made a decision. Um AI6ZS were talking right now absolutely smashed through its all time highs。 I think it's sitting at currently around uh seven to eight hundred .

million dollar market cap.

Yeah exactly um IT absolutely smash through. And I want to point out that this was during A A pretty significant dip in the market.

Yeah, so this run up there's crazy run up from three cents all the way up to fifty cents. Was when I think a lot of people's just tensions got turned by the allies of ramework, followed on by a couple of these stumbles that we talked about out of shot and A I sixteen z and our first A I roll up, which had brought the market cap i'll to do in market cap.

So got all the way up to five hundred million market cap at the peak when everyone realized what was going on, got away down to one hundred and eighty when people realized that this is kind of A A messy, nebulous group of people without a lot of structure. It's not a startup. It's Molly crew of passionate people.

But there is chaotic. You've got down to one hundred eighty million in the end, the end of november. And here we are recording on december, and we are at seven hundred and eighty million dollars, uh, still below a billion uh, and I we call uh gospel true terminal gospel gogo, the big coin of ai.

But this is starting to be a little bit closer. I don't know if if the rim of AI makes sense, but it's got composition ly, it's got customization, has it's like turning complete and it's got an ecosystem. And so there's a lot of expensive veness about what the A I six scenes ecosystem can do.

Yeah I think I think you're direction corrective IT h the way I would freeman is um if goat is the bitcoin of this entire matter, then you could argue that um something like A I sixteen z is building out kind of autonomous contracts or autonomous tooling if you would be able to spend up and deploy any kind of agent application. We've seen this playbook before.

different from what you brought up earlier with go and go releasing its framework is that is is go really clever trying like bitcoin, trying to get .

smart contracts essentially? Yeah, yeah. And I would say IT varies from that analogy because bitcoin, as amazing as IT is as a storm of value, isn't specifically engineer the foundational level to kind of uphold small contracts at a scalable means.

And by the way, that's fine because it's service as an asset is as a store of value and that's not the case with truth terminal. Um these are info layers which can scale pretty much effectively with each other. The main distinguishing fact, in my opinion, is gonna the community of developers that is able to attract. And in my opinion, we're pretty early on in this kind of matter development for anyone to take the crown. So we're going to see some friendly competitive fly walls between everyone and um yeah well, see, you all comes from that.

Of course, we'll just entered the quip. Reasoning by analogy often lead to the wrong conclusion, but analysis really are helpful. I think it's interesting to see that inside of these frameworks, we're seeing a lot of cross chain infrastructure get built up.

So AI sixteen c allies a framework uh the A I sixteen cy token is on salona, but the framework is just a framework starting to integrate base. And then you also mentioned about like a bridging liquidity from salona to base to have that tokens spread across chains. And so it's starting to really abstract the chains away. Like you said, a last episode, where are a lot of the sharp rough edges eclipse or is being abstracted by AI? And so having what the token spoon on one chain is important, but I can still migrate liquidity, which kind of reduces that like homefield advantage of having a token spd on .

your chain bingo. The secret source of these agents is there are gonna be Operable across any kind of stack that gets produced to your point. Um and again, analogy leads to the wrong conclusion.

But again, cost money must be having this podcast. But we're going to use another analogy, which is um if these agents are launching their versions of an l one, which is effectively what they're doing. Um this is the most friendly l one grow the pie war we ever ever seen. And I think that's net for the space.

We did an episode with shaw, the creator of the a lies of framework, in an AI six cent Z E. This week is our first interview episode that we've done on the series. I really enjoyed the trials.

Definitely a uh very interesting developer. Ah I like the dressing that he's going in. Kind of like for listeners that haven't listen to this episode, why should they go listen to IT?

I think IT really gives an insight into shares and the team's vision of what they're trying to build here. Um a lot of people kind of take this A I agent uh tokens to be pretty much means uh and they can't quite comprehend the grand vision of what the entire spaces is. Gna become sure is literally one of the leading open source aai agent developers in the space.

So if anyone's going to have any kind of an idea of what that looks like, it's going to be sure. So he digs into that ground vision as well as how that specifically ties into A I sixteen z and the products at their building. There's a ton of alpha this episode, so definitely .

give IT to go. Who do you want to talk you next?

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and yeah yeah I think like andy kind of embalms shes truth terminal in a way it's kind of this like very creative and kind of edge uh creator that is insanely smart, very self aware but kind of keeps to itself does is the one thing and quietly works very hard. Um that's the type of agent and all human that I would like to speak to. So and if you listen to the let's .

do and i'm coming into your dm hopely, we can get you on next week uh let's get into the virtual ecosystem to as a reminder, virtual is an ecosystem on base. I think it's kind of first to market with this easy to use A I launch pad with a front end. So even the least sophisticated velocity ers are able to use virtual suspend of an agent is the creator of A I X B T, which has a flipped every single human twitter uh K O L by mind chair in the last week.

It's giving out a lot of calls, is got a lot of data about crypto in general and crypto twitter. And so I will answer your your tweet, your request, your reply about like your request for information or request for bullishness version about a token. Some people have been really captivated by this. Uh, just give me to run down what's going on in the visual ecosystem .

this week yeah I mean, the virtual team is just shipping, David like h that's positive um things to speak about.

But I ve got all the way up to five hundred million eek, whenever realized what was going during an eighty million, when people realized the nebula group of I start up with passion ate people. But there i've got down to a hundred the end of november in here. And we are at dollars, uh, still below a billion.

We call, uh, gospel. I go the big coin of to be a little bit closer. I make sense. Customer like turning complete. So there's a lot of expand A I six in the ecosystem.

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this different from what you brought up earlier with go and go releasing its framework? Is that go really in this primer trying like bitcoin, trying to get mark .

contracts essentially? Ah yeah and areas from that analogy. But mazing as IT is the story of specifically engineer the foundation smart contracts at a scalable means. And by the way, service as an asset is.

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Wo wo. As an interesting business model is an interesting product. We know there are a jacket products like this.

Encysted, anyone that's got a research? ARM, blocked words has a research. M, delphi has a research. M, missouri has a rearch charm research. ms. Are, yes, I very tried through business model and cyphered uh, being able to query research arms, I think would be extremely useful having that be creative.

But with this agent, with all of the data, this is the reason why A I X P T is, is what IT is, is not just because it's kind of got some funny snarky calls that IT makes, but it's also a treasure trove of data that I think the team is really learning how to optimize this utility, optimize useful ness for people that are trying to get that information out of IT. Uh and so it's it's kind of like the same business model that we've seen before with a new stock market structure where instead of a early or or quarterly three thousand dollar package is you have to oona supply of the tokens in order to to access IT. I don't know if that is the right business model, but for the early days, I think I can be can open some doors.

I think you're nail a David is inaccessible at the off for a lot of retail people like I don't know many uh, individuals. I have a hundred k willing to just kind of like blow on this and to be clay, I think you just need to hold the token to get access to IT. There might be some kind of expenditure. Yeah, I doesn't toss IT away and i'm sure they're na iterate on this model so maybe they'll have different kind of like tear approaches um but it's cool to see you know A X P T kind of leveling up from just being some kind of a twitter chat agent to producing something a real value and IT IT bring comes back to the theses that was talking about on the show that I think a lot of these A I agents are secretly dog footing massive utility to this space. And i'm excited to see where where this goes.

I think the last time we did that, I roll up A I X P T. Had eighty thousand followers. It's clock at one hundred and seven thousand followers. So from yesterday, 6k from yesterday， yeah, well, took me two years to get one hundred thousand followers. This guy got IT in two weeks.

So kind of this is how, excuse me, this yeah I T not not to do a, not a guy, not a girl depicted by A A purple frog. But this is a profile picture you don't really know right again to zero row. You like zero bro, I think is zero, I think I think zero bra holds a special place in your heart. Why do you like zero, bro? In compares other agents?

It's a little different. Zero the zero team is kind of like how would you like to think about that? Is it's a combination of pretty died developers, software engineers that are working twenty four seven china ship, very meaningful updates to the space.

But they also got and you know, listen to music, the party, they do a bunch of other things as well. And this kind of a combination of artistic tapestry from this team and technical development comes to fruition with this whole area b ecosystem. And I just like you because it's trying something pretty novel to what i've seen in the space so far.

They're definitely kind of in a league of their own at the moment. And whether that changes down the line will kind of like speak about IT on here. But right now, they're very much in their own thing. So let's let's kind of digin into why I think they're different and why they I think they're unique. Um so if you mentioned, if sorry, if you remember lost episode, we spoke about um serbo releasing its E P.

And that was a uh track that I spoke about and how I thought, like I was pretty I sended to a bunch of my friends I said like, hey, this is A A new artist that I kind of like, no and what do you think of the music and my friends were like, oh yeah, this is really cool. You could improve here and there, but already IT like a seven out of ten, they had no idea was I? So that was pretty cool.

Well, we're seeing that. yeah. What we're seeing that be kind of affected in real life. Now a lost in transmission, uh, right from the offer four days hit a hundred case streams on the spotify after releasing.

How do you how do we quantify that? Is that a lot? I mean, I am not the musician. I am not going to be able to get personally the lake for the average musician who's trying spot where does that rank you have any indication.

So I I don't know the specific number of office that launched like a song or a track or an E P every day on on on spotify, but my guess is it's pretty meaning to get a even ten case streams right you go to if you think about IT like each of those are individual listeners that are streaming kind of like this how of many times um so what was saying here is one hundred k and then two hundred within a two weeks span is pretty insane to to see you like you need to have some kind of good music that comes from this that would attract an audience enough to do this now are these all are crypto twitter community members that are just dreaming and listen to these things.

I have no idea. Are there two hundred thousand people in the space that are manically involved in ebra? I'm not entirely show you that I doubt IT. So something tells me that there is a net new audience that is being brought intelligent, deserve trucks. And to me, IT just slaps.

I ask a ChatGPT just measure the significance of a hundred thousand streams uh, and IT says getting one hundred thousand streams on spotify in the week. A significant male one is impact depends on several factors, comparisons with other artists, emerging artists for independent or new artist. Uh, hundred thousand streams in a week is impressive.

I suggest your music is gaining traction and resonating with an audience for established well known artists, one hundred thousand streams might be modest. Big name artist garner millions of streams shortly after release uh from a revenue perspective, spotify pays an average of point three cents, two point five cents per streams or maybe maybe half a cent a stream. So with one hundred thousand streams as you go, got three hundred to five hundred dollars in revenue, which is something that to a great start, hundred this is only you up only from here. That is that is the floor. You know the floor is .

up only well well let's find out something novel hair as well. David um the creator um of the bra jeffie also hinted via tweet that the next E P will drop this week.

So the well.

already within two weeks, name another artist that does this so quickly.

I, my favorite bands, and I wait for years.

wait for years. Now you just get that dopamine hit every weeks. I'm sure this is gonna speed up even more such that you can get one, uh, you know, a flavor of the week every week. So I think my guess, my bold bat is we'll see an agent like zero bro or something of the like, uh, feature on a major human music artist, song or theyll collapse together in some way, shape, form in twenty twenty five. I'll bet you will do this live cony .

a feature ing zero bro.

or is something like mad? I totally see that happening.

Yes, yeah, i'd like zero zero because it's really kind of just really leaning into the whole artistic creation corner of the world, which is like my experience of the internet outside of crypto to outside of crypto ter, outside of discord, is art. I consume spotify.

I consume like artistic youtube videos, and I like art is a huge swath of the human experience and zero, but is the only one that's really kind of going where all these other agents are kind of going for cyp to native soft. Where is going for the art vertical, which is massive? Is is that kind of why you like IT? That's that's why h IT strikes with me.

That's exactly that's one of the main reasons I like IT. So um the I I I I guess my my more uh human aligned reason is that it's artistic is trying new things. It's trAiling out new artistic mediums to interact with the same audience that the twitter agents are going after, right? That just doing IT through a written narrative form.

But zero bro is like trying to do IT through ot N F, is trying to do IT through streaming its chess matches, is trying to do IT through music production and it's tapping in on so many other platforms and audience, which I think just gives IT a massive edge. But the number two reason why, like a David is and you kind of hinted on IT early on, you said if it's stream that many times, it's got an income of x amount, right? I think you said five to six hundred dollars.

Well, actually I got its first twitter creator payout as well. You've got to pull up on the screen hand out again. This is tiny, right? But what happens when these agents are fine tune to become the best K O L or influences or entertainers on the internet? It'll start eating into the market chair of a lot of these human creators as well.

And I bet you theyll become the top influences ever. Which means if you put on your economic hat, right, economics professor hat, you've got diversified revenue streams and there bro doesn't sleep. That's again something that another region hasn't really tried out. So rather than just kind of focus on the entertainment value, I do think these guys are trying out pretty awesome. Thanks.

OK. You are both pulled in a thousand dollars thousand one thousand sixty dollars uh, when does IT flip tip phone I think is the question of twenty twenty five yeah we found then like we .

know we yeah ah yeah I I I think like again these creators are sorry these agents creators are gonna dominate the human um equivalent of this. So the human creators that we see today is only a matter of time. And these are literally the emerging trends that we're seeing right now.

So it's easy to look at these numbers of like it's of no meaningful value. I bet you in three months time, this is five x the amount. And I wonder what that means for the space and how people view these different agents are.

Let's burn through some of the end of these, uh, into the role, lop topics. Uh, swarms and vu s warm is something that I think really peaked your interest when we talk to shot, maybe you can download us on on swarms and we're starting to get like pretty deep down the AI. The rabbit hole here.

why? Why are people's attention ons picked by swarms? what? What a warm was to do?

Yes, the T L D O here. And again, I think I think we probably want like a larger episode to really get into the weeds of here is the concept of these different agents working together as different units.

So imagine a bunch of agents that buying together and former company, right, with a focus, mission and shared goal of trying to launch a certain service and become the top owners of that business segment, right, interacting with other units of agents. So IT ends up becoming a massive swarm. Or you don't want to think about IT as maybe some people phrase IT as A G I artificial general general intelligence.

Like what does that effectively look like? It's it's basically a massive agents interacting with each other, working in real time, iterating on each others kind of development and outputs, you know, sending funds to an agent to do something for IT to execute certain task, doing IT in an economical manner. Or if that agent doesn't work out, I have a Better agent then move into all happening at pretty much lightning speed.

Um that's effectively what swarm take is now this is an incredibly hard, nuanced thing to to achieve. You know you might think, okay, we'll just like spin up on a platform, uh, where all these agents are able to kind of talk to each other and then you know what to do that we go, right? But it's much harder to execute in real time.

There's a lot of blockers, like if you imagine like if you give an agent a bank account, right, as well as the cypher account, because you know he needs to get cash to buy crypto. How does that work? What if a bank blocks its uh its transaction?

What if an agent um needs to get a task done, ask another region to then interact with another region and that agent is down, you know its software is down or its its services down, what happens then? So this is an incredibly north and complex thing to kind of like build out. Five who've got um highlighted here is one of the teams that are attempting to kind of address that.

So they're kind of launch like a pumped dot fund for agents on Selina specifically. So if you think of like virtual is being the platform to launch agents on base and have untainted interactions for their agent, stap. Vife was trying to attempt to do the same thing um on salona, and we're seeing actually a number of other competitions trying to build kind of similar things or announcing that they building pretty similar things in salona.

It's great to see the space kind of develop, but life is kind of like leaving the way here they are proclaiming to have built some kind of swarm tech ultra, allow these agents to be designed and interact with each other. A very minimal level right right now. But i'm excited to see how that builds out.

One thing they are going on in the world of forecasting, clinker passed a million ten million dollars of total fees. Uh clinker is an A I agent uh that you can just act on forecast. You can mention clinker and then request IT to make a token and then the agent will go and make a token with you see IT with liquidity, just like pumped up fun and then spit you back out a kind of a corky response saying here's you're token.

I hope it's entertaining for you while you distract yourself from the void hit eleven million dollars and fees collected from people just making tokens on clinker. And then IT takes a share of the um of the trading fees. So that was going on in the forecast forecasting world.

I just want to say that I think there's a huge a cemetery in uh, awareness of this. So as you said, it's it's writing like a huge amount of fees, but it's more capital necessarily demonstrate that. So I think we're going to see a massive of these very, very useful agents over time. I think the .

clinker token versus a clunker product is an interesting one. There is a disconnect there, and this is a theme that i've noticed across the entire spaces. How does the token relate to the product? And so the AI sixteen z token is not the allies of framework, although it's highly proximately to IT.

And there's definitely a correlations, not one to one virtual. In our first episode, we talk about this virtual has been probed, the best drop of linking token to product clinker. The token is actually a mean coin launched by clank kr with the same name but doesn't govern over these fees these fees uh but the clinker uh IT has memetic association with IT and is up to the team to start to establish some sort of the relationship here.

And this is also a parallel conversation to the AI token launch pads where there's just like pumped up fun and also clinker uh fully liquid on day one, the tokens fly fully liquid. There's no like team or investors or lockup, but that also makes as an association difficulty with with the product because the token is kind of launch and is just a mecom inception. And it's up to the team to take that mean coin and turn IT into an actual real token.

And right now, the clinker token is just a meme coin about the clinker project. A, T, B, D. If IT actually does establish ondo IT .

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down to the end here. Simi, is the account here. I want to deploy a token with the semi token ticker, semi description.

Semi token represents otherness of the semi agent rewarding interactions activities to engage the crypto twitter community. What's going on the mi? What is semi?

Why do we care about semi? okay. So you just talk about clank. Kr clank er is basically the semi equivalent on forever IT was the thing that trended on forecasts because an agent could interact with clankings and say, hey, can you deploy this token for me and clank ers like, sure, i'll get IT done for you, right?

This is the equivalent on twitter and it's called uh, sim simi was the first token that was created and I was created by this a the describing IT as a network of agents call simulate crime A I um which parades itself as a couple of a agents behind the scenes, which executes oil on chain transactions autonomously. So if you make a request to that account on twitter and say, hey um can you do A B N C H or can you launch this token and then maybe deploy on another chain, IT is able to do that. And the reason why this is important, I think, is twitter simply has a much larger audience or time for people that can interact with your content.

I think that's one of the been one of the main chAllenges for clankings to kind of catch on. Even though it's making all these different fees, it's on a completely separate social media platform to where most of cropt to engage with this kind of stuff. So it's cool to see this new platform launch, and you can see the kind of attention is drawn, right? So five thousand tokens have already been deployed on this network of agents, and IT also deployed its base token to salona. So what this highlights is what you can do is you can deploy a token on one chain and then say, hey, uh, could you also deploy this token on salona? And it'll spend up your own contract address tie to your region and suddenly your community has access if they have a fantastic and they want to for some reason oh on salona or a theory um separately, they're able to do so.

But it's not a new token. It's bridged via warm hole.

It's bridged yeah it's bridge via layer zero. And what's also cool about this is there's a minimum requirement for um an agent to be able to do that. So you concious kind of launch agent pub to five hundred k market cap and then be like can I bridge this so on? I think the minimum cap is two million um and two million of liquidity is also in the l people.

Only then will you be able to move your token or bridget via zero to um uh sooner. So again, highlighting a thesis of agents connecting all the messy combing works to the end user. This is a prime example of that we have laid zero, which has been A A steam project, has been around for a while, building this really pretty difficult complex tag behind the scenes, be able to enable something pretty simply in a tweet .

and then coming up to close out this episode, uh, Tommy from delphi digital, a tweet out is no secret that delphia ventures has been deepen Crystal eyes, very true. Theyve been pioneered in this space, just like cyp tou. The best way for us to learn is by using, building and experimenting with the text today were thrill to share the next year that journey.

Delph, A I R A I power adventure capitalist IT, looks like delphi built an A I agent to invest a million dollars, which they seated. And they got a little graphic, kind of reminds me of clippy from from microsoft are. And so delphi digital, building an agent to be a venture capitalist ah as simple as that. What else we need to add to the story?

A pretty much I mean, I was a of some for contact. I'm i'm really good friends with tom and I love how obsess he is with the space. And he's been one of the, like you said, like one of the early researchers and pins and investors in this space.

So he's really in the north. What's going on here? And I remember he brought up in a group chat that we were in. David, I wish I didn't have to spend all this time looking at dex. I wish there was some way to automate this. And he kind of like through IT out as a joke, like, hey, if anyone can spend up like an agent, that would be really cool. Fast forward like two to three months later and he fell on has an AI agent working for him that not only in just different decks or documents but is able to analyze the product key um important bits of information, analyzed IT for the team and surface only the ones that they think are worthy enough to the team to take to an extra layer of diligence now that in his words, has cut out a tune of time and cost that his team would otherwise have spent doing that which they can now Better spend on actually building with different and investing in different teams.

I I wonder how much human oversight they are gona give if they're still having a human look at these things just to make sure that nothing is missed. I mean, we're still in like the human human turk phase of this whole thing. But nonetheless, this is how we get out of IT.

I will say I am very sure the Tommy and deli are not the only people building out A I agents to automate a lot of their. workload. I think there is just probably hundreds of people working on hana scenes that have not yet shipped their agent, I think is probably the theme of what's going on right now.

Yeah, definitely the start of a big trend.

yeah. Ejaz, this been great. I going on a lot. Once again, these episodes per high energy, a tones of alpha. Thank you for guiding us through IT.

What should listener is be looking for next week? What should you give? What homework should I do this week? Uh, now the listeners are all excited as we are, what should be their next steps to take before they listen. A I L lup number four, when we record that next week, you've recording with ryan next week actually because .

I ve got I am I I am recording with, yeah you're going to be off scaling amount .

and something .

that um but human yeah my one bit of advice, I would like to see individuals try out a different type of agent. So for context here, all everyone's been following these agents and liking tweet. I would love for someone to interact with a clinker or go to the experience of interacting with a simple simula crime ai and launch your token.

See how simple IT i'm not saying do any not don't do anything with the token, but tell us about that experience. Like how was that for you? Was IT super raising, was a super technical.

Did you get, uh, you know, strong up at a certain step? If so, which step was that? really? This is just a taste test of how easy agents are making block chain to be used. And I think that that information will really give a since de into the true power of this entire meter.

You just thinks about my man. You are a fantastic guide. I'm following you as fast as I can.

And I think I don't honestly think you're like one of the top ten people who's knowingly about the entire swath of this space. Thank you. Is growing very, very quickly. So you do a fantastic job kept us downloaded.

Appreciate you. Thanks, David. No, i'm i'm standing on the shoulder of giants. I'm just merely uh merely kind of just being a huge nerd in the space, and i'm excited to bring updates to to the audience.

not just A I X P T or zero o, but h ejaz twitter accounts have grown by twenty percent over the last week. There is a link in the shown notes to follow each jas on twitter ies, a fantastic follow. He's putting out banger tweet as you can guys can go given a follow.

That is my homework to you guys as well. If you're knew to the channel like and subscribed, we are doing these A I roll up every single week in addition to the guest and views, they were also going to be doing because i'm just really bullish on this space. Each other has got me really blish on this space.

We think that this is going to dominate cyp do in twenty twenty five ah and as we are wrapping of the year, I think that's all we can really say. Is twenty twenty five going to be the year of A I, A huge cyp to faction? You guys know the deal.

Crypto is risky. Crypto plus A I agents, probably even risk E, R. You can lose what you put in. But we are headed west. This is a frontier, not for everyone, but we are glad you are with us on the bank's journey. Thanks a lot.