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TIP728: Mastermind Q2, 2025: Microsoft, Block, Devon Energy, Adyen

2025/6/8
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Hari Ramachandra
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Stig Brodersen
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Tobias Carlisle
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@Hari Ramachandra : 我认为Adyen是一家稳健的公司,债务少,现金多,回报高,而Block则利用杠杆实现增长,但有足够的流动性应对波动。Adyen类似于可口可乐,增长稳定,但价格较高,而Block类似于巴菲特投资美国运通或Netflix,风险较高,但上升空间巨大。 @Tobias Carlisle : 我认为Adyen的估值仍然很高,需要很多因素都朝着正确的方向发展才能获得回报。Adyen面临的竞争格局如何?考虑到其高估值,它能否在竞争中胜出? @Stig Brodersen : 我认为我很难评估这类公司,重要的是要了解其竞争格局和竞争优势。我不太擅长评估竞争优势,所以我关注公司的行为,并将其与Visa和Mastercard等公司进行比较。当存在寡头垄断竞争时,我试图了解这些公司在股东角度上的理性程度。

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Hari Ramachandra presents his analysis of Adyen and Block, contrasting their B2B and B2C approaches, growth trajectories, competitive advantages, and valuation challenges. He highlights the high switching costs for Adyen and the optionality embedded in Block's diversified business model.
  • Adyen's high margins and consistent growth, driven by existing clients; Block's higher revenue but greater volatility and uncertainty; Global payment systems' potential disruption by open protocols; Risk assessment of Adyen's high valuation and Block's ventures

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In today's episode, Stig Brodersen is talking stocks with Tobias Carlisle and Hari Ramachandra. Stig’s pick is Microsoft, the world’s biggest market cap company for good reason. Tobias is pitching Devon Energy, an oil and gas producer with a big upside if you’re right about the timing. Hari’s stocks of choice are Adyen and Block, two fast-growing companies with stronger moats that meet the eye.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

01:51 - Why Hari is bullish on Block and Adyen (Ticker on NYSE: XYZ and on Euronext: ADYEN).

12:48 - The bear case for Block and Adyen, including valuation and disruption.

24:22 - Stig’s bull case is for Microsoft (Ticker on NASDAQ: MSFT).

44:55 - The bear case for Microsoft, including the rich valuation.

56:56 - Why Toby is bullish on Devon Energy (Ticker on NYSE: DVN).

01:05:31 - The bear case of Devon Energy, including the debt level and share issuance.

01:27:06 - What the TIP Mastermind Community is and how we’re forming meaningful relationships.

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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