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Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI can save the web, not destroy it

2025/5/19
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Kevin Scott: 我认为软件的未来是由强大的AI模型驱动的，这些模型需要能够代表用户执行任务。我们正在从推理约束转向实用性约束，这意味着我们需要找到让AI代理真正发挥作用的方法。为了实现这一点，我们需要建立开放协议，实现代理之间的互操作性，让拥有服务或内容的人可以声明自己的存在，并让代理连接到这些内容和服务。解决商业模式问题与解决技术问题是相辅相成的，需要让生态系统中的所有激励措施都正确对齐，才能实现对每个人都有利的结果。内容和服务提供商应该有自主权，可以决定他们提供什么以及他们所做事情的商业模式。如果越来越多的用户活动都集中在代理中，那么你肯定希望你的内容或服务在代理中可见，以便接触到受众。代理可以异步地为你做事，这创造了新的机会，因为我可以让代理进行研究，帮助我规划假期或项目，从而提高我的注意力质量。简单性是一个明确的特征，我们需要一套简单的协议来支持丰富的行为，以便代理能够真正发挥作用，执行越来越复杂的任务。我希望有一种方法可以让我不必花费那么多时间担心流量推荐，而是可以花更多时间与可能对我的产品和服务感兴趣的人建立真正的关系，并管理这种关系。如果人们希望通过他们的代理进行研究或交易，并且用户的意图和愿望都源于此，那么你需要某种机制来连接到这些代理。如果使用代理来帮助你处理生活和工作成为一种巨大的偏好，那么未连接到代理的事物对人们来说就会变得不可见。你希望市场能够弄清楚它想要什么，你希望尽可能多地拥有开放协议，以便人们可以做出后期的决定，选择加入。我认为开放对于代理网络至关重要，很难以垂直整合的方式实现。现在是技术准备好实现这些事情的时刻。我希望看到这个生态系统尽可能成熟，就像互联网出现时那样，许多困难的事情变得容易，协议是开放的，你不需要任何人的许可就可以尝试一些疯狂的事情。在一个生态系统中，每个人都可以选择采用的最简单的解决方案才是赢家，因为普遍性才是真正重要的。有些事情变得非常简单，你实际上不需要一家价值数万亿美元的公司去做大量的工作，才能为快速采用创造条件。

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This introductory chapter sets the stage by introducing Kevin Scott, Microsoft's CTO, and the episode's focus: Microsoft's new open-source tool for AI-powered natural language search on websites. It highlights the potential for this tool to revolutionize search and the web's future.
  • Kevin Scott, Microsoft's CTO, is interviewed.
  • Microsoft announces an open-source tool for AI-powered natural language search.
  • The goal is to rethink how search works with AI.

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Today, I’m talking with Kevin Scott, the chief technology officer of Microsoft, and one of the company’s AI leaders. Kevin is one of my favorite repeat *Decoder *guests, and he joined the show this time to talk about the future of search. 

Microsoft just announced an open-source tool for websites to integrate AI powered natural language search with just a little bit of effort, in a way that lets them actually run whatever models they want and keep control of their data. I saw some demos before Kevin and I chatted, and the improvements over the bad local search on most sites was obvious. So we talked about what this will mean for AI, for search engines, and for the future of the web. 

**Links: **

  • Microsoft’s plan to fix the web: letting every website run AI search for cheap | Verge)

  • Microsoft Build 2025: news and announcements from the developer conference | Verge)

  • Introducing the Model Context Protocol | Anthropic)

  • Copyright Office head fired after reporting AI training isn’t always fair use | Ars Technica)

  • Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI and art will coexist in the future | Decoder )

  • Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott thinks Sydney might make a comeback | Decoder)

  • Microsoft’s CTO explains how AI can help health care in the US right now | Vergecast)

**Transcript: **https://www.theverge.com/e/669409)

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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