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Equity Market Strength is Masking a Recession | Mike Green

2025/6/18
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Max Wheatley:我认为高端消费者一直相对强劲,尽管不如世界其他地方。中国相关支出有所疲软。 Mike Green:我认为美联储加息实际上是将大量收入从政府转移到了富人手中。我们开始看到高端消费开始动摇的强烈迹象,如旅游和休闲支出。收入增长缓慢,特别是就业增长不再迅速。只有通过生产力的显著提高或政府的大规模刺激,才能实现显著更高的增长。特朗普的税收法案实际上大部分刺激是特朗普税收减免的延长,而未被CBO评分的是关税增加。学生贷款偿还恢复是一种税收,关税也是一种税收,但没有迹象表明这会导致对美国的投资激增。我认为Vincent真正想解释的是为什么标准普尔指数会达到现在的水平,为什么市场最近反弹如此剧烈。市场反弹更多与我的被动投资理论有关,而不是与政府支出有关。

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Mike Green, Portfolio Manager and Chief Strategist at Simplify, joins Monetary Matters to discuss why the strength of the equity market and other technical factors are obfuscating weakness in the US consumer and broader indicators of economic weakness to the point that it could be masking a recession. Green also discusses his views on inflation, the bond market, and the current stage of the passive investing endgame that he believes is the main culprit driving equity markets higher and higher.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:46 US Consumer Mirage

08:59 The Impact of High Interest Rates

13:39 Labor Market Weakness Will Eventually Force the Fed to Cut

15:03 Current Stage of the Passive Endgame

25:25 Recession Timing

33:31 How Will Asset Values Fair in the Next Recession?

40:30 Bond Market &Inflation Views

46:38 Uber's Impact on Unemployment

52:03 Tariff Uncertainty & the Fed

54:04 Bonds, Housing, & Other Macro Trades

01:02:03 Bitcoin, Solana, & Other Closing Thoughts