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#360 — We Really Don’t Have Free Will?

2024/3/27
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Sam Harris: 本书探讨了自由意志的定义及其科学依据,并对复杂性理论和涌现性理论在自由意志问题上的应用进行了批判性分析。他认为,即使行为不可预测,也不意味着存在自由意志,因为行为仍然是由基因、环境和经历共同决定的。 Sam Harris还讨论了人们对自由意志的直觉感受,以及丹尼特等相容论者的观点,并指出这些观点往往混淆了真理和政治考量。他认为,否定自由意志并不否定自愿行为和非自愿行为之间的区别,以及大脑健康程度对行为的影响。 最后,Sam Harris总结了自由意志的科学观点,并探讨了其对道德责任和法律责任的意义。他认为,即使不存在自由意志,我们仍然需要对行为进行评价和规范,以维护社会秩序和个人福祉。 Robert Sapolsky: 自由意志的严格定义是:证明在相同行为下,即使神经元历史完全不同,结果也相同。他认为,复杂性理论和涌现性理论并不能支持自由意志的存在,因为它们依赖于不存在的向下因果关系。即使系统产生新的特性,组成部分本身并没有改变。 Sapolsky还讨论了人们对自由意志的直觉感受,以及表观遗传学对个体发展的影响。他认为,表观遗传学虽然能解释环境对基因表达的影响,但这并不意味着人们可以主动改变自己的表观遗传特征。 此外,Sapolsky还探讨了行为的可预测性问题,他认为,行为的不可预测性并不意味着存在自由意志,它只是意味着我们无法预测未来。他认为,即使行为是完全确定的,也可能由于系统的复杂性而不可预测。

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Why does Robert Sapolsky dismiss the idea that free will could be an emergent property of complexity theory?

He argues that emergent complexity relies on a type of downward causality that doesn't exist. The building blocks of emergent systems, like neurons or ants, remain simple and unchanged despite the complexity that emerges from their interactions.

What does Robert Sapolsky mean when he says there's no downward causation in emergent systems?

He means that the higher-level properties that emerge from simple components do not influence those components in a way that changes their basic nature. For example, a complex ant society doesn't make individual ants smarter; they remain simple and unchanged.

How does Robert Sapolsky explain the role of epigenetics in the context of free will?

Epigenetics provides a mechanism for how early life experiences influence who we become, but it doesn't allow for conscious choice to reverse or change those effects. It functions within the rules of simple, deterministic interactions.

Why does unpredictability in human behavior not support the concept of free will, according to Robert Sapolsky?

Unpredictability is due to the complexity and randomness in systems, not because individuals have control over their actions. Randomness, whether from quantum mechanics or other sources, introduces variability but doesn't confer responsibility or control.

What does Robert Sapolsky find most frustrating about arguments for free will?

He finds the argument based on intuition the most frustrating. People often insist that it feels like they have free will when making decisions, despite understanding the deterministic nature of their brain's activity.

How does Robert Sapolsky respond to Dan Dennett's concerns about the social and political implications of denying free will?

He finds Dennett's concerns ironic, given Dennett's usual separation of political concerns from truth claims. Sapolsky believes Dennett's arguments conflate the social implications with the philosophical and scientific claims about free will.

What analogy does Sam Harris use to criticize compatibilist views on free will?

Harris uses the analogy of Atlantis, where compatibilists argue that free will is real but redefine it to fit their deterministic view, much like saying Atlantis is real but it's actually Sicily.

How does Robert Sapolsky describe the relationship between genes and behavior in the context of free will?

He describes how genes and their regulation through epigenetics influence behavior, but this doesn't provide space for free will. The influence is deterministic and doesn't allow for conscious choice to alter genetic outcomes.

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Robert Sapolsky defines free will as the ability to act independently of one's history, which he argues is not supported by neuroscience.
  • Sapolsky's definition challenges the intuitive sense of free will.
  • He references philosophical literature on libertarian free will.

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Sam Harris speaks with Robert Sapolsky about the widespread belief in free will. They discuss the limits of intuition, the views of Dan Dennett, complexity and emergence, downward causation, abstraction, epigenetics, predictability, fatalism, Benjamin Libet, the primacy of luck, historical change in attitudes about free will, implications for ethics and criminal justice, the psychological satisfaction of punishing bad people, understanding evil, punishment and reward as tools, meritocracy, the consequences of physical beauty, the logic of reasoning, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe).

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