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Rethinking Masculinity: Strength and Connection w/ Terry and Justin Real

2025/6/23
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Being Well with Forrest Hanson and Dr. Rick Hanson
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Forrest Hansen: 我观察到男性在自杀率、教育程度和恋爱关系等方面的数据不如女性，这导致了对性别平等的强烈抵制。一些社群，如“红丸”社群，认为男性应该回归传统的父权制方式以重获主导地位。 Terry Real: 我认为男性需要处理女性革命带来的影响，但他们否认这一点并产生抵制。羞耻感不是有效的社会行动策略，许多异性恋男性感到羞愧。男性特权确实存在，父权制对所有人都有害。传统上，我们通过切断联系来把男孩变成男人，但世界不会倒退，男性应该敞开心扉，学习如何更具有关系性，而不是以牺牲力量为代价。我希望所有人都能成为完整的人，拥有性感、温柔、坚强、聪明和有能力的人。 Justin Real: 我从小就相信正常的生活方式，但我通过父亲学到了深刻的同情心和理解，这并不是每个人都能得到的。尽管我有一个反父权制的父亲，但我一生都在体育界和创业公司工作。我从小就能够坦然面对自己的情绪，这与其他人不同。我最大的天赋就是能够坦然面对自己的情绪，因为你一定会感受到它。

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The podcast opens by acknowledging the struggles faced by men today, citing statistics on suicide rates, educational attainment, and relationship status. A significant backlash against gender equality among young men is highlighted, using statistics on changing attitudes towards equal pay.
  • Men are four times more likely to commit suicide than women
  • A decline in the percentage of boys agreeing with equal pay for equal work (72% in 2018 to 57% in 2023)

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Forrest is joined by renowned therapist Terry Real and his son Justin for a frank exploration of modern masculinity. They talk about why so many men feel like they’re struggling these days, and how the traditional model of masculinity perpetuates this problem.

They discuss the appeal of red pill cultures, the cultural pushback against gender equality, and how to convince men that the answer is not more dominance but more connection. Other topics include emotional intelligence, creating fulfilling relationships, and how men can claim a healthier understanding of strength.

Key Topics:

0:00: Introduction

1:50: Terry on patriarchy and male disconnection

7:56: Justin on being raised in an emotionally aware environment

11:34: The problem of male invulnerability

14:35: What do women actually want?

18:10: Strength, relationality, and loving power

27:50: Common patterns in therapy

35:20: The performance of masculinity

49:01: Parenting, gender literacy, and fatherhood

52:10: Selling this to men, and the need for new models

59:48: Recap

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