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I just really listen to this entire episode. It's remarkable not only like the filmmaking genius that silver is, but the way that he built business and the way he thought about building the business around his life's work. And the reason I went back and relist to this, and the reason originally did this episode almost three years ago, the reason i'm republishing IT. Now, in case you miss at the first time, or even if you listen to the first time, I highly encourage you to sten to you.

You be surprised how much you forget, but because I was working on the turtles o episode last week and he kept talking about multiple times in in turtles OS book, he's talking about the fact that he thought that spills bergs of natural born filmmaker genius, that he's made some greatest movies, said in in film history, talented, who would talk about silver, the gift of taking idea, they head his mind and then making IT real. And the other reason that I wanted to go back and city spoke because, because in this episode, I talk about one of my favorite graphs at all time, which I covered, or seven years ago, on about five, and he was George lucas, a life by branch Angel. I have spent the whole week.

I'm still the processes of rereading and really diving deep into George lucas life and work again. And so while i'm working on that, I think silber g is a perfect bridge from teti ote to lucas because if you study silbert, lucas is gna play role in his life and study super plays a role in his life. And what is fascinating when you study all three, they have an idea that they have in common, right in this, the fact that they talk, abode, talk he would watch, and we watch movies he loved.

And then decades later, entire scenes from those movies would appear in spielberg's own movies. That is the exact same thing as Edwin and ideas showing up in Steve jobs companies and products. It's the same thing as sam volta's ideas showing up in jeff BIOS companies and products.

And a main theme the reappears for anyway, is to adapt the profession. Anybody who becomes great at what they do is they are seeped in the industry, the history of their industry, they talk about over and over again. They don't just read a book one time, they don't just watch a movie one time.

They just have one conversation. They do IT over and over and over again. That is why, if you have not done so already, I going to highly recommend that you subscribe to founders notes. It's founders notes stock com.

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I appreciate the sport and I hope you enjoy this episode on Stephen spoiler er one of his boyhood friends were called peeper saying he could envision himself going to the academy awards and accepting an Oscar and thinking the academy he was twelve. I've been really serious about filmmaking as a career since I was two years old. Speech g.

Said, I don't excuse those early years as a hobby. Do you know what i'm saying? I really did start then. That was an extra from the book that we talked to about today, which is Stephen spielberg, a biography in a rain by josep bride.

And that is one of the reasons I wanted to read by grave of spiller g, because I think it's so there's a few reasons, but one of moves, the fact that from twelve, from the new, from the age of twelve to seventy four, which is hold yesterday, he's had the same goal. He's been making movies for sixty two years. It's very rare for somebody to do something for that long for sixty two years.

So I think that somebody that we should have obviously be study learning from another reason that that he came to extensions because he appears in on my favorite book set of ever read for the podcast that's back on founders number thirty five. And that's the biography of George lucas is called George luis a life. And George and Steve and met when they're in early twice, and they became best friends and collaborators through the entire career and actually just relist n to that episode.

And then I reread, I want to make sure i'm rereading my highlights from that book. From that gets look book every year because I think what he did, his approach to filmmaking, they made him a multibillion aire. Um there's a lot of ideas that he used.

He just in his work that we can use an art or he just approach the industries like, well, why is he just kept asking why? Like why is made this way? Why are they finance this way? Why are they own this way? Why they distribute this way? And he constantly questioned every aspect and realized, hey, I could come up with a Better way to do things in my favorite sentence in the entire book, and that's another dragon tic book at five hundred pages, is George lucon ap.

Unapologetically invested in what he believed in most himself, and will see today that even spiller did the exact same thing. So for today's pocket, I took a really, really long time. This is a dragani book at almost five hundred pages.

The author n interviewed three hundred and over three and twenty five people. The new Stephen siller g. IT goes into amazing detail of all the movies he made up until the end of the book. The book ends. He had just finish shiner's list in jurassic park. He's just over fifty years old and in addition to reading the book I also watched and took notes on this documentation is on H V X right now which is by by gravier Steven spielberg as well as two and half hours long.

So between the book um and watching the documentation and taking notes, I took me about thirty hours of prep work before i'm sitting down to talk to you about IT somebody working off my notes on the book and the notes from the documentary as well before different of the book. I want to try tie something that's remarkable that maybe you knew this IT blew my mind when I found found this out because I tell how Stephen saber reminds me of cocoa now. So a few weeks, three months ago, read the second oepa of code red and SHE became SHE, start off as an orphant and wind up before he died.

He was the region woman in the world. And part of the way SHE SHE got that way was because SHE signed one of the most lucrative deals in history. Um SHE previously made a mistake when he started her perfume company.

SHE went up giving away ninety percent. IT didn't realize that the number five was going to be one of the most successfully recipe commercial products ever made. And so like twenty by fifteen years later, he wants up redoing the deal and SHE gets two percent of all sales globally, uh, for sure.

On number five, that made her the in today's dollars. That means he made three hundred million dollars a year. And he had a cause in that deal where the company had a paper, every single one of her living expenses. So spill berg has a very similar deal. I just found out going to be reading a bar of Michael Jordan soon as well that he has a deal like this.

He gets mico during its five percent of all sales from from his Jordan uh sugar and he's estimated to make about one hundred and fifty million dollars a year in present day because you're doing around three billion dollars sale. So spill berg wind up and this deals done after the book ends but he wants of signing a teal where he gets two percent of all the ticket revenue at universal studios, the theme parks. And so that's rumor to pay him out.

Again, this is just from this one deal to rumor to pay him about fifty to seventy five million dollars a year. They keep trying universe to keep trying to buy him out. There's say, hey, i'll give you a couple billion just to buy others contract and he keeps saying no.

And one of the reasons I think that he keeps saying knows because in that contract, it's not only the universal team part that's in orlando, but it's any future theme part they built. And I think they're making a new one in china and somewhere else can camera the other h destination or the other place rather. But he's going to get two percent of all tickets ells on that in the last time I look.

IT was something like ten, ten, a twelve million people year buy tickets to just their universal team park in orlando. A and for some reason, when I was reading about that, an idea, a quote from the founders shop fight till I, luke popped into my mind, says, you have to remember that the world is non lennar silver, you know, had this passion for movie is to start when he was trouble. Result, he had no idea what opportunities in pursuing a passion of the multiple decades could unlock in the future.

Certainly coulda predicted that, hey, I can get two percent of all, two percent of all tickets at universal, universal studios. You know, multiple decades in the futures. So let's go to write.

When he's sixteen years old, he just made this movie is called fire light. Want to reinforce this movie when he becomes a professional filmmaker. Uh, that's the movie.

Uh, the remake of this movie is closing counters, that kind. But we see his personalities, sixteen years old, and a lot of this sticks with him for his whole life still. And he was got him and by Steve spill back.

At this point in his career, Steve s. Wilberg had been shooting film obsessively for more than seven years. With a mono, mono dedication. They made him virtually a oblivious to school, work, dating, sports and other Normal adolescent pursuit.

So this idea of mono al dedications something going to pear over over another book, IT, appears over over again in the documentation as well. He repeats over over again. And he said, I had one focus.

I was obsessed with movies. I knew right away that this is what I was going to do for the rest of my life. He says that are out.

They are quoting him when he was a, he's reflecting back in this time as being yg. Young man, Young filmmaker. I was more or less a boy with a passion for a hobby.

They grew out of control, and somewhat, they grew out of control, and someone consume me. I discovered something I could do and people would be interested in IT. And me, I knew that after my third or fourth little film, that this was going to be a career, not just a hobby.

And that's another thing that just make spiller extremely interestingly, how many people realize from such a Young age, two people going to mind that that were similar speak, I knew about time a my life invar cambria, which is the founder, by cover him back. And I think the founders, he here, fourteen years old, worked on a til he died when he in his eighties. And then kobe, brand new from time he was a teenager, like, okay, I want to be my goal to be the greatest, best bal playable time.

So think is rare for anybody to find what they really want to do in life, but they even more rare that, you know, from such A N K. Just, just remarkable sense, a little more about the family life and the fact that is he was really uncontrolled able. He was a born director, and we going to see this.

So his mom is talking. He said, our house was run like a studio. We really worked hard for him.

Your life was not worth a dime if you didn't, because he nag you like crazy. Steven had this way of directing everything. Member, he's sixteen years all the time, not just as movie is life.

He directed our household. He was a terrible student in school, but I never thought what was going to become of him. Ah his mom was so tolerant of her son's lack of interest in school that he often let him stay home, fAiling illness.

So we get edit his movies. So there's a lot about like the uncertain ty of his his early family life that pops up in his movies. Talk about at lincoln documentary, it's covered over and over again in the book as well.

His mom, he didn't really consider mom his a mom. SHE was more like a friend SHE. They basically had no rules.

SHE was not interested in growing up. His parents want to getting divorce. And again, into the bizarre story, just crazy story, what his mom does.

But then you have so on one, and you have his mom was kind like a friend, right? And his dad is this really gifted engineer that is highly recruit by the major technology companies of his day. So they move around from the east coast to phoenix to then he wants to a silicon on valley.

And his dad was a worker lic. So Stephen wind up emulating is dead. But in Steven's movies, a lot of them has to do with, like an absence tea. Dad, so they went up reconciling later on in life. But Stephen had a really hard time with that.

And Stevens dad also took a about approach in my in your approach, we kind of to try to direct what his son was going to do with his life, force him into, hey, study mass and city engineering and engineering like me and Steven did. He just wasn't interested in that. He wasn't an interested in school. He knew i'm gonna be a director, not only not just i'm going to work in the film industry, i'm going to be a director. So he starts talking with dad about wanting to be a director in his dads tries to, uh, was the way to to put that he he tries to make him think smaller so do you see what I mean right here?

He says, um he said, I want to be a director and I said, well, if you want to be a director, you you got to start at the bottom you've got to be a gofer and work your way up and he said, no, that the first picture I do i'm good going to be a director and he was that blew my mind that takes a good and here's another quote from a Young Steven. Steven, making movies grows on you. You can't shake IT.

I like directing movies above all. All I know for sure is i've gone too far to back out now. So this idea, there's no turning back.

This obviously conflicts with a lot of conventional life advice. But I that IT pears over origin, these biography, these people, just like, I have no plan. B, i'm all in on this idea.

This is something he talks about on the book. Quote from the dark mentally says, there are two now, you know, the book, and this book ends. He's just over fifty years old.

The document takes places in his early seventies. And he says, I realized there was no going back. This was going to be what I was going to do, or I was going to die trying.

This was going to be the rest of my life. So a few pages later, this two sentences, each on separate pages, that I think are very interesting, very quick lessons here. And one is that its obvious, possibly with one capable of independent thought.

And part of that came out of the fact that he just felt a, is that he felt different than everybody else. He felt he was understood. He was not interested in the other things I were expected of a uh of a kid, a Young person his age. And he says, I never felt comfortable myself because I was never part of the majority. I felt like an alien.

And he talks about his approach to film making, which is very common for, I think, how you make a good product, the fact that you put your place in, you put yourself in the place of the customer, like you make what you want to see and so he says spiller wants to find his approach to film making by declaring I am the audience uh the recently the senior anniversary of Steve jobs death and I was rereading uh some notes from the spoke about how they created the ipod and Steve jobs and and his team at apple said they knew that the ipod was going to be a success because they loved using IT. And silbert has a similar approaches, like I make movies that I want to see a trade that we seen his own life, that he keeps up for his entirely hit the rest of his career. The book ends with jurassic park, with them discovering, oh my god, like he wants of trying to hire.

He didn't know that C. G. I had advances so much, right? That they could actually have the the wrappers and transfers works look like they did in that movie. And so originally they were trying to physically make like these costumes.

They were onna have, whether they were machines or they had people dressed up with them, trying to run and trying to emulate what why not being reproduced by the computer in the movie. But from the very beginning, he was obsessed with with finding the latest cutting edge technology he could apply to his craft. This is something that's very important.

And really, the way to think about technology is not just computers. Is technology just a Better way to do something right? And you should invest in IT because the savings compound the money he saved, instead of having thirty or fifty different people running around.

I think about all the people that had to make the actual steal the plastic, the materials that the dinners had to be made out of, could all be replaced by software. And jasper, once of being one of the most profile movies, I think he may, like two hundred and fifty million dollars. He is very made more since then.

Know, the twenty years since then, just after that movie. It's just remarkable. And part of that was investing in technology. Vent technology saves compound. Stevens fascination with all kinds of cutting its technology and his mastery of the tools of film king have been evident from the earliest days of his professional career.

And there's an actual scene where i'm getting head myself, but there's a scene in the dark mentally where Stephen goes up to industrial light magic, which is quit or lucas special fact company and they created the C G I for the uh for I think was the transfer x running, if I remember things correctly and they just could not believe what they were seeing on the computer screen. They compared that moment right uh that was taking this industry magic to win. Sound was first introduced to movies um that the fact that they said IT open up a whole new way.

If you could imagine that you could do IT, you weren't limited to plastic or steel. Another thing from his early childhood. And I don't want to get into how breaks into the energy because there's a lot of interesting lessons in there.

When my favor quotes um that i've read all the books that have come for this podcast comes from volunteer in his book let my people go surfing and he says one of his favor says about entrepreneurship is if you want to understand entrepreneur r study the juvenile delinquent that the linux ID is saying with his actions this sucks. I'm going to do my own thing in advances like that's how I approached my work. Stephen was very much same way, but he was like a bad little deal.

Since he was a little kid, and this is his unt talking about this, like, we have a word for him in the dish, we call him a music IT said lovingly, you know, but that means a michie's little devil. And he was that okay this is a little bit of the very beginning. How did you comes the Youngest director ever signed um he's very much like a proof like a wonder kid.

So main theme in silber's work, single focus, which and enthusiasm attract the mentors and IT is extremely important, especially when he was a twenty one twenty year old kid, twenty twenty one year kid, twenty twenty two your kid, even in his only thirties, he's constantly when he's arty, successful, constantly seeking out older, wiser people that can help um and one thing that they attracted in return to him is because he's he gives the them he clearly has sown the game his enthusiasm. We are uni talk about this in the pakistan. An passion is infectious ous.

We just respond to IT. And so you see the mentors found his passionate enthusiasm for film in my ground. Okay, I want to, I want to help this kid as much as I can.

So says he cares about one thing, making films. Spiller was a genuine, you know, before I read a sense you never know of self on the page, you change an existing industry. Lucas and spelling g did. And so this is description when they come in, you know, the gold age of hollywood over.

And now in large part to lucas spelled g uh, Prices for copa Martins, for C, C brand, to pala, all of which are friends, which is one of the most amazing things about this broken about the documentation as well. Because all these Young filmmakers, they came in an existing industry and already successful, mature industry, and starts of questioning everything you at the time about reaches, like Young people were just actors. You were not put in position to make movies to be in charged at all and through their talent or induce a hard work.

I know we're going to do IT differently. You don't have a monopoly on the medium of the making. I find personally very, very infinite.

Fever is a genuine only when a Robin hollywood, the movie industry at the time, was still middle aged man's profession. The Young people on the universal, a lot were actors. One of the first context I made in hollywood was Charles chuck silver, this guy, remember, important older generation.

He's the universal pictures film librarian, and he became the released mentor Steve are released mentor in the film industry. And so his relationship with silvers, because he started as an in turn there, develops a relationship with him. He serves, helped him get signed to the other, the other on the other, most important, or has now has more with another important mentor, this guy named shiner gh.

Um i'll get there a minute but before I get the the of of the reality is also important like it's yeah your passionate yeah your enthusiastic but you also have to have a piece of work that you can point to. You need a calling card. You can just say how excited about making films.

okay? Well, have you made a film? And that's also a advice, Steve. I was watching him on youtube.

What gives Young filmmakers I want to make filming? Like you can do this with your phone now, like you have to make films. You need a piece of work that you can point to as the access calling card.

And so silber goes out and he makes a short film called Amber in which is also the later on becomes the name of his company. But the silver did managed to direct an independence film called Amber in the sum of one thousand nine hundred sixty eight, several months after his twenty first birthday. Ambling was what brought bilberry to the attention of sid chain berg, then vice president of production for universal T.

V, who offered bilberry at directing contracts. So these two mentors lay the foundation for his career, his relationship, universal thing. How crazy is, is he going to start out as an intern and eventually get two person of all the ticket revenue later on, many decades later, so that chuck silvers and sit sheer g the important characters spiller g twenty one, is believed to be the Youngest film work are ever, uh, ever contracted by a major studio.

So to go back to what his parents say about him as a Young person took because this is important, because one of the the main take ways I took from from his life, stories of fact that you don't like your life, you don't like your own, the world that you're living in, like you can create your own. And he definitely had a very unhappy like time growing up, not only the dissolution of his parents marriage, the fighting all the time, but also, like they live, they kept moving around. They they went from, like, you know, jewish community to living being the only jewish rounds, a lot of and time.

But he says, when he was growing up, I didn't know he was a genius. His own mother later admitted, Frankly, I didn't know what the hell he was. You see, Stephen wasn't exactly cuttery.

He was scary. When Stephen woke up from a nap, I shook my mother. You should say the world is gonna hear of this boy SHE continues.

No one ever said no to him. He always gets what he wants. Asked how SHE influences her son's development, he replied, I gave him freedom. Steven, inquire what he called his father's workaholic personality.

He he was like this even in, in in high school, and definitely like that for, I mean, it's funny because later on the book, because I I had his first son born, he is around forty years old. So you know, i'm gonna just not work weekends. I'm going to be home.

He does have a very short amount, but he is definitely an obsessive. Steve acquired what he called his hard worker and personality, along with such shade as his love of storytelling in his fascination with high technology that his father introduce to Stevens. Tendency to withdraw into his own world is also a legacy from his father.

I like Stephen. His father was an introvert or person. Then talk about more about his mom's influence on Stephen.

Just realizing I don't really, anna, be adult. I want to create these. I want to live in like the fancy world. The rule home was, just don't be adult who needs to be anything but ten. We never grow at home because he never grow up, Steven commented.

And so one of his favorite stories when he was Younger, as Peter pan, and so something he told him from that story, he says he was mildly impressed by Peter. Define declaration. I don't want to go to school and learn solum things.

No one is gna catch me, lady. I always wanted to be a little boy. Have fun.

Spiller admitted. I've always feel like Peter pan. I still, I still feel like Peter pan. IT has been very hard for me to grow up in that team. Continue continues without the book.

There's a quote here that describing citizen cane the movie citizen comes from uh the main character of citizen cane which is Charles Foster can which is uh which is actually built upon the real life of willing rent of hers and I think this call the willing of horse IT also applies to Steven spirit, which he says the same thing later on and the quote about willing and of horse is he was disappointed in the world so we built one of his own. It's a way to think about Stephen approach, who was work in his career. And so Stephen said, I never felt life was good enough, so I had to embrace shit.

There is also something that comes summer by surprises. How how much Steven lies constantly just making up stories. He would lie e out his age over over again, constantly wanted to make IT seem like he was Younger, uh, then he actually was.

So it's more impressive if you know he starts directing uh T V when he's twenty or twenty one, when he actually may be twenty two or twenty three. This just a tonne stories about that, uh, tony stories he made up like his origination story about how he broke a universal studios comedian and office and then went to just went to work. And nobody noticed for two years that went up being not true uh, but just this whole theme of like i'm just gonna know I don't like my life.

I'm gona create IT even if I have the line and then the truth is definitely uh, something that that appears in the live story of seven silbert. This is about also something like, I was surprised at how many of things that happened to his childhood, in his childhood, that he would reference in movies many, many decades into the future, over and over again. And so this is one of them.

I think this is actually the scene that is in his movie catching me, if you can, which he made, I think, in two thousand two. And this is something that happen to him back in his sixties. And this is the fact that this is very traumatic form.

But Steve mom marries his dada's best friend that the family considered like an uncle. They didn't tell their kids his Steven's dad, even though his mom fell in love with his best friend of mayor and left me. A Steven's dad told his kids that he was.

And so for twenty thirty years he was largely alienated from his father based on another lie. This is bazar. They talked about in the book, which I will read now.

And then his sisters are interviewing the documentary that is like, this was bananas. Like, this was our uncle bernie. And our mom runs off and marries her uncle burning.

So says, uh, bernie. Aber was an engineer who followed Arnold out from new jersey and worked as his assistant, A G A journal. Bernie was almost like a member of the silbert family. The kids called him uncle bernie. He was always there.

He did everything with them, uh, his father's mom would enter into to an enduring marriage with berny adler, uh, he said, h SHE found berny so funny, so great, so moral that I fell made in love with IT. And so this is rather embarrassing for the kids because even then, at these quotes from the neighbour's and phoenix are like, they were actually sure who who that the father was. And so there's a scene where the cayo in catching me, if you can, sitting down with his dad saying, hey, you know, let's call your mom.

Let's call mom, whatever the case is. And the dad is. No, he he ran off and married my best friend. That actually happened in spiller's life. And then in another pot is berny ones of dying many years later.

And now Stephen and his mom are Steven's dad and his mom who are like in the eighties or nineties, though they're treament, they're to be nineties or back together. Okay, so let's go. I want to move ahead a little bit because Steve Stephen n has this like in psychologic knowledge.

Of the history of films, and he's costly going back doing the same thing unit during we, go back through the history of entrepreneurship, find ideas that are useful and applying to our work. He did that in film over over years ago. I like that.

In fact, I will take that exact same shot. And so this was very similar to a David geffen when I read his his biography for the podcast. Stephen Steven's obviously future partner, he would, he was obsessed business.

He would just hang out, hang out at the movies all day are in Steven cases the movies. I think in David defense case, it's broadway show. So you feel like a quarter and you can sit, hang out there day.

So says Stevens movie. Frantically, m was nurtured at the keva theater on main street in Scott dale, arizona. Parents who drop off their kids on saturdays and leave them all day with fifty cents admission to a program that include a western and tourism movie.

Sii phi and monster y is, uh IT was a great SAT IT IT was saturday or great. We were. I was in the movies all day long.

Every saturday i've seen absolute duplicate and silver movies of singing that we used to see back in the one hundred and fifties at the key of theatre. They give example this when Harrison ford, in readers, the lost ark, rides his horse down the hill and jumps onto the truck Carrying the arc. Suber got that shot from the one thousand thirty serial.

Soro rides again, even the camera angle. Uh, one of silber's heroes, and he he is a bunch of filmmakers, said that he will look, look up to an idol cases. Amu would be for red hitchcock is d uh arnos ver took Stephen to see ala hitchcock movie PCI co.

Now, what's crazy is this idea, does he even say in the book? No, I think, okay. Let me read this to you.

And you know, he talks about this in the dark mentally. Stephen later told neighbor how impressed sed he had been with hitchhikers employment of the power of suggestion. Steve talked about the shower scene in psycho how hitchcock never showed any real violence.

He showed you the knife. And this nab most of IT was the viewer's mind. So he uses that idea, the showers in from psycho c.

Uses that that the power of suggestion with jaws in the movie, jaws, shark ins are breaking down, right? They don't expect to break down. And now you have the star of the movie can use.

And he comes of this idea, if you see the movie of the barrels, those yellow barrels that are tied to the shark. And he uses the power of suggestions that showing the movement of the barrels never barrels, rather, never actually showing the shark. And it's an idea, the health.

And when he was a Young person watching over his cock, this is another example of how important study that the film icks came before him, war for his career. The moves that impressed even the most, uh, when he was a boy, were two epic directed by David lean. The bridge on that are required in the Lawrence of arabia steel berg later called lean the greatest influence I ever had.

He emulated leans sense of visual storytelling throughout his career. He says the scope and audacity of those films filled my dreams with unlimited possible issue was crazy in the document, he says that he watches great films over and over over again. right? Just like we should be reading the books.

Are any kind of experiences that we have? Like books? The most obvious ous example here, you may read a book once, and then you read a five years later.

And psychotic book changed till I know the books the same. You change, right? He still sees Lawrence of arabia a every year.

He talks about that in the documentary. The movie came out in one thousand, nine and sixty two. Okay, so now his college, this is where he meets.

We gonna. We are going to go into more detail. But where he meets a mentor trucks servers, he gets the meeting in the tour with the university head librarian.

And this was silver's impression of silbert at that age. okay? He explained how he wrote photograph, directed zone pictures, casting them with neighborhood school friends, devising the special effects and even making the costumes.

Stephen was such a delight. He said that energy, not only that impressed me, but with Stephen, nothing was impossible. That attitude came through.

IT was so clear. He was so excited by everything when we walked onto a dubbing stage, how impressed he was at some point time. Donna y, that I was talking to somebody who had a burning ambition.

And not only that, he was going to accomplish his mission. He was very Young for his age in all other respects. But when I came to motion pictures, got, damn, I knew he was going to do something.

I didn't know what the hell he was gona do, but he was gonna do something. You can't walk away from a kid like that just at a curiosity you want to sit in watch. So this is A A quote from his, a senior high school from the school newspaper.

This is right after he met servers. As he said, steeves, whoever worked with hollywood directors to summer universal pictures, he spent spent the whole vacation working in as as an unpaid class system in the universal editorial department. The job enable spiller to room the law watching films and television shows being shot, and to hang out with film editors and other post production people learning the craft.

A professional filmmaking. He would continue hanging out on a lot all through college years, until, with silver's help, he was hired as a director. This is more on the beginning.

This, this, this beginning opportunity, universal. And the government office is amazing. He starts out as an intern. A universal now gets two percent of universal tickets.

Reminded me of member that books of gambler on k korean thing was like founder and sixty seven somewhere back there cura korean starts out as a day labor on the lot of M G M. studios. I think he's like moving around heavy rocks for production, right? He's getting two dollars and sixty cents a day.

Thirty years later, he owns M, G. M. And his return al investment makes him two hundred and sixty thousand dollars a day from two dollars and sixty cents a day, labor a day to owning M.

G. M. And making two hundred and sixty thousand hours a day. Love can happen in one lifetime. But the reason bring the step to you is because everybody does something here that you, you and i've talked about over, over again, the importance of developing your own curriculum. We call this personal curriculum.

I think a Better um term from IT term for comes from a bill girl that talk uh called how to run down a dream on youtube and he talks about what he learned by studying dady mayor but not feel night, bobbi night and a bob dean I think is the musician. But the fact that they would all the work that they are doing that's not work. So all the stuff they're trying to learn that they apply to work, he called a professional research and he goes into detail that talk how they all did and how they have to work is fast talk and any game.

Began his pretty ship at a universal in the summer of nineteen sixty four. Uh, his mentor truck servers recall that the ambitious teenager gradually worked out his own curriculum. He is specifically here.

He's working on his own curriculum a lot, visiting sets, talking with editors and sound mixers. He was kind of a guest, itself appointed observer, who made his own arrangements with the people who responded to many chapters. Later, IT picks up this theme about the, this theme about the importance of developing your own personal curriculum, your own profession research. So says spoiler remained essentially an auto diag spoiler t follow his own essential path to a professional directing career, universal studios. In effect, spiller g's film school.

He couldn't get in a film school every age, every single film school rejecting um uh giving him an education that was both more personal and more conventional than he would have received in an academic environment, spilman what amounted to his own private tutorial program at universal, immersing himself in the aspects of film making he found most crucial to his development. And so at this point where he finds other like minds, and this is again a repaint, but this just blew my mind like the day jaws comes out. So we ever driving around with Martin csc like before a marn score sec, was Martin curacy the idea that you have George lucas bran doma.

Spill march for c. Frances, for coupla. You have a group of crazy people who were all obsessed with movies, all struggling to make IT at this point right now, you have, for fifty years now, all huge, successful, but not this point.

And the whole group wants to become excessive and dominates the movie business all the all the time. Now they're giving each of the feedback, try that they're friendly, but they trying to compete with each other. They go back and forth between producing like the most financially successful movies at a time first is godfather.

Anything spill berg passes them and anything look is packet passes. Spiller g it's just absolutely remarkable um and i've ve already read biography on uh blue is and spiller G I am looking for biphenyl rest these people well but let me just tell you a bit more about this time. Hires because of fast and vanishing because again, they're doing this to an already like mature industry.

There's always room for more opportunity and just starts this question why things are done the way they are, right? So they call the movie breath this whole crew, and sometimes refer to as the U. S.

A movie and is a bunch of not just these five people, the screen writers, there's entertainment attorneys. They're all helping each other very fast. At the time they came to hollywood, generations of nepotism had made the studios terminally inbreed and unwelcoming to newcomer's. The studio system, long under siege from television, falling box office recedes and skyrocketing costs was in a state of impending collapse.

So how fascine is that from the outside the site? Why are you wasting your time making movies? What is wrong with the television in the future? This look at this still making lost money you can get in, uh, you have to go go people on the film school and the professor say, don't go home school.

You never get hired. Uh, IT is very faster. That's when they're like, okay, at the very bottom of the markets to speak, they're like, okay, well, this is where the opportunity can anywhere up. They can go anywhere else from here.

But up right? The future seemed daunting for the for the determined Young movie fanatics who came away in the sixties and for whom film historians coined phrase the movie bread silbert vividly remembers how he and such other self starters as how he described himself, lukasz, or say he had to chao, and dynamic their way into a first profession that never really looked to Young people, accept his actors. There were no willing producers at that time.

I was trying to break into the business. My first thought of the first rests were met with a great deal of animosity. But all these people, the movie bats, U.

S. A mafia, this is the strips of them, were unwilling to settle for such limited dreams. They ate, breathe and slap movies with a passion earlier generations had brought to writing or painting. And so what they needed is they need something that Frances, for a couple who was the first Young director to break through.

And then once they saw waiting in IT that I can do IT and he's a great talented they, we're thinking was in talent, was like, okay, he's not he's like a couple years old of me. I can do IT too is extremely important. Took koba.

This are breaking down the doors of hollywood for other film school graduates. And sixties he became as pilbury put in all of our godfathers. And so now we fast forward a to when superga luka start becoming friends.

They want of being pals, inspired collaborators, but they're pushing each other because of how talented they were. So spill bergen knows, like, i'm Young, Young hotshot, i'm good to wait. There's another meat, right? IT is always another.

You like you gotten know that and so um what so we realized, like he watches ilm gc to my stomach. How good guy so he says when he saw the short film, spoelberch was jealous to the very marrow of my bones. I was twenty years old and had directed fifteen short films by the time, and this little movie was Better than all of my little movie is combined.

So he says, now, you know, before he, these people like franca, after ht, kok, David, all these people, but is like, now I can have a role model and a collaborator, and somebody inspires me, this, my own agents doing the same. So I try to do as who says now, instead of having those were models, rather with someone near to my only someone I could actually get to know, compete with android inspiration from an I was a remarkable hello there, obviously very driven, uh, bigger goals, but they wouldn't have big egos with each other right then like a listen, we're competing. But i'm also being inspired from you.

And they were able to maintain like a friendship, right? And not, they had a maturity to realize he, it's, we're going to a lot, father, if we can help each other. And if we just like, H, I hate that guy, he is doing this and this not a zero.

Like people can like your movie, George, and they can make that. They can like my movies as well. Doesn't have to be just one film of fact day.

We're able to do that as such a Young ages. Very, very admirable. So here's another fantastic little story from the book and how, yes, for truck silver is what I wrote here. Oh, my note in this page, because if we ever have the opportunities, stick up for a Young counter person like we should do IT in.

This is an example of that because Stevens's dad, who is now divorce and living in uh, Stephen's, living with his dad, but basic gone all the time because he obsessed with with movies. Steven's dad realizes he spending all the time, universal, spending a lot time. This guy name chuck, i'm gna call this guy truck and tell them, hi.

My son is be focused on college, Stephen, I want to go to college. He want placating his his I think mainly dad ah he goes like long beach college, long beach universe. And the reason I say how yes, for trucks silvers is because look at the conversation that he had as is like your dad doesn't understand the opportunity and how gifted you are.

And this is not an opportunity that waits around, right, three different of school, orly, before Stephen start a college, or the phone called chuck SOS. Steven's men tour universal, who describe their conversation the only substantial one he and ardle ever had as spirit. He's going the long wage state.

I appreciate if you would do what you can to make sure he goes to school server said he couldn't do that. Look, there's something you got understand about the motion picture business. He told Steven's father for Stephen to realize his ambitions.

He's gonna need a hell of a big break. Somebody's going to have to put a lot of faith in a lot of money up so the rest of us can see if Stephen is who he appears to be. I'm his friend.

If he comes to a choice of Steven having the opportunity to direct something that he could use as a showcase, I would advise Steven to do IT school be damned. Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place in this industry, so you'd Better be ready for IT. They don't care whether you ve got a degree or not.

What their interested in is what he can pull up on the screen. And so is dads like, well, okay, that's fine. I still want go to school. His his reaction is with town like Steven Stewart. G, you don't get, you don't get that kind of go.

What the how good is a degree that wasn't Stephen? And this is such an important part of for this whole thing about this I am not trying to direct on what to do. I'm trying to be there for him.

So silver says my guy, my idea of encouragement was to be there. Basically, that's the only function I really served. somehow.

I always became a listening board every time he got a story idea, every time he shot some film, asked why he went so far out of his way to help, Stephen silvers replied simply, I like him. I admired this lump of raw material. Shes think about h.

She's pause and think about what is happening in the story, how important there. There is an alternate future where Stephen does not have the help of truck servers, somebody that is a film history, and somebody been with universal, somebody can help guide him. Somebody is a few decades older than him.

And there we don't know the name of Steven wever, because that wasn't that opportunity didn't present itself. He didn't actually stand up for this person was okay. This guy is talented. The work he's putting on to the world is important. I'm going to be there to encourage that.

That is just so, so important if we're going an opportunity do that for people and still wants to and playing that, that same role in the future for Young filmmakers and Young writers and Young producers is so, so important. And it's another idea that he got from shock, which are talked you out later. But I just want to put the thing, what is his father's do, right? He's going to school gonna drop out.

But this is just a reflection of how destined its school can be from real life. And this is something that feel night. Founder of nike and fred smith, founder fedex, dealt with two.

They both rote papers about exactly what they were going to do, the idea for nike, the idea for fedex. And I think they both got to see same thing happens to spill. This is so silly, nothing comes up.

The frustrations of spilborghs academic experience, a long bridge state Better than his record in the T. V productions course, he received a sea moving on. Reminder, shoot your shot.

Shoot your shot goes up. This is a Young kid, and he just goes up. And again, he's not like an argan kid, goes up with, ask him for help and and saying why he wants help. He often would walk up to stars and directors and producers on the studio streets and invited to lunch. Carry grant and rock hudson were among those who accept that this is the same thing that a Young Steve jobs did.

He called a bill hulia if I remember cracking, I think IT was bill and not David either on the partners calls him up as for parts says i'm a fourteen trivial kid once were getting a summer job later on when he's like 1， he he calls up all the people bob noise found of intel guy that did microsystems camera y's name the guy that did A M D camera his name at the moment sorry um all these people is just like, I don't know the company I rely admire the people that that knew so I call them all I asked if I if I could talk, I can have lunch, coffee with them yeah some people can ignore you. Some people are going to, uh, not people to do IT whatever cases but some people will say yes to shoot your shot few pages later. Look at this.

This is repeated over and over again. It's so important. Professional research, personal curricular, we've got ta develop that.

4 berg asked a million questions to the editors。 IT was a process of absolute technical application. He worked out his own curriculum. I am not making up these words.

This is the author using the sentence, the statement that uni talk over, over again multiple times in, in, in the Sparky, he worked out his own curriculum. IT was the real world. There is no school.

You can really go to learn to be a filmmaker. That's not what they teach. And then later on, we have silver talking about this.

I was, and I helped them, but my impact, I tried to open as many doors. I could give advice from an older, wiser perspective. But you can't like, who's going to teach the vince, right?

This is a very interesting, just quit her program for you. I don't want to cast myself in any way as his teacher. I wish to hell I had been.

How the hell do you teach markus had a thing? Who taught the vince? I, you can expose people to things, but they have to have IT in themselves.

As far i'm concerned, he's the most gifted person in motion pictures. And so with the fact that spoiler obviously was extremely, he calls myself self starter. He had a piece of work which a hat to repeat is very important. You have to have something point so I just I go, i'm come you know, i'm just somebody you don't even know. You can help me like they see that these kids out here hosting is out working, is actually doing this.

He's really interested in this industry that a man, right? And he's point so because he had like a calling card, he was able to get signed and then he's just so grateful because he feels truck silvers is the one that like open all the doors for her and universal is like being my manager and listen to choke is so wise and he just has one request. He's I just that i'm just doing this because I will help you but you have to pay this forward after your success is one request checks one request is Steven silver is the same thing.

It's why in the comrade said over over again, found over a, why am I people told me I want a red autobots phy and resisted the idea. He says explicit. The the argument that convinced me from his coward was that, you know, stuff that I hope future entrepreneurs and you love entrepreneurs.

And so that's why he rote, uh, the the T S. Story, because i'm going now. He passed on the good thing he did because we won't have had access as ideas.

Same walton, same thing. I'm writing this book because I wanted to help you feel night. There's some kind of instinct.

These people older, they, I think in that case, in those three examples that just keep you, I think they were on the seventies by the time they wrote. And what says he knows he's dying is super, super sick. He talks about the book to get cancer, right? But I was very important for them.

Bob noise, same thing in intel, like, but they are like, what to help? Bob, your wealthy could be doing anything in the world. Why you spend the time having, you know, one nine year old, two years old, Steve jobs at your house?

Why going to give these talks? Why you doing all these investments? He said, I need to stock to stream my fish from, is that natural human instinct? okay. I benefit greatly from this knowledge, from this industry, from this mentorship.

I'm gona go and turn around and do IT for the next generation to its amazing so so silbert then asked me if you'd be as a manager uh, silver said. I said, Steven, you keep someone who knows a hell of a lot more about the business and I do. I'm not the right person.

He asked me what I wanted for helping IT. I said, well, Stephen, by the time you really make a big, i'll probably too god them old view to do many good. In a fact, what I told him was, when you can pass IT on, when you make IT big, you could be nice to Young people.

I learned from people I had no way of thinking. I learned from people I had no way of thinking. You can pass that on still made me a promise.

And he kept IT. You look at the first at the list, the first time directors and new writers and first time producers he is made an opportunity for. He puts his money and he puts his business personality on the line.

okay. So he's already signed as a director. Again, i've repeat at his american. I'm going to repeat on more time because not let myself in this page just two notes to myself up.

Number one, have a piece of work that you can point you, right? He set up a screaming of ambuLance. IT was an incredible piece of work.

This is how he gets signed. But its my named said shine berries. Think of this is as mentor number two in Steven's life, still friends this day, which again, like this is something I was look for.

Like if if like when you meet new people, like is very important that they have they've been able to develop relationships for a long time because like you can fool, like you can fake being a good person for, you know, couple months, maybe a year, maybe even a few years, but now something known you for twenty years, like you can't fake me in a sculpt for that long, right? And Steven, something that he talks about actually wasn't gona talk about this. Nobody I might as well because I pass my mind like something that that I think is an idea that we can take from sport.

He talks like the reason is able to works so quickly now is because he's work with the same people for decades, right? His editors, his visual fex people, the people like like when he's on a new project, he wants up hiring a lot of the same people over again because he says we just have a way like all the knowledge we have working with each other. IT compounds and like that compounding makes IT easier for us to communicate and work faster.

Is like if I had to hire brand new people every few years to the project, is like I couldn't do this. This is very similar, a few, I report series on where else and he said the same thing. He's like the reason he said the core program with him, oracle for the first I forgot IT was like ten years, whatever the time here was like I didn't change IT was like the same thirty people, whatever the number.

What's right? I can. These numbers might be wrong. But the the, the the main point of telling you this is definitely remember correctly.

But the idea is like you don't want all this internal where you see these people jumping from project to project, working with constant new people. Yes, you might want to do that. I want to get some fresh and new blood there.

Like, well, just like money compounds, time compounds, knowledge compounds, too. Now you've been working together. You have a way of a fundamental understanding that have taken years to develop and that if you keep switching, like your interacting in compounding.

And so Steven applies that to not only the people he worse with, but his professional relationships open down, like known people he hires. But the people are hire him. Very fascinating.

So he has a piece of work, sid, once a point, and give me contract. He makes me do T V first. Stephen does not want to do T V, right? So the second thing is, you may not like your first opportunity, but you've GTA do your level best.

Just a scrip is terrible, silbert said later. I really didn't want to do the show. I told, said, jesus, can I do something else? He said, I take this opportunity if I real. And of course, I took IT. I, we've done anything. And so he talks about the very beginning, something also the may surprise you to this day from the from the first time he makes the movie till now, he's constantly throwing up nervous, uh, every time I start a new team of nervous talks about vomiting over again.

He's a sixty five world man when he's talking about this, right? And the same thing he that was happening to a new, Younger like we just don't and i'm glad you shares this because now as I go, this guy obviously knows everything he's got. I don't even know what for the, I don't know what the number is now, but I I think when this book and he has four of the top ten high growing moves of all time, like just outsides remarkable success, this guy clearly knows what he's doing and yet you don't see before he took returns on his in the corner of throwing, I was so frightened that even the whole period is a bit of a blank for me.

I was walking on eggs. I didn't know if you if i'd have I don't know if you've never been a bit bed for four days in a row. It's like taking drugs.

I don't take drugs I never had or I we've used every drug under and over the counter at a time. The show put me through dire straits. IT was a good discipline, but a very bad experience.

So you have he goes from the euphoria rate of being signed, Youngest directer driver, to the terror of not liking the work and being very bad at IT. He has a breakdown. Anyones have having to take really the high from being getting signed and then the fall of being responded.

Yes, to take a break. And not only that, he failed to interest universal, letting him bring to life all the stories I had my head, but no one was even offering him TV episodes to direct. I was in a despondent comatter state, and I told sid I wanted leave of absence, and I got IT.

And there's one more sentence about this point in his life because I think it's extremely important to remember success is not a straight line. He didn't just go from night gallery, didn't like to his career stalled at a number of occasions. okay.

So there's an idea that popped up in the book and in my notes multiple times for the documentary. This is idea he thinks visually um in really we think about this is like you've ttl find the perfect medium or the perfect format for your skill set and IT there's another way to put IT somebody else later on. The documentary says that that skillful g speaks cinema as his native language in Spark in the document also gets advice.

This is just like you have this idea of what you want to do and it's only in your head and he says, no one can help you holding the entire d in your head that that is your job, that something that you have to figure out how to do. And I think that this approach to to movie making, so let's go back to the book. He thinks visually he's in the perfect form for his skill set um and he says he seemed to be able to see more than other people saw.

He didn't seem to waste any time. He didn't seem to get caught up in what directors often do eating up camera time, eating up miles and miles, a film the suspect before the digital film. There is literally with a physical film there, literally true miles, a film on a movie.

He seemed to cut on the floor. We knew that this boy knew about the camera. And if he combined this, this the way he thought visually, which is perfect for obviously being a filmmaker with the fact that is just try not to be a dick, just try to be, you're gonna get further if you can avoid that.

And a lot of people would in iraq with even, okay, like he's not he's got, he says he has a nice manner. This get you a long way when a director has the attitude. I don't know everything about this, but would you like to try something, which is how Steven acts with the people go workers, you're willing to knock yourself out for that director.

And so I think this point is career where he's really gg. He was very helpful to have all these other filmmakers around on these Young film kers because he's suffering internally. But this is the note of some of positive forward motion regardless of internal suffering, which is just a really smart idea.

They're all not really getting what they like. Their talent and their drive is is currently not being like. There's no evidence of actually accomplishments like they are not getting as far as they think they they could based on the town there they have and the drive they have.

So so we are all ambitious and wanting to work, and none of us we're getting the kind of work that we wanted to do. Steven knew. Steven knew he wanted to do features, meaning movies, when Stephen was very discouraged trying to sell script and break in, he always had a positive forward motion, whatever he may have been suffering inside.

So positive forward motion regardless of external circumstances. So eventually he does get the opportunity to direct movie. It's called sugar land IT flops.

And it's very dangerous as much as like the the film and he talks, oh, an art and everything else to get you have a couple of floats and you're out of the industry work quick, right? And so he was in a very precarious position because he was being pushed in to do a shark movie. He's like, what the hell? I don't want to do the shark movie.

And the real lesson here is that he's biggest win. Jaws is by far the most important thing to ever happen to the career of steel burgin. He says, IT, right? His biggest win is going to come right after what he thought at the time.

I was his biggest failure when he received the bad news about sugar in April nine to twenty four silber. He did not have much time to sit around engaging in second guessing or nursing his wounds. He was on, uh, the massachusets reland of marth s ventured immersion preparations to make another film.

IT was a modestly budgeted thriller, LED called jaws. So we're going to get into jaws. I wanted take a slight tangent first.

I do have to tell you. I'll just take a front. Jaws is with his, with fever caused jaws, his free pass pass into his future.

And that's completely due to his its financial success. At the time IT was released, IT was the most profit movie ever made. And he was like, once I had that, I got a final cut on every single project I ever did moving on my career.

I got the chooser projects I did. I got to choose what they look like. I bought me my freedom, and again, finances by your freedom. Uh, I want to at before jaws that they're shop in this this idea of a um of a science fiction film that is going to eventually become uh closing counters of a third kind which is also successful but I want to pull something out here because I think it's important something we talked about on the autobiography simi e sid mire is the computer programmer, the game design that made civilization.

The main idea that book was so important is the fact that, like you, you discover that if you think that questioning conventional wisdom can be very profitable. Sid wanted to make a strategy game, and we said no strategic games can make any money doing that. He does anyways.

Released civilization. IT sells fifty one million copies, right? And so we see the exact same thing here. Luis and spoke g to trying to shop this, this, this project and says, in two decades and star wars and the closing counters were released, science fiction films have accounted for half of the top two in box officers.

But before George lucas and spilled revive the general, there was no real appetite at the studios for science fiction. The conventional wisdom was, science fiction films never make money, so question in conventional ism can be profitable to get to the making of job. Because he was a just console influx.

They're rewriting the script the night before. Not sure if you'll have had done before the next day if they can actually shooting anything. IT went over budget and over schedule, I think like three times like I was just take like fifty seven days.

I think he took like a hundred and fifty days something like that. But he says, and then they wind up the shark wind up like the main character once a disappearing. So just amazing, like how resourceful he had to be.

He says, I hired a man in coral god, leab, who was an old friend of mine, and he came me essentially public script, as the actor saw with me every night, often only twenty four hours for the shot and improvise to facilitate the work on the scrip. Godly, when sweet shared a house on location, and golly, would continue to work on the revisions. After study went to sleep each morning, godley would give new pages to the company typist, and by eight thirty, the morning they would be approved and ready for filming.

IT was incredibly tense, and so half way through, silver wants to quit. And this is just reminder, your mind will play tricks on you. Lucas thought star wars was gona flap, if you remember that.

Silver says, same things like this. I'm going to be out of the moving business. This movie is not going to do well.

I had two failures in a row, and i'm done. Sid had words with the work of our job. That was one of the few disagreements as Steven and I had.

I literally forced him to do IT. I think he was upset for a while, and he turned to me and said, why you making me do this b movie? He was scared.

He felt overwhelmed. He wasn't sure he was right, guy. For IT, the picture was important in vitally important. There was such huge professional stakes, nothing was ready.

I was at that stage completely out of control as and I was as IT was during most of the shooting. John IT is so many production problems that exacerbates w members began referring the movie as flaws. Stuermer later admitted, I thought I would be a turkey.

This is more about the terror, part of the foreign terror. I imagine having to shoot a shark movie without the shark. He thought he was dumped, and this one being his greatest chief ment as as well.

For weeks after shooting star started, Bruce simply refused to work. That's the naming of shark h that night, Richard driver is cleared. If any of us had any sense, we'd all bail out now.

Bilberry anxiously shot around the star, the movie. Out of desperation, he began shooting barrels instead of the shark in the movie. The barrels are fixed to a shark by the harpoon, and they cruse ocean surface as a standard for the emerge creature.

We were very scared. I didn't know when whether any of us could do IT. We thought we're making a picture called jaws, and we don't have the fucking shark today with computers.

You could just put the shark in. In those days, I was a strictly mechanical thing. The pressure on the twenty seven year old director was enormous. I thought my career as a filmmaker was over.

I heard rumors from back in hollywell that I would never work again because no one would ever take a, no one had ever taken a film a hundred days over schedule, let alone a director whose first picture had failed as a box office. There were moments of solitude sitting on the boat thinking, this can't be done. IT was stupid to begin with, will never finish.

No one is ever going to see this picture. And i'm never gna work in this town again. Think what the mind games said he had to deal with.

We're making the movie. The movies finished, the movies released. What happens? Jos surpassed Frances for couple, is the godfather to become the most successful film in motion picture history. To that date, jaws held a distinction until november seventy seven, when he was destroyed by George lucas.

Star wars silver took on an add in hollywood trade papers showing a little robot from star wars r to d to catching Bruce the shark and his jaws of fishing hook, congratulating luis for captain the bus box of his title. Spiller g grow well, well, your power, Stephen. And again, just remarkable that all these guys were friends.

So after jaws, he has a jos, a hit, uh, closing counters. Third kind is a hit is I got, I can do anything real high on its own supply. So I tried to do this comedy called one thousand forty one um and this really is the point of the reason, bring the tension because sometimes you learn more from failure.

One thousand nine hundred and forty one wants up being a failure. He has a reputation that you know yeah, jaws is successful. Close counters at the time is successful, but he's always over budget.

He's always like he's not disciplined. And so he learns from George lucas that you have to watch your cost. You have to be disciplined about this. And so again, to a lucas plays a huge influences, life. But first said, spiral used to say that he was born again after one thousand and forty one that started the big giraglia failure of mistake, uh, working as a hired hand for lucas, a conservative and highly discipline producer, super used radars at lost dark as a form of professional rehab.

So after nineteen forty one, lucis like, hey, I have this idea i'm going to be producer for this is, where is a law start that want a more successful film franchise in film history? They don't know. That time I will.

Is that what you directors for me? And so spilman, lucas and silver are now on set. It's spilled.

The director lucas scan be as a director, but he's the one of putting up the money, making sure everything runs on time. So that's where he's just learning. And from here on in, he become C.

E. O. He had a bad reputation. Lucas goes around selling, trying to sell the movie.

And like, who's going to direct? Like spoiler? Now we're out. Like how could you be out? He just did jaws and closeup at the third kind.

And I talked about, you know, to guide lying about the budget. But yeah can do for twenty million IT comes in sixty million that's going to pass people off. So says the lucila proposal was presented to studios, the proposal dare to assault or i'm bringing and bring this tear time. This is a court from OK phy is fantastic and he says some of the bravest and most reckless acts that we did were not aesthetic, but financial. Again, highly recommended.

All founders, I think, should be, George, this graph, how many people do you know that founded multiple billion dollar businesses and did IT like, he just has this, like a not aggression, but just like this diamond, i'll do IT myself attitude that you just, can you just love you? absolutely. Ve so says, did they gonna shopping this? And now they're saying, okay, this is after starters.

This is after jaws. This is, we're playing a different game here, so says the proposal, dare to sault the standard llyw ood d financial practices on several specially sensitive points. Chief among them was that while the distributed would be expected to put the movie s budget to twenty million dollars, uh, IT would receive no distribution fee and take no.

Every overhead charge to this like this hollywood accounting is a term for electron was known in the ah those items usually counter from more than fifty percent of the gross film rentals. Besides demanding large sums of money up front, lucis in spiller's also wanted enormous shares of the growth, a demand that was especially unusual for director in that era. And while the distributed would be allowed to recover their entire cost of raters from gross film rentals before lucas and snow started to receive their shares of the gross, lucas would eventually all have full ownership of the movie studios were taken a back by such hoop and so IT look is his help.

He becomes his discipline. Watch your cost director um so says that we knew we had to now the talk of shooting the movie, we knew had to compromise. There were some moments where IT would go to take two or three and take and take four, and something wasn't working.

So multiple takes, Steve would say. That said, let's move on or figure out another way to do IT. He was very, very good in our respect. Radars was the first picture he bought in on budget.

I heard Stephen said that his friends were doing smaller pictures than him, less expensive pictures than him coming in on budget, and they were able to see money on the back end. Stephen rarely had that opportunity, so he was bound and determined to bring a picture in on budget so he could see the back end. So really well, look, is tony ous like, you gotto watch, that's nice.

You you make a lot of money, box office, but you'll make a lot of more money personally if you watch your costs. And so IT takes, what do you learn from lucas and on the the rather the the, uh the inDiana Jones movies rame and applies a to E T. And check this out.

This is now we're in the euphoria part of his career. E, T prints money. So he winds up, hey, i'm doing this movie for ten million dollars. E T was so tough because Stephen had made a bet with universal that he could do this thing for ten million dollars. Completing E.

T within that budget enabled him to satisfy obligation for the and the remaining film from his thousand nine hundred seventy five contract with universal in the first weeks and he he once coming in on budget and on time right in the first week, track this out. This is going to be your mind in the first weeks after the films release on june nineteen eighty two. We're talking one thousand eighty two dollars, which is even crazy.

What i'm not tell you, silbert personally was earning as much as half a million dollars per day as his share of the profits. And so as his movies become more financially successful, he's able to demand Better, Better deals. He also is learning from this third mentor, uh, Stephen ross.

So he says, uh, Steve in of myself, if you don't make three or four billion dollars by accident referring spoiled berg silber's as good as a businessman as as a director, h. Silbert is renowned and sometimes deployed in hollywood for driving heart bargains with everyone from technicians to actors to studio chiefs. In recent years, his standard deal has been a remarkable fifty percent of the distributed growth on his pictures. And they said, you compare that with five or fifteen percent of five or fifteen percent of growth that even major stars comments.

So he's making a lot more money, right? The studios also fully finance h spurs films even though that he that he owns IT um that he owns that that the movie is owned, are shared by ambuLance his his company Stephen gets the studios to Carry the risk and he takes in the money and so he wants becoming really good friends with the head of time uh the head of is this Warner brother of time Warner. The time i'm not sure time Warner so he says um his connection came h through his close friendship with Steve ross, the chairman of the board of time Warner.

Ross was the most colorful and controversial of the film industry tors to whom steward had attached himself assuming the rules of silver g's best friend and idealized father figure, as well as business mentor, ross began educating spiller g in the finer aspects of life as a hollywood mogo. In the documentary, tom hanks talks about working with IT with spells gers, remarkable because of resource. For years you could plan something out as as beshe can.

Circumstances dictated it's not going to workout and he comes up with just he just makes the most of there and we see an example of this when he's on location filming first uh, his first move in china. So so while while preparing for the first day of shooting in shanghai, a assistant director, David d. Thlen plot ded out all the crowd movements in everything, and I planned t to keep the road clear.

So there could be traffic, so there could be traffic moving. I drew IT all out and told everyone to do what to do. Then five thousand people suddenly flooded in the road.

And I went crazy. I said, even old jesus, to talk on wrong. He said, looks great.

Roll the cameras. action. He was happy with outlook and I wasn't going to argue with to five thousand people.

He's very good like that. He's not. Whatever is there, he makes IT work as the most important sentence, entire program. Whatever there, he makes IT work. That's the assistant director talking about something they made the eighties, tom hks at the exact same thing when they are making safe a private.

Another thing that Steven talks about, this book talks about the document over over against important family, is to him the fact that he's got like a seven. He got divorce for the first time. He felt like a failure.

They got remarried to be made for a long time. He says exchange important because of the traumatic childhood he had. And he's got the scene in hook that he took to heart.

And I think it's fantastic. And if they going back and forth, this is is the character Peter and his wife and says, your children love you. They want to play with you.

How long you think that last with a few special years with our children? When they're one, they're the one who want us around so fast, Peter, it's a few years that it's over. You are not being careful and you are and you are missing IT. That is the lesson Peter learned in hook and IT is one silbert took the heart in his own life.

And I would say that is the major life regret that i've seen him a lot of these bargrave es and autobiography and when they're writing in these books is too like the fact that they overoptimistic ed for their worklife at expensive their children um they i'll tell you not to do IT it's a regret they can do anything about. The best term i've ever heard about this came from in bar camper s automotive phy, because he did that. His three boys from not mistake in his guy.

I, I miss her childhood. I was building, I care. And I, I mess up. I shall not done that.

And IT says childhood does not allow itself to be reconquered there's also line in the the hook movie uh with Peter pan that I think silbert took this idea and ran with IT as well and as the idea to make life the adventures propose to be so grainy when detailed, Peter, your adventures are over, oh no. He replies to live. To live would be an awful ly big adventure.

So when the book and he just find a shiners list and elastic park finally get his academy award, that he had been dreaming he would snob for multiple decades before. As to the most success, ful successful one on movies, and says, as he approached his city birthday, but show no signs of being crushed. Ed, enormous weight of his success, many a lesser career, has collapsed from the burden of escalating and expectations and spill berg, who still bites his fingernails and throws up before coming to a set in the morning, cannot help feeling the horrendous pressure of having to top himself, of simply having to be Stephen silbert.

But throughout his twenty eight years as a professional film, ker, he has maintained a sense of into baLance that so far has enabled him to avoid losing his nerve. He seems comfortable, even if others are not with his own complexity in contradictions. When his high school friend chuck case visited him at the long bee jair port during the filming of one thousand forty one, pillbox surveyed his army of uniform actors and world's two airplanes and said with a childlike smile, you know, they pay me to do this and that is where I leave IT for the full story.

Read the book and a highly recommend watching the document as well as fantastic ah if you want to buy the book using a if you buy the book using the links to the shona should be supporting parking is the same time that is two hundred and nine books down one thousand ago and I talk you against him okay. So what you're about to hear is this question of us a few months ago actually recorded a few months ago, they asked, how did history is going to think about hiring at all? The answers, people think I A Better memory than I then actually do.

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I want to start out first with why this is so important. There's actually this book that came out in like one thousand nine ninety seven, it's called in the company giants. I think it's about two of eight of founder. It's two state for N, B, A. Students have remember correctly and their interviewing a bunch of technology company founders and in the sea jobs, one of them.

This is you right? I think even before he came back to apple and they were talking about, well, yeah, we know it's important higher, but in a typical startup, a manager or founder may not always have time to spend recruiting other people. And I I first read this, the seas answer to this, you know, I don't know, two years ago, and I never forgot that I think it's excl ent.

I think it's sets up why, uh, this question so important. And you should really be spending existing early, basic, pacy of the earlier time doing this in a typical sort of commander me may not always have the time to spend recruiting other people then Steve Johnson, I disagree totally, I think is the most important job. Assume you're by yourself in a start up and you want a partner, you take a lot time finding a partner, right? He would be half of your company with a positive idea of looking at each new higher as a percentage of the company is genius.

Why should you take any less time finding a third or fourth of your company or a fifth of your company when your N A start up, the first ten people will determine whether the company succeeds or not. Each is ten percent of the company. So why would would you take as much time as necessary to find all a players? If three, three other ten, we're not so great, why would you start a company where thirty percent of your people or not so great, a small company depends on great people much more than a big company does.

okay. So to answer this question, the advantage that um that I have making founders and that you have a big part of listening founders is not only that I you know three hundred ds of biography of entrepreneurs, but I have all of my notes and highlights stored in my read wise APP and that means I can search for any topic, I can look at the past highlights of books. I can search for keywords so what I did is first of all, like what I sorted do with this a um questions as I read them, decide which one i'm going to do next and then think about IT for a few days.

I don't put IT that just literally that that I know that the next question, just let my brain work on IT in the background for a few days and then i'll go through in such searching all minutes. And so that's what I did here. And so there's a bunch of unite on I may have like ten or fifteen different founders talking about hiring.

The first idea is the most obvious, but I think probably works best when you're already established. So Steve jobs are talking about, hey, you know, the great wait of to higher is just find great work and find the people that did that and then try to hire them when your Steve jobs, that's a lot easier right then if you're just somebody, there's reputation. Maybe you have resources make your companies rather new or notice.

Well, no, David ogly, I just did confessions of an advertising men. Couple episodes, o three, o six or something like that, three or seven. And he did the same thing, but he's David og vy at that point. So he would find he'd go to magazines, find great advertising, great copyright, and he write a personal letter and then set up a phone call. And he says he went he was so well known and you know is one of the best in his field that he wouldn't even have to offer a job.

Just the conversation then the person would the he would want to hire the person never mention IT and the person would apply to him um and so again, I think if you can do that, then of course the straight d find for somebody is great work usually can do this. I actually have a friend that I can say who IT is. He's doing this right? Actually, every friend that's really good at doing this, he's finding people that do great stuff unit and then just called called, deeming them and then getting convinced, mental welcome things.

And that usually were successful for people like Younger people earlier in koa. There's a bunch of different ways to think about this in a bunch of different ways to prioritize. So the first thing that that that came to mind, but I found surprising, is you read any biography on rock fell.

And he had a couple ideas where he felt the optimization tables stakes that your intelligent in your driven in your heart working right? We don't like you listen to this, usually know that. But he prioritized hiring people with social skills.

And so this is what he said. The ability to deal with people is as purchaseable a commodity as sugar or coffee. And I pay for, I pay more for that ability than any other under the sun.

There's the two. The second part of this though, and this is also worth what you have access to my resources. He he rockfeller would hire people as he found, as he found out to people, not as he needed them.

It's like, okay, standard oil has six open spots. Let's go find six canada, right? He come across what he considered a counter person. He didn't even matter if he didn't know that they were going to do. He like, i'm just gonna ack his team.

And if you really think about the his partner is and oil, he essentially built a company, an executive team of s of course, because he was buying up all our company. So very rare but um there's a line from tight I want to read to taking for granted the growth of his empire. He hired county people as found, not as needed.

And then I found another idea in the hiring, like the actual interview process. So there's this kind of any for bush. I did two episodes on.

I think it's two seventy and two seventy one. He is the most important american ever, uh, in the history, uh in in terms of connecting the scientific field, private, emphasize and the government. The most important person keep a lie for the american war effort was F D.

R. The second one was any bush. Of any bush is like the force gump of this stal period. He is involved in everything from the manhunt project to discovering like a Young clock shanon, to building a mechanical computer like this guy literally has done.

He just, he pops up in these books over over again if you were reading about american business history during war, war two and post war two, you are going to come across the navin for bush over and over again. I read his fantastic auto bike phy called pieces of the action, and I came across this weird highlight. And so this is his brilliant and unusual job interview process.

And so he talked about organization he's running called ammad at ammirati, hired a Young physicist from texas named cg smith. The way I hire him is interesting. An interview of that sort is always likely to be on on an artificial basis in somewhat embarrassing.

So I discuss with him a technical point on which I was then genuinely, the next day he came in with A A need solution, and I hired him at once. Here's another idea. This is from no emotional, no lomb tional, the founder of a tari founder, chucky.

She's and Steve job mentor. He hired Steve jobs. When Steve jobs was like, nineteen at a tory. He would ask people, they are reading habits in interviews.

This is why one of the best ways his whole thing was he wanted to build all of his companies, laid on the foundation of creative people. So that's what he's looking for. You like, I need create people, one of the best ways to find creative people.

To ask a simple question, what books do you like? I ve never met a creative person in my life that didn't respond with enthusiasm to a question about reading habits. Actually, which books people read is not as important as the simple fact that they read at all.

I ve known many chAllenge engineers who hated science fiction but loved, say, books on bird watching, a blatant but often accurate generalization. People who are curious and passionate read, people who are apathetic in a different don't I remember that such a great line, and I have a cream bit. I remember one.

I'm going to read again, a blind, but often accurate generalization. People who are curious impassionate read. People who are apathetic and indifferent.

Don't I remember one particular woman who, during an interview, told me that he had red every book that I had read. So I started watching books I hadn't read, and SHE had read those two. I didn't know how someone in her late china found that this much time to read so much, but I was impressed.

I was so impressed that I hire her right there and assign her to international marketing, which is having problems. This is why, this is why i'm reading. So second to you, a job with a lot of moving parts benefits from a brain that has a lot of moving parts.

IT wouldn't be possible to have read that many books without such a brain. So you see what I mean, like we start with, see jobs saying, this is the most important thing that you, your roles, that leader, the company, the founder to do right, and you are in, is so important to study this one. Glad this this question exists and why i'm glad that i've I took the time and I had like the four side to O, K.

I should really organized my thoughts and notes, because there's no way I would have remembered all this without being being able to search my read wise, right? But you have rock fishing. This is what's important to me.

You have bushing. This is how I have now. I have known bush now saying, well, here's another weird thing that I learned um let me go through a what warm buffet is about this so this is about the quality.

One thing that is consistent, where is jobs buffer bassos? Uh, Peter tio, there's just possible from america. An they talk about the importance of trying to find people that, that are Better than you.

The hiring bar constantly has to increase. Then obviously, the larger of the company gets that impossible. Uh, Steve job has a great quote, where is like, you know, pixar was the first time I see I saw an entire team, entire company of a players.

But they had four hundred players. They had four hundred team members. He's like at the time, apple three thousand and six is impossible to have three thousand a players.

So there is some number that your company may grow to or just you're just not you're not going to have thousands of a players in my argument. I am no, you get a four hundred of issue. I mean, i'll take Steve word for IT on there.

And picks are definitely produce great products, but it's probably a lot lower matter as well. So warm buffet will tell you to use David ogle is hiring philosopher and so warn, said charlie, I know that the right players will make almost any team manager look good again. That is why it's the most important function of the founder, maybe directly next to the product right? Of all the product, actually, those of people building your product, we subscribed to the physical hy of orgasm of the founding genius, David.

This would all would be said, if each of us higher people who are small, smaller than we are, we should become a company of jars. But if each of us higher people who are bigger than we are, we shall become a company of giants. David a.

Jeff bases rather use the variation of organ's idea, too. Jeff used to say in amazon, every time we hire someone, he or SHE should raise the bar for the next higher so that the overall talent pool is always improving. They talk about this idea, amazon, where the, the, the future harder that we do should be so good that if you had applied for the job, you have an amazon, you win, get in.

That's a very interesting idea. Take your time with recruiting. Take your time with hiring. There's S A great book on the history of paypal to actually I recently become friends with the author name jy SONY um and this is in his book the the most fascinating thing that I found was that paypal priorities. So from the time they they're founded to the time they sell to ebay, it's like four years. Jimmy spent more time researching the book than he spent six years researching book.

I was teasing because like you don't took a long on a book and they took start and sell their company IT just speak select the quality he trying to do but that as a by product of that like obviously they move fast, but they prior to speed where everything else, except in one area recruiting max ledge kept the bar for talent exceeding the high, even if that came at the expensive speed staffing max cap, repeating a higher A B S, higher C S. So the first b you hire takes the whole company down. Let's read that again.

A players hire a players, b players, higher c players. So the first b player you hire takes the whole company down. Uh, additionally, the the company leaders Mandated that all prospects is another idea for you. All prospects must meet every single number of the team. Now the next one is the most bizarre makes sense if you study.

I did this three part in the realism, three part series on a real and I just to read those books again because the park is like fifty times bigger than then when I uh, publish his episodes and he's just it's crazy. So he would hire based on the coin, the self confidence level of the canada. Listen to this.

I have two mines I don't like blasting. okay? This is just okay, because this is, you read about Larry ellison and he's one of these people like a really easy interface with because you just know exactly who you think what's important.

That's why I think it's so funny. Ellison insisted that his recruiters hire only the finest and cautious new college graduates. When they were recruiting from universities, they asked people, are you the smart st.

Person, you know? And if they said yes, they would prepare them. If they said no, they would say, who is and they would go higher.

That guy said, I don't know if you ve got to smart test people that way, but you definitely got the most arrogant licence. And this is why what a personality the founder is largely the culture of the company. Apple is Steve jobs.

Apple is still gives ten lives, right? I just texting founder friend of mine ah he loses the podcast actually about to the podcast and he's going to dislike uh, processes discovery like he's already start a bunch of of companies are really sucessful but he like I think i'm more of this type of founder than the other type of founder and that's good that he's doing that because he he's hopefully next mission is like his life mission, you know and you can get realized mission as you to figure who you are. Ellison knew who he was.

Elliston swearing. Combat of style became a part of the company's identity. This argan culture had a lot to do with oracle's success. Here's another odd idea for you. Is he sharp, the founder four seasons, actually could figure out that in his business, which was hotels, right, that hiring could hiring right person could actually be a form of distribution for his hotel.

He gave me the idea because of what? What do we know? What do you? I know in our bones that history's greatest founders, all red biography, they all read by graphs of people that came before them and took ideas from them.

Is he sharp trying to build four seasons? What do you think he did? He picked up a biography of seizure ritz, the guy that risk called his, named after the we hotel year of all time.

And when he realize, oh, shit, rit, he he says, remembering that these are rit made his who's world famous by hiring some of the formal chefs, we decided do something similar. So what is he talking about? These are rit when now important with August a scoffer, what sees or rich was to to building hotels, August scofield, to french cking.

And to what happened is your partner with world famous shifts. People come into your restaurant that's in the hotel because the world famous shift, and now they know about your hotel. That leads to more get that leads to more are activating your restaurant to your own, but also leads to more brand recognition of your hotel.

And then as a byproduct that more people staying at hotel. So hiring as a form of distribution. This is fascinating.

As a fascinating idea, okay, here's a problem. You can identify great people, right? Maybe they even want to come work like you identify them.

You've sold them hey um this is what this is our mission. This is what we we're doing. And yet humans have complicated lives.

They have is they have kids. They have a reason. Maybe they can move across the country to work for you, even though they want to.

So there is a problem solving element that you seen these books on. You have to solve like you vary, identify person, you've recruit them, they can go for some other reason. okay? Well, the grounders are not going to take no for an answers.

I read in in this book called lift off, which is about the first six years of spaces. This is what elon musard they had anticipated, ted, his friend's issue, having convinced, must they need to bring this? Bringing Young engineer from turkey on board, IT became a matter of solving the problem.

His wife had a job in sanford. Cisco SHE would need one in los Angeles, right? As for space sexes at time, these are solvable problems and island's Better solving problems, and almost anyone else must therefore came into his job interview, prepared about halfway through, muss told the guy that he wants to hire.

So I heard you don't want to move to L A. And one of the reasons is that your wife force for google. Well, I just talk to Larry and you're gona transfer your wife down to L A.

So what you you going to do now to solve this problem, must could called his friend Larry page, the cofounder of google, the engineer sats stunned silence for a moma. But then he replied, given all that, he would come to work at space sex. That's really smart.

There is another idea when you're promoting or you're gona promote when with inner from without, you know, that's dependent on you depending on what what's going on. I do think this is interesting though this is gaining lesh wab, who will this this really a valuable chain of a like tire companies in pacific northwest actually found out about because charlie mongers. Okay, you should read the biography.

He said that he didn't say to me personally. He said IT to uh in like one of the bircher meetings that to study lesh rob had one of the both uh one of the smartest uh financial incentive structures of any company that try mugger come across so this is what lesh wab that he did not want to hire from. He did want to hire other people from other companies because they might come with bad habits.

He liked to train his own executives. And so he says, in our thirty four years of business, we have never hired a manager from the outside. Every single one of our more than two hundred and fifty managers and assistant managers started at the bottom changing tires.

They have all earned their management job by working up. And in another thing, if you're going to hire the best of the best in a players there, a players that link to be my manage um and so this came in Larry Miller automotive phy called driven. He owns like he owned like ninety three companies.

Although you tak cordial a ships movie, there's all kinds of crazy that he also owned the the b nut and what was fascinating, he's trying to recruit Jerry sloan as the coach at at the point, and Jerry sloan would only take the job on one condition. And I really like IT. I really like this idea.

If you hire me, let me run the team and business, right? That's what you're hiring me for. One of the best things we had ever done was higher Jerry song as coach at the time.

He said, i'm only going to ask you for one thing. If I get fired, let me get fired from my own decisions. If you hire me, let me run the team slash business. Here's another idea from Thomas Edison that I think is faster really.

I the way I think about the founders like you're developing skills that you can't hired for you, you're going to hire for everything else, but you shouldn't be herself and Edison wasn't Edison expressing his views on the preliminary role of applied scientists, which, what he considered himself, coin the expression, I can hire mathematicians. They can't hire me. And so when I read that paragraph for the first time, I note I left myself was developed skills that you can hire for capitalism rewards things that are both rare and valuable.

S A laughter will give you advice that you would need to hire people, line with your thinking and values. Hire the best people, this is vital. Hire people who think as you do and treat them well.

In our business, they are to top priority. So this that seems kind of weird, like hire people who think like you. There's obvious ly not one right way to build a business.

I think that your business should be an expression, your personal in who as a person at the core. And so I think there is an art to the building of your business. And the reason to use the word art, I don't meaning you like a holy to know pretentious manner.

That's me at all. I don't give me care about no are at all really. I mean that you're making decisions not just based on economics, like there are non economic important decisions based on how you're building your business. Like you could probably make more money doing a decision a but decision aid goes against who you are as a person. Are you just don't like IT or it's just not as elegant or beautiful and so therefore you don't do IT.

So that's what I mean about you know hire people who think if you you do and what for whatever reason when I read S A lot say that I was okay that there's like this art to what he is doing. One thing that's going to be helpful recruiting ah this compromise. Tio, I think this is the book zero to one understand that most companies don't even differentiate their pitches to potential recruits and to hiring.

So therefore, like they're just going to as A I product that you're onna wind up with a lower overall taliban. And so he says, what's wrong with valuable stocks? Smart people are problems.

nothing. But every company makes us these claims. So they won't hope you stand out general and undifferentiated pitches to join your company. Don't see anything about why a crush join your company instead of money of instead of many others that idea your pitch, you're actual he will tell you you you shouldn't building on difference in commodity business but even above and beyond, like you're the the the mission that you're trying to engage everybody to join you in that pitch that say sail you're trying to make to potential recruits should be differentiated, should not.

If that person's playing to five real jobs, there should not be like like, they may not like your mission, they may not like your peach, but there shouldn't be able to compare anything else. Another quote from no one bushel higher for passion and intensity. That's what he would do, or that's what he did when he found Steve jobs.

If there was a single characteristic to separate Steve jobs from the massive employees IT was his passionate enthusiasm. Steve had one for one speed full blast. This was the primary reason we hire him.

And one thing all these different time common is that, you know how important hiring is, and when something important, you do IT yourself. This is, again, elon musk and hiring. He interviewed the first three thousand employees at spaces that important was one of musk's most valuable skills, with the ability determined whether someone would fit his mold.

His people had to be Brant. They had to be hard working. And there could be no nonsense. There are a tony phonies out there and not money, who are the real deal must set of his approach to interviewer engineers. I can tell within fifteen minutes, and I can sure, I can for sure to, within a few days of working with them, must made hiring a party he personally met with every single person the company hired through the first three thousand employees. He required late nights and weekends, but he felt he was important to get the right people for his company.

And then the close on this, we started with Steve jobs telling us why IT was so important and why should be a large part of how you spend time and now will close with what you do after, what do you do after you harder the person this what he says, it's not just recruiting after recruiting, its building environment that makes people feel they are surrounded by equally talented people and their work is bigger than they are, the feeling that their work will have a tremendous influence and is part of a strong, clear vision. So that is the end to that twenty minute many episode. I just relist n to the holding and IT IT really does.

I think it's a perfect explanation and illustration of why I think founders notice so valuable because some of those books have read in five, six years. And just the ability to have a hertug database of all these, these ideas like this, collected knowledge of some of his greatest entrepreneurs reference and then can actually applied our own businesses. It's nothing short of like it's magic.

That's a really the way. Think about that. I think it's a massive super power, gives me a massive superpower. I couldn't make the pocket without IT. I also think if you have access to IT to make your business Better. And so if you already running a successful business, I highly recommended you invest in description, and you can do that by going to founder notes dot com.