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#234 Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

2025/6/24
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Indra Nooyi: 我认为理解业务的细节至关重要,否则高层决策可能无法实施。我在BCG的经历让我快速成长,我学会了先深入了解细节,然后再进行宏观思考,这样才能发现战略方向是否需要调整。作为CFO,我逐渐认识到,利润不仅仅来自数百万美元的大额交易,也来自在每个环节节省微小的成本。我通过各种非传统的方式来学习,比如从美国政府获取卫星照片来了解竞争对手的工厂规模。作为领导者,我一直在学习如何清晰地传达信息,确保人们真正理解。我会密切关注并培养大约300到400名有潜力成为公司未来领导者的员工,并寻找那些能挑战我的想法,并把公司利益放在首位的人。我分享了百事可乐如何通过记分卡来衡量生产力,监控跨度和层级,以对抗官僚主义。我分享了一个故事,当我被提升为百事可乐总裁时,我的母亲提醒我,在回家后,我仍然是妻子、母亲和女儿。 Shane Parish: 我认为Indra Nooyi的独特之处在于她如何驾驭相互冲突的世界。她分享了她几乎辞职的故事,以及她母亲让她把皇冠留在车库的故事。

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On her first day as CEO of PepsiCo, Indra Nooyi fired her general counsel. Then rehired him before dinner. It wasn’t a stunt. It was a signal. 

She ran a $200 billion empire the same way she ran her life: with surgical precision, uncompromising standards, and an allergy to corporate theater. But here's what separates this conversation from every other CEO interview: she tells you what her massive ambition cost her and her family. What it means to carry the hopes of millions who look like you. What happens when a strategy you bet your career on starts to crumble. She reveals her private system for tracking 400 rising stars inside of a corporate giant and the advice Steve Jobs gave her that changed everything. 

If you’ve ever felt the pull between ambition and identity, this one’s for you. Indra doesn’t just talk about power. She shows what it costs. 

Approximate timestamps: Subject to variation due to dynamically inserted ads: (03:53)Growing Up In India (11:07) Lessons From Working In Consulting (21:36) Being Direct As A Leader / Delivering A Message That Gets Heard (24:14) Developing Talent (26:42)How To Minimize Office Politics (32:56)Prioritizing Work / Finding Balance (37:30)Turnover After A CEO Change (42:10) CEO Vs Board Member (46:22)Implementable Change In A Company (48:17) Removing Friction Instead Of Using Force (48:34)How To Be A Good Board Member (49:47)Lessons From Amazon (51:36) Leading Through Crisis (55:18) Dealing With Activist Investors (59:13) Women As CEOS / Biases In The Workplace (01:00:42) Equality of Opportunity / How To Hire The Best (01:03:50)Bias In Performance Reviews (01:05:27)Almost Quitting PepsiCo (01:07:05)What I Learned From Steve Jobs (01:11:51)Lessons From Costco And Walmart (01:20:00)Secrets to PepsiCo Merchandising (01:21:01)Outsourcing Bottlers At PepsiCo Then Reversing The Decision (01:22:16)Making Decisions At A Multi-Billion Dollar Company (01:23:56)Lessons From Acquisitions (01:27:09) Traits Of A High Performing Employee (01:29:01) Remote Work Vs In Office

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